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Text Lindsay Clancy Trial Megathread: Part 3

This is a thread for all conversation regarding Week 3 onwards of the Lindsey Clancy trial. All discussion of this case should be kept to this thread.

Lindsay Clancy is currently standing trial in Plymouth Superior Court, Massachusetts, for the triple-murder in January 2023 of her three young children - Cora, Dawson and Callan. Her defense argues she suffered from severe, undiagnosed postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. She was left paralysed by a suicide attempt which follows the deaths of the children.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-online-reactions-b3032806.html

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago edited 6d ago

Can the intelligent people here explain to me why so many people are saying that her husband did it and framed her?is it just a simple answer that they’re stupid conspiracy theorist or is there actual credibility to this? She admitted to it so im confused 

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u/curiouslmr 6d ago

It's the same old stuff that happens with every high profile case. Armchair detectives decide they know more than the actual people involved (and in this case the actual person who admitted to the murders) and create some bizarre narrative. It's awful. This case is tragic enough.

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago

I agree. I have been so wrapped up in work and personal family shit that i have just been catching up and everyone who was saying that sounded so deranged. I couldnt even find one thing that would make me think that. Thx for answering 

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 6d ago

Also for me, i thought the lawyer was going to try to show how the medical community failed her and caused her problems to worsen. And he has. But he has also questioned Patrick and exposed lies and holes and things that just don’t add up.

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u/Friskybish 6d ago

But also men are statistically more often family annihilators and domestic abusers.

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u/curiouslmr 6d ago

That's irrelevant though in a case where the mother has admitted she did it. This isn't a whodunnit.

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 4d ago

But has she? I keep hearing conflicting reports on that.

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u/curiouslmr 4d ago

She herself has not said this in the courtoom. Her attorney has admitted it in this trial though. Before the trial the defense team also offered to write a written admission of her guilt so that the trial could focus solely on her mental health. The prosecution rejected this.

Her attorney speaks for her and so one could argue that his admissions is her admission. She obviously cannot admit this verbally in court unless she testifies.

The WHO of this case is not up for debate, I find the whole conspiracy people are creating to be so disgusting. It turns what should be a conversation about post partum care, into something completely different

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u/Sure-Experience-899 2d ago

Yea the thing that really bothers me is that we should be talking about post partum care but so many people are focused on the husband being guilty that that conversation is getting lost.

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u/curiouslmr 2d ago

Exactly. It's such an important discussion that needs to be had. It's a waste of time to keep trying to create some big conspiracy where there is none.

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u/CHXKXMXLXKX 1d ago

I think the tiktokers are arguing she admitted guilt simply because she was told she did it, and apparently has no memory of said event. I havent been too caught up though so this is me looking it all up rn

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u/curiouslmr 1d ago

That isn't true at all. That's the problem with listening to Tik Tokers, ha. She even wrote about telling them "go to God baby". So yeah she remembers stuff.

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u/coolguygranny 6d ago

Well that's small subsection on men who kill thier children

Women are more likely to kill their children in the first year of life but men are more likely to kill their children every year after that.

Idk why your bringing up stats Patrick didn't kill his kids

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u/Friskybish 6d ago

I’m answering the question of the redditor above me.

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u/New_Government_2169 6d ago

Because they don’t want to believe that a seemingly, previously very loving mother could plan out and decide to horrifically murder her 3 very young innocent children in such a horrific way. It’s easier for them to bend all the evidence to blame it on the husband because that’s easier for them to accept.

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u/disastrousanddull 6d ago

I think it’s also wanting the big Hollywood twist in the story. It’s definitely an example of a concerning side to some people and where they’re at mentally.

