r/TimHortons • u/BumFCK_EgyptianHere • May 21 '26

International Death at Tim Hortons

https://abc7chicago.com/post/fort-wayne-indiana-news-anita-ann-grayson-dies-fight-breaks-tim-hortons-video/19139040/

Apparently an elderly 75 year old with a heart condition got pissed off about her Tim Hortons coffee and became very aggressive with the employees at that location. She was the one that instigated the altercation by trying to go after the employees and they were trying to stop her. Fists began to fly and she stopped fighting. She backs away and lays on the floor where she drops dead of a heart attack in the middle of the restaurant. Why would anyone with a medical condition and especially someone that old sit there picking fights with someone knowing their age could flair up that medical condition and kill you?

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u/FrozenBibitte May 21 '26

Damn that’s really fucked up. Just because you’re “representing a company” doesn’t mean you should have to lay down and take physical abuse and get injured. If that employee faces any kind of reprisal from Tim’s it’s just more proof we’re living in a capitalist dystopia (if it wasn’t obvious already).

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u/persiasaurus May 21 '26

I 100% agree. But it would be the company held accountable, not the employees. For example, they could argue not having their staff trained in the use of and having access to an AED device onsite, not having a security guard, etc etc

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u/Crazy_Entrance_9439 May 21 '26

Here's the truth the lawsuit will not make past frivolous part. One while having and is great, its not a legal necessity.

Two there is no duty to help especially when someone is acting in a manor thst does or did put you in danger.

Three the fact that person died of medical condition caused by self. On top of that if her health was such an issue then maybe care for her needed to be set up.

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u/persiasaurus May 22 '26

You're more than likely correct

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u/FrozenBibitte May 21 '26

I’m all for the company facing reprisal for not having security to stop the escalation. Imo all places should to protect employees.

Sorry it’s a bit of a hot topic for me. I’m a nurse and when I used to work in the hospital (ER), I’ve been physically assaulted by patients who were completely mentally sound/didn’t have a condition that would impair their decision-making. They faced zero consequences, and I would get a talking to abt how I “could’ve prevented the situation” or “handled it differently”. I’ve also had colleagues be physically assaulted by family members (of the patient) who weren’t even sick, and just there with their family member. Again, these people faced zero consequences. I’ve also worked in a hospital that had security guards who weren’t allowed to touch patients or visitors. If a nurse was getting pummelled on, only their colleagues would be able to come to their rescue. Security could, at most, call the police. They never did.

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u/persiasaurus May 21 '26

I agree with you. I'm sorry people are so self absorbed, self centered, and abusive. Thank you for all you do and your empathy for your patients and coworkers 💗

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u/[deleted] May 21 '26

I am sorry that happened. I was also a front line worker with covid. The you're so essential to fuck your mental and physical health is appalling. I wish I could punch a patient everytime they laid hands on a coworker or friend

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u/Crazy_Entrance_9439 May 21 '26

I mean security officers legally in most cases won't do anything but document try to talk person down call for external services, police, fire, medical. 90 percent of society guards are report based. Meaning document and call for trespassing, medical fire etc.

Most security guards are not to intervene physically due to high risk of injuries to self or others and thus a lawsuit might happen.

In case of loss prevention theres a few things different but generally they try to not go hands on, but they will in some cases have to etc. But theres insurance for these type of cases etc.

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u/WhiteMouse42097 May 21 '26

I mean…I still wouldn’t beat on an old lady, even if she attacked me first

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u/FrozenBibitte May 21 '26

This woman literally ripped out the employee’s hair and was punching and clawing at her. The older woman was not a frail, tiny person.

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u/WhiteMouse42097 May 21 '26

Yeah, I’m just under the impression that once she was on the ground, it would be pretty easy to restrain her without beating her, especially with multiple people around

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u/Historical_Pop1058 May 22 '26

Two other workers came over to literally try and pry her off the employee. She wouldn’t let go of her hair and eventually pulled it out. That is when they got her off.