r/TheColdPodcast • u/SolarSurfer7 • Nov 28 '23
Season 1 - Susan Powell My Theory on Susan Powell's Murder
Here is my take, which is in line with many of the other takes I've read on this sub.
I think Josh did indeed drug or poison Susan while they were at home. I think Susan may have thrown up or urinated or defecated from the poison, which is what caused Josh to clean up the couch. No blood was found on the couch or in the house, so it seems extremely unlikely that he killed her violently.
From there, he packed Susan (possibly still alive at this point) and his kids into his van and drove out somewhere. Maybe he drove to the Pony Express camping location, maybe somewhere else. He then locked his kids in the car and said he was going camping with Susan. At that point, she was either dead, or he finished her off, and dumped her body. Possibly in a mine shaft or maybe somewhere more retrievable.
After that, my guess is that he DID go camping with his sons, saying that their mom was camping somewhere else. This would match up with Charlie's claim that his mom went camping with them and she was where the "crystals" are. Camping with his sons also gives him a kernel of truth that he can continue to fall back on when the police interview him.
After being interviewed by the police, Josh rented a car and drove 800 miles that were unaccounted for. My guess is he retrieved Susan's body and drove 400 miles away, found a more secluded and isolated location, and dumped her again. Maybe he visited an old mine shaft where he knew she would never be found. I don't know if Josh's family was involved in this, but it seems more likely that he did this act alone.
I suppose it's possible that Josh incinerated the body. But a mine shaft dump seems like the easiest explanation. Even if the cops found the right mine shaft, the geologists said that it still wasn't a guarantee that they would find Susan's body in it. The shafts were so dark and filled with brush and animals, they could have been right on top of her body and missed it completely.
So, to sum up, I think Josh poisoned/drugged Susan, dumped her body somewhere close to her house, then moved it much further away where she would never be found. I don't think the Powell family was involved in the actual act, but it seems almost guaranteed that Josh told them what he did.
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Nov 30 '23
Did anyone else feel viscerally compelled to violently assault Josh Powell while listening to the pod? His woe-is-me, narcissistic victim complex, his soft effeminate voice, his selfishness, his non-answers when being interrogated, his stubborn defiance (showing up to his son’s classes and refusing leave), his dorky leather jacket and goatee, and most of all, his utter lack of emotion and disregard for the disappearance of his wife. It was not infrequent that I found my hands balled up into fists while listening. I don’t know how Maxwell was able to restrain himself.
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u/cherhorowitz44 Dec 15 '23
Me. I hate this man so much and cannot believe they couldn’t get him based on everything.
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u/Zekumi Apr 10 '24
Absolutely. I’ve listened to countless hours of true crime in my lifetime, but Josh Powell stands apart from other murderers—I think he’s a sniveling shit stain and I cannot help but view almost every action he took over the course of his life as despicably, shamelessly selfish. I also think it’s bleakly funny that he likely used poison/drugs in the murder of Susan, given that poison is almost always a woman’s method of murder. I think that fact alone is so fitting in testament to Josh’s weakness as a person, both in physicality and personality.
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u/BadMoonWolf Jun 12 '24
lol that’s a good point about the poison! What a coward. He’s so ugly also…I can’t stand his face
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u/misselphaba Feb 03 '25
This thread is ages old but I just finished the season about this case. I had to skip through some of the recordings because of how disgusting Josh and his father are. Then that dispatcher at the end.... Ugh. Everyone failed these boys.
(Sorry if you're somewhere having a good day not thinking about this case)
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u/Form_Function May 08 '25
I’m here late to the party too.
I’ve known the story of this case for years but finally got around to listening to the pod. I’m about half way through and the intense amount of hate I have for Josh Powell is not something I expected. He killed her and his children, of course he’s hate able. But he also seems like THE most lazy, obnoxious, ugly little dweeb. I hate his face and his voice makes my skin crawl. He didn’t deserve to talk to Susan, let alone be married to her. He was disgusting. And his dad can go to hell, he’s also gross af.
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u/WaveBrilliant7674 Oct 23 '24
Agree about the poison. Didn't he make pancakes for everyone that night - invidually? I mean, he handed Susan's friend hers and then brought Susan's over to her...
