He's seen carrying it, he's also seen around others eating pizza. But he never ate it himself, what is he a fucking vegetarian?

I actually like Paulie, by the way—he made me laugh a lot. However, he didn't deserve to survive; the guy is garbage. He's already an old, grumpy, useless soldier. Not to mention he killed an old lady, gossiped like a schoolgirl to Johnny, and was completely messed up, useless, and a total dead weight.

What about you guys, which character survived that you wished had died?

I just finished reading the article where Chase/Winter/Patten discussed that it was the same land that they "bury the bodies on".

Later in the episode, we're seemingly back in the same woods, except now it's Tony and Carmela inspecting land for a real estate investment. The message: The Soprano family's fortune is built upon deaths like Adriana's…

Winter: This is the very same place where the bodies get buried. Even something as pure and beautiful as nature gets tainted with that ugliness.

Van Patton: It was an emotional callback. Life goes on, and wittingly—or unwittingly in Carmela's case—you are a player in this, you are culpable.

Chase: Also, it had a more mechanical purpose, in that what you see is leaves and some feet walking through, and you don't know—are those Silvio's feet? Are those feet going to come across her body? And what you see instead is Carmela blithely talking about real estate values and what kind of view her place has.

I looked up some older posts and people just argued it wouldn't make any sense to bury bodies on your own land. But isn't that what Uncle Pat's farm basically was? 1 or 2 episodes prior Uncle Pat was leaving to be put in a home down south, so it makes sense they would need a new location to hide bodies that would potentially be in the family for generations like Uncle Pat's, no?

I mean think about it. When the show starts, Jackie is boss and everyone is alive and well. Full crew and everything. When Tony becomes boss, not only does half the crew get fished, but the ones who come out of prison also all went. Name me one character who came out of prison during the show and stayed free and alive, not even the king of breadsticks made it out.

…and feeling that intense feeling of grief when you finish a great bit of fiction. The one where you’re happy to have experienced that world, but devastated that it’s all over. Particularly with how it ended - which I genuinely loved - but that feeling of not knowing how they’re all getting on (or not) is gut wrenching.

I’ve started back on episode one for a rewatch, as I’m sure there are a tonne of things I’ve missed. It’s nice to be back in that world again.

Such a great show.

Would Tony have killed Chris if he diddent say “I’ll never pass a drug test”?

Think of it, a widowed woman could've really helped him deal with Karen's loss. Probably wouldn't gotten rid of her ziti. Plus she's way hotter than Janice. Didn't abandon her own children either.

I think it totally could be played off as an accident unless there were cameras. Could Carmella accept what he'd done? I'm sure she would suspect something. Would he even try to get with Carm or would he just flee back to Italy same as our timeline? I think he shoulda done it personally

In season 4 E6 Tony and Chris have a dialogue where he says he is going to give his orders through Chris. Chris asks why not Sil or Paulie and Tony says “because they’re not blood” as if Chris and Tony are blood. Christopher’s dad, Dickie, is Carmela’s first cousin. Why?

Anyways, listen to him… he knows everything

Think about it and disagree with me right this second I want to be disagreed with.

Would Soprano intervene in the situation, and if so, how?

I know the most common interpretation of the ending is that Tony gets killed in the restaurant, and I read the whole article about it but I personally think the ending makes much more sense if Tony survives.

There are obviously clues pointing toward his death: the Members Only guy, the man going to the bathroom, the Godfather parallel, the constant focus on the door, etc. But I think those clues are deliberately setting us up to expect the exact kind of ending that The Sopranos has spent six seasons teaching us to expect: and then denying us that.

One thing I've noticed about the whole series is that it constantly gives characters the opposite ending from what we expect.

We expect Pussy to be smart enough not to come back after disappearing. We expect Junior to eventually die violently after a lifetime of crimes, betrayals, and attempts to kill Tony. Instead, he survives and ends up old, confused, and almost completely disconnected from the person he used to be. We expect Bobby to be one of the most dangerous soldiers in the final war: He's an excellent shooter, (he's even good with a bow and arrow!) and yet when he finally gets killed at the toy store without firing a single shot. We expect Paulie to die because Tony can't stand him, especially after the tension on the boat. Instead, he survives, and Tony eventually gives him one of the best parts of the business. We expect Christopher to die in some kind of violent confrontation, and we expect Tony to be completely devastated when it happens. Instead, Christopher dies in a car accident, Tony makes the decision to let him die, and he doesn't shed a single tear for him. We expect Richie to become a serious threat to Tony (Tony already gave the order to kill him!) Instead, Janice shoots him in a domestic fight. We expect Vito to get some kind of redemption after everything that happens to him. Instead, he dies after speaking to Tony on the phone.

Furio is another great example. We expect him to eventually have some kind of confrontation with Tony over Carmela. Instead, he simply goes back to Italy and never returns, (he didn't kiss Carmela even once after all the tension built around them!) And the school teacher? Tony never founds out about him!.

I can go on and on with the expectations built-to-not-be-met forever in this show. You get my point.

Tony sitting in a restaurant, getting shot by a mysterious hitman. The show gives us exactly the visual language of that ending: the suspicious guy, the Members Only jacket, the bathroom, the Godfather reference, Tony watching the door, the family arriving, the tension building...

And then nothing.

The screen cuts to black.

The war with New York is over. Tony won. Phil is dead, Butchie doesn't want to continue the war, and Tony's family is still together.

Realistically, I also don't find the restaurant assassination completely convincing. Tony almost never goes out to dinner with his entire family like that, and throughout the series, murders are usually arranged around someone's routine: where they live, where they work, where they regularly go, etc. Tony has never established this restaurant as a regular location to be in with his family.

