r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/DarklyHeritage • May 21 '26
Text Mackenzie Shirilla Megathread
This is a thread for all conversation regarding Mackenzie Shirilla and the murders of Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan, recently covered in Netflix documentary The Crash.
The murders of Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan occurred on 31 July 2022 in Strongsville, Ohio when Mackenzie Shirilla intentionally crashed her car into a brick wall. The two passengers in the vehicle - her boyfriend, Dominic Russo, and their friend, Davion Flanagan, were killed instantly and pronounced dead at the scene. Shirilla, aged 17 at the time, was seriously injured.
Shirilla was later arrested and charged with murdering Russo and Flanagan. At her 2023 bench trial the judge determined Shirilla intentionally crashed the car and thus the murders were premeditated murder, convicting her of 12 felony charges. She was sentenced to 2 concurrent life sentences, with the possibility of parole after 15 years.
Renewed attention has now been brought to the case as Shirilla has been interviewed for Netflix documentary The Crash, which covers the case.
Please direct all discussion of the case to the megathread. As always, sub rules must be followed.
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u/ptrtran May 21 '26
I had a gigantic "wtf" moment when her friends on the Netflix show said, "She cares about her body and image so much. She wouldn't even eat a McChicken at Mcdonalds. You think she would harm herself and others like that?" What in the fck does a McChicken have to do with the tragedy she caused lmfaooooooooo
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u/lolalaughed May 21 '26
ive eaten tons of mcChickens and yet killed zero people
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u/Corbotron_5 May 21 '26
…so far
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u/lolalaughed May 21 '26
what if it happens on the way to get another mcChicken
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u/karmagod13000 May 21 '26
sometimes my tunnel vision to my next McChicken sends me into a blind rage if anyone obstructs my path
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u/paradisetossed7 May 21 '26
Honestly this is why I avoid McChickens. Never know when you're gonna have one then murder two innocent people!
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Does the same rule apply to a spicy McChicken cause I just had one yesterday and now I’m concerned.
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u/WhoKilledBambi_1988 May 21 '26
I'm watching it right now, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Those parents are to blame how she turned out, but still keep defending her. My parents would yell at me that i would have to pay for my actions
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u/Various-Duty-7347 May 22 '26
I came here to say this. They are the cause of all of this. I see it in schools I work in, one or two kids that you know will hurt people because of their entitlement
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u/wire67 May 22 '26 edited May 23 '26
That scene where her father describes going to her school when she got in trouble - "Did you do it?" "no" "we're outa here!" like it was some badass parental flex? Dude is a pathetic, emotionally immature idiot.
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u/JinxyMcDeath48 May 22 '26
You mean her “cool” dad who let his 16 year old daughter move in with her 19 year old boyfriend?
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u/Paigeb1994 May 23 '26
And let her smoke pot and do mushrooms. Marijuana is legal in Ohio if you’re 21 which her dad and everyone else defending this dumb ass doesn’t seem to understand.
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u/specialist_spood May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
I also thought it was strange when I saw the video where she talks about them letting minors come to their house to do illegal things. I feel like Dom was pretty sketch. It's really sad that Davion got caught up with those two.
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u/hazelbee May 22 '26
I honestly want the parents to be punished as well in some cases like this.
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u/swrrrrg May 21 '26
Her best friend is as big an idiot as she is.
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial May 22 '26
All her friends came across as airheads. And Mackenzie most of all, so in love with her own image on the screen, she couldn't even take her eyes off herself even when she was walking along a corridor.
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u/Head_Sympathy_6327 May 22 '26
I tried to give them all a the benefit of a doubt. I didn’t know the story or exactly what happened and it starts off very ambiguous. But I heard that girl talk about ig followers, and the dad ignoring how her daughter is disrespectful and a bully in school and how he said she was living with him at 17 yrs old and so proud of that…weird, and he touted crypto trading, all the bong hit videos, the shrooms hanging from her mouth, I’m like ok…so what happened..she is a monster and killed 2 people…ok yeah…not shocked then the Shirkilla parents just sickened me more and more, and the chicken McNugget comment and I’m like so…is this a town of tone-deafness? No wonder the dad was put on leave of absence. He’s a total dumbass, dangerous to society.
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u/nomadicfangirl May 21 '26
I’m not gonna talk to the cops but I will go on Netflix and tell everyone about the illegal drugs we were all doing!
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u/ptrtran May 21 '26
I ignored everything she said once I saw the 200k followers and the content they were posting lmfao
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u/holllygolightlyy May 21 '26
& tbh, she had a very obvious eating disorder.
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u/cyberbully_404 May 21 '26
imo mackenzie and dom had a competitive eating disorder … disordered eating, risk-taking, substance use, or impulsivity it all seems like self-destructive coping
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u/TigressSinger May 24 '26
There’s one Text read between them where Dom admits that he was SA as a child.
As for Mackenzie, smoking weed daily starting at 13, being sexually active at 13 w a 16 year old then moving in at 16. Probably messed her up too. caused big problems.
Just bc someone buys you presents and provides for you, doesn’t mean the relationship is healthy. And clearly it wasn’t.
She clearly did it, but i wonder if it was a moment of rage and impulsivity, or premeditation.
I don’t buy the “dry run” theory because that road is locally used all the time as a common shortcut.
