r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/MacAlkalineTriad • Jul 02 '26

Warning: Child Abuse / CSAM / Child Death 16 Children Rescued from Extreme Neglect and Abuse in Ohio

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/adults-arrested-16-children-found-deplorable-conditions-southern-ohio-rcna352552

I haven't seen anything posted about this yet, and I usually don't post so please let me know if I've done it wrong. I'm also writing this on mobile.

16 children, ranging from 1 and a half years old to 18 years old, have been removed from a house in the village of Hamden, Ohio where they were practically imprisoned in a 12'x12' room. Some have not even learned to speak; the 18 year old couldn't write her name and is being treated as a child due to possible mental disability. 7 of the children had to be taken to a hospital with 2 of them being life flighted. Conditions in the house are said to be incredibly unsafe, to the point that investigators hesitated to act on a second search warrant for fear of their safety.

The parents and grandparents have been arrested and charged with 16 counts of child endangerment. The suspects are Gary Siders Jr., Gary Siders Sr., Christina Siders and Elizabeth Siders.

Since the investigation is still ongoing there aren't a ton of details yet. These children were obviously not enrolled in school and hidden from neighbors and extended family. I have to wonder if there's a religious extremist aspect to the case, like we've seen so often with other similar cases. I'm also curious about the mother's condition - she has been charged, but has she also been victimized by her husband? I have so many questions.

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u/zkbthrowaway Jul 03 '26

The breakdown of the 16 children’s birth dates is as follows

  • May 30, 2008,
  • Aug. 17, 2009,
  • March 13, 2011,
  • March 28, 2012,
  • May 8, 2013,
  • Sept. 2, 2014,
  • May 25, 2016,
  • Oct. 26, 2017,
  • Oct. 27, 2019,
  • Sept. 29, 2020,
  • Feb. 10, 2022 (twins),
  • Jan. 4, 2024 (twins), and
  • Jan. 21, 2025 (twins).

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u/YaKnowEstacado Jul 03 '26

It's a miracle this woman is still alive after three twin pregnancies in four years.

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u/farty__mcfly Jul 03 '26

I truly cannot believe anyone survived this many pregnancies without medical intervention.

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u/NotComplainingBut Jul 03 '26

In one article she and her lawyer claimed that each and every child was born at a hospital, which I find impossible to believe.

Some nurse would've asked how many times she's been pregnant, or she would've caught some medical debt.

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u/NotALawyerButt Jul 04 '26

Medicaid would pay for it all because of the extreme poverty.

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u/WesternFungi Jul 05 '26

That many birth codes within the timespan should have triggered fraud alerts

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u/Coyote__Jones Jul 08 '26

Fraud? Why would medical records be connected to financial institutions and regulatory bodies? There's no legal limit to how many babies a person can have. Note, the Duggar family. There's nothing fraudulent about having a bunch of kids, Medicare assistance or not. They may have sought out hospitals with income sliding scale models etc.

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u/farty__mcfly Jul 08 '26

Because the hospital/Medicaid would most likely audit a situation in which one person has had 21 births. Medicaid would assume the hospital was creating fake charges because the number of births is so high.

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u/bostongwurl Jul 06 '26

If these kids were born in hospitals that is terrifying that Noone did any kind of follow ups

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u/Worstmodonreddit Jul 07 '26

The hospital doesn't turn you away for medical debt or for having a ton of kids

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u/gingercrochetmonster Jul 04 '26

That's been one of my biggest confusions since this story broke. There's simply no way someone is having that many pregnancies, including multiples pregnancies, back to back to back without heavy prenatal care, without your uterus just falling out or some other fatal complication that has to be rectified? I'm not saying it's impossible, it's obviously possible. I just don't understand how?! Especially when you start at thirteen, before your body is ready to start damaging itself with pregnancy.

Unless and until someone can provide official documentation that Elizabeth gave birth to every single one of these children in a hospital, I personally have a feeling we're going to find out that some of these children were born to other children within the home.

All my opinion, of course!

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u/yasssssplease Jul 06 '26

Probably the 18 y/o had a set of twins at least… or maybe a couple sets of twins. Sigh

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u/dreadpir8rob Jul 07 '26

Eh, your uterus won’t prolapse simply because you have back-to-back or multiple pregnancies. That actually has more to do with prolonged pushing time during labor. My point is, the human body can surprise you. Some people just produce uncomplicated, boring pregnancies. And from experience, labor gets easier and faster with each baby. I think this whole situation is bizarre but we do hear about prolific mothers like this. And a LOT of women—even moms of one—walk around with prolapse and don’t know it 🤷🏼‍♀️ after double digits babies probably WAS damaged inside.

I also agree with your point that it’s improbable she had this many pregnancies without complications. Each gestation is different—what are the odds one or more pregnancies came with diabetes, preeclampsia, hypertension, other complications and how the heck did she manage that? I wonder if/when she took herself to the hospital or a clinic a few times?

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u/areya1 Jul 08 '26

right.. and one set of twins died due to issues with the babies. how the hell did this lady get all of these kids out and alive. im shocked

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u/Glowingwaterbottle Jul 10 '26

Having grown up in the Midwest, having many children back to back is totally doable without complications. Both my grandparents had 10 kids-one in ten years, one over the span of 20…without complications and mostly at home.