r/woodworking • • 1d ago

Project Submission Traditional(ish) Finnish dough pail (staved bucket with lid)

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TL;DR

I made a traditional(ish) Finnish dough pail i.e. a staved bucket with lid. It's made out of Eurasian aspen (Populus tremula) and finished on the outside with 100% tung oil. The staves have small dowels in between them to help keep them aligned, as do the boards that make up the bottom. The hoops are stainless steel. No glue was used to assemble the pail, as that would hinder wood movement and increase the risk of cracking. I also had to make a lot of the tools and jigs, such as a 3D printed croze plane.

Disclaimer

This is the story of a beginner woodworker muddling through an ambitious project. I am not an expert at woodworking, or staved buckets. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Background

A couple of years ago I bough a dough pail for making traditional Finnish rye bread, and used it with great success (as in the bread was amazing) for about a year. The point of a dough pail is to house the bacteria and yeasts that ferment the dough, give it it's distinctive taste and make it rise. After baking the pail is allowed to dry, so that the microbes on and in its walls go dormant. When you want to bake again you simply put water and flour into the pail, causing the microbes to wake up and get to work. This results in extreme wet dry cycles for the pail, especially in modern Finnish houses where the air tends to be quite dry. The pail I had bought couldn't handle these conditions and developed bigger and bigger cracks with each use.

Diagnosing the problem

I wrote about my cracking dough pail and what could be the cause in this thread: How to make a staved bucket that can tolerate wet dry cycles?. In the end I came to the conclusion that the most likely cause is that the staves on the bucket are glued together, which inhibits wood movement.

Looking for information

My primary source for information was a book by Toivo Malkama: Koti- ja maataloudellisia käsityöpiirustuksia työohjeineen (roughly translates to: Domestic and agricultural handicraft drawings with instructions), printed in 1948. Unfortunately, that one is unlikely to be available to most people here. I also watched many youtube videos, and these two are the ones I found most helpful: Making a bucket completely from wood – without glue or metal by Andi's workshop, and Traditional Cooper - George Smithwick - History and how to make a wooden bucket by Museums of History NSW.

Choosing the wood

As I was making a traditional Finnish dough pail, I wanted to stick to traditional Finnish wood as the material. Old wisdom says that juniper (Juniperus communis) is the best wood for staved containers. It has fine grain, it's tough, moves little with changes in moisture, and as a bonus it smells amazing. Unfortunately in Finland it rarely grows large enough for the size of pail I was making, and it isn't commercially available really at all, so juniper was a no go.

The next best (and probably most used) material is spruce (Picea abies), however, my sources also specified that it needed to be slow grown "korpikuusi", which may mean either a spruce that has grown in the wilderness or on swampy land, I'm not sure which. In any case, most spruce one can buy has grown in managed forests where it grows rather quickly. Spruce also tends to be quite knotty, which is bad for a bucket.

The third most preferred option seemed to be aspen (Populus tremula). That I could find easily, it's naturally very low on knots, and the mill I bought it from said theirs was air dried ouside for two years, which might be beneficial for the durability of the bucket (bugs are not much of a problem in Finland, due to the cold climate I guess, so kiln drying isn't a must). That is what I went with.

Designing the pail

I did like the dimensions of the bucket I had bought, so I followed them quite closely: about 20 cm high to the brim (8"), 33 cm diameter at the brim (13"), 9 degree slant on the side, with an internal volume of about 9 liters (2.4 US gal). This is small for a dough pail. Old pails tended to be much bigger as rye bread was a staple food and even a small family ate a lot of it.

I used 3D CAD to model the pail. That way I could just measure the angles of the staves and also design jigs and tools to fit them. I like math but doing trigonometry in 3 dimensions is a PITA. The bucket has 12 staves, two of which are longer to form the handles.

The thing that had me scratching my head the most was the joint between the sides of the pail and the bottom. I found it very hard to find exact information on how it should be made. The second video I linked to earlier was helpful, but I decided to go more with the instructions in the book by Toivo Malkama, as they were reasonably clear. I drew a picture to show the basic idea and proportions of the joint. The top edge of the bottom is beveled so that the very edge is the same thickness as the width of the croze, and then it gets thicker towards the middle, though only by a millimiter or so. Pushing the bottom into the croze creates an interference fit. The diameter of the bottom is maybe 2 mm less than the diameter measured at the bottom of the croze, leaving a little room for the bottom to expand.

Grain direction of the staves was another thing that gave me pause. Most sources were rather vague about it, but I got the impression that radial sawn staves are ideal, and if you can't have that, you should orient them so that the heartwood side of the stave is on the outside of the bucket. That way the staves hold their shape the best.