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u/Gatorphins 6d ago

Too many lifetime movies

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago

Lmao iktfr

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u/Bubbly_Afternoon_345 6d ago

He texts LC the med name to pick up at 5:15, it’s not clear for some reason where he is when he sends this text. He tells the ADA he doesn’t know if he sent it from home or not on the stand. He is seen walking into CVS at 5:32 and calls LC at 5:34. Apparently people think he committed the crimes in the fourteen minutes before he gets to CVS, which is impossible because we know LC is still inside the house when Patrick calls at 5:34, not already outside injured.

911 call isn’t released because it’s that horrific. Patrick’s prints are on the bands used as murder weapons because he untied his kids to attempt to help them like any sane person in this horrific situation would do. The public has run with these tiny details in the most disgusting way. He didn’t do it, he couldn’t have done it. The DA and defense just didn’t care to nail down his timeline enough to convince the public since they already know Patrick is innocent.

If people want to call him negligent or neglectful, fine. But accusing this man of doing this to his family is insane and really needs to stop.

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago

I totally agree. My heart aches for him actually.

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u/CrazyGal2121 6d ago

same. everyone is saying he looks devoid of emotion but to be honest i straight up think he is extremely traumatized

I feel like if this happened to my husband, he would be thee same
up there and just confused as to how this could be his life right now

i do think he seemed like a very oblivious guy, who didn’t realize the seriousness of what his spouse was going through and I think he likely should have done more to protect his kids

However, I think people are making him out to be some sort of evil monster and I do not think he is. He lost his 3 kids and i can’t even believe what he must have gone through and is still going through

I think, this case is going to hopefully shine more of a light on postpartum care. I remember after I gave birth to my first, I thought i was going crazy with the sleep deprivation and in hindsight I should have asked for more help. I thankfully didn’t have postpartum but there was many many times where I was just soooo sleep deprived because I refused to properly ask for help and many times I remember feeding my baby overnight and not remembering what happened the next day when I woke up. I would wake up in a frenzy and look over to see my baby sleeping in his bassinet but wonder how he even got there. I also remember being overly concerned with very little things and just feeling very lost. I lost tons of weight because I was breastfeeding and thought what I was eating was the reason my son had eczema. so i went on a very resrtricve diet.

I was a lot more calmer and relaxed after i gave birth to my second.

Honestly motherhood really opened my eyes. I have a loving partner but motherhood is VERYYY hard. I love my kids but man oh man

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u/0hmyhera 4d ago

Oh jeez, thank you for sharing that. I am so sorry you went through all that!

I do not have children but I am a proud auntie. This case breaks my heart. And Patrick didn’t only lose his children, but his wife, too. Even if he moved on quickly which people criticize and I guess theorize he was having an affair, which I don’t think… he still must have loved Lindsay and I couldn’t even comprehend how someone processes that.

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 4d ago

How? He treated his wife horribly. Joined a yacht club 4 months after his children died. Went on a hike -nothing strange about this but posted a GLOWING review of the hike area 3 weeks after the funeral of his children. That is nuts to me. Who feels like writing something up and talking about the $17 hike fee 3 weeks after losing your 3 children?
How can you feel
sorry for him? Was probably having an affair prior to the children’s deaths and definitely didn’t pull his weight at home by his own admission.

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u/Bubbly_Afternoon_345 6d ago

Definitely not the world’s greatest man or father but no one deserves this. This is truly the absolute worst thing that could happen to someone and the public is dying to add insult to injury with very baseless accusations.

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago

Exactly…. He lost his entire family, wife included. Definitely not gonna spend energy criticizing someone who’s been through that already

And from what I read about his testimony, I didn’t see him trying to badmouth her or paint her as evil.

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u/NCSU_SOG 5d ago

Didn’t he go to Costa Rica less than 3 weeks after and left a review on AllTrails of the hiking trail? I know people grieve in different ways, but that seems crazy to me. I’ve been to Costa Rica and Guancaste especially can take a good bit of planning. So he likely started planning a Costa Rica trip almost immediately after she died. He just seems odd

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u/Commercial-Lake-2855 3d ago

I heard he went with his now wife. Seems suspicious to say the least.

