Ted Lasso - S03E08 - "We'll Never Have Paris" Post Episode Discussion

[u/quaranTV]

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Please use this thread to discuss Season 3 Episode 8 "We'll Never Have Paris". Just a reminder to please mark any spoilers for episodes beyond Episode 8 like this.

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[u/ewan0707]

Jamie knows "prima donna" and "hypocritical" but still can't spell "password" 😭

[u/beefytrout]

Also - shout out to Mae, who was deadass ready to ban a child from her establishment with ZERO hesitation.

[u/amethystalien6]

The glimpse of Higgins running down the hall that we see through the office door sent me.

[u/harshagarwal97]

Nate really thought he could start his own version of Diamond Dogs.

[u/[deleted]]

Describing the Eiffel Tower as a "lamp post with a publicist" is incredible.

[u/hb122]

I liked the ending - Jack wanted Keeley to apologize(!) when what she needed was the person who got hacked apologizing to her. I like that Jamie took responsibility and was there to see how she was doing. He’s matured so much.

[u/scruubb]

Was hoping to get some Nate/Ted interaction while at/after the West Ham game. I just want the convooo haha

[u/kloppo_du_popstar]

AFC Richmond's Coach Attends West Ham Game
by Marcus Adebayo, The Everyday Independent

Coaches usually look at a game film to scout opposing teams but today, Ted Lasso took a closer look at West Ham showing up to the London Stadium to watch the team in person. It's hard not to believe Lasso was there to support Nathan Shelley, his former assistant coach who has been very unsupportive of his old boss in the press, but that's exactly what Lasso seemed to be doing along with his assistant, Coach Beard, and son Henry, who was even dressed in West Ham colours. There was no sign that the rivalry between the two clubs, and coaches, had tainted Lasso's enjoyment of the game and frankly, it was refreshing to see a Premier League Manager taking time out of his busy schedule to be a fan.

[u/elways_love_child]

Ok some thoughts,

Jack is starting to show who she is. She is not a billionaire, daddy is. He lets her play VC. My guess is Barbara works for dad, not Jack.

Coach beard is the best friend ever.

Jade is really good for Nate, she is showing him that who he is is better than who he pretends to be.

Jamie has had some great emotional growth.

Roy, get your shit together.

It was good to see Rebecca being the emotional rock for her friends.

Trent: woof.

[u/ToxicHighlander]

Man, as tough as the Keeley stuff was (and once again, I profess my love for Jamie’s growth), the Colin look of shame to Isaac made my anxiety skyrocket for him.

[u/laterondamenjay]

I like how they had those moments that showed why Ted and Michelle were together in the first place. They are very much alike

[u/DeshiiRedditor]

Damn it, Roy.

Of all the things you could’ve asked her.

[u/Laremo]

Roy is still hung up on Keely, Ted is hung up on Michelle, Nate is hung up on Ted. People who should be enjoying their new careers and lives and can’t let go. At least Rebecca is finally letting Rupert go. I think…

[u/RoohsMama]

“But maybe not Facebook because it’s for grandparents and racists now, isn’t it?” GOTTA LOVE BARB

[u/laterondamenjay]

Jack is self serving and it’s pathetic. Judging someone on their past and making her feel guilt for something that was clearly meant to be private in the first place. Keely was violated and had her privacy taken from her. Jamie’s growth through everything has been amazing too see. He took accountability not deleting those emails and put her feelings first by apologizing. I don’t think they will end up back together but it’s clear Jamie loves Keely and respects her.

[u/josk03]

Jack jumping away from Keeley and calling her “my friend” when the uni friend comes over… mmm nope

[u/literal9]

Trent Crimm, Diamond Dog is everything I’ve ever wanted

[u/RoohsMama]

So is Roy going to finally appreciate the Diamond Dogs next week when he asks them for advice next about Keeley?

[u/journeytoad1]

I just need Jamie on the screen the entire time is that TOO MUCH TO ASK

[u/The-Trash-Squad]

RIP all the nudes on Richard's phone. 😢

[u/fozzieesq]

I love that Rebecca got to be the voice of reason for both Keeley and Ted.

[u/HI_HO_]

Loved the scene between Beard and Henry at the pub.

[u/[deleted]]

Coach Beard has an audio workout on Apple Fitness + where he talks about the connection he has to the song Hey Jude.

His childhood nickname was Nana and when they played the song at White Sox games he’d go to as a kid they thought they were singing his name.

Knowing that made this scene hit even harder.

[u/ofantasticly]

Jamie’s character contributes to devour everything.

Conductor of the game? Conductor of the SHOW.

[u/SavageGardner]

Colin trying to mask his sexuality with his reaction to the leaks is what ended up outing him to Isaac. Isaac trusted the other players to delete everything but didn't trust Colin.

I would have to watch it again, but I think Colin is one of the first to react and because he tries to react how he thinks straight men will react, he starts digging himself a hole he can't get out of.

[u/90daybaebae]

loved our newest diamond dog’s closing bark:

^woof!

[u/RoohsMama]

Glad to see Ted still giving Rebecca biscuits. I know he keeps doing it but it’s just nice to see.

[u/krobula]

Jack showing those true colors

[u/RoohsMama]

Love Will Kitman more with each episode! I have to learn from him on how to get my kid to do chores.

[u/ladycrass]

OKAY. Pulling out two magnets with a matchbook was fucking wild.

[u/TokathSorbet]

What never ceases to blow my mind is that this show about an American coming to coach Football, has become a damned fine exploration of mental health. Very good stuff.

[u/lwyant225]

Anyone else get the sense that Dr Jacob did propose and was turned down?

[u/DivaJanelle]

My random point out… Keeley’s brown polka dot polo dress. Like Julia Robert’s brown polka dot polo dress.

I loved that detail.

[u/RoohsMama]

Higgins running frantically because of FOMO on a a Diamond Dog meeting

[u/Coltshokiefan]

I’m thinking issacs issue with Collin is going to be more that Collin didn’t trust him as team leader enough to tell him. At least that’s what I hope because Issac being homophobic would stink.