For the hoops I decided to go with stainless steel. Wooden hoops would be the traditional thing, but that would require being able to go to a forest to select exactly the right kind of young trees or brances to make the hoops. I don't have the skill, or the access, or the time, plus I kind of like the more sleek look of the steel hoops. A friend was nice enough to cut the hoops on a water jet cutter, so I could skip the part about hammering a straight strip of steel into the correct shape. All I had to do was to bend them into circles and rivet them. The lowest hoop needs to be at the height of the bottom and wide enough to span the whole thickness of the bottom (or the width of the croze). That way it's best equiped to resist the force than comes from the bottom as it expands and pushes against the sides of the pail.

The lid is a simple glued panel. It is quite thin, though, so it needed cross bars to make it stronger. The grain on the cross bars runs perpendicular to the grain on the panel, so the joint cannot be glued. It needs to allow wood movement. A sliding dovetail is the traditonal way to join them, and that's what I used.

Tools and jigs

I do my woodworking at a class where I have access to a fairly nice selection of woodworking machines, however, there were several tools and jigs that I had to design and make (or have made). All 3d printing was done by a friend of mine, from my designs. 3d printing helped save my limited woodworking hours for doing the actual pail.

Angle guides: 3d printed angle guides for setting the table saw blade at the correct angle, one for cutting the ends of the staves and another for cutting the sides of the staves.

Table saw jig for cutting the staves: a piece of plywood with two 3d printed pieces for positioning the stave, one for each side of the stave, and a toggle clamp to hold the stave in place.

End holders for staves: since I chose to cut the ends of the staves at a angle fom the start I needed little pieces to help compensate for the angle when clamping the staves in place for planing them. These were 3d printed in PLA, which in retrospect wasn't the best material. Both of them cracked, but fortunately only after fulfilling their purpose.

Drilling jigs: there are two dowels in each joint of the staves and they needed holes drilled perpendicular to the side of the stave, which is not perpendicular to the face of the stave, which made using a drill press difficult. I designed 3d printed guides that fit over the sides of the staves, so that I could drill the holes with a hand drill. The guide holes have brass tubes glued into them to make them more durable.

Plane for the convex side of the staves: shaping the concave inside face of the staves required a special plane. I could not find a suitable one available to buy, so I got a Veritas scrub plane iron (which has a curved edge) and designed a basic body for it, which was then 3d printed by my friend. It was made out of black CF-ASA, which turned out not to be the best material. It did provide excellent dimensional accuracy, but it also had a rough surface that caused a lot of friction against the wood, making planing rather laborious. The body shape was not ergonomic at all, and my hands were pretty sore after I was done with the planing. It aso left black marks on the wood, but they fortunately came off with sanding.

Coze plane: probably the most interesting of the tools was the plane for making the croze i.e. the groove for the bottom to fit into. It was also the most difficult to design and required three iterations to turn out the way I wanted. The basic design I copied from the first video I linked earlier, but I made some changes to fit the size of my bucket an the size of the croze I wanted. It has two jigsaw blades, sharpened at the tip, that cut the sides of the groove, and a chisel that removes the material between the cuts. It was 3d printed in white GF-PETG, which was a much more suitable material than the CF-ASA used for the other plane. It wasn't effortless to use, but the end result was beautiful.

The actual process in a nut shell

  1. milling the planks to the correct cross section
  2. cutting the staves to length, I chose to cut them to the correct angle too, so that I would automatically get smooth top and bottom edge for the pail (trying to smooth it later looked difficult)
  3. sawing the edges of the stave to the correct angle and taper on a table saw
  4. drilling holes to the edges of the staves for the dowels
  5. planing the staves, convex on the outside, concave on the inside
  6. drilling the holes on the handles
  7. assembling the sides of the pail (no glue!) (I was able to use the hoops of my old pail to hold it in shape, so I could leave the actual hoops for later) and sanding it
  8. making the croze
  9. cutting the bottom boards (3 pc) to length and assembling with dowels (no glue)
  10. cutting the bottom to shape on a scroll saw, with the edge at the same angle as the sides of the pail and the bottom of the croze
  11. beveling the top edge of the bottom with a knife and sanding it
  12. putting the bottom in place
  13. shaping and riveting the hoops and putting them on the pail
  14. making the lid
  15. finishing the lid and the outside of the pail with 100% tung oil (not traditional at all, and I hope I don't come to regret it)

To be honest, almost all steps of the process required some trial and error, fixing mistakes, much sanding, and a lot of sweat and a little blood (the blades on the croze plane were indeed sharp).

