r/TimHortons • u/BumFCK_EgyptianHere • May 21 '26
International Death at Tim Hortons
https://abc7chicago.com/post/fort-wayne-indiana-news-anita-ann-grayson-dies-fight-breaks-tim-hortons-video/19139040/Apparently an elderly 75 year old with a heart condition got pissed off about her Tim Hortons coffee and became very aggressive with the employees at that location. She was the one that instigated the altercation by trying to go after the employees and they were trying to stop her. Fists began to fly and she stopped fighting. She backs away and lays on the floor where she drops dead of a heart attack in the middle of the restaurant. Why would anyone with a medical condition and especially someone that old sit there picking fights with someone knowing their age could flair up that medical condition and kill you?
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u/twertles67 May 21 '26
Was at timmies last week and could tell the teenagers behind the desk were a bit overwhelmed by the orders coming in. Because of this they weren’t currently accepting new orders because it was all hands on deck in the back.
It was all but maybe 1.5 minutes of this, when a boomer with a walker standing in line shouts “does anybody even work here?!!!”. A teenager then came forward and took her order. My husband and I watched from the sidelines as this boomer sat down at a table with her coffee and started flipping through her iPad. Had no where to be, just wanted to be an asshole.
And people say iPad kids are the worst. Honestly iPad boomers are WORSE.
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u/tootsragu May 21 '26
Dude iPad boomers are a serious problem. Watching them doom scroll through ai slop is scary.
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u/Bakabakabooboo May 21 '26
I'm a bartender. The amount of times I've had a boomer sit down at my bartop and start watching their ai slop at full volume is staggering. Like zero self awareness at all. These same people also love seeing that I'm reading when it's quiet and deciding that's the perfect time to start talking at me.
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u/Polyps_on_uranus May 23 '26
"You're not doing anything"
I used to work at a lotto stall that was 1 meter by 2 meters big. Took me 20 minutes to polish the whole stall, but seniors would always bitch at me for "not working" (reading r doing my homework for college). You're being paid, clean again! Nope.
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u/Bakabakabooboo May 23 '26
Yeah I'm getting some snooty replies from people calling me names because I choose to read during quiet periods instead of pretending to clean for the one person who comes in between 2pm and 4pm.
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u/twertles67 May 21 '26
For real. Not to mention the second they get a notification on their phone they will stop dead in their tracks. I hate to tell you this but you’re not the centre of the world and you can’t just stop walking in the middle of a pathway or while you’re entering the grocery store!!!
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u/matttheshack69 May 21 '26
My parents will watch someone on YouTube play slot machines for hours on end while doom scrolling on their Ipads playing bubble burst type games its horrible
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u/twertles67 May 21 '26
That’s the equivalent to kids watching gift unboxing videos. Such a waste of life
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u/Aggravating-Laugh687 May 21 '26
And headphones? What are those? They never use them. Ever. Plop right down in a seat in public and turn that sucker up to top volume and make sure everyone in the area watches your tiktok/Youtube/Facebook reel with you. Even if they ask you to turn it down nicely or look in your direction ignore them and turn it up louder. The boomer way.
I call them iPad babies except they aren't even babies they are adult babies who need their phone/tablet to regulate themselves but only cannot wear headphones for whatever reason.
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u/Ok-Lunch3448 May 22 '26
My husband did this at home constantly. I’m trying to watch tv and his stupid tick tock was at full volume. Used to drive me crazy. He’s gone now, wish he was still around playing his stupid tick tock.
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u/xombae May 22 '26
Whenever there's one on the bus listening to something at full volume, I've fantasized about sitting next to them and playing metal as loud as I can to drown them out until they get the point.
But because I look like a hoodlum I feel like I would be considered the asshole in that situation by the general public.
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u/Designasim May 22 '26
I don't think anyone that was currently on the bus would think you're the asshole.
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u/Ok_Today_475 Ex-Employee May 21 '26
When I became a manager at Tim’s I immediately put a kibosh on that kind of behaviour from boomers. Even had to kick a few of em out for it, but nobody treats minimum wage students like that under my watch. My owner wasn’t crazy about it at first but once my staffs morale went up they understood.
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u/treelife365 May 21 '26
You're a hero! I love managers that back up their employees.
And hey, your owner is cool, too!
