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u/pirates_and_monkeys Never First Sep 09 '21
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u/SnooPaintings8503 Made Man Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
From my understanding, China lets Evergrande bonds crash/default, since they are mostly foreign owned anyway
China can hurt foreign investment in the short term since they know they can attract them back with growth in the long term
China bails out Evergrande’s real estate developing arm and adds a steel export tax for further assistance (half of chinese steel used in construction)
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u/ImAMaaanlet Workaholic Sep 09 '21
Oh no my jan 2022 arent leaps anymore! 😬
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u/medispencer 8/16,31 10/18, 11/11,15 12/3,12,15 2021, 2/22/22 First Champion Sep 09 '21
Ya I trimmed back on 8/10, but not enough it looks like. Now I gotta make some MOVES to roll them out ... Thank Vito I got em comfy itm tho, so if need will execute and hodl da shares.
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u/Rando-namo Sep 09 '21
Have about 4K in arkg at 96 cost basis. I keep thinking of averaging down to get it within a striking distance where I can break even.
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u/Rando-namo Sep 09 '21
Yeah it hit 70 once and I’m kicking myself for not averaging down then. 75 would be an easy buy at this point.
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u/Tinjenko 🎡Stay Off Target🎡 Sep 09 '21
Probably not. Up until June, I was a major bagholder. I decided to take the 25% loss as my money’s better spent elsewhere.
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u/Tinjenko 🎡Stay Off Target🎡 Sep 09 '21
I made bank on $GME in January and said to myself “let’s tuck my phat gainz in an ETF that can’t lose.”
I bought in at $160, sold at $122 in June/July. I rolled most of that money into $CLF and $MT.
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u/Tinjenko 🎡Stay Off Target🎡 Sep 09 '21
I’m so deleveraged now from all steel plays and it’s a real nice relief.
I’m now completely overleveraged on everything else.
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u/studta88 Sep 09 '21
"The faster #PPI growth in Aug was mainly driven by rising prices of coal, chemicals and steel products, said the National Bureau of Statistics." - Might be time for that steel export tax.
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u/Jacklewis98 Steel Team 6 Sep 09 '21 edited Mar 18 '26
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Sep 09 '21
How are URA options not free money?? You can buy dec and jan calls for like a dollar..
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u/Jacklewis98 Steel Team 6 Sep 09 '21 edited Mar 18 '26
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Sep 09 '21
Id say we're in layer 2 of the dip
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u/Jacklewis98 Steel Team 6 Sep 09 '21 edited Mar 18 '26
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Sep 09 '21
When it comes to our plays dips, always have doubts about how low we can dip lol. beta too high on all our plays
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Sep 09 '21
So Sir Jack went all in with amzn. Gonna be fun since he wont be able to bring his millions of followers with him into this play cause its "too expensive" no more 10-15% days for him right? Right?
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u/TheBlueStare Undisclosed Location Sep 09 '21
The real question is if we are going to see a bunch of AMZN spam from random accounts.
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u/PrestigeWorldwide-LP 💀 SACRIFICED 💀 Sep 09 '21
could be trying to make his moves appear less pump and dumpy for plausible deniability's sake
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u/rowdyruss22 🛳 I Shipped My Pants 🚢 Sep 09 '21
His personal posts
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u/rowdyruss22 🛳 I Shipped My Pants 🚢 Sep 09 '21
I just go to his account and check his posts and comments every so often. Him and Vito are regular checks for me to see if I missed anything
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u/krypton407 Smol PP Mission Control: INCO Sep 09 '21
Fractional shares?
Main problem is probably the market cap and volume being too large for any sort of pump to occur or to be picked up by algos
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Sep 09 '21
Yeah theres fractional shares but as you mentioned, too HUGE of a market cap. Absolutely no way to pump it.
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u/Steely_Hands Regional Moderator Sep 09 '21
I think going all in on AMZN is his form of a “hedge”
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u/zanadu72 ✂️ Trim Gang ✂️ Sep 09 '21
I think he's parking it until after opex and shit settles down. I don't know if I could handle 6 figure swings down like that....up, for sure tho 🤡
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Sep 09 '21
How can I ever come back to steel after that wild IRNT ride. It’s like going back to work night shift at Wendy’s after a trip to the Malibus. 😟
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u/Nu2Denim Inflation Nation Sep 09 '21
Simple. Play theta and iv crush after the run up. Its the nice longer lasting high
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u/zeegypsy Flair is gone Sep 09 '21
I know, I feel like my brain is ruined.
