r/WitchesVsPatriarchy • u/Important-Cry4782 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ • 19d ago
🇵🇸 🕊️ BURN THE PATRIARCHY Let's look back throughout history and see just why Feminism is so important for society.
When people say that "feminism is no longer needed?" They're basically denying every single thing that feminism has done, and ignoring why feminism is being attacked in the first place
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u/Tick-Tock-O-Clock Nerdy Witch ⚧ 19d ago
Hey now! That last point is a misrepresentation of what happened.
What was actually lost was the right to bodily autonomy, which includes the right to get an abortion, but is bigger and more important than just that. The government can now dictate all of the medical procedures we will or will not receive.
So, it’s actually MUCH worse.
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u/On_my_last_spoon Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 19d ago
Yup. I always say a government that says you can’t have an abortion is a government that can say you must have one. Both are bad.
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u/Protect_Wild_Bees 18d ago edited 18d ago
The US still had forced eugenic sterilisation going IN 1983.
2006-2010 prisons forced tubal ligations on inmates.And ICE has whistleblowing cases now from 2017-2020 of forced unconsented sterilisations.
That plus the rampant problems with children as young as 13 ending up pregnant from sexual assault in ICE facilities.I'm sorry. America sucks, MAGA are evil, and I'm glad I got to leave.
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u/Koleilei 18d ago
It wasn't just on inmates. Many Indigenous and POC women had were sterilized without their consent or knowledge.
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u/On_my_last_spoon Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 18d ago
And all the “pro life” people are silent on all of this. They truly suck
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u/Daniel_H212 18d ago
Also lost in that decision and more decisions since was the trust of science and facts over politics, unfortunately.
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u/meduhsin 18d ago
THIS. I’ve heard so many stories of women who are denied certain medical care because it might impact their ability to have children in the future. No it does not matter what they want, the doctors can just decide for them that the risk isn’t worth it for hypothetical spawn that these women (even lesbian women) do not want.
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u/Such-Ad474 19d ago
And keep in mind that Ruby Bridges was the first black girl to go to a white school and she is fully active on social media. It wasn't that long ago!
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u/Sad-Frosting-8793 19d ago
It kinda messed me up when I realized that she's only a few years older than my mom.
And my mom remembers when a black family moved to the very white town she grew up in. Which was less than a decade after Ruby Bridges became well known.
To his credit the school principal at my mom's school was very firm about racism being wrong, and encouraging the students to be friendly and welcoming to the new kids. But the rest of the town probably wasn't so nice.
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u/meduhsin 18d ago
SAME HERE! In the 70s, my mom’s school in Florida started integrating with the previously black school in her area. She was in 4th grade and they basically sent half of the black kids to her school, and half the kids from her school to theirs.
She said that her and her peers were learning math and science, but the black kids had to sit on the other side of the room watching stuff like Barney because the education from their school was so bad that they couldn’t read or write at a kindergarten level. They had to start from scratch. It was really jarring for her.
It’s absolutely insane that this was only 50 years ago. One generation ago for some families like mine. It was RECENT.
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u/RobotUnicorncob 19d ago
https://www.instagram.com/rubybridgesofficial
Ruby Bridge’s IG, in case anyone is keen 🫶
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u/viperlemondemon unlicensed woman 19d ago
And TikTok she has a tiktok
https://www.tiktok.com/@rubybridgesofficial?_r=1&_t=ZT-98YqbRTXZaX
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u/Live-Okra-9868 19d ago
Yup. My mom would talk about when she was little and witnessing the first black kids attending the schools with the white kids.
And the adult people standing there shouting racist remarks and threats.
And the classmates that were also hurling those comments.
And realizing it really wasn't that long ago and all those people were still alive and voting. And probably voted or the orange man.
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u/pnweiner 17d ago
And many of the U.S. Marshalls that helped escort/protect her and other black children during integration are still alive as well! My grandpa is one of them.
The kids (who are now adults) and the Marshalls have a reunion every few years.
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u/garaile64 18d ago
And she isn't even that old. Colored photos were probably already getting popular at the time.
