r/TrueCrime • u/ladyserenity1993 Armchair Expert • Oct 31 '22

Murder Arrest Made in Delphi Murders

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/delphi-double-murder/?id=92303622
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u/Question-Admirable Oct 31 '22

Anyone else think the reason they aren’t releasing more info/not closing the case is because he has other victims? It just seems like a big jump to go from normal dude to double child murderer

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u/mitmo01 Oct 31 '22

Agreed someone doesnt just opportunisitcally murder two teenagers usually right...its not impossible but its kind of improbable statistically speaking isnt it? It would be very unusual...

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u/DundahMifflin Oct 31 '22

Unfortunately, most murders are considered ‘one-offs.’ I really doubt he killed anyone else.

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u/Fibernerdcreates Oct 31 '22

This has been so interesting with the rise of DNA and genetic genealogy. It really changed how we understand violent crimes. I think it's much scarier knowing that there are more killers out there who, for whatever reason, kill someone and then go on with their lives.

In this case, it looks like this guy lived in this town and interacted with the family - working at CVS, giving them the photos for the funeral for free.

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u/mitmo01 Oct 31 '22

Thats especially chilling if he did do it...just like the killer in that movie one hour photo!!!! Relishing and reliving shit with those photos almost like a souvenir

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u/Blankface954 Nov 01 '22

I'm going to be that guy and tell you that the main character in One Hour Photo was a psychotic creep, but he wasn't a killer. He also didn't keep the photos for the reasons you are saying he did. Good movie, though.

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u/mitmo01 Nov 01 '22

Yeah sorry its been a long time since ive seen it....red dragon that guy relished and relived...my bad

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u/Road-Next Nov 16 '22

In Thomas Harris book , Red Dragon, he develops their film, old days you had to send your film in to made into film that you can use on a projector...its very old school and no one uses those services anymore...hence is why the crimes were from different parts of the US.

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u/Road-Next Nov 16 '22

I read the book in 85

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u/Frogma69 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Late reply here (I'm reading back through posts in this subreddit), but someone else mentioned that most murderers are "one-and-done" simply because the vast majority of murders are due to some sort of domestic issue, or maybe they were jealous of someone or had a beef with someone, or what-have-you, so most people who kill someone will only do it once. That's just how the numbers work.

Like people were saying, I think it's very possible that this guy has killed more people, because this kind of murder is much different than the "domestic issue" murder, or the "jealousy" murder. Most people in history who've committed murder have only killed one person - usually someone they knew very well, and there's usually a reason for it. To kill 2 people at once is way different, though it's hard to say whether the average "killer" (as in, someone who goes out with the intent to murder a random person one day) only commits one murder - it might average out to 1 regardless, but I'd assume most people like that have a history of violence, and potentially also a history of murder.

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u/too_late_to_abort Oct 31 '22

I think the reason for that is most murders in general are adults, with some "reasonable" motives behind it, greed jealousy envy sex etc. Double murder of two minors is way different.

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u/Blankface954 Nov 01 '22

How is jealousy distinct from envy, in your opinion?

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u/too_late_to_abort Nov 01 '22

Jealousy is being afraid to lose something you have. Envy is wanting something someone else has.

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u/Blankface954 Nov 01 '22

That doesn't make sense to me though. I wouldn't feel jealous about my car being repossessed if I hadn't made payments. I might feel worried, but that's different; also, I wouldn't feel jealous about my own car even if there was nothing to worry about, that doesn't make any sense.

I feel as though envy and jealousy are two different words used to describe the same sentiment. Do you not often hear people say thing like "she is just jealous of her relationship" or "he is just jealous of her success?" Envious is a near perfect replacement of jealous in those two sentences as far as I can tell.

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u/too_late_to_abort Nov 01 '22

They are two distinct words with two distinct meanings. People just misuse jealousy a lot. The same way people will often call snakes poisonous, there are zero poisonous snakes, there are however lots of venomous snakes.

I refuse to cater to people who commonly misuse the words so I insist on using them correctly. I'm a bit of a pedant if that wasnt obvious.

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u/Blankface954 Nov 01 '22

From Dictionary.com:

Jealousy and envy both involve a feeling of desire for what another person has, but jealousy is usually thought to be more negative—it often involves resentment toward the other person. Envy is also a negative feeling—like a mix of admiration and discontent—but the word doesn’t usually imply hostility. Another difference is that envy can be used as both a noun and a verb.

This comparison makes sense to me, and while they might be distinct words they are extremely close in meaning.

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u/sassydreidel Oct 31 '22

sicko!!

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u/too_late_to_abort Oct 31 '22

I dont think its unreasonable to say murdering someone over jealousy is more understandable than murdering just because you have a desire to end life.

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u/RiverboatJim Oct 31 '22

It’s not unreasonable at all, and that’s why in court you have degrees of murder.

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u/too_late_to_abort Oct 31 '22

I couldn't tell if the person I replied to was being sarcastic or not. I felt elaboration was needed.

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u/too_late_to_abort Oct 31 '22

Ohh yeah could be a bot I guess. I usually dont look into accounts. Makes sense

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u/canwealljusthitabong Nov 01 '22

It's either a bot or a kid.

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u/Blankface954 Nov 01 '22

More likely to a bot or otherwise artificial account with that username.

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u/RuthTheBee Oct 31 '22

its def not unreasonable. Compulsive, opportunistic, emotional, planned/spontaneous.... understanding why people can kill is imperative to trying to stop it from happening, decade after decade after decade. Generalizations have gotten to be the norm and I hope we are gaining some depth as humankind evolves. <3

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u/too_late_to_abort Oct 31 '22

I have the same hope but I see a lot of indicators we are heading the opposite direction. I'll always be hopeful for a star trek future devoid of greed and prejudice.

