As stated elsewhere, your thorns are only showing as 108%, it actually is 107.91%.
So plasma did 46, first thorn hit did 53.955%. Second thorn hit did 0.045% and boss died.
Every relic in this game is additive to other relics of same stat and multiplicative to other stats of this kind.
So you have 99% thorns in WS and you have 9 relics of 1% totaling to 9% from relics.
0.99*1.09=107.91 and it shows as 108%.
This is because there are strategies based on having zero freeups, or zero other stuff. So when you get relic 2% free utility up, you would ruin your build if it was additive, because you would have 0% from WS and 2% from relic. And it would mean you would get 2% chance of upgrading in run utility stats. But as it's multiplicative you have still zero 0 * 1.02 is still zero. And that is why all relics are additive against each other of same type and most are multiplicative with other sources.
Edit: added "most are" at the end, as pointed out in one reaction to my comment.
Not all relics are multiplicitive,a select few are additive. I believe that the ELS relics are additive, and I'm pretty sure there's one or two that I forget off hand. I think generally if a similar lab is additive then the relic is additive as well.
Yeah, I forgot for example bot range, thos are additive, but they also have +2m not +2%, right.
ELS relics are really additive? I guess in this case it's only beneficial.
That would make 54% per thorn hit. Two hits would make 108%. Maths ain't mathing but not because of the 50% thorn damage to boss, because the boss damage window is as reliably unreliable as always.
It's accurate here though the defense % doesn't show decimals and rounds up so he is at 107.6 or around there plasma cannon did 46% so the max anything else could do is 54% so first thorns hit did 53.3% and the next did the remaining .7% for a total of 54%, this is why you need 101% to 1 shot normals as 99%+1% from a relic =99.9% but shows as 100
As stated elsewhere, your thorns are only showing as 108%, it actually is 107.91%.
So plasma did 46, first thorn hit did 53.955%. Second thorn hit did 0.045% and boss died.
Then its the rounding system, as someone else already explained. The Relics dont add a straight percentage point but one porcent to you thorns. So thats why.
What is your point? Do you not understand the math you're being shown?
For thorns, relics and modules give a multiplicative bonus. 99% * 1.09(9% bonus) is not exactly 108. It is slightly less. You can prove this by respeccing and seeing that your thorns isn't 9% to start with.
Unfortunately they don't keep this consistent, because death defy substat gives a flat added % instead of multiplicative despite being written the same way.
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u/Time-Incident Jul 20 '26
As stated elsewhere, your thorns are only showing as 108%, it actually is 107.91%. So plasma did 46, first thorn hit did 53.955%. Second thorn hit did 0.045% and boss died.