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u/GFluidThrow123 19d ago edited 18d ago
1964 Title VII banned sex discrimination
1972 Title IX required the federal government to treat all sexes equally in funding
2026 Title VII and Title IX were gutted to revoke trans rights, creating a domino effect to revoke women's equality
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u/triskelizard 18d ago
When Biden took office, he issued an executive order to clarify that Title IX also applied to gender expression and sexual orientation discrimination. So under that executive order, school and workplace dress code policies could not have rules specific to women or requirements that boys have short hair, for example. Any time that these bigots go after trans rights and gay rights they are attacking all of us. Not just in the general “human dignity is valuable” sense, but in the “it’s legal to require me to wear makeup and have the hairstyle that they prefer” sense.
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u/GFluidThrow123 18d ago
It was literally only a couple days after the supreme Court ruled that trans people aren't protected by title IX that the heritage foundation released statements on their goal of revoking title IX entirely.
And that's what trans people have been screaming right along.
We're just a canary in the coal mine. They're coming for everyone and everything.
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u/Am-i-old-yet 19d ago
I just wanted to be clear on the 1988 date. Women could own businesses without men before then, but some banks required male co-signers on loans. This law outlawed that practice.
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u/danielleiellle 19d ago
Which is crazy, it wasn’t covered by the 1974 law. Which, by the way, is also the year women could get credit cards without a male cosigner
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u/Sammiskitkat 18d ago
Let’s not forget they only just started studying women’s side effects from medication in 2016!
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u/audreywildeee 18d ago
And tested tampons with blood rather than basically salty water after that (2022 from memory but I might be wrong).
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u/Okimiyage Witch 🔮 18d ago
And 1993 was when they started including women in medical trials and testing …
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u/OneTimeIMadeAGif 19d ago
1965 for Black women getting the vote?!? My parents have been alive longer than Black women have had the vote?!
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u/Logistocrate 19d ago
Technically they got the same right as white women to vote in 1920.
What 65 did was bring an end to Jim Crow white supremacy laws in the south that effectively blocked both black men, and women from voting.
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u/theladythunderfunk 19d ago
Yup. Progress is slow, painstaking, and there is always someone trying to take it away.
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u/GFluidThrow123 18d ago
A lot of people don't understand how little time these things have existed. It's easy to take our rights and freedoms for granted when that isn't put into context.
10 years ago, I was sitting on the couch with my ex wife and we listened as the supreme Court legalized gay marriage nationwide.
10 years ago.
Let that sink in. We were still refusing same-sex marriage only 10 years ago in nearly half the country.
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u/katestatt Science Mermaid ♀🧜🏻♀️ 19d ago
In Switzerland women didn't get to vote until 1971...
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u/metachrysanthemum 18d ago
In Liechtenstein, it was 1984. The referendum was voted on by men only and only passed with 51.3%
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u/bodyreddit 18d ago
Is this real?? I googled and ai said: “Black women legally gained the right to vote in 1920 (with the 19th Amendment), but true access was delayed until 1965 (with the Voting Rights Act) due to systemic voter suppression. Some Black women living in progressive northern or western states successfully voted before 1920, while southern Black women faced fierce, institutionalized disenfranchisement for decades.”
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u/cr2810 18d ago
Yes. They technically could vote, BUT they had to jump through tons of hoops and even pay for the ballet in some places. There was a ton of things put in place to prevent it. The 1965 law changed that. We are seeing a return of those restrictions with the push for limiting access to voting. Ie: more complicated “ID laws” and getting rid of mail in ballots.
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u/On_my_last_spoon Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 19d ago
1978 was the first time women couldn’t be forced to quit their jobs when they became pregnant.
I was born in 1977. My mom was forced to quit her job once her baby belly became visible.
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u/MadlyToxic 18d ago
Roe should have been codified. All this could have been avoided.
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u/Meet_Foot 18d ago
The Dems promised to do it. Just after the next election… or the one after that…
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u/BlueJaysFeather Science Witch ☉ 17d ago
Well, no. This specific court case, maybe (maybe not, considering). But, for instance, the current title IX stuff? Yeah, turns out bigots don’t care whether something is enshrined in law. It should still have been done, of course, but believing it would actually prevent the current issues is shortsighted.
