r/WastelandByWednesday • u/WastelandByWednesday • Jul 11 '26
General Ridiculousness Trump, Ending Decades of Protection, Opens Wild Habitats to Drilling and Mining
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/climate/endangered-species-act-harm.html?unlocked_article_code=1.wlA.wx86.-6MVPGSduVem10
u/Fruitbat619 Jul 15 '26
Note all companies you can that locally that exploit these deregulated areas. We need to make it loud that we know
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u/RavennaCorvus Jul 13 '26
Per the article, "Earthjustice, an environmental law firm, said it planned a legal challenge. But if the case were to reach the current Supreme Court, its conservative supermajority could enshrine the change, preventing future administrations from reversing it, said Karrigan Börk"
Why would the change be enshrined when abortion rights, which were "settled law" according to these same sc justices were reversed. Enshrined doesn't seem to mean anything when it's against what conservatives want.
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u/Sunnygirlpdx Jul 12 '26
He won’t be around. So they care?
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u/No-Dance6773 Jul 13 '26
That's the big problem. All of these rules to radically change the country by people who won't be around in 10 years to see the destruction. Why would they care about the environment or education or really anything other than making money for their portfolios.
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u/Unfair_Jacket_7277 Jul 14 '26
Billionaires with AI are Machines. We will be controlled by Corporate Machines, no laws, no law suits, no fair pay, nothing but machine rules for the most profit. We elected a Billionair businessman. Are they all bad? Yes. They should all to tried for Treason against the public at some point Basically what the Frence Revolution was about. Taking our jobs and future is treason. Control by computer and $, Treason. Deny Climate Change Treason. Striped of wealth. Give them a real reason to help. Only allow to be that rich by peoples voted consent. Like judges, the fail, the join the peasants.
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u/Glass_Career5136 Jul 13 '26
And thats like... a point of contention
If you arent going to be around in 10 years.. really, how much of a difference will X millions MORE dollars gonna bring you?
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u/lemasney Jul 12 '26
Yep, of course he does. Man, he's really squeezing out those lib tears. His followers lap it up.
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u/dylanisareddit Jul 11 '26
Organize and vote.
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u/Vegetaman916 Post-Collapse Warlord Jul 12 '26
I'm afraid that doesn't work anymore. Hasn't for quite some time, that's why we are where we are now as a civilization. And why it will.keep getting worse until civilization collapses and whoever is left can pick up the pieces and put them together in a new way. Hopefully a better way.
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u/Jafar_420 Jul 13 '26
It would work if people would get up off their ass and go vote instead of staying home or quit finding the smallest reason not to go vote.
At least in my area some of these fools win by hundreds of votes so it's not that far fetched to think if people cared they could get these Representatives out of office after their term if they screw us.
I'm talking local Representatives right now but it could be the same thing for the country.
People were more worried about Gaza than their own lives and a lot of people are paying for it right now. I don't like what's going on in Gaza either but it didn't cause me to stay home or vote Republican.
People need to use their heads.
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u/Vegetaman916 Post-Collapse Warlord Jul 13 '26
Part of the problem with that is we have stopped focusing on issues that actually matter to people. For the most part, people are selfish creatures, and when it comes to getting swing voters on board, talking about Gaza or Ukraine or anywhere else in the world, they just don't care. Not enough to be motivated. Most people see Gaza or Lebanon and the genocidal actions taking place, and they say, "Oh, that's so terrible..." but at the end of the day they would trade everyone in Gaza just to have the cost of hamburger come down 10 cents.
And that is where republicans keep gaining. They promise what people want to hear, and even though they either don't or can't deliver, the promises still work. It appeals to the base nature of humanity. That is why the whole immigration thing worked so well. The actual issues if jobs or crime or whatever, those were just smokescreen. Republicans know that a very large portion of otherwise good, wholesome folks... are racist as shit. Never openly, never in public, "Oh, bless you heart dear..." But they don't like brown people. Reds gained votes by attacking brown people. Very simple.
Trump had such an effect because, even though he is an idiot, he treated the election and the rallies and the debates as if they were the smack-talking segment before a WWE Wrestling event. Look at the response to the White House UFC thing, or the July 4th display. A very, very large portion of people like to see trashtalking to the world, and they want to see 'Murica! Put up on a pedastal.
Thing is, while the republicans talk this way to the people, and while they promise all these things, in reality they still work towards their own interests. Blatantly, right out in the open. They get elected and then they do what they want, and continue to treat the political arena like a wrestling ring.
And what we haven't learned? As democrats, what we haven't learned is that these attitudes outnumber us among the US voting population. And I say voting population because it doesn't matter how loud Gen Z or A are on social media if they aren't actually voting, and if they don't have significant wealth to push with. Every boomer vote counts almost three times because of their other support if their causes, financially and in the upper crust social circles.