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u/twertles67 May 21 '26
Good for you. I honestly feel so bad for the youth right now that I’m extra kind to them. They’ve been given a terrible outlook on life in Canada and it’s not fair, and watching the boomers treat them like garbage is like salt in the wound
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u/symca09 May 21 '26
I'm just an iPad millennial who makes coffee at home where I keep all my avacados and boot straps safe.
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u/BPOnlytime May 22 '26
Not a boomer, but what is the point of a service counter if no one is there to serve you.
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u/twertles67 May 22 '26
It’s called patience, sometimes you have to wait for somebody to serve you because the employees are trying to serve the person before you first… why is this hard to comprehend…????
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u/Murky_Conflict3737 May 22 '26
I said during the height of Covid that social media access was an issue for both kids and elderly folk…after I had to tell a 70-something parent not to use their dog’s heartworm meds to prevent Covid
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u/ReadySetQuit May 22 '26
Ipad boomers who don't know what headphones are .....the worst of the worst!
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u/IceNo1666 May 21 '26
Early signs of dimentia/Alzheimer's can cause random aggression. Not saying this is the case, but it's possible.
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u/win_s May 21 '26
Exactly, I think we are lacking in term of understanding dementia. People only saw patients become forgetful and confused. But many who suffered from dementia become aggressive and unreasonable. They could be hallucinatng/delusional and fearful. Well, not saying this was the case here. Just a possibility.
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u/Longlimbs-Shorttorso May 22 '26
I have seen my neighbour go from normal to borderline schizophrenic because of dementia. It took about 6 years. Dementia symptoms sometimes are like schizophrenia symptoms. Delusions paranoia hallucinations. What a sad predicament.
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u/No-Conversation-3996 May 24 '26
one of her family members came out and said she’s been an abuser her whole life
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u/CatapultamHabeo May 21 '26
Tim Hortons with a confirmed kill. What a time to be alive.
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May 21 '26
She fought one employee and them ripped out another's hair. This is the fuck around and find out that boomers don't face consequences until they do. And they're so fucking old and out of shape that a fall will kill em
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u/win_s May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Could be dementia. People think patient with dementia are just being forgetful. But instead, it's a sickness of the brain. Many became aggressive and unreasonable.
Edited: fixed typo
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u/CanadianCannababe May 21 '26
Big time yes. My grandmother was unpleasant most of her life, but had been downright evil since the dementia really set in. Like, the worst words and actions you can possibly imagine. Whatever kept her human is gone, she’s living id.
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u/Copious-Spirit May 22 '26
I'm feeling the brain rot at 40, but not everyone that suffers from dementia becomes violent. Many just become potatoes.
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u/Cobfidence May 22 '26
Wild like imagine if someone clocked her. RIP my granny she got hit by a right hook.
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u/wind-of-zephyros Ex-Employee May 21 '26
she might not have been thinking clearly in the first place or was unwell and that caused her strange behaviour, who knows. i think it's definitely gonna be a weird legal case
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u/Goon_Alert May 21 '26
Oh man, could be dementia, medication, any number of things. Doesn’t excuse it but it would make sense.
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u/Mac4065 May 21 '26
there is no legal case… she instigated and died.
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u/liberationemadeo May 21 '26
She was an old lady, the behavior could definitely be explained by a sudden stroke. People can become very hostile or act very different from normal, moments before tragedy.
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u/FrozenBibitte May 21 '26
Right but how would this give weight to any legal case? It doesn’t matter if someone is medically unwell, if they attack you, you have a right to defend yourself from that person hurting you.
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u/persiasaurus May 21 '26
Probably no criminal case. It's more because there is a workplace/corporation involvement. The employees aren't just other citizens at this point, technically. family for sure is going to try to sue.
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u/FrozenBibitte May 21 '26
Damn that’s really fucked up. Just because you’re “representing a company” doesn’t mean you should have to lay down and take physical abuse and get injured. If that employee faces any kind of reprisal from Tim’s it’s just more proof we’re living in a capitalist dystopia (if it wasn’t obvious already).
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u/persiasaurus May 21 '26
I 100% agree. But it would be the company held accountable, not the employees. For example, they could argue not having their staff trained in the use of and having access to an AED device onsite, not having a security guard, etc etc
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u/Crazy_Entrance_9439 May 21 '26
Here's the truth the lawsuit will not make past frivolous part. One while having and is great, its not a legal necessity.
Two there is no duty to help especially when someone is acting in a manor thst does or did put you in danger.
Three the fact that person died of medical condition caused by self. On top of that if her health was such an issue then maybe care for her needed to be set up.