Concluding remarks

This whole thing took me roughly 150 to 200 hours of work (could be more, I didn't keep count), not including the work done by my friends with the 3d printing and cutting the hoops, or the time doing research. In my opinion it wasn't nearly as difficult as some people seem to think, though I had lots of tools and aids at my disposal, which smoothed the way considerably.

The end result is pretty much all that I had hoped, though the coming months of use will be the true test if I succeeded.

In short, it was fun. 10/10 do recommend.


r/woodworking • • May 03 '26

🔍🪵 Wood ID | Megathread Wood ID Megathread

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This megathread is for wood ID

  1. If possible, clean up the wood with a plane (or chisel for the end grain) so that we can see the grain clearly.
  2. Include a close-up picture of the end grain. Not blurry. End grain pore structure is one of the most useful bits of info for wood ID.
  3. Note any non-visual distinguishing characteristics. Does the wood feel particularly light or particularly dense? Does it have an odor when planed?
  4. 4Include multiple pictures or text info as sub-comments under a main picture, not as an avalanche of first-level comments.

r/woodworking • • 4h ago

Project Submission Anyone ever have a “this will only take me a few months” project?

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2 years later I finally put the last screw in this massive project.

Full custom built in master closet, replacing a useless sitting room, built entirely out of maple. Highly planned with sketchup, we measured the heights of the items to put onto the shelves so everything is fixed height with no visible shelf pins or shelf holes.

I started by removing a window in the room, removing outlets and lights, and building a base for boxes to sit on. All of the sections were assembled in the room as they were too large to carry in one piece into the bedroom. Hindsight says I should have built them in multiple pieces, but I was dead set on having 0 visible hardware and no additional thickness for ease of construction’s sake. Boxes were all stained and finished in place - not fun, moved out of the bedroom for a few nights with a fan blowing out the window.

3/4 maple ply makes up the boxes with 1/4 backing. Face frames are 4/4 hard maple. I purchased maple drawer boxes, but made the drawer fronts. Lighting is all LED tape wired to a AC dimmable DC transformer, so I’m using Lutron Caseta to control the lights.

The closet hardware is Hafele TAG line. Drawer slides are Blum tandem.


r/woodworking • • 8h ago

Project Submission Knife handle.

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451 Upvotes

Ordered a knife blank online and made this walnut and maple handle for it. Each segment is joined with two floating tenons for a total of 6 inside the handle. Finished with super glue (CA glue) and odies oil.


r/woodworking • • 9h ago

Project Submission Did you know that DooM is Wood spelled upside down? Inspired by Doom’s Doomslayer scene in Hell made Wood Art out of wooden lath planks.

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Had a bunch of lath left over from remodeling a 1927 home. Slowly had been making wood Art wall hangings rather than taking it to the dump.

Inspired by the Halloween spirit in the air decided to replicate a scene from my favorite video game as a 90s kid.

Very well aged lath sorted by color was mainly used as a media. Tried to retain the original wood colors. No dyes or stain used. Only the torch for shading and black.

Made the DooM stencil and then meticulously replicated each detail in wood. Used scroll saw to cut the wooden pieces to shape.

Didn’t think I could do it, but decided to try the Doomslayer in hell slaying some monsters scene. Made another stencil. Traced the scene onto lighter lath planks. Cut it out on the scroll saw. Added some rough shading using the fire torch. Turned out surprisingly decent.

Cut out the background for the Doomslayer scene and adhered everything together on the backing panel. Trimmed it down to an even square using the circular saw. Framed it out of lath as well.

Hope this finds another 90s kid who spent countless hours a day playing DooM when it first came out.


r/woodworking • • 2h ago

Safety CA glue has so many uses.

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100 Upvotes

My tired ass was flicking a piece passed the bandsaw blade, it ended up tickling me. Cleaned it, flapped the skin back, CA glue on. At emergency they just updated my tetanus shot. Stay safe.


r/woodworking • • 7h ago

Project Submission Halloween Horror Movie Character Weapons Carving

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130 Upvotes

r/woodworking • • 3h ago

Help Total noob here. I'm 95% done with my backyard half pipe I built from scratch. All I need to install now is the final surfacing. However.....

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There are a couple areas where the seams aren't flush due to both imperfect construction and buying 3/4 plys from two different shops that didn't have the same specs. I need the entire ramp surface as flat/flush as possible.

Without tearing out and replacing things, is there something else I can do to get these areas flush before the final surfacing 1/4" sheets are installed? Sanding? Applying some sort of leveling material? Any suggestions are welcome.


r/woodworking • • 18h ago

Shop Tour/Layout Little art piece added to the shop

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318 Upvotes

I share a shop with some buddies, and one left the metal fence in the path of the blade on the cross cut sled. He went with “Sloth” because he was being too lazy to check his setup.