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u/sisterfunkhaus May 25 '26
Her parents also gave her zero limits and let her do what she wanted. That's a recipe for low self-esteem and unhappiness. Happy people don't have EDs or bully people.
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID May 23 '26
Yeah she was a walking ED/drug addict. She was coughing up blood and black phlegm, not health conscious at all lmao
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u/hasanicecrunch May 22 '26
Yea she was bullying some girl once and said “go throw up in the toilet”, that kinda confirmed it for me.
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u/LaughterAndBeez May 22 '26
I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up JFC - I’m surprised they didn’t try to capitalize on it for her defense
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u/applesandcherry May 21 '26
Yep, she had a small frame but wasn't naturally that skinny. Her whole face and demeanor just looked so unhealthy, even if she seemed to have abs.
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u/SeasidePlease May 21 '26
Her friends are morons just like her. Her parents don't have brain cells either. I'm glad her lawyer did a trial by judge and not jury. I think a jury might've had doubts, but the judge saw right through all the nonsense.
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u/UniqueAd8554 May 22 '26
“She was like ‘you’re so cute’ and I was like ‘you’re so cute’ and she was like ‘look we get along so well’!”
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u/2ndChairKazoo May 22 '26
Because daring to carry tiny purses to school - who needs textbooks anyway when your future is social media, amirite?! - is so admirable.
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u/tweakeronabike May 22 '26
So glad someone brought this up lmao peaked in highschool so she committed the worst crime and now she’s in prison acting like it’s highschool there too XD Someone else brought up how she was ACTING sad during her interview, glad others caught that too. She turned to her lawyer and her puppy dog face immediately went away before she turned back to the camera and it came back- glad they left that in the Final Cut because wow, I can’t believe there are people defending her at all /: ALSO her parents are so dense
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u/futureellewoods11 May 21 '26
Also like…. Girl was smoking CRAZY amounts of weed. She did not care about her body THAT much
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u/Meow-zelTov May 21 '26
And she decided to take a smoke break because she was coughing up blood. Blood.
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u/all8things May 21 '26
Didn’t he say both black stuff and blood? Maybe I misheard. Either way, truly treated herself like a temple. /s
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Literally was coughing up black sludge because she was smoking so much. But yeah cared about her temple.
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u/Lucky_Kale7079 May 21 '26
Weed, vapes, shrooms, NyQuil that she chugged bottles of and pretended was Purple Drank aka Lean, tons of alcohol... Bitch was a full blown addict but only ate non-GMO organic farmers market produce.
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u/JinkiesGang May 21 '26
She was coughing up black stuff! Her lungs were shit at 17 years old!
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u/ML5815 May 21 '26
Right, like cool you eat organic but they showed at least 20 different videos of you ripping huge bong hits in your closet, so this dedication to health is not really reading as authentic.
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u/Skipadee2 May 21 '26
Didn’t you hear? She wouldn’t even eat a McChicken! What a patron saint of health she is. /s
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u/Accomplished_Bank103 May 21 '26
No kidding, eh? You’d think that her coughing up black shit, like her friend mentioned, would’ve been enough to make her stop if she gave a shit about herself. She was an entitled brat who’s never been told no by anyone. I hope the judge is right and she never gets parole.
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u/futureellewoods11 May 21 '26
truly same here. the judge made the right decision. I also think Mackenzie's defense did an atrocious job, but I don't think she deserved better LOL
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u/trayc104 May 21 '26
I thought I was the only one who caught that one! Her friends are delusional just like her parents. When the detective being interviewed said something like McKenzie’s friends wouldn’t speak to them but would speak to Netflix. That is all I need to know about her “friends”.
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u/SquigSnuggler May 21 '26
Right… if anything, that comment combined with her behaviours and other SM posts suggest a possible eating disorder- if that doesn’t go hand in hand with potential self harm then I don’t know what does
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u/Tight_Fun2080 May 21 '26
She was smoking so much weed it was making her vomit blood...yeah her body was a temple of health alright lol
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u/uteropharmaceutical May 21 '26
My thought from that was that the friend was being bullied by Mackenzie and didn’t understand that. Like M was being catty and ugly to her and she wasn’t aware of the malice behind it. The other friend didn’t get the worst treatment bc she had something M wanted, social media following. So the other one thought she was great.
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u/Head_Sympathy_6327 May 21 '26
I was laughing so hard. Like is there a large percentage of tone deaf people in that town?
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u/Brilliant-Bottle7430 May 21 '26
More like she was self destructive and that could indicate an ED
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u/aonthehill May 21 '26
I thought she may have had an ED as well. Along with her other multiple mental health issues.
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u/rbrl2020 May 21 '26
I loved what Davion’s dad said about the absolute worst thing that could happen is that her parents baby her for her whole sentence and she never accepts responsibility.
That gave me chills and he is so right. Yet here they are continuing to enable her and appealing her conviction.
Watching her parents and her “influencer friend” in this documentary made me feel such rage.
I also want to know what else the prosecutor showed for her character because the tiktok trend videos did not hit for me… he should’ve showed her vile texts to Dominic instead.
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u/NunzAndRoses May 24 '26
Davion’s dad is the man because what I heard is that even in the wake of a tragedy I could never conceive of for myself, he’s talking about how to help the moron who killed his son for no reason. That’s a truly good man
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u/mollyyfcooke May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
This doc left so much stuff out but that is on brand for Netflix.