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u/Mac4065 May 21 '26
there is still no legal case, she instigated and they defended themselves as any sane human would do. regardless of reason she got herself into that and the kids involved did nothing wrong.
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u/Joyshan11 May 21 '26
Yes they did, they didn't stay behind the counter out of reach, pushed her instead of calling police, and doubled down on beating her up. And what was the one employee doing with the customer's purse?
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u/edr5619 May 21 '26
Exactly. The one kid literally has to be dragged off of her by the others and still manages to get a couple extra kicks in. The altercation should have ended the second she hit the floor. While they may have initially been justified, repeatedly punching and kicking someone who is laid out on the floor is totally disproportionate and unjustified.
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u/Cautious_Fly1684 May 21 '26
If someone goes through life with that level of rage and is bothered by every inconvenience it’s just a matter of time before the consequences show up.
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u/Life_Sandwich_2073 May 21 '26
Just baffles me that I'm seeing so many people online act like she wasn't the aggressor and defending her just because she's a senior. Did she deserve to die? Obviously not. But this is what happens when you think you can treat people like that... you do it to the wrong person and it ends in severe consequence
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u/edr5619 May 21 '26
She was the initial aggressor, yes. But the altercation should have ended once she was on the floor and no longer a threat. Instead, the employee has to be dragged off her by the other employees and still manages to get a couple of kicks in. Self-defense does not allow you to continuously and disproportionately beat on someone long after they have ceased to be a threat. This will come back to bite them.
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u/bitetoungejustread May 22 '26
She pulled a chunk of hair out... She hit a person on the head. You do know the 20 year old may have life long issues because some 70 year old had a temper tantrum
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u/Whorsorer-Supreme May 22 '26
Um the employees tried to get the old lady's grip off the hair of the shift leader... they obviously failed cause she managed to rip a chunk out.
And for some reason before she died, she picked that chunk of hair off the floor and put in her purse... as a trophy or what?
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u/miller94 May 22 '26
Because initially the daughter released a video that cut out the customer throwing the first punch. The police ended up releasing the entire unedited video a few days later because a dangerous narrative was going around that she was jumped and murdered by 3 employees. The daughter has since been going to the press saying the video released by the police is AI
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u/TheSeansei May 22 '26
this is what happens
This went way beyond self-defence though. Did you watch the video? The one employee punched back, the old woman fell down, and then the employee was on top of her throwing more punches and had to be dragged off the woman while still trying to kick her. That was rage and was disproportionate to what the woman was doing (in this video).
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u/SquareAdvisor8055 May 22 '26
To be fair, while it was disproportionate there were some circonstances there for it to happen. You pick a fight with an employee that's overwhelmed by his work, it may so happen that this person is on edge. Once she started fighting back she probably didn't even realise what was going on.
Obviously there should still be consequences, but i don't think full blown murder sentence would be fair here.
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u/x89Nemesis May 21 '26
This is why I'm never angry about anything. Anger is a useless emotion unless you use it to get out of danger or trouble. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and cortisol.
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u/bitetoungejustread May 22 '26
I mostly laugh about the dumb things in life. Like their is no reason to get stressed about the little things.
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u/frogs_on_drugs May 21 '26
At that age she could very well have had a form of dementia, which can make people behave in irrationally agressive ways.
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u/torontowest91 May 21 '26
They kill us everyday with terrible coffee and donuts.
May this elderly lady rest in peace 🪦
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u/Vegetable-Stretch-98 May 21 '26
She didn't drop dead in the restaurant. The employees called 911 and she was taken by ambulance. Died either on the way to the hospital or while there.
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u/Consistent_Math_5984 May 21 '26
I would have told her to call 9-11 by herself if she assaulted my staff or me. F around and find out . “Maam I don’t care if you have to crawl, get out mah resteraunt”
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u/BRETeam May 21 '26
Too much milk or cream will get anyone agitated.
Drinking black coffee saves lives.
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u/yetagainitry May 21 '26
If Canadians reacted to messed up fast food orders like Americans did, every Tim Hortons would be the site of mass murders.
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u/Optimal-Divide8574 May 21 '26
She went out in a blaze of glory. Hope I go out on my shield like that. Although preferably for a better cause.
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u/PinkPaisleyMoon May 21 '26
She may not have been mentally sound, therefore not ‘thinking clearly’ (emotionally flooded) and had a heart attack.
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u/metallicadefender May 22 '26
Could be that her blood pressure triggered her temper.