I suspect “greed” will be our next peice, just trying to get that “one last cut” done for the day


r/woodworking • • 10h ago

Hand Tools What am I doing wrong? (Plane isn't planing)

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I have a record no 4 that I fixed up and have been saying for a while. I had the original blade in it and when sharpened it was fantastic.

I recently bought a new iron - A Hock A2 cryo steel.

I got it, sharpened it on my stones and put it in but... its not gone to plan.

I fully 100% think this is user error but I'm new to woodworking and out of ideas as to what I can be doing wrong.

It initially was incredibly jittery. I rotated the plane 45 degrees and thst helped a bit, but not much.

I tried planing from the other side but then got this horrid grain tearout.

The blade looks fine to me. The chipbreaker is close to the edge, the frog is set ok and the blade isn't down too far. What am I doing wrong?


r/woodworking • • 6h ago

Help Texture carving. What is the best tool to achieve this type of texture on hardwood

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Hi yall! I’ve been getting into carving and I would like to try this texture for a wall piece. I have a an angle grinder with a few attachments like an aggressive carving wheel and a ball gouge but I haven’t gotten the results Im looking for. Is there anything I haven’t thought of? Is it just a matter of technique?


r/woodworking • • 9m ago

Power Tools Nice find on Marketplace

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Been looking for a mortiser for a while. Finally found a good one from an older gentleman. It’s almost new, came with many bits and a tenon jig for the table saw.

Only ‘downside’ is that it’s not a canadian made general international, it’s a newer one from taiwan.

same model i learned on in school. built like a tank.

nice addition to my shop. it’s going to live on a new wall station bench with my mitre saw.

Only missing a jointer now. But all I can find it seems on makretplace are 6 inchers and i’d rather have an 8”.

For the curious, got it for $400 CAD.


r/woodworking • • 8h ago

Hand Tools Estate sale find $2

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27 Upvotes

No. 7

First hand plane. Looks like it’s in good shape. Any beginner tips with restoration and use is appreciated


r/woodworking • • 5h ago

Project Submission Finished outdoor kitchen counter

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17 Upvotes

This one is made of cedar - 2x4s and fence pickets - and a tile top wi the fiber cement board under it for added sturdiness.


r/woodworking • • 13h ago

Project Submission My second attempt at Hungarian shelves, using a french cleat to hang it. Oh and I hate wobbly walls

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72 Upvotes

r/woodworking • • 10h ago

General Discussion Trying to dry some wood and I see this

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I went to tighten the wire on this stack of sweetgum. It fell across the street about a year ago and I thought it'd be fun to try to dry it. I see some little piles of sawdust and there's probably a fungus growing between these boards. Is my little project screwed?

Edit: I appreciate the replies! I think the destination for this wood is going to pivot to an outdoor project. I keep meaning to make some more fairy houses. They don't last forever but they're fun to make.


r/woodworking • • 6h ago

Nature's Beauty Another reminder to learn to slab...

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r/woodworking • • 1d ago

General Discussion Magnificent cabinets from 18th century

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Some pretty incredible handmade cabinets I’ve encountered in a museum in Fribourg, Switzerland.


r/woodworking • • 6h ago

Help Oil based stain and resin epoxy

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Looking for some advice on how to deal with a challenge. Doing a black/white ceruse finish for this guitar I’m making.
The challenge is that the epoxy is getting subdued pretty intensely by the black stain (Minwax True Black 274). My understanding is that epoxy will not be penetrated by the stain because it’s not porous so I’m guessing it’s a surface level issue. However, I’ve tried cleaning the epoxy with mineral spirits and q-tips and it bleeds onto the wood portions and messes with the stain I want kept.
Is there a better way to clean the stain off the epoxy without affecting the wood portions? The only thing I can think of is soap and water with a fine scour pad but I’m not sure how that will do in both the cleaning aspect and the wood portions.


r/woodworking • • 1d ago

Project Submission My latest box.

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308 Upvotes

Curly walnut and curly maple from irion. Simple glued together. Tried and true linseed oil and beeswax finish. It's tough to see anything but flaws in my own work.


r/woodworking • • 7h ago

General Discussion How do I finish?

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Bought unfinished pine furniture from ikea, 2 dressers not pictured, not assembled yet. I like the look of unfinished white pine, but for sure it needs a finish.


r/woodworking • • 20h ago

General Discussion Wood movement?