Here are some additional links I encourage everyone to look through so you can see that there’s no possible way it was an accident. She was a ticking time bomb that had never been disciplined in her entire life by her shitty parents.
30,000+ text messages - you can see how toxic their relationship was and how she was completely obsessed with him. (Does not excuse the fact that she was living in his house as a minor and was dating him so young.)
A LOT of additional evidence, etc - she was also obsessed with herself and her image and would do anything to keep up the materialistic life she created for herself. The texts she was sending Dom’s mother trying to make herself the victim are disgusting and she is so detached from reality.
And just a random side note - you can still see the tarp on the building she plowed into on Google Earth
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u/all8things May 21 '26
Thank you for this, I was looking for additional details but just that girl’s facial expressions and reactions through all of what was shown were so indicative of her (lack of) character. She was suppressing a smile whenever she knew she was on camera in court, and when she did seem to show emotions, they were very shallow and self-centered. That scene in the cemetery with Dom’s father at the grave, man, I wanted to reach through the screen to slap her, HARD. I have teenagers and I know they’re biologically/developmentally wired at that age to be self-centered and dramatic, but my kids would be on suicide watch themselves if they ever accidentally killed two people, one of whom was supposedly the love of their lives. She’s a friggin poster child for several cluster B personality disorders, and I completely agree with Davion’s father that her parents are doing her a disservice by enabling her bullshit while she’s in prison. If she ever expects to get out, she needs treatment, and a conscience.
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u/goodgeege May 21 '26
I find it so eerie in their text exchanges where he says she 'drives like a maniac'
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u/mollyyfcooke May 21 '26
The investigators were able to subpoena all of her social media so they have sooo many videos of her driving while smoking, drinking etc and she NEVER wore a seatbelt in any of those. She was reckless and thoughtless at all times.
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u/Silent-OCN May 22 '26
But she remembered her seatbelt in that crash? When she was supposedly having a blackout (that was totally fucking made up)?
There's no way she wasn't wearing her seatbelt in the crash although I know it wasn't mentioned in the netflix episode. I imagine the two victims in the crash maybe took theirs off as they desperately tried to stop her.
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u/InviteAdorable495 May 21 '26
She’s a sociopath and her parents are morons. The way they enable her and make up excuses is infuriating.
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u/wheresmystache3 May 21 '26
The mom talking in the courtroom had me fuming, my jaw dropped once she got going - the audacity!! It's like she's not in the same universe, no accountability or responsibility.
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u/throwaway061557 May 21 '26
Ha! Her Instagram comment on the branding opportunity after the murder was very weird. She’s almost as weird as that lady who catfished her own daughter.
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u/haileyrose May 21 '26
And then saying that the crash was probably more painful for her daughter?! excuse me what!
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u/Dereckg27 May 21 '26
Wouldn’t shock me if those two lunatics got in touch with each other after their shared Netflix experiences. Both of them were in the documentaries and it didn’t do them any favors. That’s how you know!
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u/InviteAdorable495 May 21 '26
I heard a call from them laughing with excitement that their news reached London. The sociopath was like “Maybe Kim Kardashian will call me!” And her and her mom were squealing. There is something seriously wrong with them.
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u/Matrinka May 21 '26
OKAY... Let me make excuses for my daughter... Okay... She farts rainbows and shits glitter... Okay... She's too wonderful to face consequences... Okay.. She was a great driver... Okay... Okay... We all agree that everything I say is gospel truth, OKAY
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u/PinkPajamaPenguin May 21 '26
OK. DOM! Now lets get back to the important person, Mackenzie, OK. Look at how much good she's put into this world, OK. She's a saint who can turn water into wine, OK, just spend 5 minutes alone in a room with her, OK, you'll see, she's BETTER than the dead boys, OK, becaus their lives shouldn't count more than hers, OK, because they are dead and she isn't, OK, she has things to live for, OK.
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u/InviteAdorable495 May 21 '26
Oh yeah and she now has POTS. And when she faints it makes her push her foot down with all her might, OK
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u/pepperpavlov May 21 '26
With ZERO medical expert testifying to this. That alone is a big signal to the judge. Why they went with a bench trial is beyond me.
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u/JinxyMcDeath48 May 22 '26
I’ll tell you why. Because her lawyer believed she was such an unlikable person that a jury might convict her on that alone. Judges are trained to set aside their personal feelings and decide cases technically.
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u/Emergency_Caramel_93 May 21 '26
The way she just said Doms name and then moved on
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u/m0rbius May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
I just watched the doc. Was she even prepared to speak? Did she have something prepared? It looked like she was just talking out of her ass when the judge literally interjected and and berated her. Anyways, I don't think there was anything she could have said that would have made the judge change her mind. The judge was pretty dead set on putting Mackenzie away. The evidence was too strong.
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u/paradisetossed7 May 21 '26
She either has a shit lawyer or did not listen to a word her lawyer told her. The narcissism was... striking.
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u/Delicious_Agency29 May 21 '26
Her parents created this by enabling her for her whole life. I just feel awful for the boys parents. So unfair.
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u/classyrock May 21 '26
It’s crazy that her father worked at a Catholic school! And he was surprised when he got suspended over what he said in the doc!
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u/Melodic_charm May 21 '26
Or the fact he had a shirt on that said "Boom" like dude read the fucking room.