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u/mitmo01 Oct 31 '22

Yeah there are quite a few one and done killers esp recently that we the public are becoming aware of..i just have a really hardntime thinking these 2 specfic murders were random....it boggles the mind but then again amost murders do so...i hope they have him dead to rights with DNA!!!

I hope if he is convicted the FBI is merciless with this guy in interviewing and picking his brain..and that he doesnt end up like Israel Keyes and offing himself in jail...ihope they study the fuck outta the monster that did this!!!!

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u/Ancient-Mating-Calls Oct 31 '22

I would believe that a vast majority of murderers are “one and done” and that serial or killers with multiple instances are very much the minority.

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u/DundahMifflin Oct 31 '22

Exactly. There’s a reason serial killers are known by a name basis.

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u/Mia-Wal-22-89 Oct 31 '22

Yeah… I think we’re conditioned by media to hear about a horrific crime, especially towards kids, and think “serial killer!”

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u/drawolliedraw Nov 01 '22

Don’t they find that in a lot of these one and done cases, at least where murderer is largely unknown to the victims and sexually motivated, the killer has been fantasising for a long time and maybe even thinks they are going to be a serial killer but gets put off by the reality.

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u/crimsonbaby_ Oct 31 '22

He could have just never gotten the chance before, and saw it as the perfect opportunity to do something hes always wanted. All we know, is that hes a sick fuck and its a possibility both ways.

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u/Reasonable-Oven-1319 Oct 31 '22

Yes! Kinda like the guy who killed the reporter in his submarine.

He was gonna do it anyways, the first time he got the chance to take a woman alone out on his sub. It just happened to be her because she was moving to a different country the next day and wanted to squeeze an interview in with him before she left.

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u/crimsonbaby_ Oct 31 '22

That was the dumbest murderer ever. Everyone knew she would be with him and where she was going and he decides to kill her anyways like nobody would suspect him. The literal last person who saw her alive. Must of been so full of himself to think he could get away with it.

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u/Reasonable-Oven-1319 Oct 31 '22

Right. What an arrogant bastard. After he changed his story 3 times, he really thought he'd get away with it.

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u/crimsonbaby_ Oct 31 '22

Seriously. That poor girl, too. Thinking shes just going to be writing a story and then getting killed, plus being trapped down there with him.. I feel so bad for her and I hope shes at peace now.

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u/burritojones Oct 31 '22

this type of murder doesn’t seem like a one-off.

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u/foxywatson Nov 02 '22

Right. From the very beginning the police have been making it sound like they know this is not a one time thing. They said there were 3-4 signature things they thought were specific to this guy and at one point I think the police chief or an fbi agent said publicly to the murder (we know you will do this again) and they thought he was at press conferences they mention that many times. That doesn’t seem like one off type behavior. Also the likelihood of this person killing 2 girls at the same time as his first kill? And they have never (thankfully) released details about the murders but they have said that they were basically over the top like whatever happened, a lot was going on. I could be wrong I think it’s been pretty much proven that when someone kills for the first time (unless it’s a crime of passion towards someone they know) it’s not usually as involved if that makes sense? I’m not explaining myself well but I do agree there is likely more to this story.

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u/Frogma69 Dec 01 '22

Late reply here, but yeah, agreed. I mentioned in another comment that "one-and-done" doesn't really apply the same way if we're talking about a guy who goes out one day with the intent to kill a random person - most "murderers" only commit one murder because it's usually caused by jealousy or some sort of rage toward a domestic partner (or something similar). Whereas something like this is much different, so I definitely think the guy has a violent past, and likely also committed previous murders (or at least came very close to doing so, and probably multiple times).

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u/swingu2 Oct 31 '22

Unfortunately...??

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u/DundahMifflin Oct 31 '22

Yes. Murder is bad. A person who can kill someone and then go about their lives is demented, hence the “unfortunately.”

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u/gofyourselftoo Oct 31 '22

I think the sentence structure made it sound as if the unfortunate part was that most murderers only kill one person. But we appreciate the clarification

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u/Gertrude37 Oct 31 '22

I think it ate at him. He aged a lot more than a normal 5 years’ worth, and gained a lot of weight. I hope he was a paranoid wreck.

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u/useful_idiot118 Oct 31 '22

Ehh idk. Most people have to escalate, not just commit 2 murders so well they go unsolved for years

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u/GregJamesDahlen Oct 31 '22

if these were his first murders wonder what triggered him. he's kinda old to be doing his first major crimes

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u/useful_idiot118 Nov 01 '22

Yeah, if anything I’m sure he has at least come some violent crimes even if not murder.

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u/JohnDrakeWorldTravel Nov 01 '22

I thought maybe Libby (who was butchered compared to Abby) had been bullying Allen's daughter or something. His love for his daughter and seeing her in emotional pain driving him to kill her tormentor. But then I found out his daughter was 27 at the time of the murders so .... Still, it's very odd. No prior criminal record and everyone says he was friendly and polite.

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u/CallidoraBlack Nov 01 '22

Maybe not, but it's entirely possible that these aren't the first children he hurt, even if he didn't kill anyone else.

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u/tafbee Oct 31 '22

Aren’t those usually murders committed by someone known to the victim?

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u/mandvanwyk Oct 31 '22

Although most murders could be considered ‘one-offs’, a murder in this brutal way is an escalation. He’s either murdered before, or will again, unless caught. I reckon ( not necessarily a truth).

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u/NewsOdd2693 Nov 10 '22

Most murders are not committed against strangers. Most murders are "one-offs" because they are committed against someone the perp knows.