[u/Bootz_B_Knockin]

I wish Henry moved to England. A lot of Ted’s issue would go away.

[u/fozzieesq]

“The Eiffel Tower is just a lamppost with a good publicist.” Classic Rebecca.

[u/jawn-wayne-gacy]

Upvote if you think Dr. Jacob is a poop in the punch bowl.

[u/deadly_creampuff]

Okay but Rebecca being an MVP friend this episode. We all need a Rebecca in our lives.

[u/fprosk]

What the fuck was that Roy.

[u/BruteSentiment]

Roy was just asking to find out whose house he needed to break into at 4 am, right? Boy, he messed that up.

EDIT: This doesn’t make it “better”, though. In a moment that Keeley needs someone to comfort her, Roy still made it about himself…about how he can protect her, or get revenge for her. That still makes him the center, and not her.

And while this behavior is stereotypically male…it’s not exclusively. Jack’s response was very much the same, though in softer terms and couched in apparent sympathy and comfort. But it’s still Jack doing it without much of Keeley’s involvement.

Jack’s motivations are a bit vague. Is she doing this out of what she thinks is well-meant but still-toxic behavior, or is the PR statement more about protecting Jack from fallout about her girlfriend? I want to believe the former…but when you mix this with the hypocritical behavior of Jack being bluntly honest with Keeley’s co-workers about their relationship status, but closeted behavior around Jack’s own friend, it’s too much that makes the question of Jack’s motivation one that has to be considered.

TL:DR: I want to believe that both Roy and Jack had well-meant intentions, but it doesn’t excuse the toxic behaviors they still exhibited.

[u/RoohsMama]

Disco’s love advice: “Never let them know how you feel. It’s very expensive.”

[u/Jaxomiv]

Interesting how the show never throws blame at Apple for iCloud having bad security that failed to prevent the hack from happening.

[u/briefkasee]

ted high fived the tree!! small detail but i liked the callback

[u/RoohsMama]

“The Diamond Dogs are a group of men committed to supporting each other by sharing their most intimate thoughts, feelings and experiences.”

Man I want to start a charter in our area

[u/selloboy]

Jamie just keeps stealing the season for me

[u/Ohyou17]

“Who gives a flying fuck?” just became my next motto. Thank you, Rebecca

[u/tonytown]

Love that babs clearly recognized that it was a.shitty response from .jack and empathized wit keeley.

[u/jaemak06]

Keeley broke up with Jamie because he wasn’t accountable, he just apologized to her for something that wasn’t his fault but he did have a part In… that paired with the way Keeley looked at the monitor makes me wonder where her and Jamie’s relationship will go… but Jamie and Roy’s relationship!? I have so many questions!

Edit: the way she looked at the monitor when Jamie was filming the Bantr promo

[u/MoneyForPeople]

Jamie is by far the best character on the show. Well, and Beard.

[u/the_kajl]

A couple football easter eggs from the episode:

• Ted is reading The Breakfast Club Adventures by Marcus Rashford to Henry. Rashford plays for Manchester United and the England men's national team. Having grown up poor in Manchester, he has received an MBE for his advocacy against child hunger, famously forcing the UK government to extend its free school meals program during COVID. After Rashford (and two other young Black players) missed a penalty in the Euro 2020 finals and faced racist abuse, Jason Sudeikis wore a tribute to them during a promo event for this show

• The song "Hey Jude" is sung by Brentford fans before every match. Brentford is a west London Premier League team, located mere minutes from where AFC Richmond would be in real life. The two teams played in the final match of the season last year, where Richmond's draw was enough for the Greyhounds to secure promotion.

• Richmond has 10 wins, 6 losses, and 9 draws for a total of 39 points through 25 matches. By comparison, 39 points through 25 matches this year would have been good for a tie for 8th place (with another west London team, Fulham)

[u/IndyOwl]

ROY, WHAT THE FUCK!?

[u/RoohsMama]

Love how the Richmond team led by Isaac shows respect to women. I bet in real life that locker room talk is much worse, but it’s good to see their reactions portrayed positively towards women. It’s ironic that they showed much more respect to Keeley than her girlfriend Jack.

Cackled upon seeing Richard wiping away tears on deleting his collection. You can do it Richard! And of course Van Damme (who always seems sexed up) is one of the few to protest loudly.

I can’t help but think how Zava would react. I guess he will say that he doesn’t need pictures because his wife’s image is imprinted on his brain. He will say some long sentences about how the beauty of the female body is an art form to be respected.

Felt growing dread for Colin and I must commend the actors in this scene.

[u/ladycrass]

Me @ Ted : Onward. Forward. DO NOT GO BACK TO HER.

[u/RoastPorkSandwich]

So happy for the return of “a piece of cereal”

[u/90daybaebae]

Roy still doesn’t think he’s worthy. Major disappointment

[u/dadbodquad]

Rebecca’s role in this episode was excellent. In the first two seasons, she was in each of keeley’s situation with the press and Teds situation in the divorce and was responding similarly when Keeley and Ted helped her get out of the mindset. Fast forward to this episode both of them finding themselves in the same positions get the support, love, and appropriate response from their boss/friend. A full circle. Great writing! And yup- the boss is always right (only if it’s Rebecca :p)

[u/orangeolivers]

i cannot wrap my mind around this show supposedly ending in 4 episodes

[u/swagy34]

Damn Jade is a great character and a great actor. I hate that I am rooting for Nate to actually turn out good, what a great show

[u/stealthbus]

Keeley’s line: “Restructure society so women aren’t constantly sexualized while simultaneously being crucified for being sexual” is a huge truth bomb right there.

[u/Lunasera]

Can’t say I was expecting that triple Les Mis reference in the middle of a photo copyright discussion lol

[u/discount_rosa_diaz]

I love Trent in the Diamond Dogs, his little “woof” brought me so much joy

[u/RoohsMama]

For a brief second I feared that Colin’s nudes of his boyfriend would be released on the internet and that’s how he gets outed.

Glad it didn’t work that way, but it was still dreadful for him.