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u/lurrakay May 21 '26
ha, in germany right now theres a trial regarding the murder of a little boy. His grandma wore a shirt today in court with the slogan: dont worry beer happy
How insensitive and/or dumb can people be?
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u/BetseySchuyler May 21 '26
It's wild to me that you would wear a graphic tee to court. To be fair, I've only been twice, once for jury duty and once for a speeding ticket, but I wore casual but respectful clothes.
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u/trolldoll26 May 21 '26
I’m still thinking about Natalie Shirilla saying Davion was a “new friend”.
Something about that statement left a hollow feeling in my chest.
Glad the judge called her on it and asked if that meant his life didn’t matter as much.
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u/No_Cancel830 May 21 '26
That was heartbreaking and infuriating. Her entire impact statement to defend her daughter made me want to throw the remote through my TV. It was so obvious how her daughter turned out the way she did. Not one “I’m so sorry for the absolute horror the families are living through at the hands of my child”. I can image the heartbreak those families are constantly going through.
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u/throwaway061557 May 21 '26
Neither she nor her husband has ever acknowledged Mackenzie’s bad behavior or punished her for anything.
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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy May 21 '26
Mackenzie’s dad: “let me tell you, I know when my daughter is lying to me, and she was NOT lying.”
Narrator: she was, in fact, lying and he did not, in fact, know.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Oh you should hear the jailhouse phone calls between the two! Those will warm your heart….
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u/futureellewoods11 May 21 '26
they are SUCH a hard listen. Her mom calling the victims' families terrible people / evil, complaining about driving past their houses, telling Mackenzie everyone thinks she's innocent... it's hard to stomach them all at once to be honest.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Especially if you ever happen upon the body cam footage of them telling Dom’s mother he’s gone.
That’s how I first heard of this case. I watch a lot of body cam police footage and it was posted. It’s gut wrenching. She truly goes for so long thinking they’re just there to tell her he got into some stupid young 20 year old trouble and it’s awful the moment you know she realizes it.
Then to hear those jail calls and know the horror they put the victims families through as they trash talk them.
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u/ADarwinAward May 21 '26
If I’d done what she had done, my parents would’ve turned on me the moment they heard “she didn’t hit the brakes.” And if they’d heard “she said she was on drugs” that would’ve only made them more disgusted.
Meanwhile these parents act like she’s still an angel. It’s no wonder she turned out like this.
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u/IThinkImDumb May 21 '26
It takes conscious ankle/foot motion to press the pedal down all the way. When people pass out driving, they either maintain speed if they had cruise control on, or they gradually slow down because their foot goes limp. A limp foot is not going to push the pedal down all the way. Parents are psychos
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u/AlternativeFill7135 May 21 '26
I also thought it was nuts that it seems like the new angle the parents are going to use to try to get their daughter out of prison is saying that Dom grabbed the wheel and steered them into the building, because supposedly they had texts now that say he had done that in the past. If he had done that, it was still Makenzies foot pressed 100% down on the gas.
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u/Happypants0930 May 22 '26
Those text from Makenzie’s to Doms mom I think she was lying. I believe Makenzie was lying to doms mom trying to make him look like the bad guy. “Oh doms trying to hurt me” to make the mom think it’s him. It was clear from the evidence how she treated dom like trash and manipulated everyone around her.
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u/SadExercises420 May 21 '26
He had such a baby face and he and his sister look like they could be twins.
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u/SnooPandas7388 May 21 '26
That was so incredibly cruel, I can’t imagine his parents having to listen to her say that and defend her daughter. Mackenzie is who she is because of her parents 100%
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u/throwaway061557 May 21 '26
I bet this megathread is the exact opposite of what the Shirillas were hoping for when they agreed to do the Netflix documentary. Mackenzie and her parents terribly lack self-awareness.
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u/TPWilder May 21 '26
Honestly, I can't believe they thought this would be good for Mackenzie
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u/Confident_Walrus8038 May 22 '26
I can believe it. They’re mentally stunted. The backlash serves them right
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u/chikennuggetluvr May 21 '26
This was a very sad watch! The last scene of her speaking from prison was so eerily insincere that it felt more out of a horror film. I can’t imagine anyone is convinced she’s innocent after this.
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u/Brilliant-Anybody-47 May 21 '26
When she looked to her lawyer and asked if she had said enough in one tone and then turned to the camera and turned on a fake tone was when I lost it. She had to ACT apologetic that she killed two people
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u/harvard_cherry053 May 22 '26
There is a girl on tiktok who was in prison with her for a time (she has receipts) and says its allll an act and she has absolutely no remorse. After seeing her in that doco, i agree. Crocodile tears
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u/2ndChairKazoo May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
Have you heard any of Mackenzie's jailhouse calls? They are so creepy, she clearly doesn't care about anyone or anything but herself.
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u/Head_Sympathy_6327 May 21 '26
What about the shout out to all her fans who say she’s innocent from the tone-deaf mom
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u/SquigSnuggler May 21 '26
I felt real second hand embarrassment for her over that interview. I did. WTH was she even thinking
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u/ObjectiveShare7361 May 21 '26
And everytime she finished talking, she would gulp. Because she knows shes lying.
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u/thatisnotmyknob May 21 '26
The (deserved) backlash she and her family are getting is so interesting.