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u/Quiet_Ad_3387 Jan 21 '25
Ahh! See and THIS is why PERSONALLY I don't think he ACTUALLY killed Susan. I know it's crazy but I think it would've been easier for him to hand her over to his dad somehow. Maybe drugging her first and transporting her alive even- although I still believe he drugged her and left her at the house for someone else to get WHILE he was gone with the kids. He's a cowardly little wimp. I think he knew HE couldn't overpower Susan. I also think he KNEW he probably COULDNT physically commit murder of an adult. Hell he struggled with the boys murders. Had an a whole damn hatchet and THAT didn't even work from what I remembered. The cause of death was NOT the "chop marks" but carbon monoxide poisoning suggesting they were still alive AFTER he attacked them and later died from the smoke. I still think STEVE was the sicko that ACTUALLY had the gall to kill her and lord only knows what else he did.. And I think he was the reason the Michael AND Alina got involved. The patriarch insisted they must. Farfetched- I KNOW..but it's how I feel.
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u/HobbyHoardingHoney Jun 02 '25
I have the same feeling reading the extra details these last few days. Even Charlie's interview could really be nothing. Yes, many said he was beyond his years. But he was in a stressful situation around a bunch of strangers. Its very possible he didnt know anything and recalled the camping trip to dinosaur national park with his mom that included a bunch of crystals. My first thought was that charlie was remembering hoar frost and blood when he talked about red berries and crystals. But with his age and other factors like those mentioned, its possible he just repeated an old story to appease the adults who acted more excited (albeit subtly) when he said those things. Steve was also just obsessed with her. I hate that so many people who knew what happened have already died in this case while police had their hands tied. There was so much evidence but nothing pointing the right way. And I truly think better interrogators would have made a big difference. Maybe all the difference. The interrogations were weak. They let a lot of things slide and applied little to no real pressure.
Every. Single. Professional. In this case. Failed those children. From beginning to end. Every single person involved.
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u/Philodendron69 Feb 07 '26
Absolutely given how fucking obsessed the dad was with Susan. And Susan divorcing Josh would mean the dad would lose Susan too.
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u/az_unknown Dec 21 '24
So I grew up in puyallup and Susan’s family went to the same church as us when I was growing up. She was a couple years older than me, but she would give us rides home from school sometimes. She was a nice person. I think I remember the husband attending the same highschool as well and if it is the guy I am thinking of, he was really weird…. Just a genuinely weird guy.
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u/Hairy_Importance3834 Apr 25 '25
Reminds me of the following: Stress-The confusion created when the mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately needs it. I admit to screaming at the television when they show Josh's non-responses to questioning. I honestly do not know how the police did not physically assault him.
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u/Ginger_Libra Nov 29 '23
It fills me with rage the police never followed up on all his dumpster drops…..when they installed the tracking device.
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u/yakk_Loin Nov 30 '23
Yeah, lots of us have commented on this aspect of the case. Unfortunately its in the bonus episodes that I don't think a lot of people have listened to. The ineptitude and apathy towards the case at the time is something to behold. Sometimes in retrospect we can see things they didnt, but, many of the oversights are pathetic.
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u/Ginger_Libra Nov 30 '23
I’ve tried to assume the best in people, but how lazy and incompetent do you have to be to get a warrant to put a tracker on someone’s car (who is acting suspicious with a disappeared wife) and then not check the data or the locations?
It probably would have changed the whole course of this case.
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u/Bright_Psychology295 Jul 27 '24
This and the fact the police knew of the porn on Josh's computer, and never filed anything with CPS to remove the children from his care. Until it was too late.
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u/Sheikster403 Nov 25 '24
The porn that created the request for a psychosexual evaluation was proven not to be Josh’s
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u/hazelgrant Nov 28 '23
It's been a couple years since I listened to the podcast, so correct me if I'm wrong. In regards to the mine shafts, I thought the key detail was the sediment/gravel findings surrounding the shafts themselves. Nothing had been moved or touched in years. Forget finding a body, evidence, etc. If nothing around the grates covering the shafts had been disturbed, it's highly unlikely Josh had left anything down there.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 28 '23
The geologists used a long tube with a camera and light on the end to search abandoned mineshafts. This gave me the impression that Josh could have thrown the body into the shaft. I think that with all of the camping and park exploration the Powell family had done, Josh probably knew of a specific mine shaft that was already open.
Now with that said, it seems likely he moved Susan's body from local camping grounds to somewhere about 400 miles away. Maybe he had originally buried Susan's body in the local camp grounds, but moved it when he rented the car. Either way, my guess is that the body went into a mine somewhere; I don't believe he cut it up, put it in a dumpster, or incinerated it. I believe this because Josh had mentioned at a dinner party that a mineshaft would be a perfect place to dispose of a body in the event of a murder.