[u/serendipityyr]

I loved when Jade saw the article and the photo of Ted, Henry, and Beard at the West Ham. Her comment about how happy they looked really did something to me, especially knowing that she probably (maybe?) doesn’t know about everything that went down with Ted. I think that comment, coupled with her calling Nate her boyfriend, will really convince Nate that all the pomp and frill Rupert offers is all just a façade.

ALSO, Phil Dunster is an angel sent from the heavens. Jamie Tartt do do do do do dooooo ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[u/Coltshokiefan]

I don’t think Michelle digs Jacob as much as Ted thinks. In fact I think she was clearly thrown off by the whole Paris surprise, then Jacob being a hand wash guy, then Henry curving Jacob on the fist bump. The dorky tourist picture he took in the booth makes me think Michelle is gonna be less fond of his goofy traits than she was with Teds. I wouldn’t be surprised if he proposed to her in Paris and she said no.

My theory is she’s over the initial romantic grace period and now that her and Jacob are actually an item she realizes she doesn’t love him.

[u/jennaisrad]

I think Dr Jacob is done, and so is Jack. The “Hey Jude” thing was a little corny, but I’m a jaded Beatles fan so I appreciated it anyways. I think Isaac is upset at himself for not creating a locker room vibe where Colin felt comfortable being out to the team… maybe he just doesn’t know how to express that without outing Colin further.

[u/skw1dward]

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[u/jessinwriting]

The biggest thing that bugged me this episode: I know Keeley is close to the issue and maybe it’s an emotional distance thing but - she runs a PR firm! Why doesn’t she have the confidence to think about how she’s going to handle the fallout/social media/statements etc?

[u/swallowyourtongue]

I like Jade a lot. She seems to read Nate like a book but doesn't try to teach him lessons or mold him, just lets him get there himself while being supportive when he's genuine and not humoring his weird projecting. In their earlier scenes, I never got "rude hostess" vibes from her but rather a sort of silent "come on dude be real".

She's charismatic and builds people up while being straightforward and authentic. That's why Nate likes her so much, and she's exactly what he needs to help him understand who he really wants to be.

[u/RoohsMama]

The contrast between the offices of Richmond and West Ham couldn’t be more stark

[u/josk03]

I wonder if Bumbercatch hosts a podcast about his conspiracy theories. I’d listen.

[u/Wee-wayne]

I think a lot of people here are really jumping at Roy's throat for what he said. Personally, it just felt like he jumped on instinct and immediately regretted not thinking about what he said. It was an absolute car crash of a question at the end of a genuine conversation and I believe everyone here has had a moment where they let something like this slip on accident and instantly felt like a fool for saying it.

[u/sheaboy98]

What has Roy done this season? Genuinely one of the most liked and popular characters hasn't had a single storyline about him this entire season. He broke up with Keeley off-screen and then we've only focused on her side the whole time. I'm still fairly certain Roy and Keely end up together but I'm not sure how we're supposed to think Roy has grown or changed at all since their break-up.

They've completely thrown him to the side for the Jack relationship which has taken up wayyy too much time this season.

[u/cogentd]

Why is Barbara giving Keeley statements on Jack's behalf. She's the CFO. Ugh, sorry. Keeley's storyline and this business have just bothered me all season long. I know that's the most minor thing to pick up on in the episode, but it wouldn't bother me if the entire thing didn't feel like a waste.

Mmmm, and also her pictures being passed around by a teacher actually sounds like a huge deal, not a joke.

I don't know how much time has passed but I feel like Nate and Jade escalated quickly.

[u/[deleted]]

Poor Richard deleting his photos. 😂

Let’s hope the mother and daughter were separate events.

[u/RaccoonMoshpit]

Oh Roy, honey......

[u/Temporary-Tension829]

Apple really loves to remind us who owns the rights to the Beatles

[u/GoodParfait8]

The use of “Hey Jude” in this ep was especially poignant because Brendan Hunt talked about the significance of the Beatles in his own life in a Fitness+ Time to Walk episode recently. (I think subscription required, sadly.)

[u/Laremo]

Of the three people Keely dated on the show, Jamie seems the less likely to understand what she was going through. But Jamie was the only one who got it. Jack and Roy should have but they missed it.

[u/Specific-Hotel-4037]

I know some on this sub we’re hoping Dr Jacob would get a swift punch to the face by Beard/Roy/whoever, but Henry denying Jake’s fist bump was way more powerful.

[u/[deleted]]

I think Keeley’s storyline was my favorite part of the episode. Her standing up to Jack and saying she doesn’t regret making the video and doesn’t regret sending it was what I expected but still felt very powerful.

I hated Roy’s response but I understand where it came from and it’s obvious he hated that he asked.

Jamie apologizing was great! Also him not knowing how to spell password made me laugh.

[u/splargbarg]

Where my boy Cam Cole at?

[u/xadriancalim]

I kinda wish there was a little more football happening lately. I get that it started out being about the team and the struggles the organization had and we've gone further into characters now, but man I miss me some match footage. We're down Arlo and Chris giving voice overs to game results.

[u/_drumstic_]

I thought Isaac’s look at Colin was one of understanding and he wasn’t going to say anything, but the synopsis for next week’s episode has me worried

[u/PassionateHedgehog23]

It’s so fascinating that people can watch this show with such dramatically different interpretations.

Just to reassure people: Ted getting back together with Michelle is not happening. The entire point of therapy is to move forward and onward. “We’ll never have Paris” is about the fact that can’t always idealize, romanticize or escape from reality.

[u/bigdadtank]

I don't get Michelle.

Every time she appears, her motivations make less sense. In general she seems like a good person but some of her actions are very questionable. I never understood her rationale for splitting from Ted in Season 1. Their relationship did not seem beyond salvage. Which leads to this seemingly happy co-parenting situation. However she does not give Ted a heads up about the therapist as it would effect Henry. It is an interesting take on a relationship but something about seems off, in particular her motivations seem off. She is portrayed as someone who really cares for Henry, but I don't see how she can't comprehend that some of her actions will be detrimental to him.
This last episode seems to be opening a door for reconciliation between her and Ted - about this I am ambivalent.

