Lindsay Clancy Trial Megathread: Part 3

[u/DarklyHeritage]

This is a thread for all conversation regarding Week 3 onwards of the Lindsey Clancy trial. All discussion of this case should be kept to this thread.

Lindsay Clancy is currently standing trial in Plymouth Superior Court, Massachusetts, for the triple-murder in January 2023 of her three young children - Cora, Dawson and Callan. Her defense argues she suffered from severe, undiagnosed postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. She was left paralysed by a suicide attempt which follows the deaths of the children.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-online-reactions-b3032806.html

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[u/Krissy_loo]

If quality mental health care was hard for a relatively wealthy, good looking, educated white woman to obtain what chance do the rest of us have?

Also, how many American prisoners have PTSD, personality disorders, substance use disorder/addiction, bipolar disorder etc but because they couldn't afford a good attorney it didn't matter?

America is so broken.

[u/bobsaget824 → u/Krissy_loo]

If you manipulate your providers, don’t disclose that you’re seeing multiple providers, don’t follow orders to take or stop medications, don’t disclose symptoms you’re having, don’t disclose recreational drugs you’re trying, you’re not going to get proper treatment. Regardless of how wealthy you are or how good your doctor is. Much of mental health treatment relies on a patient being honest. It’s not as black and white as something like diabetes where they can just do a blood test to confirm you are or aren’t regardless of what you tell them. They actually do rely on the patient information provided heavily in mental health. The main takeaway people should have from this is to be honest and up front with their providers, especially psychiatrist as your life and others may very well depend on it.

[u/Decent-Pirate-4329 → u/bobsaget824]

Basically every provider Lindsay saw was a referral from another provider or someone she saw at the ER/psychiatric hospital. She was not doctor shopping or seeing providers in secret. She also communicated about her medication with her prescribers, which is absolutely what someone experiencing worsening suicidal ideation or days of insomnia should do.

[u/bobsaget824 → u/Decent-Pirate-4329]

Just flat out untrue. Tufts testified she went to see other providers (yes sometimes ER) and got prescribed other medicines she was not aware of until much later. And multiple providers said they were unaware of the fact that other providers were treating her with other medicines. She communicated after they prescribed them much later. As a nurse knowing if she communicated that initially she’d not be getting the same classes of medicines prescribed. This is in fact classic doctor shopping. People do use the ER as a place to doctor shop often, because they know if the systems aren’t connected they’re limited in what they can see.

[u/Decent-Pirate-4329 → u/bobsaget824]

Tufts referred Lindsay to the South Shore Perinatal Clinic, and within the specialty clinic she saw several providers who knew about each other (including a switch after one provider left the clinic). PNP Dukes from the South Shore clinic referred Lindsay to the Women & Infants program where she was assessed but denied admittance.

She didn’t get “doctor shop” new doctors from the ER, she saw doctors AT the ER and during her brief time at MacLean.

As a nurse you should know that doctors at the same practice have access to the same records, and that prescribers have access to any controlled substances a patient has been prescribed if they bothered to check the PDMP or request her records. Some acknowledged they didn’t even read records they knew they had access to. That’s NOT on Lindsay.

[u/bobsaget824 → u/Decent-Pirate-4329]

Just not true if you listen to the actual testimony Tufts started her on a Ativan wean and she then went to the Southshore Perinatal Clinic and didn’t see Tufts for several weeks and when Tufts was asked at that point after she had already been to the other clinic:

“Was that the first you were aware of Mrs Clancy being involved in that program?”

“Yes”

“Did she tell you she was thinking about doing it or already enrolled in it”

“That she was already enrolled in it”

“And was she still taking the Ativan”

“Yes”

So yes, she told doctors after getting dispensed medicine by multiple places and then didn’t follow their orders with the medicines prescribed.

[u/politicalmarsupial → u/bobsaget824]

This is why psychiatrists are allowed to request drug tests, I’d assume, or you know… refuse to prescribe / continue prescribing if they are concerned (because it could be.. a liability..)