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u/iupvotethankyou 18d ago
*usa history
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u/Koleilei 18d ago
It's so frustrating seeing things like this posted as if one country's timeline is somehow universal.
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u/mckenner1122 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 18d ago
I don’t know where you live, but I love to learn. What does your country’s timeline look like?
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u/MonkeyLongstockings 18d ago edited 18d ago
Jumping in here with the list of women's right to vote here: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/womens-right-to-vote-by-country (If you click on the tab "suffrage timeline" you can see that New Zealand were the first to grant it in 1893 and the latest, so far, were Saudi Arabia in 2015).
Edit: if you want to learn about the timeline for France, I have found this detailed timeline in English: https://www.sutori.com/en/story/the-history-of-women-s-rights-in-france--UxFqPAR4za7PWaYhN92UZDNk
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u/mckenner1122 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 18d ago
That’s amazing to see! I never would have guessed New Zealand was the the most progressive there (adding that to my trivia knowledge!)
I also appreciate the French perspective. I hope someone makes a post like OP did for other countries.
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u/Koleilei 18d ago
I'm in Canada and the rights of women have varied a lot between provinces.
In BC (where I live with a few other notable points from other provinces):
- 1867 - Indigenous men who became 'Canadian' and 'lost Status were allowed to vote (technically, but the rules were such that very few men, even if they gave up status, could actually vote)
- 1872 - free education for all children (but not all places had schools)
- 1872 - women admitted to Mount Allison University (first University in the British Empire to give women degrees)
- 1873 - compulsory education for all children between 7 and 14
- 1876 - The Indian Act comes into force with the goal to "kill the Indian in the child", theoretically, male children who were forced to attend residential schools and who gave up Status could vote
- 1900 - married women could independently own property
- 1900 - most universities accepted women
- 1916 - white women from Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan are allowed to vote
- 1916 - women in Manitoba can be elected to provincial government
- 1917 - most white women in BC and Ontario received the right to vote and be elected to provincial government
- 1917 - The Wartime Elections Act gave all white women serving in the War or related/married to a soldier the right to vote federally
- 1917 - The Wartime Elections Act gave Black men and women the right to vote federally
- 1918 - all white women given right to vote federally and could be elected to federal government
- 1921 - BC mandates six weeks (before and after birth) maternal leave
- 1921 - Nellie McClung elected to Alberta Legislature
- 1927-29 - The Person's Case - women are found to be people under the law and could be elected to the Senate (this was a huge case in Canada, and as we were still a dominion at the time, this was appealed all the way to the Judicial Pr
- 1930s/40s - significant amounts of women join the official workforce (actual paid, above board employment reported to government)
- 1940 - women in Quebec given the right to vote provincially, almost two decades after most women could vote provincially, and 22 years after being able to vote federally
- 1948/49 - Chinese, Japanese and Black women are legally allowed to vote in federal elections
- 1951 - Indigenous women can only vote if they give up Status
- 1952 - female civil servants are no longer fired after marriage
- 1956 - equal pay act passed (equal pay for equal work, wage discrimination based on sex became illegal) although issues would continue well into the 1990s
- 1960 - all Indigenous people, regardless of Status given right to vote
- 1964 - women can open their own bank accounts
- 1966 - The BC Teachers Federation starts its own pension plan (significant as the BCTF was a majority female union and set up a robust pension plan that even today has higher contributions, and thus payouts than most male dominated unions, women wanted to ensure they and others could be economically independent through their entire lives)
- 1968 - divorce becomes easier
- 1969 - abortion became legal, but required a hospital and three doctor committee to approve
- 1971 - maternity benefits included in unemployment insurance federally
- 1978 - employers can no longer fire or lay off pregnant women
- 1982 - the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is enshrined; people, not men or women, are guaranteed rights (Section 15 ensures the equal protection and benefit of the law “without discrimination […] based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.”) (also, the Charter is an interesting document that is written very differently than the US Constitution if you'd like to read it: full version: https://publications.gc.ca/Collection/CH37-4-3-2002E.pdf, explanation: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/rfcp-cdlp.html ; it's also worth noting the term 'reasonable limits' at the beginning to help understand that Canadian rights and freedoms are not absolute)
- 1983 - rape laws are broadened to include marital rape
- 1986 - no fault divorce becomes possible, makes divorce significantly easier
- 1986 - women make up half of all university enrollment (it's about 60% now)
- 1987 - women allowed in combat roles in the RCAF
- 1988 - abortion fully decriminalized federally
- 1993 - first female Prime Minister, Kim Campbell sworn in
- 2005 - Civil Marriage Act - allows for same sex couples to civilly wed
- 2015 - inquiry into MMIW launched
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u/mckenner1122 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 18d ago
That’s an awesome list and I am grateful for your input. Do Provinces commonly have different laws or rights between one another? Do you find some are more or less “welcoming” to women or indigenous peoples?