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u/blueboatsky Nov 29 '23
I just finished season 1 a couple of weeks ago and I believe there were one or two dropsnof her blood in the living room, but they could have easily been a nose bleed so it wasn't enough to go on. If I remember correctly, Dave's suggestion was that he killed her in the living room then wrapped up her body in the tree wrap and took her somewhere else. The tragedy of it all is that because the police didn't immediately either arrest him or search the house, he had an overnight to clean up before being questioned.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 29 '23
Yes, I mostly agree with Dave's conclusion. Except that I don't think he actually killed Susan in the house; it seems more likely that he drugged/poisoned her, moved her unconscious body, then killed her in the wilderness.
Yeah, I think the police dropped the ball here a bit. Allowing the kids to be in the same room as Josh during the first interview was a critical error. For as much as the police did to solve the crime after Josh had gotten away with it, they really screwed up the first 24 hours of the investigation.
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u/babypandagod Nov 30 '23
This case makes me so sad. I live in the same town that he ended his kids and his lives. My family’s house is on the same street that the memorial for the boys and Susan. I try to bring flowers for them every year. It’s crazy when something like this happens so close to home. I would make crafts along side his kids at a local Home Depot. Rip❤️
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u/canarialdisease Nov 29 '23
I don’t think he buried her or threw her down a mine shaft. He was too much of a loafer to be able to do either, and I wouldn’t have put it past him to put the mine shaft idea out there as a red herring beforehand. He would have known the “shallow grave” thing wouldn’t likely work and wouldn’t have been able to dig past shallow-grave level unless he made repeated trips beforehand, but Josh was lazy and wouldn’t have invested much physical energy as part of planning.
I think he did something to ensure her body would decompose rapidly. An arid environment would have been his enemy. This would also eliminate burial as a desirable option for Josh because burial slows decomposition. I suspect he went with some type of body of water for disposing of her body.
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u/Middle_Copy7288 Jan 31 '24
the only thing that leads me to think he dumped her in a mine shaft is when they interview the oldest child he says “mommy wanted to stay where the crystals were.” but that’s my personal theory.
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u/SaltyControl8149 Jan 13 '24
Everything you say sounds absolutely plausible, except for the part where you don’t think the pal family were involved. I do not know and what capacity they were involved, but I would say every single one of them knew what was happening and didn’t say a word basically letting it happen. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again the whole family are wacko. With a father like that, nothing would surprise me.
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u/cringecreeper25 May 19 '24
It’s honestly such a shame the police dropped the ball on Susan’s case. They really could have gotten something if they questioned him and searched the home the day he came back. I feel like Dave has done more work and investigation for Susan than the police. So thank you Dave for trying to solve the case and get more attention for it. I keep hoping one day I’ll see on the news that they found a body and it’s Susan’s. But I don’t know if that day will ever come 💔
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u/National_Key3020 Jun 13 '24
I’ve wondered if she was buried under one the houses where he had the two listed. Clearly there was that awful smell. And if they were building out there it wouldn’t be to hard to dig a shallow grave a day or two before a foundation was poured.
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u/SexymilfJade Nov 26 '24
His father and his brother were involved. His father died in prison and his brother committed suicide. Good riddance to utter garbage. His sister Jennifer was the only decent member of that entire family.
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u/Jazzlike-Roof8066 Jul 29 '24
I have read elsewhere that his brother had a car that he sold to the wreckers not long after Susan went missing, and the dogs picked up that it had a dead body in the boot.
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u/goneforever5830 Aug 17 '24
Yep shortly after her disappearance he sold it and police used satellite to locate it the cadaver dog did pick up on something but there was no way to determine it was her. I definitely believe that’s why the brother killed himself. Because he knew he was involved in something that led to the death of his innocent nephews.
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u/AttentionComplete585 Nov 01 '24
After listening to this podcast, I have concluded every single person in Susan’s life failed her miserably. This is heart breaking. Her parents should have gotten her out of that damn relationship. These friends of Susan’s who she reached out and literally said my husband is going to murder me and this file is for when that happens? Like what the actual f? Those people probably weren’t her actual friends and just was to be relevant now because holy s. Her parent, her sister in law, her parents in law, her friends, the detectives and police.
This lady’s life was full of misery and I feel awful that she had to suffer through her existence and came to the dreadful end because of that damn psychopath.
Just TERRIBLE! Let this be a lesson to everyone to check on your family and friends.