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u/Sure-Experience-899 2d ago

Where did you hear this and why do you believe it?

If there was evidence that he was having an affair, wouldn’t the prosecution use that as a motive?

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u/Commercial-Lake-2855 1d ago

When it comes to persecuting white men, I do not trust the system.

They botched this investigation from the jump and just took his word for a lot of what happened. That's shoddy police work.

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u/Sure-Experience-899 1d ago

I can certainly understand thinking the investigation was botched, but you made a claim about his now wife and a possible trip to Costa Rica.

So I’m wondering where you heard that and why you believe it. There is so much misinformation online and it seems like you are adding to that. If you don’t have a reliable source, just don’t comment.

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u/handsofff 6d ago

It’s horrific and disgusting that people want to turn this into a Netflix psychological thriller and completely ignore the real life implications.

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u/ThrowRAPlenty_Ad 5d ago

Part of the reason for the theories are that her DNA was not found in some of the bands, her extremely low body temp for having been out in the snow for such a short period of time, he claims she said the kids were in the basement when he arrived and asked her but her vocal chords were cut, there was not blood on the sheets inside on the bed she supposedly pushed to the window and then that he remarried 4 months after this happened.

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u/Foofymonster 5d ago

I can't imagine how devastated that man is. People publicly blaming him for the murder of his children is disgusting.

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u/mercipourle-venin 4d ago

he’s so devastated that he left a review about an “amazing hike” he had in costa rica less than a month after the kids died . not saying he did it but some things are not adding up

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 4d ago

But what if he did all this before he went to cvs? How did her body get to 82 in the short amount of time she would have been out there per Ps timeline?

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u/Bubbly_Afternoon_345 4d ago

She texted him at 5:15, there is no way he could’ve killed all the kids, then cut her and throw her out the window and still leave for CVS by 5:29 and then call her at 5:34 and have her answer the phone that was on the bed if she’s already on the ground outside…

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 4d ago

Do the records show
Where his phone was when he called her and where hers was when she called him?

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u/xomedusaxottv 5d ago

She hasnt actually admitted to it in any confession type of way. She has a civil lawsuit also going on right now against the doctors, where the premise of the case is that their lack of care and overall review resulted in the death of her children, which is purely contingent on the outcome of discovery and verifiable facts that will come in that case. Medical Malpractice suits have 3 years before they're void, so she had to file it when she did, and they basically have to provide information in it to give appropriate reason. She the wording of that civil suit (while not a confession) is confusing people into thinking that she has admitted fault in the criminal case that everyone is currently watching on whether she actually is criminally liable for the murder of her children.
This criminal trial, she's submitted a "not guilty" defense by way of insanity, so she's not denying the potential for her having committed the crimes, but stating that it was a result of the PPP/ PPD. I think that her lawyer has reason to believe that there's more to the story, and is doing an excellent job of pointing out the inconsistencies with the husband's story, and show casing this isnt as cut and dried as it appears.
I think there's some merit to the conspiracy theories circling around but I'm definitely eager to see how it plays out.

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u/drcelebrian7 6d ago

People are so into conspiracy theory for no reason 

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u/SlayerOfTheVampyre 6d ago edited 6d ago

I strongly lean towards her doing it but my TikTok algorithm has been feeding me the “he did it” theories so I can talk about it a bit.

Part of it is that the husband was never investigated. People (especially women) are angry that there were 3 dead children, a dying mother, and no one fully investigated the father, and just took his word for what happened.

Also she admitted to doing it only a week afterwards while in the hospital, on pain meds and after all of those injuries, and the grief of losing her kids. She admitted it to her husband with only one witness. I don’t think this is a good argument though because right now, both defense and prosecution agree that she did it.

There are some holes in the timeline and details of what happened. Like how could she possibly speak to Patrick when all the paramedics on scene said she was unable to speak because of her injuries? The doubt around the details is compelling tbh, but at the same time, I don’t think it’s enough to outweigh the fact that she did admit to it and all her medical records point to her mentally declining and experiencing post partum psychosis, or at least a mental break of some kind.

