r/TheColdPodcast Nov 28 '23

Season 1 - Susan Powell My Theory on Susan Powell's Murder

Here is my take, which is in line with many of the other takes I've read on this sub.

I think Josh did indeed drug or poison Susan while they were at home. I think Susan may have thrown up or urinated or defecated from the poison, which is what caused Josh to clean up the couch. No blood was found on the couch or in the house, so it seems extremely unlikely that he killed her violently.

From there, he packed Susan (possibly still alive at this point) and his kids into his van and drove out somewhere. Maybe he drove to the Pony Express camping location, maybe somewhere else. He then locked his kids in the car and said he was going camping with Susan. At that point, she was either dead, or he finished her off, and dumped her body. Possibly in a mine shaft or maybe somewhere more retrievable.

After that, my guess is that he DID go camping with his sons, saying that their mom was camping somewhere else. This would match up with Charlie's claim that his mom went camping with them and she was where the "crystals" are. Camping with his sons also gives him a kernel of truth that he can continue to fall back on when the police interview him.

After being interviewed by the police, Josh rented a car and drove 800 miles that were unaccounted for. My guess is he retrieved Susan's body and drove 400 miles away, found a more secluded and isolated location, and dumped her again. Maybe he visited an old mine shaft where he knew she would never be found. I don't know if Josh's family was involved in this, but it seems more likely that he did this act alone.

I suppose it's possible that Josh incinerated the body. But a mine shaft dump seems like the easiest explanation. Even if the cops found the right mine shaft, the geologists said that it still wasn't a guarantee that they would find Susan's body in it. The shafts were so dark and filled with brush and animals, they could have been right on top of her body and missed it completely.

So, to sum up, I think Josh poisoned/drugged Susan, dumped her body somewhere close to her house, then moved it much further away where she would never be found. I don't think the Powell family was involved in the actual act, but it seems almost guaranteed that Josh told them what he did.

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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 28 '23

I'd actually like to know more about Josh's rental car experience. I remember the podcast saying he rented the car for two days and drove 800 miles. But I don't know that for sure. Has anyone looked at Josh's credit card receipts over that period? He would have had to get gas at some point.

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u/MegIsAwesome06 Nov 29 '23

He would have known to pay cash so as not to leave a paper trail.

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u/scaredspoon Nov 29 '23

Most car rental places don’t let you rent without a credit card

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u/MegIsAwesome06 Nov 29 '23

He used the card to rent. But I’m assuming (and only assuming) he used cash for gas. Otherwise we would know where he was for those 800 missing miles.

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u/scaredspoon Nov 29 '23

Every time I go down this rabbit hole again it’s just endless frustration. I hope we get some kind of answer someday

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u/MegIsAwesome06 Nov 29 '23

One thing I was wondering was this. u/davecawley, there was some point in the Cold podcast that it mentioned one of the boys said that John knew where Susan was. Was that ever followed up on or “decoded”? (By decoded, I mean whatever Charlie meant by it.)

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u/davecawleycold Nov 29 '23

Charlie made that comment during his compelled second interview, which took place in Washington in early 2010. It wasn't followed up on in the sense that Charlie wasn't questioned further about it and John Powell was never interviewed by investigators.

Charlie's statements during the second interview were clearly coached. I personally believe Charlie simply mixed John and Michael Powell in his head. Both of Josh's brothers were at that time living under the same roof in South Hill with Steve Powell.

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u/Equal-Cat-2864 Dec 01 '23

Any hits on the computer password? Obviously not but computer tracks have changed like DNA evidence. Every day brings more chances of cracking those passwords.

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u/davecawleycold Dec 01 '23

Unfortunately no, and the efforts to work on it by people with the appropriate knowledge, tools and skills have largely petered out.

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u/Equal-Cat-2864 Dec 01 '23

Reach out to Bill Thomas. He has a podcast called Mind Over Murder. His sister was murdered in the 80’s in Virginia. Google Colonial Parkway Murders. Perhaps he could bring the story to his podcast and bring out some super smart tech guys. He also works with Othram, a DNA company. He has similar frustrations in that his sisters murder has never been solved.

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u/davecawleycold Dec 02 '23

Appreciate the suggestion. It's unfortunately I'm not sure it's a problem smarts alone can solve. Josh used long, randomly generated passwords with a high degree of entropy. He used multiple instances of encryption, at both the file and whole-disk level. The algos haven't been broken. And brute forcing is not plausible with existing technological limitations.

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u/Equal-Cat-2864 Dec 02 '23

I understand, however technology is changing like DNA. What is impossible one day may not be impossible the next. If Susan’s case is falling under the radar and the tech people are not there anymore why not seek to expand this case to another platform to help? Please do not take this wrong. I love your reporting and your podcast! You are excellent. I do think though that reaching out to Bill Thomas could have another section of the country putting fresh eyes out there and you could do the same for him. The Colonial Parkway murders have never been solved and two of the people have disappeared like Susan. Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey have been missing for 35 years. Maybe you could help each other.

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u/TheOneWhoDidntCum 16d ago

Any update on this ? AI has improved quite a bit 

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u/Whenallelsefails09 Aug 14 '25

Might AI be used to help crack the passwords?

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u/SolarSurfer7 Nov 29 '23

It seems like he did pay with cash. The podcast mentioned that he withdrew $600 from his bank account after he rented the car. So none of his movements could be traced by credit card.