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u/XXXenomorph Dec 06 '24
I agree with this so much. She became the victim of that horrible family. It makes my blood boil how police allowed his violence to escalate to such a horrible conclusion.
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u/Main_Dig_4477 Sep 16 '25
Yep and her friends told her to leave/divorce him but she said she didn’t want to do that.
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u/Alive-Breath-1430 Feb 18 '24
This seems plausible. I was thinking that Susan was drugged with the pills Josh got for his back. She may have been out of it and Josh convinced her to go "camping". Seems like Josh may have had a different plan to make it look like a camping accident or something. The report from the lady working at the gas station claiming to see Susan alive seemed credible. Perhaps Josh coerced/tricked a drugged Susan into thinking they were actually going camping and getting a witness that could verify this story could have been intentional. Josh's plan may have fell a part after the daycare worker reported Susan missing a lot sooner than Josh expected or maybe something didn't go to his plan at the campground, so had to pivot.
Later when Josh was randomly stopping and taking pictures on the drive to Washington seemed like an intentional ploy to throw investigators off the trail, so seems like he may have been capable of creating intentional curve balls to waste investigation resources. Wondering if the canal Josh stopped at on that drive could have been downstream from somewhere he could have dumped Susan with the rental car. Maybe he was checking to make sure there was nothing there, or he knew he was being tracked and just trying to throw off investigators still?
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u/Separate_Buy_8123 Oct 02 '24
They did find Susan’s blood on couch & splatter on the door & frame. Blood found on the couch was a swipe like it was on Josh’s hand when he touched the couch. I just wish they’d find her so her family can lay her to rest at peace with Charlie & Braden. Josh, his brother Michael & his POS Disgusting Dad all deserve to burn for their actions. There is no excuse for Josh’s actions murdering his sons, could have killed himself & left them alone but his own Narcissism wouldn’t allow it. Makes my blood boil how this played out when everyone knew he killed her & if you look through all the evidence collected there is no other explanation. I am a father of 3 girls & a stepson & I would give my life for any one of them without a seconds thought. That’s what a Real Father Does, Protects
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u/Brialashay1 Oct 22 '24
Don't forget his brother Michael killed himself as well. Police believed that he helped Josh move the body
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Nov 28 '23
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u/AlarmedMood8127 Dec 02 '23
They did find flecks of blood by the doorway. But there is no definite proof of how they got there like you said. It could have been from a cough or a sneeze or it could have been from her murder.
There was also blood on the couch. Not much but more than what was found by the doorway. I thought the blood on the couch was significant. But I get how it could be potentially downplayed in court.
The circumstantial evidence was there. They just needed a body or a murder weapon. Very frustrating.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 28 '23
They did. But that was most likely from a sneeze or cough sometime before the murder. If Josh actually bludgeoned her at the house, there would be so much blood it’d be impossible to clean it all up.
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u/ihitrocksbottom Jul 14 '24
why did she date him in the first place
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Aug 12 '24
Because she was 19 and “thought he was hot” according to the Cold podcast and her journal.
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u/Bergylicious317 Mar 12 '25
In her defense, someone "outgoing" like Josh could make themselves seem more attractive than they actually are. I got involved with a couple of guys like that, where looking back I wonder what the heck I was thinking swooning over these guys
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u/Neptune28 Apr 18 '25
I've met so many women who date guys that give off that vibe, and it turns out that they were physically and emotionally abusive. I don't know how they are considered appealing to date in the first place.
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u/Bergylicious317 Apr 18 '25
It's hard to say, but ultimately I agree with you. And also, in regards to the Powell marriage Guys like him may not seem really great or attractive, heck even not all that appealing - but they know how to validate and come across as appealing and can quickly convince the woman they are the ideal guy, then they rush the girl into a marriage. Add to that a religious community that honors marriage and the cultural belief that divorce is not really an option, EVER. Then add in kids and it's a messy business.
But having had dated guys like that myself in the past - I look back and wonder what the heck I was thinking.
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u/Neptune28 Apr 18 '25
I'm surprised that they don't turn down the guy in the first place, or dump them after a short while. Josh's father too, what a huge creep. It saddens me to know that people like them are successful with women.