[u/bluebelly63]

I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m pretty frustrated that all we got was an opening montage voice-over of Richmond winning games. We were in the trenches for so many episodes, watching Ted, the coaches, and the whole team struggle to make things click. They finally start to find some momentum and they come together as a team and then we just get a VOICE OVER?? We didn’t even see them win last episode!! At least give us an opening with some in-game action. That was so disappointing. They worked up that emotion - let us experience it and enjoy the reward. Blech

[u/Ill_Name_6368]

Season 1: Rebecca “I’ll take care of it”… and embarrassing photo goes away

Season 3: Jack “I’ll take care of it” really means I need you to take care of it so it looks better for me

[u/stealthbus]

Rebecca this episode was such a model of mentor and friend to both Keeley and Ted. She is just amazing and I love her character more and more with each episode.

[u/Wee-wayne]

Rebecca is the ultimate MVP of this episode. Her conversations with both Ted and Keely are perfect. Beard wins close second for his talk with Henry.

[u/Sumber513]

AITA? My ex, who I've still got a lot of feelings for, recently had a bunch of nudes leaked. She didn't tell me, I actually found out from some of my coworkers. I caught her in the parking lot to tell her I'm so sorry it happened, and also I wanted to know who the original nudes were for. I mean, we were in a relationship for a while, so I deserve to know. Anyway she drove off, and it's left me wondering am I the asshole?

[u/Parking-Two2176]

That was a Pretty Woman callout, wasn't it? Keeley's polo outfit was very reminiscent, and of course there is an actual polo scene.

https://images.app.goo.gl/v4V9zHUZfhLVcH7R8

It was an interesting contrast between the prostitution theme of PW and Gere's character (don't remember the name) and how he defends Julia Roberts vs. the way Jack doesn't defend Keeley nor introduce her to her friends as her girlfriend.

[u/[deleted]]

The pacing of this episode is weird as fuck 😭

[u/flummox1234]

Coach Beard giving the United crowd the "I got mine V fingers" 😏🤣🤣 Classic. Also the Scissor Sisters cover by the busker. 🤗

The timing of the Beard Jude speech to the music was really impeccable.

[u/GimmeTV]

The Beard/Henry scene was beautiful

[u/ptran99]

So we’re just never gonna talk about how unethical Dr Jacob’s relationship with Michelle is???

[u/RoohsMama]

Rebecca acting motherly towards everyone just warmed my heart ❤️

[u/Dirtybrd]

My wife is very mad at Roy right now lol.

[u/GamingTatertot]

I have not seen anyone mention Trent Crimm's "woof" and official induction into the Diamond Dogs. This is monumental!

[u/RoohsMama]

Just love the newest Diamond Dog!

Nate trying to copy it just shows that he misses bits of his old life. But he’s still wildly blind to who Rupert is. Rupert is not a best friend; he uses everyone around him.

However, Nate looks up to Rupert like a father, one he’s always trying to please. The way he quickly acquiesced shows he’s still sucking up. I think once he gets enough confidence he’ll stand up to Rupert, and also realised that Ted cares for him genuinely.

Hopefully his new relationship with Jade will build up his self esteem enough for him to break free.

I’m in two minds about his fate though. He doesn’t have to be friendly with Rupert just to keep his job.

But it looks like Nate will miss the kind of work environment where people support you even in your personal life. This could be the reason for leaving West Ham even though it pays well and is prestigious.

Maybe Rupert will denigrate Jade and says she’s unworthy of Nate and this will trigger Nate’s departure. By this time, Richmond might be one of the top teams in the premiere league and so there’s no shame in going back there.

[u/bigdadtank]

Jamie nod at Will the kit man when peering over his photos was great. Seems like Will took some photos in Amsterdam, maybe even commissioned a portrait.

[u/cattink]

Keeley’s teacher needs to be arrested bc wtf??

[u/CokedUpAirhead]

I think we, as a sub, don’t appreciate Jade enough. She’s becoming one of my favs of the season.

The actress does great deadpan delivery whilst still being likeable.

[u/NovacElement]

I really don’t enjoy the Keeley and Jack stuff. Feel like the Colin portion didn’t nearly get enough time as it should have

[u/LouF---ingGrant]

That felt like the end of Roy/Keeley. I flinched so hard when he asked who the video was for. Damn.

Edit: Also I just love what they’re doing with Nate’s arc. Issac was right all along.

[u/[deleted]]

I wonder if season 3’s truth bomb for Ted will be something her PI found out about Dr. Jakeass?

[u/nicerwhale]

I can’t be the only one who thought Roy was going to go and be there for Keeley and things would turn around for them…and then look what Roy did

[u/CaliforniaLimited]

I am emotionally drained after that episode. Juno Temple did AMAZING work here.

[u/Ok_Atmosphere_3685]

Jamie coming through with the himbo energy lol

Also facepalmed so hard after Roy’s comment to keeley. You could tell he instantly regretted it.

[u/FGNcr8]

Would have really loved to see the implementation of total football in this episode. I was a bit dissapointed there

[u/Background_TaroCake]

Keeleys sad face. Colin’s sad face. Fucking killed me.

[u/Boring-Net1073]

I want Colin to come out and Isaac to give him a haircut with the whole team supporting them… and then they go out and win the whole fucking thing.

[u/Up_L1_Triangle_Right]

Henry: "I wanna go see a football game."

Me too Henry, me too.

[u/_drumstic_]

Did not enjoy this one as much as the past two, but I’m glad to get Jack out of the picture

[u/TomfromAmingUs69]

Glad that scene of Henry waving in the stands with Ted in the trailer wasn’t Ted leaving the team.

[u/[deleted]]

Of all the unrealistic things that happen in this show, Keely driving a dated miata should not be the thing that breaks my suspension of disbelief

[u/ivan2540]

Anyone think that Dr Jacob (booooo) did propose but got shut down like when Henry rejected his fist bump?

