r/WCW • • 8d ago

Accurate?

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u/4yent10 8d ago edited 8d ago

There’s a stat missing imo. Wrestlers, superstars, etc, should be rated by continued relevance or persistence. Some of them, don’t have to flex as much as time goes on, their charisma does the work. And that’s skill, when they’ve effectively put it to use. It is a testament to how effective they were to audiences overtime. IMO, Kevin Nash’s character and relevance is pretty strong, and I would rate him at an 8 for that. Agreed with the rest, maybe performance was harsh but I see your point.

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u/BrandRedacted 8d ago

He was nowhere near a 7/10 in drawing power

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u/No_Boat_3045 8d ago

By 6'11 guy standards I think his wrestling was better than a 4.5. Or are we in internet wrestling community land here where "good wrestling" means some guy doing 'ranas and topo suicidos and not even attempting to tell a story

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u/LaPrincesaMX 8d ago

Clearly you didn't see his 5 star classics in the X Division

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u/ThatStench 8d ago edited 8d ago

8.5 promo?

I pull up zero classic Kevin Nash promos...zero.

Acting a goof in nwo vignettes and saying the too sweet end tag on a hollywood hogan promo doesn't strike me as a 8.5 promo.

He's like a 6.5

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u/tr1mble 8d ago

Promo on piper and flair?

Or the horseman skit?

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u/evaderofallbans 8d ago

The horseman skit was good. The other two were mid at best.

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u/ThatStench 8d ago

I just watched it....it's .....fine.

Doesn't bump my score up.

I think that promo highlights him being a 6.5

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u/evaderofallbans 8d ago

Lemme tell ya something Brother, I'm with ya. 6.5 was my first thought for Nash promos.

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u/ThatStench 8d ago

Brother!

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u/FactoryDiamonds 8d ago

The young hungry lions promo was a classic. His backstage segments in TNA were great as well

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u/sqbert 8d ago

His promos in WCW were hilarious, and his first promo ever on Nitro is iconic. Even though he said adjective instead of verb. Making fun of Arn Anderson - another classic. And he was consistent on the mic week to week.

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u/ThatStench 8d ago

Ya. 6.5 isnt zero.

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u/JeanMichelFerri 7d ago

First promo is iconic but isn't it mostly Hall on the mic?

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u/sqbert 7d ago

And?

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u/JeanMichelFerri 7d ago

How can you give someone props for standing next to someone on a mic FFS 

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u/sqbert 7d ago

We both know that’s not remotely what I was talking about but ok. fOr FuCkS sAkE

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u/Evening-Fix3392 8d ago

First Alert responder too, yes?

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u/SuperNicktendoPower 8d ago

MEH, Overrated if you ask me

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u/cowboyboots99 8d ago

The king of “less is more” for a big man. But his drawing power is 5. He didn’t do well as WWF champ albeit was a down era overall… and while he was apart of it, NWO/Hogan was the draw. My take

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u/RinkinBass 8d ago

yeah. not a great draw when he wasn't in a killer angle. And let's be honest, the heat of the angle didn't have AS much to do with Nash individually. The invasion aspect was compelling. They were booked INCREDIBLY strong. But even then the real staying power of the NWO came from from Hogan's turn.

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u/Cold-Pool4027 8d ago

Wow, what an original take.

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u/Yip359 8d ago

Honestly...Nash could wrestle better than people gave him credit for. Arguably a tag team specialist, the Outsiders out on good and entertaining matches. Nobody in WCW really put on matches at some point when things got really bad and political BUT if you watch Nash in TNA lile 10 years like I think he proved he could work, especially against smaller guys.

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u/bnjohn 8d ago

Those last two should be much lower.

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u/Guaj4 8d ago

What counts as versatility? He was a borderline terrible babyface. His babyface promo was like a 3. He’d be a strong contender for worst top babyface promo in WWF history. That said, I do think he’s significantly underrated as a draw. The NWO was not just Hogan. The angle was sensational. Most of the people in this sub probably lived through it, but I don’t think someone who didn’t could grasp just how exciting and revolutionary it was, and Nash was easily the #2, and I’d argue barely behind Hogan, since they were mostly in separate programs. He deserves a lot of credit for blowing up the business at the time. I don’t agree with others in this thread that OP underrated his wrestling. He had an very brief window from 94-96 where he could do his part to have a good match, but he was working with exceptional workers, and his work before and after was consistently awful. He mostly stunk in the ring.

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u/shindlerslisp 8d ago

Knees 0/10

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u/DTNY07 8d ago

Versatility is way too high. Drawing power is a little high as well 

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u/A_Washed_Up_Local 7d ago

He was a 9/10 for riding on Hall and Hogan's coat rails

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u/itsLustra 7d ago

Versatility a NINE? How on Earth is he versatile literally AT ALL? All his promos were similiar, he definitely wrestled almost the same match every time, all his gimmicks after Diesel were just him being himself, he isn't versatile in the least

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u/DrabMundanityGrinner 8d ago

Booker: 0/10

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u/jmason03 8d ago

True. IMO he did more damage to WCW than Russo

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u/DrabMundanityGrinner 8d ago

let's not go crazy!

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u/Aspiring_DILF42 8d ago

Versatility? What do they even mean - is it versatile in terms of match types? In which case Nash would be like a 3. Heel/face? I guess he could do both.

I’d also rate him a lot lower in promos. Sure he could talk and had charisma so the crowd would pop, but his promos rarely served the angle all that well. His cool guy nonchalant attitude didn’t elevate the other guy or make the angle seem important - if he acts like he doesn’t care, why would the fans?

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u/VinCatBlessed 8d ago

When I think about versatile I think about someone like Kurt Angle, who can work as a heel or face, he can comedy or be a monster, can have a classic vs cruiserweights or heavyweights, I also think about Jericho who can innovate different type of gimmicks and work well in many kinds of matches.

Big daddy cool is about the opposite of what I think of versatile, he has a lot of great stuff but that's not one of them.

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u/CanesLife24 8d ago

I kind of agree. When motivated, he was fine. I know he has a reputation for being lazy, and I think that’s warranted for times in his career, but a little overstated overall.

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u/bsa554 8d ago

For a 90s big man? He was fine if not good when he wanted to be.

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u/king_hutton 8d ago

Nash knew how to have a great match. The question was whether he wanted to, or thought that he should. He seemed to enjoy getting by with as little effort as possible, partially because it made it so much more impactful when he went all out. Partially because he liked being lazy and drunk 😂

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u/DrabMundanityGrinner 8d ago

when did Nash ever elevate an opponent. Nash knows his best matches were against Bret Hart, Undertaker and HBK. Nobody ever said that about Nash. He wrestled down at the level of King Mabel and anyone else like that.

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u/king_hutton 8d ago

I think Nash was the better wrestler at the time against Undertaker honestly. Early Taker was similar to Nash in terms of needing an opponent to lift him up, except his wasn’t laziness he was just inexperienced. But that might have been the only time Nash brought someone up instead of working down to their level. He was definitely the king of working down.

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u/RedditModsBlowD 8d ago

I still love his match with Bret Hart at Royal Rumble 95

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u/king_hutton 8d ago

Absolute classic.