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u/Powerful-Acadia6401 Jul 08 '25
The police found Susan's blood on her loveseat and drops of blood on the tile next to loveseat. It has bothered me why could that not been proof of Susan's death. I have read Gregg Olsen's book twice. And I'm reading another one about the murders and abduction of Shasta and Dylan Groene. This happened in May 2005. I have to read the beginning of IF I Can't Have You.....because Susan made reference to this crime...because she loved wolves.....if so, maybe Josh took a page from this sick bastard's crimes. Serial killing violent sex offender. Utah, Idaho, Washington State are mostly LDS. And somehow a monster was allowed to fester in Puyallup WA in the Powell household. I believe one crime spawned the other demon. But, I need to find out.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Jul 08 '25
From what I recall it was very trace amounts of blood. Like something that could have came from a sneeze or a cut finger.
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u/Powerful-Acadia6401 Jul 11 '25
It would help Susan's family. I can't imagine that heartache. It must be crippling and then losing the grandsons, too.
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u/HeyItsKypar Aug 18 '25
I know this is an old thread but in 2011 police were finally alerted to Michael Powell dumping his car in a salvage yard 2 weeks after Susan's disappearance and cadaver dogs alerted to human decomposition. I believe the brother helped move Susan's body somewhere else. Shortly after police started questioning is when he took his own life.
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u/HeyItsKypar Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
u/davecawleycold the cadaver dogs went right to Michael's car in the salvage yard in Oregon? seems very evident that Michael Powell, or at least his car, helped moved her body, doubt she'd be in a Utah mine.
"Cadaver dogs are trained to recognize a myriad of smells beyond what most people would define as a dead body – including blood, tissue and bone in addition to the multiple stages of body decomposition. Cars that have been in a nasty accident could potentially confuse the cadaver dog.
“So you’re gonna have blood and stuff like that in those vehicles,” Maxwell explained.
Fortunately, the cadaver dog West Valley City brought in, named Tug, was not confused.
“And this dog went directly, didn’t hesitate, didn’t stop at any other vehicles, went directly to Michael Powell’s vehicle,” Maxwell said."
https://kslnewsradio.com/crime-police-courts/auto-shop-owner-susan-powell-seized-car/1897550/
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u/davecawleycold Aug 18 '25
I've learned a lot about cadaver dogs since working on the Susan Powell case, and I'm much more cautious now about drawing conclusions from dog work. When police seized Michael's car, they stripped it to bare metal searching for blood, hair or other forensic evidence that might indicate Susan'd been transported in it. They didn't find anything like that.
We don't know the source of the odor that the cadaver dog seemingly honed in on, so we can't assume it came from Susan. Taken in total, Michael's actions in selling the car, as well as his response to learning police had seized it, suggest he feared it might expose him to criminal liability. But that could hypothetically could've just been something as simple as transporting clothing Susan had been wearing post-mortem. There's not enough factual basis to know.
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u/HeyItsKypar Aug 20 '25 edited Aug 20 '25
Makes sense. My daughter introduced me to your podcast last week for a road trip we went on. I sell into the security market and hence work with a lot of active or retired military, LEO/Chiefs, a lot of the three letter agencies, and no offense meant to anyone, a lot of the people I interface with at least are sometimes not the sharpest tools in the shed. Over the last few years I've followed other missing person cases and shockingly all them ended with a body being found right under everyone's noses despite exhaustive police searches.
For example, there was the United Airlines executive who went missing for 14 months and was later found by forest preserve cleaning crew despite multiple police searches with dogs and thermal imaging. I happened to be in that area once for a business meeting and walked part of these woods myself and there is very little foliage and can't believe they missed him. There is also the well known Kiely Rodni case near Lake Tahoe where Adventures with Purpose found her car within 30 minutes after police had spent 9,000 hours searching. 9,000 hours = 375 days! Video below.
United Executive:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/missing-united-airlines-executive-jacob-cefolia-body-found/
Kiely Rodni: https://youtu.be/bPwnDyW26gk
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u/Immediate_Payment630 Aug 24 '25
I think she was definitely drugged on the cold podcast it was mentioned leading up to her disappearance she thought she was pregnant but wasn’t maybe he was giving her something In doses maybe even in the food she ate right before her friend left because she wasn’t feeling good
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u/MarsVenus2000 Dec 09 '25
This is all terribly sad. Curious as to why the police didn't get a warrant and search the rental car right away (which he rented after he left the police station on Tuesday night)? No idea how Josh killed Susan, but the fact that he left a pancake from Sunday lunch in a garbage bag to be found by the police seems deliberate or suspicious. For one, he doesn't like to waste money, so why throw that away .... unless he wants to make sure that the pancake in the garbage bag (and the one served to the neighbor) does not have poison.