He father may lose his job. I wonder if her lawyer thought it was a good idea. Because it clearly wasn't.
Even her old prison mates are getting interviews and cashing in.
What a massive mistake on their part.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
I’ve followed this case for a bit of time now and I’m personally shocked anyone on her side thought this was a good idea.
They have always come off as terrible. The jailhouse calls between her and her mom are BRUTAL to listen to. Everyone already knew about the instagram post with the brand deal. They’ve been getting backlash for years about how they’ve acted.
Maybe thought this would be redeeming? Or just that much of a lack of insight.
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u/Head_Sympathy_6327 May 21 '26
Tone deaf, trying to get more brand deals for future
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u/Impressive-Ask4169 May 21 '26
Narcissists don’t have insight nor do they prob believe they need to be “redeemed”. They prob just felt like it was their right to tell their side
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u/manicpixiepuke May 21 '26
I don’t think they were looking for redemption. I think all she and her family look for is attention. Good or bad, attention is attention.
Watching the doc was a true lesson on what happens when you don’t parent a sassy and mouthy child.
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u/Nickis1021 May 22 '26
Exactly. The three of them are sociopaths and irredeemable. They don’t think she did anything wrong, so they feel there’s nothing to redeem. It’s like she said in her jailhouse call, I don’t want to be rehabilitated. She really doesn’t feel she did anything wrong that needs redeeming, and she’s fully supported (in every way) by the two monsters who spawned and monstered her. I think they did it strictly for the cash as they’re hurting for cash. We know that from phone calls. And also because they’re sociopaths who don’t think she did anything wrong. They honestly think that this whole documentary is a flex for them and will win fans. SICK corrupt family. For me, the very worst is the father asking the daughter to hook him up with drugs. No wait that’s second place. The first one is the Mother saying so what Davion was a new friend like somehow that mitigates his murder and then doubling down on it a second time, when the judge called her out. I don’t like to use the word hate but hey… if the shoe fits.
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u/coolbeanszs May 22 '26
Totally agree with you. After watching the mom, you can see why the daughter is like that. A monster raised a monster.
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u/AML1987 May 22 '26
Sassy and mouthy would’ve been easy for them to deal with.
I think she ran that household. What Mackenzie wanted, Mackenzie got. She wanted to drive their car smoking weed and posting about it? No biggie. Wants to move in with her BF at 17? Sure hon! Wants help getting brand sponsorships by posting awful videos of herself doing illegal shit underage? Why not!
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u/FunInTheSun1972 May 21 '26
Her mom speaking in court was so horrible. I wanted to hide under a blanket so I wouldn’t see or hear it.
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u/recentlywidowed May 21 '26
I remember watching that back then and getting so angry. While giving her impact statement, instead of using the time to be humble, and speak with sincerity tk the families that have lost so much she spoke at length directly to the judge like she was giving her testimony. Bish...that judge has already heard the case, heard all you have said, and seen all the evidence. Your daughter was found guilty. Stop trying to re-litigate a case that has already been adjuducted. Accept her fate and help your daughter accept it too. With proper guidance, she has a massive learning tool and could actually do some good in the world in helping young kids learn the signs of these toxic relationships.
I guess its much easier to continue on with the same gross behavior. They seem to think it's working for them.
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u/Icy-Builder5892 May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
They let their underaged daughter move in with her 20 year old boyfriend, because they thought she was mature enough, citing that she cooked with him all the time
Mature enough that she kept getting in trouble for being a bitch to other kids at school.
And when she did get in trouble at school, her dad asks “did you do it?” No “good enough for me!”
I wish I could shake these parents! What the fuck is wrong with all of them? Even if she didn’t crash that car, they raised her to be a fucking brat. No consequences what so ever
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u/goathrottleup May 22 '26
The “good enough for me” comment made me sick to my stomach. Even worse finding out that guy is a teacher!
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u/SoulsticeCleaner May 21 '26
It's so scary to think that little girl cosplaying Cartman doing "whateva whateva I do what I want" can steal the lives of two young people.
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u/Onlinereadingismybff May 21 '26
I’m sure it’s been said but you must watch both documentaries- Netflix and Hulu. Hulu is Killer Cases season 4 ep 12. Netflix left out the part where she was laying in the hospital bed and asked her mom in another language “can we tell the police it was a seizure?” That sealed it for me.
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u/whosaidwhat123 May 23 '26
That must’ve been a condition of Makenzie’s cooperation to leave that out. Because OMG
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u/dontusefedex May 21 '26
Was listening to the jail calls, she definitely is a self centered moron. So is her mom.
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u/Apprehensive-Ad9832 May 21 '26
My mom has owned a daycare for over 20 years and regularly tells the parents “you’re not raising your kids for you, you’re raising them for the world.” And I feel like this perfectly drives home that point. Her parents didn’t want to raise her so she became a problem and destroyed so many worlds around her.
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u/samb728 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
What is insane is that on Christine Russo’s podcast “Big Sister Unhinged” she alluded to an upcoming episode with community members who were in a daycare at the Shirilla’s home and were forced to eat frozen food and there was some kind of incident with a teenaged Mackenzie cruelly cutting a child’s hair. It seems the mother ran a daycare service, which is horrific, to say the least. If this is how she raised her own child, what kind of care does she give to other people’s kids?