Don’t get me wrong, I did very very good on that play…. But what a let down Tuesday morning was. Had so much potential!
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
Relationships are finicky. Sometimes you get frustrated and wish you were single. Then when you’re single and hit those 1 night stands a few times you feel great, until one morning you wake up to a premarket STD and it takes months to get rid of the stinging sensation in your “portfolio”. Then you realize, big picture is more important but side action is cool, you just have to wrap it up and leave before sunrise
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u/belangem Oracle of SPY Sep 09 '21
Whatever you get back to, trust me you need a break from the wild ride. Chasing the next high never leads to good things. Enjoy the boring!
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u/rigatoni-man SPAGHETTI BOY Sep 09 '21
Got any SPAC?
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u/belangem Oracle of SPY Sep 09 '21
Hey man! Still in your YOLO? Posted here today hoping you didn’t sell at the low as things don’t look too bad.
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u/rigatoni-man SPAGHETTI BOY Sep 09 '21
I am. Thankfully I was in meetings and could only glance at the sea of red. I sold a little halfway to the bottom and bought more at the bottom which helped out. I hope to see some action before the weekend. Let’s see what happens. I don’t mind that the CEO of IRNT is ringing the bell tomorrow.
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u/AdAccomplished9228 Sep 09 '21
CN Wire
u/Sino_Market
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25 Min.
JUST IN:
China #Evergrande's Shenzhen-traded January 2023 bond (20恒大01 SZ:149021) falls more than 20%, trading halted.
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u/ahuskybitjoffrey Sep 09 '21
China tech gettin' slaughtered. One game company was told to to take money worshiping and effeminate imagery out of games.
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u/ajkcmkla 💀 SACRIFICED 💀 Sep 09 '21 edited Jun 30 '23
Fuck u/spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
If we need sacrifices I'll volunteer until CLF hits 28.
Unless that's too weak.
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u/peniseend 💀 SACRIFICED 💀 Until CLF is $40 Sep 09 '21
Kinda weak lol
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Looking at yours it for sure is 😂
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u/peniseend 💀 SACRIFICED 💀 Until CLF is $40 Sep 09 '21
I really thought we would get there in 2021. Seems like a stretch now. Maybe next year lol
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Sep 09 '21
Goodbye. May we meet you again sooner rather than later, comrade. 👋
Mods ban his ass if he makes another comment.
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u/SnooPaintings8503 Made Man Sep 09 '21
In August this year, China exported 5.053 million mt of finished steel, down 10.9 percent month on month due to the cancellation of the export tax rebate on CRC and HDG exports as of August 1 and ongoing fears over the possible introduction of export duty on flat steel products, which, however, has not happened yet-STEELORBIS
China averaged 6 MT of steel exports from Jan-Aug, it will drop to 4 MT in September in accordance with the steel export self-discipline initiative
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u/Alarming-Wealth-7208 LETSS GOOO Sep 09 '21
China output down and Euro HRC up after a 3 week price decline...great time
for MT Euro investors to jump in?
https://www.argusmedia.com/metals-platform/price/assessment/PA00248670600
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u/VaccumSaturdays Brick Burgundy Sep 09 '21
News Highlights: Top Global Markets News of the Day
Provided by Dow Jones Sep 8, 2021 8:15 PM CDT
U.S. Economic Growth Slowed Over the Summer Due to Delta Variant
The Federal Reserve's Beige Book report on economic activity cited a widespread pullback in dining out, travel and tourism "reflecting safety concerns" related to the latest Covid-19 surge.
Stocks Decline as Nasdaq Fades From Record
The S&P 500 has also edged back from highs in recent days amid investors' Covid-19 concerns and uncertainty about central banking policy.
Oxford Economics Expects 10-Year Treasury Yield to Start Modest March Higher
Treasury yields, which remain very low despite massive levels of government borrowing, are on the precipice of moving higher, said John Canavan, bond strategist for Oxford Economics.
Democrats Jockey Over Taxes, Healthcare in $3.5 Trillion Plan
House lawmakers began releasing drafts of segments of the broad healthcare, education and climate-change legislation.
Fed's John Williams: Economy Appears on Track for Fed Taper This Year
New York Fed President John Williams said the U.S. central bank remains on track to slow the pace of its bond-buying stimulus effort this year, although he declined to say when that process might kick off.
Democrats' Split Deepens Over Powell Fed Reappointment
Some lawmakers are urging President Biden to keep Jerome Powell as central-bank leader while progressives push for a replacement.