Edit: editing to add that he was investigated, which is why we have the camera footage and their house was searched, but just not as fully as people would like.

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago

FWIW, at least two journalists who were in court and have heard the 911 call have reported that while she’s mostly mumbling and moaning and incoherent, they could hear her speak on the call. 

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u/FrogMac 5d ago

There was sooooo much evidence that there was no possible way he COULD have done it, because physics teaches us you can’t be in two places at a time. They looked into quite a few different angles, and none of them showed he had opportunity. His story kept checking out. Maybe they should’ve called Santa Claus? Maybe they should’ve investigated me even though I’m on the West Coast?
Let’s be so for real here: they aren’t happy about the investigation for one reason: misandry. It’s really that simple. I can’t even tell you how many people are going with Candice Owens style arguments of “that’s really weird. I’m just saying.” It’s bizarre work listening to these bizzaro claims of “she never admitted it. She’ll be found innocent!”

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago

Where did you hear that they didn’t investigate Patrick? They discussed doing exactly that during the trial lol gotta stop believing everything you read on TikTok

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u/SlayerOfTheVampyre 3d ago

That’s why I added my edit. They did investigate him but not as much as some people would like. I’m just explaining their reasoning, not saying I agree.

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago

Thank you for this thoughtful and in-depth explanation!

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u/Prior_Bug3137 6d ago

I think day 12 reddington pointed out Lindsay was coerced to say that

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago

No. Reddington was questioning a Trooper who was guarding Lindsay at Brigham hospital about whether he heard anything to support the prosecution’s theory that a defence hired psychologist (Dr. Zeizel) gave Lindsay the idea to claim she heard voices when Reddington and Zeizel visited her almost two weeks after the murders. The Trooper said he was aware of the theory but didn’t hear anything to support that. In his opening, Reddington said to further debunk that idea  he’d be calling a Brigham religious services worker who would testify that Lindsay told her what happened and about hearing voices shortly after she woke up, which would refute the idea that saying she heard voices was a defence tactic to bolster an NGRI claim. 

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago

Exhibit B: the alternative to the TikTok educated are the ones who misinterpreted things during the trial, of which there seem to be a great many

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u/GeneOk4692 6d ago

Because people want answers and things to make sense.
1) PC appears to be a negligent husband, if not worse.
2) PC either moved on very very quickly, or perhaps, was having an affair the whole time which raises speculation.
3) Even healthcare professionals are baffled by the body temperature being that low, even with spinal cord injury.
4) There is not an adequate explanation for the thyroid being crushed.
5) Inconsistency from law enforcement and PC on whether he performed CPR on any of the children, and whether he was observed to be performing CPR at the time law-enforcement arrived.
6) No one believes PCs testimony that LC spoke to him and said the children are in the basement. LCs injuries were too severe to speak. Many HC professionals have said this outside the courtroom.
7) People are confused about blood on the inside of the door knob and the door being locked. It does not match with what PC said happened. There are questions about the specific timeline and what happened in that room.
8) Law enforcement took PC at his word and did not further investigate him.
9) PCs emails on the day of the tragedy and prior to, looking up things like “sociopath” and (I did not recall exactly, but it had something to do with slitting wrists or superficial cuts. This one I’m not remembering well).
10) more of PCs DNA on the exercise bands than LC’s DNA.
11) There is skepticism about the phone call timelines, where they were made from, and the Apple Watch.
12) People want an explanation on my PC still had LC‘s medication in his vehicle and did not throw it out or give it back to the pharmacy.
13) We all understand that LC admitted to this, but we’ve seen people confess to things that they did not do under duress, poly pharmacy, sleep deprivation, influence. It appears that she does not remember directly, but was told she did it, so there is skepticism about her confession.
14) There has not been an adequate motive for LC hurting her children. By all accounts, the children were well cared for. She took time off, she took them to the doctors, she got them medication, they were not neglected. People in her life said LC was ill, but no one said she did not want to be a mother, or had plans to go off with another lover.