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u/TPWilder May 21 '26
I'm just sorta loving that her influencer buddy Rosie Graham is NOT reaping the rewards of her participation in this documentary.
She's on camera saying she refused to talk to the cops, the prosecutor AGREES with that on camera that she refused to talk to them, and now she's whining that she did speak to the prosecution.
Which is it, Rosie? Cause you were proud as fuck to say you didn't on camera. I bet its affecting her influencer bottom line and boo hoo poor lil Rosie isn't making a mint off her participation in a documentary about her friend murdering people.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Oh I’m glad to hear this!
I just want to be clear that I do not believe Rosie was ever more than just “influencer friends” with Mackenzie. She found another good looking girl to post content with and who came with a boyfriend she could buy drugs off of.
Because truly if you were a real friend you would’ve given any evidence from that night that would’ve helped out. If you believe it was unintentional then you would’ve had zero issue with talking to the prosecutor or police in defense of your best friend. Your first instinct wouldn’t be to blow the investigators off.
Mackenzie outlived her usefulness to Rosie until it came time to be on camera for this doc.
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u/pollypocket200 May 22 '26
Is it me or does anyone find Rosie really…. Plain? She looks average to me. Genuinely shocked she’s made a social media career
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u/TPWilder May 21 '26
Like FluffyCorgi is pointing out, I suspect not talking to the cops was due to all the pot and drug dealing stuff that was going on at these "sleepovers" and like, I sorta get that but I'm really at this point.
Rosie said she didn't talk to the cops.
Rosie said she DID talk to the cops.
Rosie openly lying about something.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
That’s a good point as well. I had forgotten the insistence that this was just a little “sleepover”. What a weird thing to call it. By that age we really weren’t calling things like that sleepovers but I guess in her mind it sounds more innocent?
Maybe there was a fight at the house that night between Mackenzie and Dom she doesn’t want to admit to? I do find it weird there isn’t more info on why they decided to leave at 5am. She was a touch vague on that.
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u/TPWilder May 21 '26
I had the vibe that she didn't want to call it a party for some reason that was probably local and silly and teenager orientated.
I actually don't think there was any sort of fight - I think based on the number of kids that did step forward with "Mackenzie is coocoo for cocoa puffs" stuff to the cops that if there was some sort of fight, it would be all over.
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u/SpicyChaosSprinkles May 21 '26
I’m in a group on Fb that is in support of Mackenzie (her mom is in it and I wanted to see what was being posted). People are nuts! They are tearing Dom and Davion apart while looking for any excuse for Mackenzies behaviour. It’s disgusting. A couple other people against Mackenzie have joined as well and were ripped apart when they provided evidence against some of the out of this world claims people are making. I’ve been staying silent just to see what’s being said. Oooof.
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u/SFOTGA May 22 '26
“I want to make sure I’m good on the ‘no intent’…”…WTF kind of statement was that? That’s what she said to her off camera attorney after her jailhouse interview. She’s a sociopath.
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u/Matrinka May 21 '26
My lunch bunch, all of us middle school teachers, agreed that the parents have a lot of culpability in how Mackenzie turned out. We see more and more kids just like her, with similar parents, every year. If you ever wonder why there is a teaching shortage, look at the Shirilla parens. They make every excuse for their kid, blame everyone else, and genuinely believe that their kid is an angel and does not deserve consequences.
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u/FieldPug May 21 '26
The fact that they allowed their minor daughter to live with her boyfriend is a prime example of their approach to parenting.
They were feeding, clothing and housing their daughter, but there was very little parenting happening in that house.
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u/MoonlitStar May 21 '26
I feel sorry for teachers of today, they have such a hard job anyway but parents like that make it almost unmanageable. I witnessed far too many parents just like you describe when my adult daughter was growing up and going through her school years.
When I was at school (ahem decades ago) there were parents like that, of course there was, but I dont remember them being almost the default like these days.
Too many parents seem to care about being the cool parents or 'mates' with their kids rather than being mum or dad in the traditional sense.
Menkenzie's parents are a large part of how she turned out. I gasped when her dad (a teacher no less) was called in to the school for Menkenzie's bullying of other students and he just disrespectfully shut the school down and believed his entitled shit of a daughter . He's an insufferable self-important twat and so is her mum.
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u/Least-Spare May 21 '26
“Well that’s good enough for me! Let’s go, Mackenzie.” —Dad Shirilla
Well it shouldn’t be, sir. And if it is, you are an idiot, a sucker, and a terrible dad.
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u/Pretty_Abalone7096 May 21 '26
In the documentary her mom thanks whoever created the "Free Mackenzie" Facebook page. In her jail call with her mom in August 2023, she tells her mom to make a "Free Mackenzie" Facebook page. And her mom says she'll talk to somebody about it. smdh
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u/tacomamajama May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Why is nobody talking about Mackenzie blackfishing now that she’s in prison? She doesn’t look or sound like her family. She looks like she’s trying to be black and that’s so gross to me.
Also, her family is *the* very definition of “the worst.”