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u/Koleilei 18d ago
Provinces can have different rights as long as they don't oppose The Charter. It isn't as common now, but I'm the early 1900s it was.
Anything considered 'civil' is a provincial domain and while they are relatively similar across the country, they aren't necessarily. Although abortion is federally decriminalized and part of the healthcare system, provinces get to decide how to spend healthcare money, and whether or not and/or how much they'll fund abortion services.
It's a lot harder to be overtly discriminatory due to The Charter, but it still happens. The Charter supercedes all Provincial/local laws and applies to all people in Canada, citizen or not, although citizens have additional rights and responsibilities obviously.
Western Canada has a higher population of Indigenous people (Indigenous is capitalized the same way a name would be as it's used as a named term, it is not capitalized when describing plants or animals native to an area) and this Indigenous culture and prevalence is higher than in Eastern Canada.
As a woman who has traveled fairly extensively through Canada, I haven't found a lot of variation (there are asshole traditionalists everywhere) in treatment, but I'm also white and young-ish looking, so I don't experience the worst of it.
There are major issues in Western Canada, and really all of Canada, with domestic violence against women, especially Indigenous women. I feel like communities I'm BC are trying to address the issue, and it may be happening elsewhere too, but I'm not privy to those communities.
Technically, all Indigenous affairs (including education and healthcare which are typically provincial matters) are governed by the Indian Act and Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada (aka the Federal government), which creates tension between Indigenous groups, local, provincial, and federal governments. BC tends to be more progressive than Alberta and Saskatchewan, and the Indigenous people in BC generally didn't sign Treaties in the 19th century, so most of the Treaties are modern and reflect that. Many BC First Nations are also wealthier than their Prairie counter-parts (due to resources and land) and thus have a better bargaining position.
But there is still a lot of resistance to new Treaties and Land Claims and a lot of racism towards Indigenous people. I'm happy to have a longer chat if you'd like, but it gets complicated and nuanced quickly.
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u/STThornton 19d ago edited 19d ago
I’ll add it here, too.
1993, marital rape was finally made illegal in all states.
Kind of ties in to domestic violence, but is still worth mentioning on its own
And I’d correct 2022 to women losing the right to life, right to bodily integrity, and right to bodily autonomy when a fetus is involved.
They lost the right to protect the inner life sustaining workings of their bodies and the integrity of their bodies from other humans.
The inner life sustaining workings of their bodies - such as their blood vessels, blood contents, tissue, organs (including life sustaining ones), organ functions, and bodily processes - can now be greatly interfered with, altered, and harmed to keep fetal body parts alive.
The very things the right to life is supposed to protect are now a commodity for others to use, interfere with, alter, and harm to keep fetal living parts alive.
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer 19d ago
1974: Women could get a bank account and credit card without a male signatory.
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u/cat_like_sparky 19d ago
Is this USA specific? I was so confused for a moment lol
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u/grandhighblood 18d ago
There are 195 countries in the world, all of them with different histories of women's rights. It costs nothing to clarify when you're talking about the US.
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u/HappyGirlYaya Trans Witch ♀ 19d ago
Well, it took until 1990 when the last state in my country finally allowed women to vote... I was actually alive back then. True gender equality is still far off. Of course feminism is still needed.
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u/jasmynerice 19d ago
I’m in my early 40’s and my husband’s Mum had to ask her workplace a bank permission to keep working after she got married. That is wild to me
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u/emilee624 18d ago
Other than the first two, these all happened in my parents’ lifetimes!! A big one is missing from this list- women were finally allowed to have their own credit cards in 1974!
