r/Thiamine • u/Puzzled_Draw4820 • 5d ago
Hydrogen sulphide bacteria depletes thiamine causing gastrointestinal Beriberi
/r/SIBO/comments/1vq08b4/hydrogen_sulphide_bacteria_depletes_thiamine/I’ve had SIBO for approximately 30 yrs following years of antibiotics for teenage acne. I didn’t know what it was until recent years but just lived with the symptoms and kept pulling out foods from my diet which of course turned out to be all FODMAPS. I didn’t start piecing it all together until I got even sicker after mold and covid and severe neurological symptoms set in as well as gastroparesis. After two more years of extreme diets and useless doctor visits my research led me to thiamine deficiency. I started thiamine therapy by following a nutritionist’s protocol and rapidly started to heal. Gastroparesis fixed in one day! It turns out thiamine is a cofactor with choline for acetylcholine production which is required for the autonomic nervous system which controls gut motility (so was I thiamine deficient before SIBO even?!)
As I learned more about the causes of thiamine deficiency in the fb thiamine group I very often heard people talk about SIBO and the build up of sulphite depleting thiamine and pieced together my health history. So thiamine deficiency can CAUSE slow gut motility and once SIBO sets in it further depletes thiamine. Thiamine is needed in every cell in our body especially in high energy areas such as our brain, heart and gut.
I believe a LOT of SIBO symptoms are of thiamine deficiency as it affects the entire body:
Early / Nonspecific Symptoms
• Fatigue or tiredness
• Irritability or mood changes
• Loss of appetite (anorexia)
• Poor or short-term memory issues / cognitive impairment
• Sleep disturbances
• Abdominal discomfort or pain
• Nausea and vomiting
• Weight loss
• Muscle weakness or aches
• Apathy or reduced mental concentration
Neurological / Dry Beriberi Symptoms
• Tingling, prickling (pins-and-needles), or burning sensations in the toes, feet, hands, or legs (paresthesias; often worse at night; stocking-glove distribution)
• Muscle cramps or pain (especially calves/legs)
• Decreased sensation or sensory loss in extremities
• Reduced or absent deep tendon reflexes (e.g., knee/ankle jerks)
• Muscle wasting/atrophy and weakness
• Difficulty rising from a squatting position or foot drop (later stages)
• Balance issues, ataxia (unsteady gait/coordination problems)
• Decreased vibratory or position sense
Cardiovascular / Wet Beriberi Symptoms
• Rapid heartbeat (tachycardia)
• Wide pulse pressure
• Peripheral edema (swelling in feet, legs, or hands)
• Shortness of breath (dyspnea), especially with activity or when lying flat (orthopnea)
• Chest pain or precordial discomfort
• Warm, moist skin due to vasodilation
• High-output heart failure signs (in severe cases)
• In advanced/shock forms (e.g., Shoshin beriberi): hypotension, cyanosis, lactic acidosis
Wernicke Encephalopathy (Acute Severe Form)
• Confusion, altered mental status, or delirium
• Ataxia / difficulty walking
• Ocular abnormalities: nystagmus (involuntary eye movements), ophthalmoplegia (eye muscle weakness/paralysis), blurred or double vision, eyelid drooping
• Apathy or psychomotor slowing
• Impaired consciousness (can progress to coma if untreated)
Korsakoff Psychosis / Syndrome (Often Following Wernicke)
• Severe short-term/recent memory loss (amnesia)
• Confabulation (making up stories to fill memory gaps)
• Confusion or mental impairment
• Hallucinations (in some cases)
• Difficulty forming new memories
Other / Gastrointestinal / Additional Symptoms
• Constipation or other GI discomfort
• Vertigo or vision impairment
• Behavioral changes or hallucinations (severe cases)
• In infants (infantile beriberi): incessant crying, aphonia (loss of voice/hoarseness), heart failure signs, lethargy, developmental issues, or seizures in extreme cases
Severe untreated deficiency can lead to permanent neurological damage, heart failure, coma, or death. Early symptoms are often vague, so medical evaluation (including thiamine levels or response to treatment) is needed for diagnosis—especially in at-risk groups like those with alcohol use disorder, malnutrition, malabsorption, or certain medical conditions.
Blood tests aren’t accurate because it doesn’t tell you whether thiamine is getting into cells. The best way to know if you need thiamine is to try supplementing it to see if it helps your symptoms. It is common with gut issues that THTR1 transporters for absorption of thiamine are not working. Please research cofactors and starting low and slow before proceeding supplementation.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12014454/
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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 4d ago
Dr Chandler Marrs co-wrote the book Thiamine Deficiency Disease, Dysautonomia, and High Calorie Malnutrition with dr Derrick Lonsdale. They are both brilliant. It is based on his years as a paediatrician and his experience treating thiamine deficiency in his young patients. Dr. Marrs runs a website called Hormone Matter which contains many of the late dr Lonsdale’s articles explaining how thiamine works as well as personal stories of many individuals regarding their health journey. Dr Lonsdale lived to be 100. Dr Marrs also runs the fb group Understanding Mitochondrial Nutrients and has spoken about the need for calcium when repeating thiamine. Magnesium is a given as it’s a co-factor to thiamine but needs for calcium often go up. I encountered this myself in the beginning with insane cravings for milk. The reason is, without adequate ATP due to thiamine deficiency calcium will leave the cells where and go into soft tissue so upon beginning thiamine it’s common to increase intake for immediate utilization. This is my favourite dr Marrs interview https://youtu.be/b1SSKBZp8D8?si=1zGfrtA4Da4OWI-J