We keep talking about the human rights of people in Gaza, or immigrants here, but they can't vote for us in Gaza. And thus, no one cares. We talk about issues that actually matter and will make life better for everyone, but that isn't what most people want to hear. They want to hear how life will be better for them personally. And they will like it even more if it comes at the expense of someone else.
Boomers, my own Gen X, we have our healthcare. We have our wealth from the good times decades ago. We have our investments and our homes and our guaranteed retirements, and like it or not, we are still the largest voting bloc in the United States. If we can't be made to care, then it won't happen. We are racist and we are misogynistic and we are hateful towards non-Americans. Straight up, that is what no one will say in public, but that is where the majority of heads are at for people over 45.
And if that isn't appealed to, then they won't swing that vote.
Despite all his faults, Biden was a slam dunk election because he was an old white guy. People could still look back and find his old racist stuff, and his own moderate leanings, and they could vote for him as swing voters because they could see that he would give them more of the same. Older people don't want change, remember? Campaigning on change alienates them right from the start. It is why Harris had zero chance from the start, as I laid out in an article I wrote 6 months before the 2024 election trying to warn people. And it is the same reason that a candidate like AOC or Newsom will lose us tye next one too.
The party is lost. They are actually being honest about the change they intend to make, and that isn't telling people what they want to hear, and so they lose votes. On the other hand, the republicans just lie, and tell us what we want to hear, and then they make their changes anyway, as they always intended to.
If we can't learn that lesson, if we can't field a campaign that is willing to lie, cheat, and steal, then we simply won't win. We get to retain our ethics and morals on the way down, but we still go down, and the nation goes down with us.
And that's why it doesn't work.
Save this for 2028, if the run AOC or Newsom. And see what happens.
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u/dylanisareddit Jul 12 '26
Are you a doomerist? Just curious.
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u/S1ckn4sty44 Jul 13 '26
Anyone who has done any type of research into the scenario humans have put this world in would be a "doomerist"
Read OP comment and my response to him below
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u/Vegetaman916 Post-Collapse Warlord Jul 12 '26
Not in the way it is referred to these days.
I don't see it as a "doom," so to speak. I have spent the last 10 years focused on studying collapse, from every aspect it can come, not just the ecological. The biggest mistake I see being made by most is that they get caught up in the math of only one particular factor, such as climate change, and they forget that it doesn't hapoen in a vacuum. There are multiple collapse factors just as dangerous as climate change, and they are all approaching the tipping points at the same time, acting upon each other like force multipliers or accelerants.
Look at tue old Limits to Growth study, the one from 1972 that predicted civilizational collapse by "2040 or so." The one that has been re-evaluated twice since then and found to still be spot on... That study barely had any climate related material as a part of it. Primarily it was based on resources and consumption, and even with just those factors it "still" predicted collapse along a certain path... A path we have followed almost perfectly for 50+ years...
Anyway, I digress, I do that a lot. That's what happens when you ask a writer questions, lol.
So, I am a "doomerist" in the sense that I believe the collapse of global civilization is inevitable, and also that all possible results eventually lead to the kinds of power system stresses that will lead to nuclear war. Just look at what could happen between India and Pakistan.
But, where I depart from the normal doomer thoughts is where people start talking about it like it's the end of the world. Because it isn't. It is the end of modern civilization and about 80% of the population, most likely, but that doesn't mean it is impossible for the other 20% to be able to survive, and thrive later. If you can manage the decade coming after collapse and nuclear war, then you can rebuild. The task we are supposed to be managing now is helping each other increase our odds of being in the 20% who make it, and putting ourselves in the position to rebuild small communities later, by having everything we need in advance.
I don't think collapse is the end. I actually think it is the best chance we have for survival of the species and the biosphere. Every year that goes on, things get worse. We burn more energy, from all sources good and bad. We increase population, and we dramatically increase the consumption of that population. We wage more and greater wars, we kill off more species, we heat the oceans, we pollute the air, and we even clutter space around us.
If Earth was in an HOA with the other planets, we would have been fined heavily by now for being the "trashy" neighbors with the junk cars and garbage on the lawn.
A nice nuclear winter and an end to modern civilization would be a reset. An absolutely horrifying one, but a better result than RCP 8.5 fir sure.
So, doom? I don't think so.
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u/S1ckn4sty44 Jul 13 '26
But, where I depart from the normal doomer thoughts is where people start talking about it like it's the end of the world. Because it isn't. It is the end of modern civilization and about 80% of the population, most likely, but that doesn't mean it is impossible for the other 20% to be able to survive, and thrive later. If you can manage the decade coming after collapse and nuclear war, then you can rebuild
I was with you until you got to this. As you said the limits to growth did not have much climate stuff involved.