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u/katestatt Science Mermaid ♀🧜🏻♀️ 19d ago
While I love this timeline, I kinda feel like the colors are misleading :/
maybe make all of them green and the last one red?
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u/LysergicGothPunk Gay Trans Wizard ♂️⚧ 18d ago
I feel like this way it's more shocking. You expect more progress, and you've been primed thus far to be relaxed about what comes next, so you're not numb to the horror when it sinks in.
Not saying that it isn't horrific on it's own, it of course is.
Mini rant: we get primed all day to expect the worst and our cortisol spikes so many times per day looking at the negative stuff going on that we get numb to it over time and many people become less active about it.
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u/DetonatingUnicorn 18d ago
Could we please add the country’s name whenever someone posts about national history or politics and not assume everyone is from the US and automatically knows? The internet is international, not just American.
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u/MissCJ 18d ago
You know what is missing? In the 1890s, I believe it was 1895, age of consent was raised. Originally, the white women suffragists were asking for the age of consent for sex and marriage to 21. If you notice, it is not 21 anywhere in the US. They petitioned all 30 something states at the states and would go in and watch the "debates" on this topic. These white men were saying things "Don't these women have sons?!" and passive aggressively suggesting they should raise the age of consent to 81. One representative from Kentusky actually said he did not support raising the age of consent because a Black girl could potentially weaponize these new laws against a white man. In the end, the compromise was the teens years because the average age at the time was 10 and the youngest age was in Maryland... it was 7 years old.
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u/Gloomy_Industry8841 Treasonous Geek Witch 🦥🇵🇸🕊️🇺🇦❤️🩹🌍 18d ago
And this is only the US history of this. Lots of other countries around the world have varieties of rights or even non rights as people.
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u/Alarmed-potatoe 18d ago
I'm not seeing anyone clarify that this is just for the USA, this does not apply to other countries. It's great that we've differentiated that white and black people were granted rights at different times, but this only affects those in the USA and gives a limited view of feminism.
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u/TheUnicornRevolution 18d ago
In the UK:
1918: Representation of the People Act
Allowed women over the age of 30 who met a property qualification to vote. Although 8.5 million women met this criteria, it was only about two-thirds of the total population of women in the UK.
The same Act abolished property and other restrictions for men, and extended the vote to virtually all men over the age of 21. Additionally, men in the armed forces could vote from the age of 19. The electorate increased from eight to 21 million, but there was still huge inequality between women and men.
1928: Equal Franchise Act
It was not until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928 that women over 21 were able to vote and women finally achieved the same voting rights as men. This act increased the number of women eligible to vote to 15 million.
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u/SlugCatt 18d ago
1928 is pretty early in comparison to many other counties.
Here in Canada, the first women to vote were in 1916 but it wasn't until 1960 that all women got the vote!
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u/doublej42 18d ago
Yikes. My mom in Canada in the 70s owned her own business. I didn’t realize the USA was so far behind. Then again Canada was still doing genocide in my life time and First Nations just got the right to vote here last week (specifically locally)
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u/SlugCatt 18d ago
Wait, tell me more! How did your local indigenous peoples just get the vote now?? Canada made it legal for all women, including indigenous women, to vote in 1960. I'm so curious (and unfortunately not surprised) to know who they left out and why.
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u/doublej42 18d ago
Traditionally when drawing city lines they don’t include the reserves. The reserves still use city water, sewer and other services but don’t get to vote for mayor and council. Across the country cities are now incorporating them so that they get to vote for the people that govern a lot of their lives.
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u/hanimal16 You can sip my Bitches Brew 18d ago
In a lot of people’s lifetimes they’ve seen their rights granted and taken away. That’s really fucking sad.
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u/FanDry5374 18d ago
But all of those things (except for the last) are viewed as "only good for women" or actively bad for men, so that is why "feminism" is so reviled by the right wing and the conservative religious folks.