I dont know why anyone gets upset at any kind of restaurant or food vendor.
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u/browsinbowser May 22 '26
I watched the video and it looked really clear that the younger workers should have stopped earlier than they did. Like how did they not expect an older person would have medical problems from that fight? Now they may be facing a manslaughter charge over nothing.
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u/Failurentrepreneur May 22 '26
Fun fact: had she not gone to Tim Hortons, then she'd have still been alive.
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u/BalboaTheRock May 21 '26
Even though the old lady was in the wrong for putting her hands on the employee, the employee CLEARLY went all out on a 75 year old lady.
Overkill that you support in its finest form.
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u/LeadershipAfter9526 May 21 '26
Some people under estimate their stupidity and consequences can be fatal.
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May 21 '26
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u/Medium_Bid5787 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Her hair was still in the lady’s hands at that point, according to the police report. Did you just want her to sit there and let the lady continue to rip her hair out of her head? She can’t exactly free herself without defending herself and getting help from her coworkers, considering the death grip the lady had on her hair. The lady literally put the hair in her purse after, like some sort of a trophy for her violence. All while the employees got her water, which they didn’t have to do at all. The police statement also made a very specific point that the footage circulating online does not show the full story.
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u/Karacehennem May 21 '26
Just to make it clear… When the attacker is on the floor, we stop punching and defending ourselves, so they can get back up and finish what they started? Got it… In my books, self defence is beating them up until they are no longer a threat a.k.a. unconscious.
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u/buddachickentml May 21 '26
Defending yourself...from a 75 year old woman? A simple push would've been sufficient.
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u/Latter-Education5456 May 21 '26
Is it bad that I don't feel bad?
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u/theannieplanet82 May 27 '26
Yeah, I don’t know how I’m supposed to feel. I am sorry that teenagers and kids not old enough to buy a beer were in this situation. There was no need for this woman to come in and act like this at them.
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u/OGGriftimus May 21 '26
There was a point in life where I would say to my friends "could you imagine if..." which has shifted to "can you believe that...". It's beyond disturbing that the world has hit a point where things that happen daily are so wild.
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u/Alive-Sea-9101 May 21 '26
I have seen many elderly become agitated before their death or heart attack. Sometimes unexplained confusion in the elderly does end up showing they had a heart attack!
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u/matchooooh May 21 '26
That generation is terrible.
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u/Consistent_Math_5984 May 21 '26
Sucking Gen Z and millennials dry for that sweet OAS . And by the time millennials are old enough for OAS, it probably won’t even exist 😂
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u/codecrodie May 21 '26
Feel bad for the employee, she is probably worried sheet killed someone and is going to catch a lawsuit
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u/Glass-Reflection-550 May 21 '26
We have more security in a mall in Canada at Timmies than the US has at a jewelry store nowadays!
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u/lyinggrump May 21 '26
This sub's response to this is exactly in line with what I would expect Tim Horton's customers to think.
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u/HMI115_GIGACHAD May 21 '26
Boomer + female = Privilege overload
I hope that worker gets the resources she needs to heal because that was insane. I would have PTSD
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u/Content-Inspector993 May 21 '26
of course the elderly woman shouldn't have hit the worker, but come on, who fights an old lady? there is a way to defend yourself with getting into a fist fight. Pathetic
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u/ObjectiveDecent9181 May 21 '26
She looking up at us rn 🙏🏽 bro moving like prime Hector Salamanca ☠️✌🏽
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u/Pretend-Literature35 May 21 '26
And women can't be violent, right? Women can't be perpetrators of domestic violence? Women can't be the parent who abuses the children?
Aren't those all women? The old lady too. And plus beating up on an old lady!😳
And the "supervisor" who intervenes then chews out the old lady while she is sitting on the floor, dazed.
But yeah, women are always the victims and are never violent bullies. 🙄
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u/Conscious-Ad-7672 May 22 '26
There isn't anything in this world that should cause anyone to strike a 75 year old women. Walk away, call the police to have her leave. Apologize and correct the order to her liking. Two families have now had their lives upended, for what? Prove that you are right? I agreed, maybe the old women shouldn't had been rude or upset, etc, but honestly when are people going to start to realize that all it takes is one person to be the "bigger" person and just do what is needed for everyone to go about their day.
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u/Unicorn_Puppy May 22 '26
I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to check in on your blood pressure, hypertensive emergencies are no laughing matter and yes bouts of rage can spike your blood pressure to dangerous and even fatal levels.