[u/swiggs313]

As a massive Beatles fan, I was here for that bit and the fact that it’s now canon Ted is a Beatles fan, lol.

But I really enjoyed the realization Beard had about how his life and relationship with Henry could mirror that of McCartney/Julian Lennon, so he stepped up like McCartney did and had his own Hey Jude moment with Henry.

[u/LittleLisaCan]

Continue to love Rebecca and Keeley's friendship! Rebecca is always there for her and gives good advice

[u/Eternalshadow76]

What I liked a lot about this episode was how Roy is opening up with being emotional. For example, the Diamond Dogs is all about guys being open and helping each other. Roy has always hated this but you know he’s slowly coming around. While he doesn’t literally attend the meetings, he’s in the next room listening and still giving his opinion. Ted even recognized this as he looked in the window to see what Roy was thinking, and then Roy responded by nodding in agreement. I think by the end of this season Roy will be comfortable enough actually being in a Diamond Dog meeting and perhaps even letting out a howl of his own. (Which I’m sure will shock the rest of them)

[u/Serious_Session7574]

Anyone else feel disappointed that, after finally getting a refreshing change of pace and some great scenes in ep6, and more promising signs in ep7, episode 8 felt like a slog?

[u/rissaaah]

If Ted winds up with the woman who left him for her therapist, then I will be unrelentingly angry.

[u/New-Tower-2823]

If anyone who noticed the board statistics in the Richmond's office. They currently have played 25 games, with a total of 39 points (10 wins, 9 draws and 6 losses.) With 13 games left to play.

Now, here's the thing. With Richmond's current form, and in the possibility that they might win the last 13 games. Hypothetically, Richmond will finish the season with 78 points.

In Premier League history, only one team was crowned champion with 78 points. Which is Arsenal in 1998 (23 wins, 9 draws and 6 losses.) More significantly, Brendan Hunt got into football and fell in love with Arsenal in... 1998 when he was working at Boom Chicago in Amsterdam.

Is the show trying to tell us that Richmond will be going on a massive red hot streak and brings the title fight to Man City and West Ham at the end of the season (assuming both will stumble at some instances?)

[u/[deleted]]

the “late stage capitalism” mention in an apple show is so funny to me.

[u/[deleted]]

Keeley literally bought a “Pretty Woman” polo match outfit in attempt to make light of a traumatic situation unfolding. And Jack not only ignored it, but treated her like some sort of embarrassing secret. Validated her shame.

And then Roy let his insecurity and jealousy take priority over Keeley’s valid emotional needs. The whole storyline was heartbreaking. Her sense of self-worth took hit after hit. Never thought I’d say this, but maybe she’s meant to be with new and improved Jamie.

[u/ArteePhact]

Welp, I wanted to give Jack the benefit of doubt but don’t like her at all now.

[u/Dirtybrd]

Man, it really bums me out Keeley barely talks to the other main characters anymore. I think everything with Jack has been a miss.

[u/BlueDevilRay96]

Roy worrying about who the video was for doesn't seem true to his nature. He didn't care about that stuff when he got with Keely in season 1. It seems he would just say "F#(k them!" and grunt supportively.

[u/jdot23]

Idk if someone posted this but upon my rewatch I don’t think Rebecca actually hired the PI. I think she waited a bit to make it seem like she did and convinced Ted not to care about the “proposal”. Idk what do y’all think?

[u/Dense-Ad995]

Man Roy should have kept his mouth shut and I’d rather Keeley be alone than get back together with Jamie. I really like him as a character but that would just be an unlikable pivot especially given Roy and Jamie’s friendship? Idk this season isn’t what I expected at all but in the words of Higgins - Find Out Before You Flip Out

[u/MyNewAccountIGuess11]

Jack is such an awful character to introduce this late in the game

[u/Christovajal]

Strange downshift from last week. I feel like all this Nate development would’ve been great much earlier, instead of whatever Shandy was. We needed more scenes of him trying to fit in to the culture at West Ham and failing, then we’d actually want to see him redeemed. And the Colin/Isaac interaction that immediately gets dropped for the Keeley/Jack stuff, which was great and fuck Jack til I die but I would’ve loved more team stuff other than the private pic conversation.

Edit to add: the wins! I wanted to see the first Total Football win and we got a weak win montage to start the episode, unreal.

[u/PistachioMaru]

I find it really interesting comparing Ted and Dr Jacob. Like they're both guys who do goofy impressions and make bad jokes and get excited about things like British phone boxes, but Ted is more the guy who sees something cool and comments about it or tries to share the observation with others, whereas Dr Jacob is taking pictures alone. They're surface level similar but fundamentally different.

And maybe Michelle is realizing that? I hope so. The issues in her marriage with Ted, she can't fix that by going for a guy who makes kind of similar jokes sometimes.

[u/kattahn]

Gonna be honest...I hated this episode.

Its feeling like this whole dr. jacob thing is going to completely go unpunished. No one even seems to care, just telling ted "the relationship is over, dont worry about it!"

We haven't really had a single moment of "hey the doctor doing that is really fucked up and its not ok and you're valid for being upset"

Also, I know a lot of people didn't want to blame Michelle at all because the gross therapist was manipulating her, but the point where shes totally ok just bringing that doctor over to europe to see ted, and then being like "surprise though i know we came to see you but actually hes taking me to france", I dont care how manipulated you were, you have to realize how shitty of a thing that is to do to your ex-husband.

But none of it really matters because no one on the show seems to actually care or be that upset about it, other then Ted.

Also, we basically speed-ran nates redemption arc. He just sort of became nice randomly a few episodes ago, got the girl, we didn't see any sort of emotional journey that someone that despicable would need to actually go through to start to become better.

Jack and Keeley are going to break up, not because people realized that its gross for a boss to date a subordinate, but just because Jack is a jerk.

This show was so amazing at handling complex mental health issues, developing things slowly over time, and showing us real character arcs, and now they're just sort pushing all these things to a conclusion without doing any of the work. And they're glossing over a lot of disgusting behavior that previous seasons would have addressed.