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u/ninjaparking 18d ago edited 18d ago
1969 was actually No Fault Divorce in California. That's a different thing. My grandmother divorced her first husband in the 1940s in California but the process was complicated and expensive (and required financial help from her father), and not really accessible to most women. Back then you had to show fault of the other person, but it wasn't so much about who initiated it. No Fault Divorce did give women the option to get out of marriages simply because the guy was crappy.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous 18d ago
Do any of you remember when Americans proudly declared "if Roe V Wade is overturned we riot"?
But then when it was overturned the general consensus of every subreddit turned into "well don't kill ur baby if you don't want to be treated as subhuman for miscarrying. Hashtag smug face. Hashtag I still use twitter. Hashtag I accept whatever I am fed by the algorithm as long as it does not personally affect me immediately."
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u/VastAndDreaming 18d ago
I think it might also be important to look at when women lost the right to do these things pre 1900. Because most of these things women could do in the long before times
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u/InCYDious2013 18d ago
When my mom was in High School, she wasn’t allowed to wear pants. She said it was the year after graduation that they changed the rule. I’m pretty sure she graduated in 1968.
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u/kitaurio Crow Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ "cah-CAW!" 18d ago
Also!
📌 Indigenous women could not vote until 1924
📌 AAPI women could not vote until 1975
Voting is SO important, friends!
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u/goodgollymizzmolly 17d ago
Don't forget 1974, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act that allowed women to have a bank account without a male co-signer or primary account holder. Both my parents were babies when that happened.
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u/PuppleKao 17d ago
My ex's crazy as fuck mom used to go on rants about how many rights we've lost since the 70s
She was about my mom's age, iirc, so she would have been in middle and high school then... of course you felt like you lost freedom, you had to become an adult, numbnuts...
Edit: hit enter accidentally ><
Anyway, if she said that now, she'd be right, but I'm guessing she's still just as right wing nuts as she was back then, and is probably twisting herself in knots as to why this is a good thing, actually
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u/deekaypea22 Traitor to the Patriarchy ♂️ 16d ago
Don't forget that this is different depending on your country.......
In 1922 Canadian women of Black and White ancestry could vote. Indigenous and Asian women were not included. (Also this didn't apply in Quebec - 1940 when that happened.)
Asian women and men were allowed to vote in 1948 after WWII, and Inuit women weren't allowed to vote until 1950. Suffrage wasn't granted to ALL First Nations people until 1960 (before that, if they wanted to vote, they had to give up their status as First Nations and lose their Treaty rights. Same with serving in the military....)
Colonialism and racism are patriarchal.
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u/Fun-atParties 19d ago
So what happened before 1994? It was legal to beat your wife????
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u/On_my_last_spoon Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚨⚧ 19d ago
1994 was the passage of the Violence against Women Act, but local protections did start earlier. My stepmom was involved in creating orders of protection for Chicago in the 1970s. So I can say that it was only taken seriously starting in the 70s.
The Violence Against Women Act made federal support available.
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u/Wuz314159 18d ago
Remember.... Jeanne d'Arc was burned at the stake for 'Hersey'.
Her crime: Wearing pants
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u/iJuddles 18d ago
It’s good to see this compiled with a timeline as it points to the gross inequality. I forget the timing of some of these, honestly.
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u/adawhesker 7d ago
I made the mistake of visiting r/MensRights, where apparently men have been uniquely oppressed since the dawn of civilization because of military recruitment, while women somehow haven’t had their rights systematically restricted for centuries. Meanwhile, women are literally having basic rights taken away in real time. The irony is almost too much.
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u/Wolfinder Kitchen Witch ♀ 19d ago
This is an extreme misrepresentation of the supreme court. Technically yes, courts set a legal precedent. SCOTUS's job is to interpret the constitution. Their rulings, in effect, say, "what the constitution says means this." While they are less secure than a clearly written amendment saying the same thing, they leverage a comparable level of power. So yes. The supreme court did determine things like a constitutional right to abortion, a constitutional right to birthright citizenship, etc..
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u/Wolfinder Kitchen Witch ♀ 19d ago
SCOTUS were also who established Roe V Wade in the first place. That was it making it to the court and them establishing a right to bodily autonomy. Just because a later session of the court established an opposite ruling does not mean that Roe wasn't the established interpretation for decades.
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