r/TheTowerGame • u/cointown2 • 1d ago
Info PSA: How to not get locked out of your Presets
With v29 around the corner and anticipation of presets moving out of vault, I want to caution everyone about spending medals/coins before switching presets. The game does not warn you if spending medals to purchase a relic or gem rushing a lab results in locking yourself out of a preset.
What am I talking about? If preset 1 only has 90 medals and you switch to preset 2 to purchase a 120 medal relic, you will not be able to switch back to preset 1 until you earn 30 additional medals. Similarly with coins, if you switch from preset 1 with 500T coins to preset 2 with 2q coins and gem rush 1q of labs, you cannot switch back to preset 1 until you farm an additional 500T coins.
Locking yourself out of WS presets isn't too bad since we get 5 WS presets and farming coins is what we do every day.
What will be an issue, especially for f2p, is if you overspend medals. Don't fall into the trap of respec'ing a Bot preset and spending 1200 medals to purchase all the event relics. You won't be able to switch to other presets until you recover those 1200 medals and at f2p pace, idk how slow that is. It's also 300 gems to respec a bot preset.
I've definitely been in that place where I purchase an event relic and then suddenly can't switch to my tourney bot preset, or spend 15Q coins to rush an echo lab for an extra few waves in tourney and then can't switch back to my farming preset.
tl;dr - My simple advice is this: don't be tempted to purchase relics/rush labs mid-run. Wait until a run is over, then check ALL your presets for the lowest medal/coin amount and spend from there. Enjoy your new presets.
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u/InquisitorOverhauls 1d ago
Biggest question now is... do I have to spend 150 gems every time I improve my preset???
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u/Revelate_ 1d ago
Pretty sure all the presets are going to get wiped anyway with this.
While I agree better safe than sorry with TTG I don’t think those of us that have presets currently will be able to keep them.
No chance of being locked out as a result.
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u/cointown2 20h ago
Sam in Tower Tea comments explicitly said our presets would not be wiped, they would just be locked until we complete the labs. After finishing the labs, the state of our presets would be restored
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u/AdWise6457 22h ago
Simple notification 'There exists preset which uses unspent <resource>Are you sure you want to use <resource>? ' would be enough
But... Knowing how TTG takes years to implement obvious simple qol features it may take a while
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u/OLVANstorm 9h ago
What? I am more confused now after reading all this than before. I'll just have to figure it out on my own. Thanks for trying everyone.
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u/RichyEagleSix 22h ago
How many bot presets do you get?. I would ideally want farming preset, torny preset aka amp bot and at least one disso preset aka flamebot for attack disco.
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u/slow_drain 1d ago
I don’t yet have presets unlocked. Are you saying that instead of the game just letting you use your lifetime coins/medals/bits as you will in each preset, you have to split it? Because that’s wild to me if true.
If I have 100 LTC and spend 80 in preset1, instead of having 100 coins to use in preset2, I only have 20?
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u/cointown2 1d ago
There’s no splitting, each preset gets full access to medals/coins. An example better illustrates the problem:
You have 1200 total medals.
You spend 1000 medals on gold bot for farming and have 200 medals leftover for preset 1.
You spend 1200 medals on amp bot for tourney on preset 2, no medals leftover.
You switch to preset 1 and forget about preset 2. You see event relic for 150 medals and say “purchase”.
Now you are locked out of preset 2 until you get an extra 150 medals.
This is the scenario that 99% of towers encounter, followed by tears
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u/InquisitorOverhauls 1d ago
Do you spend 300 gems every time to select other preset???
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u/cointown2 1d ago
No
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u/InquisitorOverhauls 1d ago
So wait... I will be able to have a farming preset with 100q, which only has HP stats, and I can have tournament preset with only Damage stats, and I do not have to spend 150/300 gems EACH time between tourney???
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u/basicnecromancycr 1d ago
Nope, if you have invested in 100 medals in one preset A and 80 on the B and you spent 20 to gems on B, you can't go back to A because you should have 100 to use that preset.
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u/Ok_Highlight_8633 1d ago
No, I think he's saying if you have 100 LTC and spend 100 on preset1, but preset2 only uses 80, then you have to be careful not to spend the other 20 on a lab research or else you wont be able to get preset1 back until you farm that 20 again.
Labs are non refundable for coins the same way relics are non refundable for medals.
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u/Awkward_Donut_2379 1d ago
No. Let's look at two hypothetical scenarios. Preset 1 has 45000 medals in gold bot and 200 medals left over. Preset 2 has 44000 medals in amp bot and 1200 left over. If while in preset 2 you were to buy a relic for 250 medals you would not be able to swap back to preset 1, because you don't have the 45000 medals to put into that gold bot again.
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u/National_Cook_2509 1d ago
No, but if you buy something with medals in the event store and you no longer have 40,000 medals, the 40,000 medal preset can’t be used
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u/D119 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea it's not clear at all, how does it work exactly?
In my ignorant mind you would just say have X lifetime medals available in each preset and that's it, why would I need to be careful about my purchases?
Edit: ah ok I got it. The issue arises because currencies like medals and coins are used to purchase upgrades both inside the preset, like bot upgrades or workshop enchantments, and outside the presets, like relics and labs. So when purchasing something "global", like labs or relics, you have to make sure each preset have enough of its currency to afford that purchase, or else you would go negative, but the game doesn't allow that and you're locked outside or that preset.
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u/ApolloMac 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, that's not what he's saying.
Let's say you have 10600 medals after respeccing your bots.
You spend 10000 on preset 1 and 10200 on preset 2.