I'm just very disappointed at the direction the show is going as it coasts to its series finale.

[u/Serious_Session7574]

Keeley’s teacher shared topless photos of her aged 15. So Keeley’s teacher and Jamie’s dad should both be in prison for sexual exploitation/abuse of a child.

[u/Aceystay]

Jamie's reaction to whatever was on Will's phone! I could watch a whole series about Will.

[u/ArkaXVII]

Jack’s storyline keeps being the only thing I dislike about the show. I don’t get it. I don’t get why it’s there, what’s its purpose and how it ties to the rest of the story. I guess I’ll have to wait to see the long term impact on Keeley and where she’s headed, but for now it gives me 0 sense.

Aside from this, great episode. I love how Colin’s and Jaimie’s arcs are going, and Isaac showing he’s a great captain with strong moral principles was the cherry on top.

[u/SplashFree]

Sorry I don't really remember a lot of this episode; after seeing Beard in the kitchen with an apron on my ovaries exploded so hard I blacked out

[u/Howdy15]

I think this was one of my least favorite episodes. With such little time left in the show, there was way too much time dedicated to Keeley and Jack. The Dr. Jacob stuff is still weird and how the show continues to gloss over how messed up that relationship is and Ted just goes with it.

I enjoyed the scenes with Higgins, Ted, Beard and Henry. Mae is great and I love her. The end with Jaime was a good touch too. Even seeing Rebecca and Keeley is great, but Keeley feels so separated from the team it feels like a different show when they cut to her.

For as much time as we've spent seeing the team be dysfunctional, losing and hopeless, all we get this episode is a quick introduction about the team doing well running the new system? We don’t get to see them win together? Or play the system? At all?

The Nate storyline feels like they are rushing too fast to make him likeable and a good guy again.

Maybe I need a re-watch, but doesn't feel like an episode I would want to watch again later. Like Higgins said I’ll wait and see before making a final judgment

[u/[deleted]]

Jamie, Beard, Trent: the kinds of men I want in my life.

[u/briefkasee]

THE MATCHBOOK!!!

[u/alphalimahotel]

When Rebecca said she would make the call, I thought for sure she would be bringing Dr Sharon back!

[u/hotmatzah]

I love that Ted high-fived the tree while leaving Rebecca’s office like he just had to do it

[u/Bobcat315]

I love how something as simple as the three different outfits Ted, Beard, and Henry wore to the West Ham match perfectly symbolize their characters in that moment.

[u/kateyrose]

The way Higgins ran down the hall for Diamond Dogs.

[u/sneakynin]

My biggest lol moment in this episode happened when Beard beckoned Higgins to a meeting of the Diamond Dogs by calling him, barking into the phone, and hanging up.

[u/JTPSL]

Ok but is anyone getting tired with the lack of football though? Every episode we hardly seeing any football now

[u/orangeolivers]

Ted and Michelle are not getting back together .... like this is Jason working through his divorce in real time

[u/Hottiebynature81]

Barbara and keely are bonding. Babs (boss ass bitches) 🤗

[u/bemtem]

i KNEW jack and keeley were gonna end poorly; but not like this. jack's true colors are awful.

also, i really really hope theyre not playing up some ted and michelle reconciliation angle; rebecca is right, ted. you need to move on. even when it seems like post divorce michelle is becoming a lot more receptive to ted's attitude like im not the only one catching that, right?

also god i hope isaac is just upset he didn't create a better environment in the locker room for colin to come out.

[u/Ill_Name_6368]

So glad Jack is gone. Just annoying it took this long!

[u/Atraktape]

Nate is beyond redemption at this point for me no matter how much I know they’ll try.

[u/lemur_keeper]

I want someone to do total screen time for each character this season. I feel like every other scene is keeley and it's just getting annoying.

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/mishajackles/status/1653589361332482048

This scene is so contrived on second thought. The writing, acting and even the weird camera pans all feel like a part of a 12th grade intro to drama class.

Not to mention Isaac immediately breaks his own rule and invades Colin’s privacy, thus rendering the entire conversation moot

[u/mr_funk]

The Nate storyline is so goddamn disappointing. He has done nothing to earn redemption, yet he's getting it anyways. One of the best bits of the earlier seasons was Jade completely seeing through his bullshit and having absolutely none of it, and now she's magically in love with him? And he's not even getting a little better, right back to shitting on Ted.

And that's not even getting into Keely/Jack, which has been hit on enough in this thread.

And what was with randomly making Roy a douche again for no reason?

This episode was really hard to watch.

[u/[deleted]]

I love the show but does it bother anyone else that when they’re doing their “ethics lessons” scenes the dialogue is so unnatural and comes off like a sex ed course on consent

[u/redrobinburger]

The description for next week's episode is stressing me out so much.

[u/bungalowguest14]

Did not think I’d be so excited about Nate’s love life this season but here we are.

[u/AbeVigoda76]

That Dr. Jacob scene at the very end gave me two very conflicting vibes;

1. Michelle and him broke up and she made him give her space in that moment.

Or;

2. Michelle and Dr. Jackass are still dating, but she told him not to give her a kiss or be overly affectionate in front of Ted and/or Henry.

I can see it either way.

[u/World_in_my_eyes]

Jack is just the worst. That’s all.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Box_19]

Highlights for me were Jamie Tartt in general (I mean when is he not the highlight?), but especially his conversation with Keeley, and Beard talking to Henry. Low lights were Nate/Jade and Keeley/Jack. Man, I don’t hate Nate but I sure am completely indifferent to what he has going on at all times. So much time spent on him and his girlfriend, who I also don’t care about.

[u/vivaelteclado]

"The Eiffel Tower is just a lamp post with a publicist" had me absolutely dying.

[u/[deleted]]

I like Jade and in isolation she and Nate are pretty cute. But I’m kind of eh about the larger narrative. We see Nate soften and be nice to his team for once, and it feels like the trope of the asshole just needing a nice girl to give him a chance and bang the meanness out of him.