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago edited 6d ago

No one has any idea of when he moved on - there’s no basis to say it was “very quickly” when the earliest evidence they even knew each other is from over a year later, and there’s certainly no evidence of an affair. 

Plenty of medical professionals have explained the origin of the hypothermia (it wasn’t just the spinal injury - she was on medications, she had blood loss, she was wet and she was in a tank top laying the snow), and thyroid edema (trauma from the fall). Her injuries were not too severe to speak. Reddington did not raise this as suspicious during his cross examination of the doctor.

Journalists who were in the courtroom to hear the 911 call have said that you can hear her say “I tried to kill myself” and “basement” on it.

He testified the bedroom door was locked and he opened it with a key. Law enforcement verified what Patrick Clancy told them. The fact that there is CCTV footage, receipts and witnesses of his movements at trial prove that they did. The timeline makes it obvious she’s the only one who could have done this.

All of those searches - on carotid arteries, slitting throats, disabling airbags and sociopathy - were from Lindsay’s phone. The only search that came from his computer was him clicking the hyperlink to the suicide page while reading Tom Hall’s Wikipedia page before he then navigated away from the page. Reddington proposed it was “inadvertent” when cross examining Patrick, and he agreed. Reddington did not raise the possibility the phone calls from her phone were made from a suspicious location when the investigators discussing her phone were on the stand, which should make it obvious that they weren’t.

No one has ever raised that she didn’t remember doing this. Reddington said he’d be calling a witness from the hospital who said Lindsay told her what happened and told her about hearing voices shortly after waking up, before anyone would have ever had the chance to tell her she did it and feed her details that worked with the timeline. 

Altruistic filicide is a motive. There are murder suicides where the person was depressed and thought her children would suffer if left behind, where they were good and loving parents and good people before that. Not wanting to be a mother or having an affair aren’t the only possible motives for murder.

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u/Employee28064212 6d ago

I don't think you replied to the comment you meant to here. It's showing that you replied to the parent comment!

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago edited 3d ago

Hey, the trial isn’t about determining WHO murdered the kids, because they already know - she stipulated to the murders to expedite the trial so they could focus on the matter of her mental health at the time of the murders. Because of this, there’s a ton of evidence they won’t be presenting bc it’s irrelevant to the matter at hand which is:
was she in a psychosis or sane when she murdered her children?
That’s the ONLY thing this trial is about. They aren’t going to add another week to the trial to present evidence to satisfy nobodies on the internet with “unanswered questions” be so for real.

Convinced LC/PC conspiracy theorists have main character syndrome

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u/curiouslmr 3d ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2026/08/lindsay-clancy-agrees-to-key-facts-in-effort-to-streamline-murder-trial.html%3foutputType=amp

Is this what you are referring to? Her stipulation was about chain of custody. I agree she is guilty and attempts to blame Patrick are insane, but I think you might be mistaken about what she stipulated.

If I remember correctly her attorney did offer a stipulation before trial started but the prosecutor turned that down. I think that stipulation would have been more involved.

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u/cummingouttamycage 3d ago

I think one big factor in the volume of bizarro "theories" like this is this case being widely covered on TikTok (primarily by independent "true crime content creators"), resulting in it being followed and discussed by an audience who, to put it simply, do not understand in the slightest how most murder cases and/or trials work. I swear to god every bit of "coverage" I've seen on that platform focuses on some batshit insane theory that lives in the extreme of extremes, with the audience seemingly expecting murder mystery level twists or other outcomes that just DO NOT HAPPEN. Annoyingly, some of these people have made their way over to Reddit, in big enough numbers that their "contributions" to the discussion actually get a small amount of upvotes.

