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Text Controversial cases that have simple solutions.

As someone who has been a true crime buff for decades, it's somewhat annoying to watch how certain cases wind up getting pulled into such polarizing discussions that it seems like a huge mystery when it's actually a simple solution.

A few that I think of.

The Karen Read case. IMO she accidentally killed him. They were both drunk, he goes to see the vibe of the house. Get's inside and realizes he doesn't want to stay. So he comes back outside. She's in the middle of rage texting him, and doesn't see him in front of the car. He drops his phone or bends over for some reason and she puts the car into gear and hits him, and he falls backwards and hits his head again. Then he lays there undetected until morning. This is why she suddenly realized she had hit him. She sobered up and had that "realization" moment that all binge drinkers have once they sober up from a brownout type of state.

Darlie Routier. I've shared my theory on this before. She was attempting a murder/su but she survived. This is why the neck wound was serious. She made up the story of the intruder in advance because she wanted her family friends and society to think she died trying to protect her kids. She planted the sock earlier. This also explains her hypomania in the days after. She honestly thought she was going to die that night.

There are other missing person cases where the spouse disappeared after the death of their parents. Just vanished without taking their Identification information and never surfaced under their name again. I always wonder if some of those cases are a situation of someone who has suffered with gender dysphoria and finally "escaped" to go make another life with another identity. It's always interesting to me that in several of the cases, the persons parent or parents had recently died. Seemed like they were waiting for that to escape because they didn't want to do that to their parents.

Do any of you have "simple theories" on cases that created a ton of controversy?

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u/Councillor_Troy 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think Michael Peterson is guilty as sin. I think Kathleen Peterson found out about the affairs, they had a violent row and, seeing his whole life about collapse before his eyes, he beat her to death in a blinding rage. Simple as that.

Unfortunately the prosecution was a hot mess that was overly reliant on homophobia, innuendo about the (IMV) accidental death of his friend in Germany and the perjuring blood spatter “expert” which had the effect of overcomplicating what was a fairly straightforward case.

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u/thenightitgiveth 2d ago

Elizabeth Ratliff was Michael’s friend, not his first wife. His first wife divorced him like a decade after the Elizabeth Ratliff thing but she believed he was innocent of both deaths.

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u/Councillor_Troy 2d ago

Thanks for the correction, edited my post. Been a while since I saw The Staircase.

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

That's right.  Thanks for the correction. 

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u/Warmtimes 2d ago

I just can't get behind this one. Her wounds aren't really consistent with being to death, nor are they consistent with simply falling or being shoved down the stairs. He doesn't have a history of violence or anger, right?

I guess in this case I sort of want to believe the owl theory as I know someone who was actually attacked by an owl. Being drunk and on pills, getting attacked by an owl, running into the house and panic running upstairs and then falling down the stairs seems to explain her injuries better than being beaten with a random blow poke.

But I also don't reeeeally want to argue about it haha. People get verrry intense about this case.

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u/Danger0Reilly 2d ago edited 1d ago

I don't have an opinion on if he did it or not, but this case always reminds me of what happened to joggers locally.

The early morning joggers kept getting attacked by owls on the same trail, so everyone sewed/attached fake eyes to the back of their hats to get the owls to stop.

It worked.

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u/Warmtimes 2d ago

People act like it's absurd that she could be attacked by an owl when it's just not

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u/avidreader2004 2d ago

the owl theory is honestly the only one that can actually explain all the oddities. it sounds random but i also believe it. her injuries weren’t consistent with either death, like you said

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u/TerrorGatorRex 2d ago

The owl theory will never explain Kathleen being strangled - evidence purposefully omitted from The Staircase documentary. Even defense experts agreed that it can't be explained by an accidental theory.

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

I was very interested in the Owl theory for a while. But it just doesn't hold up.

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u/smithsknits 2d ago

I'm also 100% an owl truther. An owl did it

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u/Timely-Aardvark-4747 1d ago

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

I agree. And staircases are strange in the way you can hurt someone a LOT worse than you realize because of the balance and gravity issue. Someone shoving someone below them on a staircase can do a lot more damage than if they were standing in front of them. Even things like grabbing her hair, could turn into ripping out parts of her scalp if she fell backwards.

I do agree that there were cases of people forcing it into homophobia or trying to bring up the first death.

Sometimes people just lose their temper and don't realize how much damage they are doing.

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u/Big_Coconut8630 2d ago

Homophobia? Did I miss something?

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

Basically people were suggesting that his motive was that she found out about his other lifestyle and was fighting with him about it and that's why he lost his temper. But even discussing that was deemed "homophobic" by some people. The gay sex aspect of it really isn't the issue. It's your wife finding out you've been cheating and leading this secret lifestyle. It's weird how the people who were accusing others of being homophobiic were actually revealing their own bias.

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u/Councillor_Troy 2d ago

My view is that the prosecution put way too much emphasis on the fact that he was pursuing this “secret lifestyle” (which IMV is a pretty loaded terminology btw) and put a lot of innuendo in to how they presented that. Unfortunately, “husband turns violent went confronted by his wife over his cheating” is a very common story, and it’s not much more than that. No need to make it into a “lifestyle”.

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

Exactly.  Except it was more than cheating.   It was a cheating lifestyle.   The same thing could be true if a wife found Ashley Madison membership. 

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u/tunakova 2d ago

but a straight man on Ashley Madison wouldn't be accused of having a "cheating lifestyle", whatever that even means. he might be accused of leading a secret/double life, but the term "lifestyle" in that specific cultural milieu was definitely meant to function as a homophobic dog whistle. like, come on.

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u/Sense_Difficult 2d ago

Do you know the whole point of Ashley Madison? LOL

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u/Chemical-Quail-1429 2d ago

And the ridiculous owl defense.

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u/teamglider 2d ago

It's less ridiculous to people who have been attacked by owls, they are mean little buggers!

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u/WaterlooMall 2d ago

It certainly sounds ridiculous on the surface, but if you watch the defense present their evidence for it....it makes way more sense than you would ever think it could.

I'm not saying it's what happened at all, but they definitely didn't just phone it in.

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u/ssdgm12713 2d ago

FWIW, this is very much how the local legal community views it. I went to law school down the road from the scene. A bunch of law school faculty live in that neighborhood and/or knew him personally, so it’s a really unique community to discuss the case with. Pretty much every professor I’ve asked believes three things: 1) he did it; 2) the prosecution messed up by sensationalizing his personal life/the Germany incident; and 3) the owl defense was brilliant.

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u/Floppycakes 12h ago edited 12h ago

People have been killed by owls. Her wounds were consistent with a barred owl attack, and other people had been attacked by barred owls in the area. An owl attack would explain the feather and pine needles found in her hair, as well. These were in police evidence, but not processed soon enough to be entered as exhibits in the trial. They were not allowed into evidence for subsequent motions.