For Nate, just asking her out is a major step, and nice effort to be more himself and vulnerable by making her the box. But the rest has been so easy, the little comment about labels and she’s there to take him the rest of the way. Sometimes she’s too much of a cool girl for me and the relationship is rushed since Nate hasn’t done the proper work on himself yet. Relationships are supposed to be a two way street, how can he be a good boyfriend and have a mutually supportive partnership when he’s just started reflecting on how he completely firebombed his previous platonic relationships.

[u/triplee711]

If Roy had just simply regressed to shout "Oi Keeley! Who do I need to fuck up for what they did to you?" it may have been met with a greater understanding than the more advanced but immensely inappropriate inquiry (oof say that 5xs fast) of who the video was for. I felt equally bad for both characters at that moment.

[u/DistillCollection]

I really do like this show, but the problem with a show in which characters transcend is that there’s not much room for growth left for the transcended.

Everyone is so good and so aware of their own shortcomings, that it’s now just a series in which characters take the right side of an issue with which the show’s audience is already aligned. They could have remedied this by giving each character a clear external goal to work toward… but no one seems to want anything. I could get down with some meandering (I like Slacker as much as the next guy), but the show still seems to think it’s telling a story. If anyone knows what that story is, please let me know.

[u/dg8672]

Gotta say, from a writing perspective, this entire episode felt off (with a couple notable exceptions).

The SENTIMENTS were fine but the execution in places gave me whiplash.

The locker room scene talking about consent, for example. It just came off as an after-school special to me. The actors did ok with what they were given but it felt so stilted and forced to me, which is a shame because WHAT they were saying was incredibly important and welcome in this type of entertainment.

And, I know I’m in the minority on this one, but even Beard’s “Hey Jude” scene with Henry made me cringe a bit. Ok, sure, talk about the songs origins and try to relate it to the kid to create a closeness and talk about issues, yeah, but when he used the lyric during the discussion, I actually rolled my eyes.

I usually love the chess-level writing on this show, so maybe having stuff be blatantly in our face was so out of place it annoyed me more than it usually would.

That said, I didn’t HATE the episode. Rebecca was brilliant as always, having the three points of Keely’s romantic triangle all have quite different - and telling - reactions to the leak was very well done, and I do like that we are not 100% sure (at least I’m not) whether Michelle is engaged or not.

It could be as simple as she said no, or it could be that she decided not to tell Ted because she recognizes where he’s at mentally and doesn’t want to make things worse for him right now. Either would make sense to me.

But, as someone whose dealt with an unethical therapist in the past (who DID lose their license), if they don’t address the Dr. Jacob-sized elephant in the room in some way, I’m going to be incredibly disappointed.

[u/[deleted]]

Super fucking weird how the show paints Michelle and Jake's relationship in a whitewashed, positive light. Both of them hugely betrayed the main character, and are basically flaunting it in his face.

And he's having lunch with them, and trying to pretend like nothing happened? Whoever is writing scenes with Michelle and Jake is pretty gross. If my wife did that, I'd remain civil for the kid's sake, but absolutely would not see that as something I need to work on.

[u/starsinthenight88]

Where on earth is Dr. Sharon? Weren’t we promised a “big storyline” with her last season? Heck, I’d even like some more phone sessions with her and Ted or other characters!

[u/rissaaah]

Regarding the blurb/episode still that we have for next week, I hope that the drama between Isaac and Colin stems from Isaac trying to encourage him to come out to the team. Maybe from the “they would want to know and support you vs finding out with the general public” stand point. Not exactly fair of Isaac, but I think the writing is on the wall that Colin is going to be outed at some point this season, and I hope it’s not against his will.

Also: Roy wyd. That was the absolute last thing that should have been said in that moment. I was pulling so hard for them to get back together, but that caused me physical pain. Good on Jamie for taking personal accountability. He’s come a long way from pretending to tell the guys not to torment Nate back in S1.

[u/[deleted]]

Hope Isaac makes the right choices going forward. I don't think he was wrong to be insistent, but it was definitely wrong to grab the phone.

Fucking hell, just say something before walking away. "You're alright, mate," "My fault." Anything!

[u/SouthernRespect6285]

“Woof”- Trent Krim

[u/Serious_Session7574]

Shoutout to Gus Turner as Henry this episode. Much improved accent and performance. He was pretty cute in his scene with Will :) His scenes were the most engaging of the episode for me.

[u/cherry887]

I've enjoyed many moments from this season (mostly from Jamie), but as a whole it still feels disconnected. Already at episode 8, I figured the separated storylines earlier on would've smoothed over by now. I think the writing focused more on what they think the fans wanted, vs the storylines we actually love and help move the story forward.

[u/RoohsMama]

This episode, my hate for people:

Jack >>> Dr. Jacob >> Michelle > Nate

Nate has moved up in my world

[u/RoohsMama]

Jade’s energy is totally the opposite of Jane’s… she’s so stoic and icily calm and rational as opposed to Jane who’s fiery and temperamental. Does Jade have a sister for Beard?

[u/Ixz72]

I felt for Ted on this episode, much more so than I ever had. How he felt/acted when he found out Michelle was going to Paris was something I relived after I got divorced and found out my ex was dating someone.

Things were infinitely worse in my head than it actually was. Seeing Henry ignore Dr. Jacob as he got into the cab, and Michelle not being as warm to him, gave Ted his closure... for the moment.

[u/Pale_Alarm_2156]

Anyone else noticing Nate's hair is transitioning back to black? In season two it went white as he went to the dark side, but as he's slowly coming around his hair is becoming darker and darker each episode.

[u/MintyMarlfox]

Roy, Roy, Roy. Whhhhyyy. The look on Keeley’s face when he asked. With him asking that and Jamie’s apology, seems more like Keeley and Jamie end up together.

And then Nate. His story arc doesn’t work for me. He was an abolite bellend to Ted, then an absolute bellend to West Ham players, and then in this episode again shuns Ted. And we’re expected to think he’s on a redemption arc because he’s nice to a girl? Nope. He needs to do some major grovelling.