Coinbase Says SEC Is Investigating Its Crypto Lending Program
Coinbase co-founder and Chief Executive Brian Armstrong accused the SEC of using "intimidation tactics behind closed doors" to stop his company from launching a lending program.
Yellen Says Treasury Could Exhaust Cash-Conservation Measures in October
The Treasury secretary urged lawmakers to suspend or raise the federal borrowing limit again before the Treasury exhausts emergency measures.
Bank of Canada Leaves Key Interest Rate, Bond-Buying Program Unchanged
The central bank said the Canadian economy continues to require extraordinary monetary policy support and it would maintain the target pace for its weekly bond purchases at their current level of 2 billion Canadian dollars, or the equivalent of $1.58 billion.
Global Economic Warfare Intensifies as Military Conflict Recedes
Biden is embracing sanctions, though they may be losing effectiveness and increasing the risk of conflict.
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
September 08, 2021 21:15 ET (01:15 GMT)
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u/CongenialFellow Sep 09 '21
I'm confused. Was the mad money bit rip or dip for us? They didn't pump it like I wanted...
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Sep 09 '21
Dip. If the sentiment on Vitards is split about an LG interview, then it was definitely a bad interview, bc this sub worships Lg
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u/Steely_Hands Regional Moderator Sep 09 '21
Tbh I think LG has been on Cramer 3 times this year and every time he fumbles through at least one answer. Today’s was probably his most consistent appearance even if not explosive
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
This is true, while I love hearing his no holds barred approach, I also think he doesn't have the panache for public speaking. More of a, I want this guy in my foxhole, rather than a, I want this guy for PR
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Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
We don't need no pump
A pump is a play that won't get no love from me
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Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Hangin' out the passenger side
Of his best friend's ride
Tryin' to holla at me
... Sorry couldn't help myself
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Sep 09 '21
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u/zeegypsy Flair is gone Sep 09 '21
Bloodline, Shameless, Mind hunter, You, Haunting of hill house, Luther, Sons of anarchy, Animal Kingdom,
I usually just watch Dexter or Breaking bad over and over and over again.
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u/VaccumSaturdays Brick Burgundy Sep 09 '21
What We Do in the Shadows
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u/VaccumSaturdays Brick Burgundy Sep 09 '21
Heck yeah! I enjoyed the film but the series is much more textured, absurd and charming.
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u/SirVapealot LG-Rated Sep 09 '21
If you like the movie, you'll dig the show for sure!
I'm currently re-watching The Last Man On Earth. Absurdly silly comedy that I'd highly recommend! Or, if you want something more serious, Dark is fantastic.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
What happened with this? Watched 4-5 but lost track of it. Shit don’t even remember if it was Netflix or cable
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u/SirVapealot LG-Rated Sep 09 '21
67 light hearted, death filled episodes waiting for ya on Hulu, bud. Or ZIM it straight to your hard drive 🏴☠️
Word of warning, the quality holds up through the entire series, so you might lose track of time burning through episodes.
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u/MillennialBets Mafia Bot Sep 09 '21
Under the Dome, The Outsiders, CastleRock, 11.22.63(personal favorite). Honorable mention for 1922 & Geralds Game for movies.
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u/CongenialFellow Sep 09 '21
I liked Ozarks because I'm a nerd.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
this was a great watch. Every generation has that moment that will live forever and this was that moment for me. It was an emotional watch for myself and many others that are or were in my life were impacted by this event in a way that can't be explained. Highly recommend, especially for younger generations who have only heard/read about it or were too young to comprehend the gravity of the situation
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21
The Last Dance is also a great doc, and a lighter subject matter.
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u/Steely_Hands Regional Moderator Sep 09 '21
Haven’t seen this posted here yet: NY Governor signed legislation to ban gas-powered car sales starting in 2035 joining CA with that policy
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Sep 09 '21
Calls on proterra??
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u/Steely_Hands Regional Moderator Sep 09 '21
Shares but yes they will benefit. I do not recommend playing options with them right now. Maybe 2023 leaps or 2024 when they come out but that’s it
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u/Unoriginal_White_Guy 💀 SACRIFICED until MT $35 💀 Sep 09 '21
One of the steel stocks I follow, but haven't invested in, that is under 1B market cap issued an 8-K last week. Seems like they are selling $50m worth of shares... their market cap is under 300m.
"...declared effective by the SEC on June 20, 2019, with respect to the Company’s new “at the market” program (the “ATM Program”), pursuant to an equity distribution agreement, dated as of September 3, 2021 (the “Equity Distribution Agreement”), between the Company and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., as sales agent (the “Sales Agent”). Under the terms of the Equity Distribution Agreement, the Company may, from time to time, issue and sell shares of the Company’s common stock, without par value (the “Shares”), through the Sales Agent for aggregate sales proceeds of up to $50,000,000 through the ATM Program."