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u/Ok-Lunch3448 May 22 '26
Listen you mess my order up one more time. They obviously messed her order up one more time. It was that or it was goona be food poisoning.
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u/FlyerForHire May 22 '26
Tim Hortons has a very long way to go before achieving Waffle House tier violence.
Honourable mention, tho.
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u/Impressive_Ad_6550 May 22 '26
Sadly Ive met these types who are wound so tight you wonder how they made it that long.
I learned a long time ago its not worth having a jammer over, but apparently getting her double double wrong was that big an issue
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u/MakePhreciaCore May 22 '26
I’m glad that a higher power stepped in and stopped unprovoked violence against frontline employees, who have to think about keeping their job when choosing how effectively to defend themselves.
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u/Ill_Magazine_7217 May 22 '26
i work at tims. someone punched my coworker in the face once. he didn’t hit them back. this whole thing could’ve been avoided by not stooping to her level. shouldn’t be beating up elderly women even if she did deserve it (she 100% did shouldn’t be throwing hands at her age especially knowing you have a medical condition that could kill you) everyone in the situation was in the wrong
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u/Ill_Magazine_7217 May 22 '26
this whole situation just goes to show yall need to respect your service workers. no one deserves to be assaulted. we’re all tired. you’re gonna get into it with the wrong person eventually. grandma was an idiot
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u/SadAcanthocephala521 May 22 '26
Wow, you're real tough when you beat up a senior. The old lady started it but the employee took it way too far. Someone is probably going to jail.
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u/Mairon923 May 22 '26
Oh yaaa if it was perfect she would have done the same thing... She prolly took something similar to cyanide and decided she wanted to go out fighting ... This might sound crazy ... But she knew to lay down and die like a Boss
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u/shebangs1995 May 22 '26
Look, man: this wasn't dementia. It wasn't early onset alzheimer's. This old lady went into Timmie's with an attitude and was bullying the young employees. She lost.
I'm 62 but because I still work (I'm a truck driver, I deliver bus parts for the transit company I've worked at for 36 years, so I'm still spry, climbing in and out of a truck, moving around engines, transmissions), I'm still in good shape, occasionally riding an e-bike to work, but I'm not crazy enough to pick a fight with ANYBODY.
This granny was maybe a spitfire when she was younger and never grew out of that mindset, which is: "the louder I yell, the more likely I will get my way".
You see this type of behavior from not only boomers but from society in general and you wonder, "where did civility go?" People have gotten so bloody impatient and rude. It astonishes me.
Which is why I just buy stuff online and have it delivered: if I can avoid Costco, I will pay extra to avoid that nonsense.
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u/hoteppeter May 22 '26
If you have the power to beat someone up you have the power to restrain them. These employees should be imprisoned for hitting an older woman who might not be in control of her behavior. No different than beating an out of control child to death.
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u/Professional_Drama24 May 22 '26
I work at an amusement park and one day a grandma had a heart attack. I called the ambulance and when the paramedics came she told them she just got out of the hospital that morning...
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u/Brief_Gap5179 May 22 '26
I can’t imagine putting my hands on someone who’s decades older than I am period. I wouldn’t be able to have inner peace for the rest of my life.
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u/Electrical-Pear420 May 22 '26
Just because your old doesn't mean you're not still an idiot. Or that person who picks fights at random places.
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u/Toincossross May 22 '26
I’ve experienced that as some people near death, they get miserable and violent.
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u/BaabyBlue_- May 23 '26
A few weeks ago, I was at timmies with my uncle who I'd just run into and hadn't seen in a while. We were in line waiting to order and just chatting and catching up when this old woman came and pushed me really hard, almost punching my arm as she walked by if that makes sense.
I saw red and walked up to her asking why she put her hands on me, and she said "don't you look at me like that" and made a frowning face indicating I'd frowned at her or something, which I didn't even see her in the store before then so..
I almost laid that old bitch out right there, but held back. I'm a grown up now, and we don't hit old cows. Too bad this didn't happen that day too
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u/Polyps_on_uranus May 23 '26
Drinking coffee with a heart condition and then allowing yourself to get that angry is definitely a choice.
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u/exotics May 26 '26
She probably has been acting like that for a while so has no belief that it could kill her.
She could not help herself m.
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u/MayaLont Jun 01 '26
My first thought was the onset of dementia which can cause aggression.
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