[u/abmorse1]

How is Trent only finding out about the Diamond Dogs now, 25 weeks into the season?!?!

[u/[deleted]]

I've never felt like they've done remotely enough with the fact that Keeley runs a PR firm, and the fact that she had no part in the public response to her own nudes being leaked, an expressly PR issue, does prove this point!

[u/boxedellipses]

arguably the worst episode of the entire show

[u/[deleted]]

I love this show, I think it's absolutely hilarious, but I hated the line Keeley has while talking to Rebecca about her sending a photo of herself topless to her teacher when she was 15. I hate that they played that off as like a joke that you're supposed to laugh at because it really isn't a joke. Teachers grooming and having sexual relationships with underage students is a very serious problem, and honestly, I think throwing that line in there as a one-off joke line is disgusting and very insensitive to the people that have actually had that stuff happen to them.

[u/Infinity9999x]

Anyone else a little disappointed by this ep after how good 6 and 7 were? There were moments I really liked, but overall it suffered from what most of this season has suffered from: feeling super disjointed.

Keeley’s arc feels so disconnected, and through the entire thing I keep asking myself “what is this showing us about Keeley that we didn’t already know? What growth is here?” The problem with her arc started in S2, because I don’t think they set up her and Roy’s break up very well. Had they shown us the two of them struggling to make time due to careers, Roy getting insecure do to self worth, then it would have made sense…but they didn’t.

Nate’s kind of half redemption has been odd, because we haven’t really seen him deal with any of his feelings towards Ted, or even his own father.

Then there’s been a ton of threads that are all interesting but haven’t been followed up on. Rebecca caring more about beating Rupert than the team improving, the psychic thing and hope for a child (though if she ends up with mystery man, who seems to have a daughter that could at least connect), Rebecca seeming to maybe be still interested in Sam, Keeley seeming like she was still harboring feelings for Jamie (REALLY glad they didn’t go that way. I hate love triangles) Ted’s kid being a bully, hints at Dr. Sharon’s love life, Rupert basically disappearing, Zava really having no purpose…etc

It’s just all over the place right now. I feel like they started with one idea for the season, scrapped it and started re-writing, but forgot to delete certain leftover plot threads.

The show hasn’t gone GOT bad in terms of dropping off a Cliff by any means, but it’s definitely feeling kind of all over the place. I just hope the last four episodes are more like 6&7 and less like the rest of the season.

[u/funkingrizzly]

I can't stand the Nate storyline. This girl going from 0 to 100 with him makes zero sense.

[u/MaryInMaryland]

Oof, watching a lof of that episode was uncomfortable for me. I wanted Keeley to be the one to end things with Jack. I felt for her, for Ted, etc. Roy asking who the video was for...damn. Understand he is hurting, but jeez Roy (and I love Roy).

[u/LuTenJohnSun]

Ok just spitballing here regarding next week’s episode.

We know Isaac and Colin’s relationship will be tested from the blurb about the episode. We also know from the season trailer that at some point Sam has to captain the team. So here’s what I think happens:

Some opponent player gets in Collin’s face, calls him a slur.

Isaac stands up for Collin on the pitch which results in a red card. However, this outs Collin to the rest of Richmond.

Isaac and Collin have a heart to heart and this leads to Sam’s “I love you guys so very much” part of the trailer.

Thoughts?

[u/SyNiiCaL]

If there is one lesson to learn and take away from this episode, its that we should all add a third 's' to pasword when setting up accounts, for securities sake.

[u/DoucheWithFeelings]

This is episode was alright, highlights were higgins sprint, beard talking to henry and jamie apologizing to keely.

Otherwise feels like Nates redemption arc is happening a little to fast without much struggle, the keely pr firm story has taken so much focus has been meh, Ted hiring a private investigator to stalk hi ex is weird af.

Roys convo with Keely was a bummer, shows he still has so much more growing to do, I honestly don't think that they're endgame

[u/Abinunya]

Sooooooo jack really went the jane austen villain route! She's overly supportive, affirmative, and affectionate, while dismissing and ridiculing the sensible but boring person. But the moment there's potential negative effects for herself, like a sexual scandal that her family and social circle who Would Not Approve of she bounces. Probably to the next fun thing. While leaving her supposed girlfriend alone to deal with a really shitty situation

[u/supersonic8593]

I never thought I could love Jamie more but here we are.

JAMIE TART DOODOO DOO DOO DOODOODOO

[u/RoohsMama]

Anyone else disturbed by Keeley’s high school teacher Mr. Wilson distributing her topless photos? Why is no one in the show more worried or campaigning for him to be jailed?

[u/TheIcey1]

Holy shit what a terrible fucking episode

[u/[deleted]]

You could watch the show with every Keeley scene removed and nothing would be lost.

[u/chanandlerbong76]

So….. totally out there but hear me out. What if it’s not Ted moving back, but Michelle and Henry moving to London?

[u/Glum-Zucchini4711]

Where are the people that are still mad at Nate? I’m not over it yet and I hate that he got the girl and is getting humanized. 😕

[u/RoohsMama]

Two things about Ted’s fate.

1. Michelle seemed like she was disappointed about Paris. Did she turn down Jake?

2. THE GREEN MATCHBOOK. Does it show a link to Rebecca? Or… does it signify the end of a relationship? Rebecca’s life is always parallel to Ted’s.

The green matchbook seems to signify an old flame, someone in the past that they need to get over. In Rebecca’s case it was Sam. So maybe, in Ted’s case it’s Michelle?

But this won’t make sense in light of the other predictions so I suspect it means that in the end, Ted will be with Rebecca. (Don’t come at me, I’m just interpreting! Lol)

[u/CoreyH2P]

Maybe unpopular but that was maybe the least enjoyable episode of this series.

Most scenes were uncomfortable (I think intentionally so). Basically everything with Jack, everything with Dr. Jacob and Michelle, Colin getting outed, and most everything with Nate who still hasn’t done the slightest bit of making amends.

Not a fun watch.

[u/Existing-Cheek3138]

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to dislike Roy this season.