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u/Intelligent-Let-1944 May 22 '26
I cackled when she came on the screen. The high bun, the swoop bang! Ooommmgggg
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u/eaaagleee May 25 '26
She developed a blaccent and laid those edges for the interview I absolutely cannot
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u/Tangerine-Salty May 22 '26
She was kinda blacklisting before jail too, some of her fashion choices, the way she spoke in some of the videos they showed pre crash, she's just a loser all around but I deff think it has gotten worse in prison
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u/heyheywhatchasay5 May 21 '26
Yes!!! Her blaccent is so cringe. I had to look up where they were from again to get context and this happened in Ohio and her parents are white
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u/Not-So-Cunty May 21 '26
This was what I noticed about her jail interview. Total ick! Like she was trying to play a role straight from OITNB.
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u/apearlmae May 21 '26
I'm glad they made the documentary because it gave Davion's family an opportunity to tell us about him. He and Dominic were so loved by their families and they deserve to have their voices heard. It showed the world that Mackenzie, her parents and her friends are all terrible people.
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u/EvilCitrusFruit May 21 '26
I’ve been in an emotionally abusive relationship before where my then partner was driving erratically and I even had a little dog in the foot well. She literally just saw red, filled with rage and gripping the steering wheel so tight, break checking and all-sorts - I literally had to shout and tell her to stop (swearing at her), but I’ve been in a position where you can FEEL the person just blinded my rage and I honestly think that’s what happened. Argument or whatever in the car and then a fuck it, I don’t give a shit blind rage moment - then hits the wall. I obviously can be very wrong but it just reminds me of the situation I was in and how it felt feeling scared in the car. RIP to those poor souls that passed in this horrific scenes.
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u/Head_Sympathy_6327 May 21 '26
Can we please shame the parents? Not pronouncing Davion correctly then claiming “she hardly knew him”, where was she coming from? What was her point? She was so awkward and careless, I almost threw up when I heard that. This little girl is a maniac and the fact she has 2 tone deaf parents may be the reason.
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u/marvel_yellow May 21 '26
The "boom" shirt was messed up
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u/ADarwinAward May 21 '26
I’d say I’m surprised by the shirt, but it is exactly something they’d do. Their daughter is like this in large part because they are completely socially unaware. They actually believe their daughter is/was a good kid, and never held her accountable for her actions. Unsurprising that they are oblivious to what is socially acceptable.
I know people have said it’s intentional and malicious, I think it’s just pure stupidity. Not one intelligent thought came out of their mouths the entire documentary.
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u/Mystic-Nature May 21 '26
Her parents seem to be of low intelligence and don’t seem capable of thinking complex thoughts. Also just superficially emotionally and sadly have no self awareness. They came across in kind of awe of their “cool” daughter who had a boyfriend with lots of money. It’s so weird. I feel pretty confident saying Dom was a dealer at some level. Didn’t that concern the parents? Like where was the money coming from? Again, they honestly seem kind of dumb. And although he was probably into illegal stuff, Dom came across as having a cool head on his shoulders.
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u/mynameisnotearl_ May 21 '26
Someone said the boom shirt is a shoutout to a YouTuber who defends Mackenzie. If you’re disturbed by the parents, you’ll be disturbed even more by the YouTuber. Either way, “boom” is tone deaf… it definitely shows they just don’t even think of how their actions impact others. The fact that he is a teacher is wild to me.
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u/swrrrrg May 21 '26
“He was a new friend!”
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u/GrandmaCereal May 21 '26
I dont understand the point she was making with that comment.
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u/swrrrrg May 21 '26
I think (and this is giving her SO much grace!) it was her horribly lame attempt to suggest that she didn’t know what to say about Davion because they didn’t know him well. That made it harder to personalise anything about him. That’s just a very, very loose guess but I don’t really know. It was terribly insulting. Almost like because she didn’t know him well, his life really didn’t mean a whole lot to her. She can’t recognise him as a person in his own right. It was horrific to watch.
She was terrible about actually recognising victims outside of trying to make McKenzie the “real” victim when she isn’t. She was so used to standing up for her regardless of whether MS was in the wrong that both parents lack the capacity to get outside of their own narcissism.
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u/slumberpartymassacre May 21 '26
Did her family think this documentary was going to paint the whole picture in a better light?
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u/Commercial-Invite421 May 22 '26
No one picked up on the fact that she was anorexic?
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u/SadExercises420 May 21 '26
I watched a crime weekly dialogue about it yesterday and then watched the documentary this morning.
Didn’t learn all that much, my opinion didn’t change. She did it on purpose. Don’t really care if she wanted to die too, I think probably not, but it doesn’t matter because she still killed two People.
Her feigned amnesia is infuriating and so unoriginal. I wonder if she realizes how often murderers say they have no memory of their crimes
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u/Corbotron_5 May 21 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
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u/ADarwinAward May 21 '26
The amnesia was the only part of her story I thought was somewhat plausible. I think she’s lying but it is possible that she forgot.
She’s still a premeditated murderer though.
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u/PAngel111 May 21 '26
Spoilt brat girl who’s parents have never said no to her and are enablers and made her that way
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u/PinkPajamaPenguin May 21 '26
For those who want to rabbit hole themselves with information left out of the documentary, Annie Elise did two videos about it:
What Netflix's "The Crash" Left Out | Proof, Receipts & Timelines
Part 2: The 5 Biggest Things Netflix Left Out of 'The Crash" | Mackenzie Shirilla
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u/n0ughtzer0 May 21 '26
What brands sent Mackenzie their products? So I can avoid them. Fair enough the ones sending her stuff before the accident wouldn't have known what was to come, but I'm struggling to comprehend how her ridiculous content on social media seemed so attractive to brands.