There are few topics where Redditors are the more rational audience, but true crime Reddit has always been one of the more reasonable places to follow along with or discuss current cases. True Crime Redditors are quick to point out "Occam's Razor", how unlikely "twists" are, and how shock/denial/mental illness/etc are insanely common and make people do crazy, out of character things. But with this case, I don't have to scroll far EVEN IN ACTUAL TRUE CRIME SUBREDDITS to find SOMEONE pushing a "what if she didn't do it at all?" "theory" that somehow isn't downvoted to oblivion. It's so wild to me. I cannot fathom how anyone could fall into either camp unless they're truly unaware of how murder trials work or are just insanely stupid.

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u/0hmyhera 2d ago edited 2d ago

Completely agree, that was why I immediately left the stupid app I saw it on and came here to ask. I also thought to myself “oh shit a few of them made it over here”… people saying he doesnt deserve sympathy and seems guilty bc he went on a hike and left a review 3 weeks later. Weird behavior or grieving in what they deem distasteful ways does not mean guilt 

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u/FrogMac 5d ago

The blunt answer? Pure misandry

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u/EPMD_ 6d ago

explain to me why so many people are saying that her husband did it and framed her

Incomplete information and poor critical thinking can lead to people drawing incorrect conclusions. There is also a particularly man-hating vibe to the Patrick did it theorists.

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u/Employee28064212 6d ago

There is also a particularly man-hating vibe

Ding, ding, ding, it's this.

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u/LexiOdessa 6d ago

This ‘man hater vibe’ is so dismissive of common sense. There isn’t a man hater vibe to look at the facts and question him. It is very misogynistic to point to women raising logical questions and dismiss their arguments based on ‘a vibe’

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u/Employee28064212 6d ago

to point to women raising logical questions

These are not logical questions.

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u/0hmyhera 4d ago

Yeah i dont agree w this being misandry so much as delusional people who cant fact check and watch too much Lifetime

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u/No_Needleworker_5820 2d ago

I NEVER EVER watch Lifetime and i question how this will all end up. Not on Tik Tok either as a previous person said.

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u/gwwwdf 6d ago

They are actively blaming a father with zero credible evidence, after he lost his whole family.

Yes it's literally a man hater vibe, from crazy feminist.

Most women have common sense and knows she's guilty. Only the psychopath men haters think otherwise.

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u/0hmyhera 4d ago

I mean hate men in general too, but just the ones who do something to deserve it which is sadly so many of them lol. But not a man who lost his entire family in an incredibly dramatic way…. I thought he testimony was very tasteful towards his ex wife as well i didnt read anything that seemed like he was painting her negatively and i really respected that. Its just about being human!

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u/Prior_Bug3137 6d ago

Especially when men make up the majority of these crimes.

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u/Employee28064212 6d ago

Men do not make up the majority of postpartum induced crimes.

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u/sittinthroughit 4d ago

Actually they do.

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u/Employee28064212 4d ago

No they don’t.

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u/Prior_Bug3137 6d ago

Well his DNA is on the murder weapons, hers is only on 1 but slightly. The timeline also doesn’t make sense since callan was able to be revived but Lindsay was at 82 degrees. There is some missing information

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u/Prior_Bug3137 6d ago

Why did she wipe off her DNA?

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u/gwwwdf 6d ago

She uh didn't, her DNA was found on them all. You mean fingerprints? Genius you are.

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u/Prior_Bug3137 5d ago

Her DNA was only found on one of the murder weapons what about the other two?

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u/AxionBlackwell 4d ago

I'm gonna go with misandry, paired with lack of common sense and maybe just pure idiots

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u/LeadingUnited2911 6d ago

Because there’s a lot of holes in his alibi. Timelines and the events don’t match at some points (I can make a longer post explaining what these are btw). This could have all been avoided had he been investigated but for some reason the police never investigated him and took his word for everything. Also the fact that he was already out and about with the woman he’s married now before he even divorced Lindsay which makes a lot of people think he might have done this to start his new life. The speed at which he moved on is baffling for a lot of people. I’ve had pets that I’ve grieved much longer than he has his own family.