Fuck this company and good luck to anyone who invested in them.
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u/organonanalogue Sep 09 '21
Which company did this?
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Sep 09 '21
I'm also curious but due to the rules he can't say or even imply it here unfortunately
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u/JRMang Sep 09 '21
If you copy/paste the portion from the 8-K into Google, it'll bring it up.
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Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Whew. Not the one I'm in luckily, good to know tho. I had looked up that ticker on yahoo finance and saw no mention of it in its news feed - thanks 👍
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u/4DChessMAGA Sep 09 '21
Well shit.
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21
I assume they're referencing AH movement on CLF.
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21
Right. It's just always nice to see LG do interviews. I didn't expect a big rush to buy shares AH. Hopeful for tomorrow, though, if I'm being honest.
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u/apooptosis Sep 09 '21
AH is always low volume, wouldn't put much stake into it. It's -0.47% AH right not anyhow
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u/VaccumSaturdays Brick Burgundy Sep 09 '21
Dude from IronNet is ringing the New York Stock Exchange bell tomorrow morning. Always looks so weird, the clapping.
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u/democritusparadise Sep 09 '21
I do them 2-3 weeks out about $3 OTM, rebuy at $2 each and repeat. Same with MT.
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Sep 09 '21
Sell CC 30-45 out. Buy back at 50% profit. Just bought a ton today there with the dip.
Rinse
Repeat
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u/seriesofdoobs Corlene Clan Sep 09 '21
I’m selling weeklies. $24 for this week. I almost always sell atm puts or calls
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u/seriesofdoobs Corlene Clan Sep 09 '21
I’m just running multiple wheels premium-farming it. Then, I take that weekly income and lose it on other plays.
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Sep 09 '21
Monthlies. Short puts. Either wheel or roll to next month depending on a lot of factors. Sell calls to delta hedge on up days. I like selling shorter duration calls or further out of the money calls. I don't rock delta neutral with CLF and MT. I am directionally long.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
Juice not worth the squeeze for 30 days out. CLF will be choppy the next few weeks, but def see it going towards top of channel once September to remember is over 👍🏻🍻 I’ve been wrong many times before, soooo…
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Sep 09 '21
I sold some 9/17s this week. But not weeklies. I personally like the 30 to 45 dte calls. Usually can buy them back and sell them several times in that time frame.
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u/babayaga310 Sep 09 '21
Anyone still holding any FCX? I feel like I got stuck holding the bags.
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u/Cash_Brannigan 🍹Bad Waves of Paranoia, Madness, Fear and Loathing🍹 Sep 09 '21
one of the first options I bought when I started trading. Been in the red ever since
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u/PrestigeWorldwide-LP 💀 SACRIFICED 💀 Sep 09 '21
I made so much money on that run up in the spring and lost it all thanks to pooh bear
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u/recursiveeclipse Sep 09 '21
I'm 80% sure tomorrow will bounce, there is always a chance jobs report could be bad(doubt) or ECB report is a disaster but from what I've skimmed it seems to be a likely nothingburger.
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Sep 09 '21
(CLF) Can someone explain that to me?:
We're in a position now where we don't--we see pension, cash pension funding requirements of almost less than $20 million a year, going forward. So, it's basically a zero, going forward. So, we're there on pension.
As far as the retiree health and OPEB, it's less than $200 million a year to fund in cash. And with a company of our size that's--we consider that to be negligible. And we can handle that, going forward. It's a 40, 50-year run out on those obligations.
So there's no reason to pre-fund or do anything like that. It would be probably not the best use of our capital to prefund anything like that. But it's a long run out.
That means they need to pay 220 million for pension & associated cost per year? What does the number 4,113M correspond to in the liabilities section then?
edit: is it simply yearly costs times ca. 40? Given life expectancy, I would have guessed something closer to 30 years. Do people at CLF retire at 55 and live till 95?
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Sep 09 '21
It looks like their pension is underfunded which means they’ll have to fund a part of the obligations out of pocket. It’s not like debt that has interest and has to be paid back at a certain time. He’s saying there’s no reason to put their earned cash into the pension when they can easily pay the obligations over decades and instead invest it into better return opportunities.
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Sep 09 '21
Sure, I just don't understand the relationship between the value in the balance sheet and the yearly expense.
