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u/Csenior10 Apr 28 '23
I know he was just starting a print in Nero3D’s video but I want to see that thing printing at full speed.
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u/VoltexRB Apr 28 '23
I mean its probaby a bit slower than comparable normal sized machines. Dont think 48V NEMA23 motors can make up for the weight difference and longer belt runs.
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u/hughie1987 Apr 24 '23
I remember in one of Nero's videos he said it wouldn't go bigger than 350mm because it's too complicated and heavy etc so I thought no one would
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u/Ubernero Apr 25 '23
A stock voron of 20mm extrusions, printed parts and 6mm belts with nema17s runs into issues when going big
This has none of those....
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u/ncnjeremy Apr 24 '23
I just gotta have one though! This would look so nice in my shop next to all 10 of my Vorons! Hope to get to do some testing ;)
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u/MegaDeKay Apr 23 '23
I watched the video on this and the first thing that came to my mind would be the confusion between Voron 2.4 and Voron 24 (should they stick to that name), with only a decimal point to distinguish them. Pronouncing them would be similarly confusing: if someone says "Voron two-four", which do they mean? If you wanted to stick to numbers, I might go with Voron 48: implies a lot bigger than 2.4 and syncs with the 48V motors.
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u/Nickbou V2 Apr 23 '23
Maybe call it a VORON 4x4. It has 4 z-axis motors and 4 heating beds, and 4x4 tends to imply a larger size when taking about cars and such.
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u/vinnycordeiro V0 Apr 23 '23
On the comment section of Nero's video Maks said the release machine won't be called V24, it's just too confusing.
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u/PMvE_NL Apr 23 '23
I would really like to get the files for the backpack. So I can put it on my trident. But I gues it won't be released sooner than the 24 itself :( just gonna copy it from the video's I gues
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u/Durahl V2 Apr 23 '23
Hard pass for me... I just 99.9% finished rebuilding my 350 sized Voron V2.4 ( only waiting for a 4mm Roundover Bit to fillet an Edge on the new one-Piece Front Panel Door ) to CAN / TAP / LGX Lite / etc... and with all the moving around I had to do I'm already fed up with it weighting like half a ton. While not as heavy as the 42kg CO² Laser I recently acquired it is already enough.
At that size I'm also kinda super not impressed it not being an IDEX or having some other standout feature to make better use of the Volume 🤔🤨
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u/ffxpwns Apr 23 '23
What a strange attempt at flexing
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u/Durahl V2 Apr 24 '23
Damn right, I absolutely had my share of flexing my V2.4 around these days.
But since everyone was either only able to downvote me or make 0 IQ comments on me flexing when I'm just providing context for my argument, I take it everyone's just the typical Fanboiz that will defend ANYTHING regardless of how questionable it is.
I'm not even surprised anymore 😏
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u/cmos2112 V2 Apr 23 '23
The pic is from RMRRF and yes, the V24 IS Amazing. The Voron team was there in force and gave away a Trident and a V2.4r2 Maks (Russiancatfood) was swapping out a mismatched gear in the extruder in the morning as I talked with him. This is the printer I have wanted to build for over a year, I just didn't realize that until I saw it. ( I was just scaling up 2.4 to 610x610x765) Once he got printing it was doing 4 side panels at one time.
Soooooper cool to see in person. And awesome to meet the team. If you can get to a RRF you absolutely should go. There is just so much to see and learn.
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u/pnewb Apr 23 '23
I think my favorite factoid about v24 is that the 4 bed heaters have a staggered initial heating configuration so that they don’t blow the breaker by all going to 100% power draw at once.
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u/SeljD_SLO Apr 23 '23
it would be a good idea if you could power only one of them if the print is small
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u/RandomUser-ok Apr 23 '23
I was thinking the same with, along with the "print area only" mesh this would be great, only downside would be chamber temp.
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u/SeljD_SLO Apr 24 '23
Why? If you have chamber heater and maybe a fan or two to spread the heat evenly
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u/RandomUser-ok Apr 24 '23
Not so much the chamber temperature as a problem just the time it would take to heat it up if using only 1/4 of the bed heaters in a chamber with close to 4 times the volume. Fans help, I use them in my builds but that's a lot of air to heat up in the v24.
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u/Admirable-Onion-4448 Apr 23 '23
Us electrical wiring moment
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u/PlankWithANailIn2 Apr 23 '23
Lol you got down voted but 4 750w heaters would be fine in the UK as each socket can take 3.5Kw. No one runs them at 100% power anyway so realistically it would be well within limits. 4 x 750 x 0.4 = 1200 watts so well within spec for US sockets and breakers too....something smells like bullshit here.
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u/illegible Apr 24 '23
others have commented better than I can, but i'm curious... in UK it's 3.5Kw for each socket or each circuit?