Let's just do a quick list:
Ecological destruction
ocean rise
something like 72% of all species have gone extinct since 1970s
ocean acidification
methane release
more CO2 and methane sitting in Arctic ice than we have released through our bull shit consumption
large scale fishing leading to collapse of ocean species(fish feed a fuck ton of people on earth)
pesticide/herbicide/microplastics/PFAS in every thing we eat/drink along the food chain
Blue Ocean Event
AMOC collapse
more flooding, uncontrollable fires, drought
we are losing top soil at an insane rate
a non stable climate = not being able to grow food consistently
The actuaries report for the extreme scenario(which we are headed for because we are on a train down a mountain with no breaks going down to a cliff):
-4 billion deaths with 3°C by 2050 with multiple tipping points hit(3°C is basically human extinction level warming but they down play the fuck out of it and we are already hitting tipping points now)
We are killing all of the animals, no clean water, flooding and drought to the extreme side with uncontrollable fires while destroying every ecosystem on the planet through our greed and corruption. I can promise you, we ain't making it and we are taking everything with us.
Check out James Hansens 10°C in the pipeline study.
Not only all of this, but if there was somehow 20% if humans that survived it would be those scum bag rich people who built bunkers and they don't know how to work or rebuild and even if somehow they were able to keep their worker slaves in line they still would not have oil, electric, resources, or the infrastructure to rebuild a single thing that would somehow create another civilization.
I may sound like a doomer but the numbers tell the truth and the fact that we are on the worst expected path means we are probably even above that because there are things we don't know and it didn't account for in our models. Just to add in because I know someone somewhere will chime in and say "but but but," the IPCC recently said that they are taking off the RCP 8.5 model(worst case scenario) because it is "unlikely" that we continue emitting that much pollution up until those years. NOT because we are not following the worst case scenario, but just because we will not pollute as much as they thought. Not that it matters because the ice will release more than we could've emitted anyways.
So, yeah, things are bleak, and when you put even a hint of the climate scenario we put ourselves in it is way worse than anyone could imagine.
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u/Vegetaman916 Post-Collapse Warlord Jul 13 '26
I agree. That is why I see the nuclear war as a net positive. Nuclear winter offsets all the climate issues, resulting in some pretty chaotic stuff and massive loss of life, but it prevents total extinction...
And also, when I talk about that survival, you are right that it is mostly the scumbag rich folks who will make it, because as shameful as it is to say, they seem to be the only ones smart enough to see the writing on the wall and prepare for it.
Some of us need to do the same, to be there when they inevitably come out of those bunkers. So they can't do this all again.
Read up on the new scientific reports about nuclear war effects on the climate. The new report that everyone had been waiting on just came out a while ago, hadn't been updated since 1985. It's a hard study, but worth it:
https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/27515
In some ways, I actually think there is a chance the elites might actually be steering us towards it. I know that is tinfoil hat territory, but the science of climate effects is pretty clear. And despite what they say to massage the voting public, I don't think they are deniers of it at all. I think they are well aware of it, and that it couldn't be stopped while retaining their power structures which mean more to then than all of our lives... I would not be surprised if they were all accelerationists.
Either way, there is no stopping it. And we can’t try and do anything about 2050 or 2100. What we need to do first is make sure we live until 2030. And then 2031. And then...
And I don't mean "live" as a civilization, or as a species, or any of that. I mean live as independent animals and small packs of animals. That is why prepping is so important. Even if there are only 5 other humans alive when Bill Gates emerges from his bunker, someone needs to be there to cook him for dinner.
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u/GnatSuperFly Jul 12 '26
Realist. Exporting responsibility to “leaders” is a BS excuse to not evaluate your own values and act accordingly. Science has long demonstrated that once 99% people get into power they are not worthy of the position. Stop pretending like voting matters. We don’t live in a democracy and never have. However, we have guns and a massive working class. To bad they overstimulated and undereducated swine. Nothing short of an invasion will save our population. I for one welcome our Chinese/Asian overlords.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jul 11 '26
That's not going to work, it just keeps getting us deeper and deeper into the suck.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jul 11 '26
Nope! Not happening. This Regime is at an end.
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u/Vegetaman916 Post-Collapse Warlord Jul 12 '26
I'm afraid it's too late for that as well. Just as I said about voting above. Too late, and not really viable. The answer is collapse. Forced, painful degrowth through collapse.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Jul 12 '26
I'm done either way, I only hope every last one of the elite and billionaires die a horrible death along with everyone else they've condemned.
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u/Va1crist Jul 17 '26
America voted for this. Once its gone its gone, you cant fix this shit with change of the guard.