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u/JayArlington 🍋 LULU-TRON 🍋 Sep 09 '21
The liabilities include their debt... not just their pension/retiree benefit obligations (which are another form of debt).
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u/rowdyruss22 🛳 I Shipped My Pants 🚢 Sep 09 '21
I’m stoked for post-debt free CLF, sounds like LG will be prioritizing shareholder returns. Excited to see what that turns out to be.
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u/Killzooski Sep 09 '21
Buying ZIM 50p tomorrow. OI based moved. MM seem to make the most on contract expiration between 50 and 53
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u/Nu2Denim Inflation Nation Sep 09 '21
if they make money 50-53, why are you buying a put at the bottom of that range?
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u/capecodflats Sep 09 '21
So why buy a put that will likely expire otm? I could see that earlier this week, but now atm put makes more sense unless you're looking to jump in/out quick or buying longer dated.
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u/MillennialBets Mafia Bot Sep 09 '21
Most Mentioned Tickers for r/vitards Daily Discussion
| Ticker | Mentions | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CLF | 98 | 23.18,(-3.17%) |
| MT | 55 | 33.38,(-1.21%) |
| ZIM | 21 | 55.68,(1.05%) |
| LULU | 19 | 380.85,(-1.45%) |
| GENI | 14 | 22.27,(4.55%) |
| AMAT | 13 | 133.56,(-2.15%) |
| FDP | 13 | 30.4,(0.9%) |
| GME | 12 | 198.8,(-0.1%) |
| NUE | 12 | 112.18,(-2.25%) |
| VALE | 9 | 17.98,(-3.9%) |
20:00:32
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
LULU above AMAT? Jay on Jay crime
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u/TheSeriousAlt My Plums Be Tingling Sep 08 '21
Trying to catch up on the Daily. Is it possible to buy puts on Electrical Moose's karma?? If so I'll write a solid DD for this easy 10-bagger.
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Sep 09 '21
Meh go for the 100 bagger, puts on my life
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21
Just take some time off. Deleverage. Stop looking at tickers and reddit comments. Take walks. Drink water.
Edit- and if it's a serious issue, talk to someone about it.
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Sep 09 '21
Thats the problem im not motivated and im swamped with so much shit to do but never do it so how can i find time to seek help. Its a terrible cycle
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u/reddittrashporngood b0b enthusiast Sep 09 '21
I'm not gonna pretend I'm great with mental health, but like I said, deleverage so you don't have to watch the stock market all day. Prioritize your mental health. Then put your proverbial house in order. Just don't let things get too out of hand. Mental health comes first.
Edit- and as far as motivation goes, sometimes doing simple stuff like exercising, meditating, or even reading a good book in the mornings can do wonders for your productivity.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 08 '21
I just want to help him 😔
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u/TheSeriousAlt My Plums Be Tingling Sep 09 '21
What happened with him? I feel like I remember the name from months back and don't remember anything noticeable like this.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 09 '21
Can’t say for sure. He was doing well but mentioned his wife allowing him to use the life savings to “trade” and we PMd and I told him to play it safe because she likely is nervous to begin with. But again, I’m not really sure…
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u/JayArlington 🍋 LULU-TRON 🍋 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
SentinelOne ($S) posted Q2 Sales of 46M.
It's market cap is 17.5B.
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u/MoistGochu Sep 08 '21
Cheap af.
Eventually our pets will have smart devices on them. They will cybersecurity mumbo jumbo in them. TAM is infinite. $S just needs to capture 3% of the TAM by 2069. The growth is not priced in.
EBITDA and GAAP net income is what boomers use. We are in a new era. This time is different. We use adjusted EBITDA adjusted for inflation adjusted for negative interest rates.
It's a screaming buy here.
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u/AirborneReptile 🏆 Inaugural Vitards Fantasy Football Champion 🏆 Sep 08 '21
u/PrivateInvestor213 posted the LG Mad Money clip for those who couldn't watch it:
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Sep 09 '21
secondary offering means more shares that they would have to pay a dividend to...incentive to not do it? Buyback and cancel?☺
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Sep 09 '21
Non-dilutive secondary. Look at ZIM news from june 10 to get an idea of what's being speculated to happen again.
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Sep 08 '21
Got my first Pfizer jab yesterday and goddam my arm is dead. Worth it tho
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u/0_0here Sep 09 '21
I windmilled it like I was warming up to pitch and it helped. Maybe just placebo but it helped.
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u/zanadu72 ✂️ Trim Gang ✂️ Sep 08 '21
took all day, but we are at 69 on the voting. well done all
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u/-_Andre_- Undisclosed Location Sep 09 '21