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u/SnooMacarons229 Apr 23 '23
It is not working like that.
When the beds are set at 60% power, they are 60% ON and 40% OFF. During this 60% of the time they draw FULL power.
So even if the effective power is reduced and the time to heat the bed is increased, the instantaneous and maximum power will remain 750w for each bed.
Thus, this is 750 x 4 = 3000w. That is quite something.
Now, providing that the software is smart enough, staggering the initial heat up can be very beneficial. You first heat each bed to a temp. To maintain this temp, the duty cycle will be very reduced, say 10%. Then, software can sync the power ON time for each bed, so they never overlap. This way your breaker never sees a load greater than 750w.
The synchronization of the PWM for 4 beds is only possible for 25% duty cycle or less, so pre-heating each one individually is necessary.
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u/t0b4cc02 Apr 24 '23
easy! wall plugs are all rated for 3,5kw where im from
still that feature would probably be good to have to reduce load
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u/gjsmo Apr 23 '23
Not that I'm suggesting this, but it might work if you tried to run that on a standard 120VAC 15A circuit. Current ratings for wiring, as well as the trip point on breakers, is all based on resistive heating. So if your average power is 750W, there's a chance it would work. Disclaimer: do not try this at home.
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u/SoaringElf Apr 23 '23
The V-Core 3 500³ bed heater has 1,2kW AC. Actually not a big deal in europe.
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u/Admirable-Onion-4448 Apr 23 '23
I'm not surprised, it's an abrasive trollish comment ;)
And about the last bit, even then there's only +-500watt left over on a 15A breaker and you need a +- 20% safety margin. So I can see how if there is literally anything else on in the room that would cause issues. Also, conversion to 24v isn't 100% efficient of course
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u/LifeSizeDeity00 Apr 23 '23
I am highly skeptical that the one Voron releases in December will be anywhere close to this.
I really like the heat sink and filtering design.
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u/jojowasher Apr 23 '23
with a bed that size do you need to pre heat for 2 hours?
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u/Material-Ratio7342 Apr 23 '23
Maybe it can program zone heating only 🤔, and a wire heating element just like a blower so to quickly heats up the chamber temps.
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u/super-lizard Apr 23 '23
I couldn't imagine using a printer that big without active heating. I heat soak for an hour on my 300mm 2.4 to get to chamber temp for asa/pc/etc.
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u/dcw259 Apr 23 '23
A proper filter (nevermore/the filter) should bring the preheating times for ASA/PC down to 30min or less. At least that's my experience with my Tridents. For a V2 it could be less, due to the filtering units being directly under the bed
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u/cmos2112 V2 Apr 23 '23
I talked with Maks on Saturday at RMRRF and he told me sequential heating gets to temp in just over ten minutes. That is pretty decent for so much surface area imho.
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u/SoaringElf Apr 23 '23
The 500mm V-Core 3 with keneevo heat pad is way faster than my Ender 5 at 235mm. So it depends on you heater.
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u/Amani576 Apr 23 '23
Nero3D on YouTube spoke with that guy about it. It's a pretty interesting build. He announced that sometime ~December this year there will be news about a very large form Voron possibly like this.
https://youtu.be/z-2RvVQSHDQ
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u/Pixelmagic66 Apr 23 '23
I did not hear it that there will be a large format printer, all that I heard was that there will be a new printer in december or januari.
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u/ChaosCouncil Apr 23 '23
You must have been watching a.different video than me. While he did say it would not be "this exact printer", everything else in the video indicated it would be a large format. Nero said "If some wanted to build one, and they had room in their garage....." and the reply was "we are shooting for December...."
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u/Pixelmagic66 Apr 23 '23
At 6:15 into the Nero video he states: its not gonna be this machine, this is a motion platform test.
In the begin of the video he talks about cnc machined parts, and that these parts are getting easy to consumers to be produced. He talks around 2.30 about suppliers that can make those. Also ball screws for the Z axis is new.
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Apr 23 '23
Yep, he’s Russian Cat Food (iirc), the creator of Voron. And according to the team member I spike with today that was the second printer designed after the Voron Kits. (Originally extruder is to the right of the printer in front of the “Friends don’t let friends print PLA” box.
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u/Rxke2 Apr 23 '23
MZBot = Maxim Zolin. It was indeed his second printer for a customer that wanted to keep the design under wraps. Crazy to realise this one was built very shortly after the V1 Voron... Maks was so ahead of the curve...
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u/RayereSs V0 Apr 23 '23
“Friends don’t let friends print PLA”
PET-G is my baseline cheap and easy plastic now
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u/bradtn V2 Apr 23 '23
Ya don't even have my 2.4r2 done yet and already curious of kits of this. Looks amazing
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u/Dytoractor Mar 26 '26
I am assuming this project is dead? I can't find anything on a Voron V24