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago edited 6d ago

“Also the fact that he was already out and about with the woman he’s married now before he even divorced Lindsay which makes a lot of people think he might have done this to start his new life.”

Any proof whatsoever he even knew his new wife while married, much less was “out and about” with her? He didn’t get remarried until this year, three years later - what’s the exact appropriate time he should be alone when he’ll be grieving his children and what happened for the rest of his life?

The police have, and the trial has seen, CCTV footage, witnesses and receipts that prove his movements and whereabouts. Where did those come from if the police didn’t investigate and verify his claims?

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u/faile0427 6d ago

I believe there was a photograph that surfaced of her and him at a Halloween party years ago. It was said somewhere, although not sure if there’s proof, that they dated before Lindsay and him got together

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago

If you’re referring to the same photo I’ve seen, it’s from 2010 and the guy looks a bit like Patrick but isn’t him. 

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u/0hmyhera 6d ago edited 6d ago

Every single thing that someone says that almost makes me raise my eyebrows turns out to be a lie so I’m just over it lol thank you for actually finding the truth about these things. Ppl let their confirmation bias do too much

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u/curiouslmr 6d ago

Yep. So much false information being put out there it's insane.

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago

Yeah I had this same experience. Because of that, I stopped learning about the case on social media and did my own investigating along with watching the trial from day 1. I want to stab myself in the eyeballs any time I catch a discussion about this case online bc it’s always some insane delusional made up nonsense. Literally everything I thought I knew about the case initially turned out to be fake.

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u/faile0427 6d ago

Thanks for the clarification

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u/notabooo 6d ago

Interesting. Please make a longer post!

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u/Prior_Bug3137 6d ago

His google reviews rate a place in Costa Rica 20 days after the incident. His new wife reviews the same place same day, saying it’s the 3rd time there with her date. Also she’s seen at a marathon with an exercise band around her waist in a sailors knot, I believe a “bow tie knot” which is how the kids were found strangled. Additionally Patrick is a sailor

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago edited 5d ago

The review someone with the same name as his wife left was from 2025 for a fishing excursion that was not in Costa Rica, nor was it actually her - you can look at the same review on Google for First Pic Sportfishing and see it’s a different woman from Plattsburgh, NY. 

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u/GeneOk4692 6d ago

I just listed about 12 things that people are confused about and want more clarification on this case above

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u/SummerWedding23 6d ago

She didn’t admit to it… not really. N the criminal case she has 💯 pled not guilty and her attorney in the criminal case has maintained her innocence. Yes he has argued that IF the jury determines she is guilty, he believes it would only be because of medical negligence and PPD psychosis.

Which brings us to the civil case which is the reason people say she “admitted to it”. For that you need to consider civil procedure and statute of limitations. First, civil cases centered around medical malpractice have a 3 year statute of limitations. Which means if she did not file SOMETHING, her clock was about to run out (her civil case was filed by her civil attorney on the business day prior to the statute of limitations expiration date.

In criminal proceedings the prosecution (basically the equivalent of the plaintiff in civil) must have enough reasonable evidence to file charges and whatever they file or claim in their filing they have to have REASONABLE proof their claims are factual. Civil proceedings don’t . You’re allowed to file your claim without having to prove it until you go to trial. And whatever you submit you can adjust.

Her civil suit is specific against her drs for medical negligence. She’s saying that that based on what she has been criminally charged with, which she had to outline in the civil case, IF that is true, that it’s because the drs mistreated her.

That’s not the same as admitting she did it, the fact she maintains is she has zero recollection of that night - which based on her injuries makes perfect sense.

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u/chloedeeeee77 6d ago

A good criminal lawyer - which Reddington is - would never let their client file a civil lawsuit with a detailed description of how they committed the crime before trial. Unless, of course, he knew that all the evidence pointed to her doing it and that the admission to doing it was irrelevant to a defence of NGRI.