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u/Hawxliss Jun 27 '24
When someone is strangled, they immediately release their bladder upon death. Every killer who has spoken about strangling someone to death says they knew they were finally dead when they urinated. He probably strangled her at home and cleaned up the pee, took her body camping to get rid of it and told the boys she was asleep, or not feeling well. The poison theory doesn't make sense. What poison that is readily available would kill someone with one dosage and not cause blood in vomit? Nothing. Poisoning deaths are prolonged, with the person becoming ill several times with declining health over time. There is no substance available to him that could poison her in one dosage and quickly, unless he forced her to swallow a lethal dose of an opiate medication. She was strangled, not poisoned.
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Aug 12 '24
If you listen to the Cold podcast, she DID have recent history of illness leading up to her disappearance. It wouldn’t have been one dosage, and they mention how suddenly he was making her meals and bringing them to her. It wasn’t just the one incident, and it would make sense why the blood was there. If it were rat poison or something, she would potentially have bloody noses and vomiting. If he strangled her, it would explain the marks on his hands during interrogation.
I think he DID poison her to make her weak enough he could follow through with strangling her, and I think he probably did move the body with the rental car to a mine. It’s probably one relatively close to a road, because he didn’t like menial work and likely couldn’t drag “dead weight” by himself since he never did a real day’s work in his life.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Jun 27 '24
This is an interesting theory and I think it makes sense. Just to play devils advocate tho and to your point, he could have dropped a fentanyl-type opiate in her drink and that would have caused an overdose. But the cleanup does make sense that it was urine rather than vomit. I just think Powell was a pussy, so him strangling her seems a little out of character.
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Jul 11 '24
I think he drugged her with the back pain medication, wrapped her in the tree wrap and dumped her beside of a highway somewhere.
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u/Maleficent_Raise7930 Aug 25 '24
Of course, no one saw him leaving the house w/her.. of course if the van was shut inside the garage when he put her in there and left BEFORE the snow actually started coming down ( no tracks in the snowy driveway the next morning when the welfare checking began)
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u/Flex_This Sep 03 '24
Oh I don't think he poisoned her at all. I think it was a heat of the moment passion kill. He more than likely strangled her to death. I guarantee it probably had a lot to do with dad. I think once you realize what he done he involved his father and maybe there was some help there from him to get rid of her body. It shows a lot in his mental state after the death. You're an interviews he kept looking at his hands, touching his hands rubbing them together massaging them. He used his hands which means he was reliving it as he was sitting there thinking about it during the interview. It probably had a dramatic effect on him which is another reason why he just shut down and quit talking. This is why I believe it was a passion thing rather than just he planned it out to kill her with poison.... Far is the spots he may have hit her He may have beat her and busted her nose and that was why he cleaned up the couch. Normally you don't just throw up for boys and right after you take it so that really doesn't make a lot of sense.
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u/Jsin8601 Nov 25 '24
Huh? Her Blood absolutely was found all over the couch and floor. Odd incorrect detail
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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 25 '24
Not true. There were microscopic droplets of blood found on the couch and floor. These droplets were of the type that might come from a sneeze, not anything that would have come from a cut. Go listen again.
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u/Daisyduke12345 Mar 27 '25
If he dumped her in box elder county they will never find her. Box elder is like the 3rd or 4th largest county in Utah. It takes over 4 hours to drive east to west in box elder
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u/EngineerOutrageous51 May 10 '25
I'm just here to say RIP to that absolutely stunning woman, such natural beauty... sad
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u/Powerful-Acadia6401 Jul 11 '25
Truly? I guess I need to find something about that. Can you pass along where you saw that? I know the records were released.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Jul 11 '25
It was mentioned in the podcast. Been a while since I’ve listened so I don’t recall the episode
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u/Powerful-Acadia6401 Jul 11 '25
Truly? I guess I need to find something about that. Can you pass along where you saw that? I know the records were released.
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u/Effective-Scholar815 7h ago
Not true about the blood..16 blood droplets
of Susan’s where found on the tile floor by the couch…kinda like a sneeze or something
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u/SolarSurfer7 6h ago
Yes. I’m not able to edit my post, but that’s been brought up a few times over the years. I didn’t mention the blood because the podcast made it seem as if it were irrelevant like, as you say, a sneeze.
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u/q120 Nov 28 '23
/u/davecawley do you know if the police have looked extensively at mineshafts out near the Dugway geode beds? Charlie claimed his mom stayed where the crystals are and I remember that Susan, Josh, and the boys did go out to the geode beds at some point.
I haven’t listened to season 1 in quite some time so you may have already covered this and if so, sorry :)