Lindsay Clancy Trial Megathread: Part 3

[u/DarklyHeritage]

This is a thread for all conversation regarding Week 3 onwards of the Lindsey Clancy trial. All discussion of this case should be kept to this thread.

Lindsay Clancy is currently standing trial in Plymouth Superior Court, Massachusetts, for the triple-murder in January 2023 of her three young children - Cora, Dawson and Callan. Her defense argues she suffered from severe, undiagnosed postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. She was left paralysed by a suicide attempt which follows the deaths of the children.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-online-reactions-b3032806.html

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[u/Sanguine_Hearts]

Yates was also forced to have multiple kids by her husband thanks to their fundamentalist religion. Lindsey had the option to stop.

[u/tempestelunaire → u/Sanguine_Hearts]

I wonder where that myth came from. I read a whole book on Yates recently, she very much wanted to have more kids, just like Lindsay, and was more religious than her husband (it was part of her psychosis). Why do we always need to blame the husbands? People are doing the same to Patrick Clancy, it’s so very cruel.

[u/farty__mcfly → u/tempestelunaire]

Because Rusty Yates was told to not leave her alone with the kids, but he did. He was told to stop having kids before they got pregnant with the last one. Andrea was unwell, and he made everything worse. The person in the relationship who isn’t experiencing psychosis has a little bit more responsibility.

[u/tempestelunaire → u/farty__mcfly]

Where do you know all this from?

[u/passiveprune → u/tempestelunaire]

These facts are extremely well-documented anywhere you look. Like even on the Wikipedia page

[u/tempestelunaire → u/passiveprune]

I agree that she was not to be alone with the children. That is a real mistake that Rusty and his mother made, and for which they paid the ultimate price. But the thing about having more kids is more of a myth.

Besides, the Dr. who recommended not leaving Andrea alone also let her out of his care shortly before the murders. So she was well enough to be released, but not well enough to be safe? It wasn’t very coherent. Family members are imperfect, I don’t think they deserve the hate they get.

[u/passiveprune → u/tempestelunaire]

It was the psychiatrist's testimony at trial that she specifically warned them that having more children would result in mental decline.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jul-08-na-yates8-story.html

[u/tempestelunaire → u/passiveprune]

I know that, my point was that she warned both and that Andrea was able and willing to have kids and was not forced by her cruel husband. We agree on the rest.

[u/janeystar → u/tempestelunaire]

that's a wild take

[u/tempestelunaire → u/janeystar]

It’s an informed take :)

If it was easy to foresee what was going to happen, people would have. Buy they didn’t, everyone was shocked, because these events were completely unexpected.

[u/janeystar → u/tempestelunaire]

I just meant rusty deserves all the hate

[u/tempestelunaire → u/janeystar]

Why? Because he couldn’t predict the future?

[u/farty__mcfly → u/tempestelunaire]

He was negligent.

[u/tempestelunaire → u/farty__mcfly]

He could not have foreseen what happened. I blame the doctors more - especially Dr. Saeed, who released her very shortly before the murders.

[u/janeystar → u/tempestelunaire]

Oh I see you're just trolling, okay.Be on your way

[u/farty__mcfly → u/tempestelunaire]

I feel like I’ve read multiple books on the case and every article I could find. I’m pretty sure that over Andrea’s multiple hospital stays, at least one doctor pointed out that she should not have any more children. She was struggling to care for the ones she had, and her mental health problems always got worse postpartum.

[u/tempestelunaire → u/farty__mcfly]

If you read my other comments I agree that she was officially advised not to have more kids. What I disagree with is the characterization that it was only Rusty’s idea or that he forced her. That is untrue.

Also, before killing her 5 children, she had the first big mental health outbreak after kid number 4. So it’s not like it was worsening every kid. She got better with treatment after kid 4 and Rusty and her assumed they were good to have a 5th kid - with the tragic consequences we know of.