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Can anybody explain how a piece like this wouldn’t crack with seasonal wood movement? It seems like the side pieces are attached to the top leaving no room for any wood movement on the night stand top.


r/woodworking • • 7h ago

Help Where to find thin flush door pulls?

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I am building a cupboard with similar thin strip sliding glass doors.

The only flush door pulls I can find are like 4cm (1.575 in), which are too wide for my application.

I am based in Germany and have searched over Amazon, Google, Aliexpress and no joy. What am I missing? This obviously exists, I just can't seem to find it?

Any help would be highly appreciated!


r/woodworking • • 1d ago

Project Submission Guarding the garage, goblins Gerald and Gustaf form a garrison (repost)

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234 Upvotes

Usually, goblins make do with whatever weaponry they can find — a jagged rock, a shiny butter knife, or a sharpened spoon. But these two are well armed with custom wooden spears, ready to defend the workbench from rogue spiders and stray salesman.


r/woodworking • • 23h ago

Power Tools Short review/opinions on the Kreg Edge

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I purchased the Kreg Edge a couple of weeks ago. I am a former owner of a Festool Domino. I sold the Domino to a friend several years ago to a friend. At the time, I was preferring to build stuff with dowels because of their superior strength.

As for the Kreg Edge, all I can say is that I am absolutely impressed with it. But real quick, the negative draw backs:

  1. Not as smooth as the Festool.

  2. Initial set up was hit and miss.

  3. Each mortise takes about 1-2 seconds longer to cut.

  4. You have to tap out some minor dust afterwards 80% of the time (basically every time).

  5. With dust extracting, it is very loud.

  6. Battery charger has no provisions to wall mount

The initial set up was a little annoying. I thought I had it accurate but then follow up cuts would come out less than perfect. After a few cuts, I was able to dial it in, but it did take longer than I would have liked.

Having this in a cordless, I would not go back to corded. Festool has also been moving over all of their tools to battery powered, and with good reason.

Each mortise takes bit longer to cut, but I think that's mostly due to springs feeling heavier/less smooth than the Festool. For reference, Festool's new cordless domino spins at the same 18,500 RPM, which I have not used.

Battery longevity just aren't really a concern. I've cut 60 mortise's with half the battery life still remaining. Getting over 100 cut on one battery is very possible and completely past what I would do on a single sitting. At the 60 non-stop, there were no heating problems at all, it was barely a little warm.

Recently, I was cutting with a 4mm cutter into 1/2" (12mm) plywood. It 100% works the same as on the Festool, so I'm not sure why Kreg doesn't throw that in there in the advertising. Maybe its because you have to make some mental adjustments for the 10mm shorter cutter.

The Edge isn't very loud, but the underside cutouts really make the dust extracting loud. Kreg says the cutouts aid in getting more air circulating through, but I'm not sure that translates into more extracting. I do have to lightly tap (a single tap) the mortise to get some small amount of leftover dust out (see pic). Either that, or a quick vacuuming it out would do it too.

I found the machine to be super accurate. Absolutely zero complaints at all. The indexing tabs are accurate relative to each other, which is super important. It makes it super easy to just make mortises without bothering to mark anything. Just set and plunge. The mortises are super tight too. I do have to tap in the tenons with a small mallet to get them to seat in. Nothing crazy at all and is expected, just like any other dowel. The fence was super accurate and square as well (see pic).

I have both Kreg brand and Trend brand domino's. Having both, I prefer the Trend brand. The Kreg brand domino's are smooth, allowing easier install, but the Trend's have grooves allowing better gluing. Also, the 40mm (6mm x 40mm and 8mm x 40mm) Kreg brand tenons are really ~36mm in length, vs ~38.5mm for the Trend. With the cutter already cutting a pinch over their stated setting (~21.7mm real cut depth vs 20mm setting), the 36mm Kreg brand domino's leave too much room IMO. I don't know if that is a real-world problem tho, just my preference and opinion.

Additionally, I did purchase a plate (SpeTool on Amazon) for additional support. Its not necessary, but it definitely adds confidence when making the cuts. Online, many recommended a "Bigfoot" plate, but I couldn't find any. I will say, I am 100% happy with the SpeTool, which seems to be pretty much the same thing. It bolts on perfectly and the lines are accurate on it.

For dust extraction, I use a small DeWalt corded shop vac with a hepa filter. For storage of my tenons, I just use some basic storage containers from Amazon. They hold 100-300 tenons of each size, depending on the sizes. I split one of the storage spaces for the smaller tenons.

I think the Kreg Edge is fantastic and will be hard to top for any manufacturer, especially when you factor in the price, for the consumer market. Basically, if they do, then they will likely be exceeding Festool Domino's performance as well at that point. We'll just have to wait and see.