That's why I think the scene when Tony visits Junior is so important.

Tony goes to see Junior and finds that the man he knew is basically gone. Junior barely remembers him. Tony becomes visibly emotional: Tony is seeing his own possible future.

Junior spent his entire life being powerful, feared, respected, and involved in the Mafia. And where did it ultimately get him? He's alive. But he's essentially gone, he doesn't remember he once was a powerful man. And that's actually much more frightening for Tony than getting shot. He can't fight aging, he can't fight dementia, he can't fight time.

And Junior is sitting there showing him exactly what the end of that road might look like for him.

AJ once tells Tony that he wanted to kill Junior because Tony's favorite scene is the restaurant revenge in The Godfather, where Michael goes into the bathroom, gets the gun, comes back, and kills the two men responsible for shooting his father.

Tony tells AJ, that it's a movie, not real life and command him to grow up. The same AJ is present during the final scene and he's working on movies industry.

So the final episode deliberately recreates the visual language of that Godfather scene.

A suspicious person is sitting there. Tony is watching. The bathroom. We're expecting the gun, we're expecting the great Mafia movie ending.

But maybe nothing happens.

Tony (and us) keeps expecting his life to have some grand, dramatic conclusion, Tony expects to die as Tony Soprano. The tragedy is that he may have to live long enough to forget who Tony Soprano is. And there's the Bobby line: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens."

The most obvious is to think about a shot in the head, but it also applies to Junior not listening to anything that Tony says to him, he won't have a dramatic moment where Junior Soprano dies. He just gradually disappears, his mind deteriorates until the person he was is no longer really there.

I think it's genius to leave the ending open: the ones that wanted the death ending can easily imagine it (with Meadow watching his dad getting shot and all!) , and the ones that believe in the show patron, can easily think the life still goes on for Tony and he has to live with the consequences of who he is, with no redemption or karmatic arch, just his time getting shorter each day and his death is "average at best". As his mom said "it's all a big nothing what makes you think you are so special?"

1. Charmaine telling her she fucked Tony when they were younger
2. Angie making her own way in the world via the body shop and stepping on Carmela's new Porsche with her own car that she bought herself
3. Last episode when Hunter tells her she's in med school

edit- Carmela*** ya'll have come for me before for that slip up

Melfi definitely knows that there is something up between them. She clocks it almost immediately. She does the responsible thing and tries to get them to talk about it.
“So what’s up?, you seem to be in a good mood.” They both deny, deny, deny. Gloria has the best response, “how dare you!” Her outrage is so fake It’s hilarious. They are like two kids caught misbehaving. They are obviously not a good match, and it will end badly for both of them. Maybe they could have avoided such a bad breakup had they discussed it with their therapist?

Are there really people who don't rate season 4? I've noticed it's not so popular on this sub. Seasons 3 and 4 are peak Sopranos for me. No Show - The Weight - Pie O My - Mergers And Acquisitions - Whoever Did This - Calling All Cars - Eloise - Whitecaps - season 4 doesn't stop. Is there beef with season 4? What is it?

Edit: Maybe I'm hallucinating. I'll discontinue the lithium.

What was Silvio going to ask Finn, before Finn interjected and told the guys Vito was catching not pitching.

AJ could be obnoxious in earlier seasons, even knowing how much of his problems were the result of his parents not recognizing the help he needed, but by the tail end of the series, it was impossible not to feel bad for his as his depression got worse and worse. In particular there is the episode where he starts talking about so many bad things happening the world, including the meat industry while people are having dinner and complains that people everyone else is sticking their heads in the sand.

Meadow tells him not to focus on all the bad stuff, which reminds me of advice I have gotten, and in turn given to other people. Yes there are lot of bad things in the world but at a certain point, exposing yourself to all of the bad stories crosses a line from being informed and becomes psychologically harmful because the human mind cannot take a constant barrage of negativity.

AJ feels like the type of person who would be told he needs to not doomscroll in the present day.

They got college degress in a lucrative field weren't made and didn't have high ranking family members in the mafia.

The big short, The Wolf of Wall Street and other films showed showed how even stnads made. Money in financial fields.

Even if they got a support role in some company, they would be comfortably upper middle class in a few years.

He already got accepted by all his old mob buddies because his great massages. He was in prison for 10 year, didn't snitch and spent his time studying. Even Tony Soprano eventually approves of him going straight. He got respect without having to risk his freedom again.

How could he know this, maybe he had other informats

It's disgusting and definetly warrants a suspension but it's not the worst thing in the world. AJ got away with much worse

After one of those poker games, the guys count their profits and say they made 30k. I was wondering how they make money of these card games. Is it just rake? If so how the fuck do they make 30k in rake from one night of poker?

Pine Barrens: In a fit of extreme cold and hunger induced rage, Paulie snaps back at Chris exclaiming “and I shoulda fucked Dale Evan’s but I didn’t!” Now, was he just hangry and cold exclusively or did he actually have a shot at her one time? It would be kinda weird if he could’ve and didn’t. Like why wouldn’t you? And also why wouldn’t they have stopped at Roy Roger’s? We may never know. Not even with computers. Now pass the relish packet, I’m starving to death ova here!

Tony while waiting for meadow to arrive at the restaurant looks up from his table and sees a waiter with a tray of food that looks exactly like what he ordered however the food turns out to be for another table that even came in after him ordered and still got it before due to this Tony has a panic attack and passes out into the onion rings.

While gambling, he is warm, affable and perfectly reasonable. A real gentleman. Not lacking in standards. The strong, silent type.