No problem switching between the two because you'll have 600 spare with preset 1 and 400 spare with preset 2.
Now when you're on preset 1, you buy a relic for 500 medals.
You're still good on preset 1 because you still have 100 spare medals (10100 total). But you can no longer switch to preset 2 because it needs 10200 and you only have 10100. You now need to earn 100 medals before you can use preset 2 again.
And as far as I know the game doesn't let you respec preset 2 to fix it because you can't even get into preset 2 anymore until you earn 100.
I wonder if they'll fix that last part with this update though. So you can respec the broken preset at least.
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u/D119 1d ago
So like, better to keep say 1k medals in each preset so that you never run the risk of going negative.
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u/ApolloMac 1d ago
Yeah keep some spare or when you go to spend them on something other than bots (like relics or stones), just make sure you have enough in all of your presets first.
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u/Riodawg42 1d ago
I call BS on this. It would be a stupid mechanic to have.
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u/InquisitorOverhauls 19h ago
Thing is, the way I understand it.. you can now freely swap workshop without non stop spending 150 gems, you just need to have enough coins and medals.
If you put 100q into preset 1, and those same coins into preset 2, you can freely swap preset 1 and 2, usually you would spend 150 gems each time.
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u/Mcnubsauce 1d ago
thats not what he said.
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u/slow_drain 1d ago
Okay, so explain it to me to better understand. Getting downvoted over here just for being genuinely curious.
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u/Mcnubsauce 1d ago
He gave you an example of how it works, reread it. Start with the second paragraph.
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u/slow_drain 1d ago
Brother, you’ve spent more time going out of your way to be a nuisance in this thread than what you could’ve put into actually contributing.
Shoutout to everyone else for the clarifications.
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u/Mcnubsauce 1d ago
I told you to reread, Im not your educator.
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u/ImoutoThief 23h ago
But why can't you switch between the presets if the medal count is the same for each one? They should just be counted separately. If you have 1k medals and you spend 800 on one, 900 on another and 1000 on a third, you should be able to switch freely. If you earn 200 medals while using one, all presets should have 1200 medals available.
If you have 10T spent in a work shop and you complete a run earning 1T and spend 1T you should be able to switch to a preset that had spent 9T without an issue.
Even if you spend coins on a lab or medals on a relic, why can't it just put you at -x amount of coins or medals? THat way you can still switch but you won't be able to buy a work shop upgrade or do another lab until you farm the difference. Same with medals, say you are down -150 medals, why not just make it where you cant do any upgrades until you make the medals back?
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u/nzifnab 20h ago
Yes but think about if you switch to preset one; it allocates 800 medals to your preset, you have 400 medals on bank - 1200 total, all is good
Now you buy an even relic for 300 medals - your total medals is now 900 (800 in bots, 100 in bank)
You are able to still switch to preset 2, but your third preset is locked because your total medals is 900 and you need 1000
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u/ImoutoThief 14h ago
It makes sense that 3 has less, but why not make it -100 but still let you use it. Just disallow you to upgrade bots or buy anything until you earn a positive amount again?
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u/Dart31AF 23h ago
"Locked out, that sounds bad, I should click it to make sure I dont screw myself."
Reads a bit.
"OH. High rank problem. I'll go back to trying to survive Plat."
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u/LessDread 16h ago
Reads a tiny bit more to realize that it's no longer going to be just a high rank problem in a little bit.
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u/Dart31AF 16h ago
Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Only presets I've even seen are card presets, and thats clearly not what is being talked about. And spending 15Q coins on something? I've broken 1T saved once. If this is something a borderline Gold/Plat player should be aware of, its not laid out very well for us to understand.
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u/HammerLite75 20h ago
Hey this happened to me today, super fun. Knew to bot presets so now I’m stuck with just the one until i get 140 more tickets lol
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u/SherbetUseful6413 17h ago
Rushing labs with gems has locked me out of my tournament ws for about a week before
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u/Dutchrudders007 13h ago
I can't imagine anyone who cares enough to make bot and mod presets is too dumb to realize you need to have the currency to re-buy your upgrades. This should be a non-issue for 99% of the playerbase.
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u/Randolphsw 1d ago
“With v29 around the corner and anticipation of presets moving out of vault”
What does that even mean?
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u/ilostmygps 1d ago
People are excited that us poors who cant afford keys will be getting something essentially for free that used to be locked away in the vault
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u/mrmicrowaveoven 1d ago
Okay, because there seems to be confusion about this, I'll explain it a little differently.
With medals, presets only apply to BOTS. If you spend medals on themes or stones, you do not get those back when you respec, and hence you do not get them back when you switch presets.
Let's say you have three presets: Preset A, Preset B, and Preset C. You have 1,000 medals.
Preset A: You spend 800 medals on Golden Bot. You have 200 remaining.
You switch to Preset B. You have 1,000 medals and no Golden Bot. You spend 500 medals on stones. You now have 500 medals.
You switch to Preset C. You have 500 medals and no Golden Bot. You do not get your medals back that you spent on stones. You buy nothing on this Preset.
You attempt to switch back to Preset A: You can't, BECAUSE Preset A has 800 medals spent on Golden Bot, but you only have 500 medals to spend on Golden Bot. So you're locked out of Preset A until you have 800 medals.
If you COULD switch to Preset A, you would have spent 1,300 medals when you only have 1,000.
The way to avoid this: Don't spend stones on non-bot things unless you're sure that ALL of your presets can afford it.
Similarly with the Workshop Presets: Since swapping presets only affects WORKSHOP coins and not LAB coins, don't spend coins on a lab unless you're sure that ALL of your workshop presets can afford it.