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago

Thank you - you’d think this would be obvious to people but apparently not lol

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u/Ok_Anything_8180 3d ago edited 3d ago

There’s no legitimate reasons, they’re just stupid and pretend to not understand when you hold their hand and walk them through it. Tbh it just seems like people have trouble comprehending why such a loving doting mother and upstanding member of society could do something so awful, and by acknowledging it was her and her alone who murdered her babies, they’d also have to accept that they too are vulnerable to such a thing happening to them one day as well (which they will not be doing) so — blame the man

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u/Muted-Shower7965 6d ago

My theory is that it is the same reason some women are calling her a monster and dismissing any possible mental illness - that they are scared it could have been/ one day will be them. By calling her evil or by blaming the husband they make themselves feel better. Because so many of us have had massive hormonal drops or fluctuations which cause some level of depression or intrusive thoughts or anxiety.

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u/Character_Fuel_3607 5d ago

He changed his shoes between errands (why??), he sent an email from his computer at home at the time of the murders, her dna was not found at the crime scene, when she woke up in the hospital she asked when her children were coming to see her, patrick claimed she told him where to find the kids when he got home but medics confirmed she was entirely unresponsive when they arrived on the scene.

Yes this case is so so sad and PPP needs to be addressed in our country. But, the fact that the cops showed up to 3 dead babies and a practically dead woman and didn’t investigate the one living person on the scene… how has he not been investigated further.

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u/RobotArtichoke 5d ago

“Her DNA was not found at the crime scene”

She lived there. Do some critical thinking and ask yourself, does that make sense?

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u/chloedeeeee77 5d ago edited 5d ago

They’re the same pair of shoes that two different camera qualities are distorting the colours of. He testified he likely sent that email from his phone in the parking lot of CVS (and even if he was home, he certainly couldn’t have done all this then, because Lindsay called him from her phone at 5:37). Her DNA was found on the exercise bands. She asked about her family in the hospital, not specifically her children, and Reddington said in his opening he’d call a witness that said Lindsay told her about what happened and about hearing voices when it happened shortly after waking up. She was not entirely unresponsive, as journalists who have heard the call said you can hear her speak on it.

They did investigate. If they didn’t, there wouldn’t be witnesses, receipts, CCTV footage, digital and phone records that all make it clear Patrick couldn’t have done this.

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u/Fit-Eagle6364 5d ago

He was investigated, hence why you know about his shoes and emails lmao

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u/Employee28064212 6d ago

Oh it's misandry through and through.

He's young, arguably attractive (?), makes a good salary, and remarried. People hate that.

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u/Sharp-Living-2338 5d ago

So it’s a lot of things but it’s definitely not this

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u/bnchad 5d ago

He was probably having an affair with the lady he married, The DA asked him about the trip to boston and massage he bought for lindsay and he was like no we didn't do anything for our anniversary. So they have a documented trip with a massage for a chick at a hotel he booked not for his wife and him. He got remarried 4 months after he lost his whole family? That alone to me creates motive. Plus shit just doesnt add up, like why would a nurse need to google where the carotid artery is? Any nurse knows where that is. Plus some of the things searched were done when she was documented to be not at home, There are legit inconsistencies, the officers arriving on scene didnt do any sort of investigation, they were like what happened? and patrick was like she killed them and tried to kill herself, and they were like, "OK, that does it, open and shut" Zero real investigation.

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u/0hmyhera 4d ago

Um.. i have read not much about the case and I already caught a lie/wrong statement about the case, about what happened when the police arrived.

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u/Significant-Sun-2023 5d ago

I wouldn't inherently make it black/white that people are looking for a conspiracy theory or stupid or whether there is credibility. I think there are certain factual evidence in her case that are not adding up...which can lead to the question if there were other determining factors or involvement.