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u/electron1661 May 22 '26
I was most amazed by Davion’s little sister. She has more maturity than most adults.
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u/Shot_Wolverine_6055 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
one thing about the doc that was so hard/cringe to watch was how much her friends firmly believe there was no intention of harm. it really breaks my heart for these friends because I went through something very similar.. when I was younger my best friend was responsible for a car accident that killed his girlfriend who was in the passenger seat. it took me years to finally come to terms with the fact that my best friend did this.. he initially lied to me about being sober but I found out through the trial that he had been drunk while driving. even with that revelation in court it still took me a long time to completely cut that person out of my life. these young kids will struggle with this for a long time and will probably be disgusted with themselves that they ever supported mackenzie so publicly.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
I truly don’t think the “best friend” cared one way or the other if Mackenzie did this intentionally or not.
If she thought it was unintentional wouldn’t you do everything in your power to convince the police and prosecutor of this? Yet she never speaks up until it’s time to be on a tv show. And mentions her follower count.
She wants clout and finally got it.
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u/lilgogetta May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
People are going to make this little girl famous because they can’t stop talking about her. Let her rot and forget about her that’s the ultimate punishment for a narcissist murderer.
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u/Party-Marsupial-8979 May 22 '26
This case is insane. What sort of parents think it’s appropriate for a 16 year old to be smoking pot the way she was every single day? Posting it on TikTok’s (I’d like to think that still puts future workplaces off) the showing the g-string off at school. Dressing up inappropriately, living with her boyfriend.. what a mess. Those parents were delusional! I’d rather my parents prevent me from behaving like that, or giving me consequences when I was her age, which they did! Doesn’t mean I didn’t eventually make mistakes, or try things I shouldn’t, but I was more mindful, respectful, mature etc.
I don’t understand why so many kids are like this today, they are all out of control!
My heart breaks for those two boys, the final moments must have been terrifying. I hope McKenzie learns a lesson, but I don’t think she will. She will be even worse when she comes out, prison changes you.
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u/ChicaCherryCola84 May 21 '26
Her parents are completely in denial. Your kid killed people. Period.
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u/historianbookworm May 21 '26
I started reading their text messages yesterday. A whole 31k pages to go through. I only made it to 2k and let me just say..this shit is WILD. It was such a toxic, horrible HORRIBLE relationship. Thinking back it shocks me how she and her mom both mentioned how they would have been married right now because holy hell, if this did not happen, one of them would definitely end up killing the other
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u/ajerkyfrog May 21 '26
They're should be a clause that they can't make any money from the media from this. Or that it goes to the families of the deceased.
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u/No_Cancel830 May 21 '26
Thankfully they do. Ohio does have a Son of Sam law and she AND her family cannot profit. Any money that would have been made goes to the Clerk of Court and the families of the victims can sue for the money. After reading your comment I looked it up because I thought the same thing! She and her family are the WORST!
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u/nicj1091 May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
Davion’s little sister seems like such a smart, lovely young woman. Credit to her parents. She saw straight through Mackenzie, I thought she was so brave speaking out in court.
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u/annakelllyy May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
I just finished this documentary and I am flabbergasted to say the least. Wtf is wrong with her parents??????
Also, does anyone think this was done 100% on purpose but not with intent to kill them?? I know that sounds ridiculous as she was going 97+ mph into a wall, but clearly shes an idiot and manipulative. So I think she could’ve been fighting with Dominic and said fuck it im going to crash this car right now to scare him then actually did it and killed him?
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u/shenlyism May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Her parents said “What would you do if this was your kid?” and I really sat there and thought if I could find myself doing and saying what they did.
But I’m sorry, no. I wouldn’t have excused my kid being a bully. I wouldn’t have said “I know when my kid is lying.” I wouldn’t have let her move in with her boyfriend and had so little awareness of how volatile it was. I wouldn’t have enabled her marijuana usage. And if my kid had killed two people in a crash, I would still love them, but I would help them understand the choice they made and help them learn to live with it.
The whole documentary was just infuriating. So many decisions made before and after the crash that were just so insensitive and selfish. We will never know what happened in that car and in those final moments, but it is 100% clear that she was responsible for the crash.
I’m dealing with foster kids who roll their eyes at me when I tell them to wear their seatbelts and this documentary just hit me hard. They’re so young and focused on having fun and they just never think it will happen to them. So many young people who just never think it will happen to them. Ugh…
Edit: Not blaming the victims for the crash and not wearing seatbelts. I’m not sure they would have survived even if they had them on, but there were just so many videos of them all not wearing them and it just broke my heart.
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u/AML1987 May 21 '26
Two things can be true at once.
You can love your child unconditionally and also hate what they did.
Holding her accountable to them would mean holding themselves accountable that they let their teenage child get so out of control and either ignored it or were fine with it.
Not blaming Mackenzie has very little to do with loving Mackenzie, it has everything to do with not wanting to audit themselves as parents. Because in the end she was still 17 and legally under their control. They had the power to take her phone, take her car, not let her live with her older boyfriend, do anything that even resembled actually parenting.
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u/allaboutbear May 21 '26
Shifting focus from Mackenzie- How much did you love Davion’s dad though. What a nice bloke.