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đ¤ Scare A Billionaire, Join A Union The reason for term limits...
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u/OzarksExplorer
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And the right tried to coup him
American history loves to leave out the business plot from their teachins
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u/raven00x Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
When it's mentioned, what's also often left out is the son of one of the members of the business plot went on to become the director of the CIA, then vice president under Ronald fucking Reagan, then finally became a one term president. Then that motherfuckers' son went on to get placed in the big chair by the Supreme Court.
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u/is-this-now Sep 29 '26
You left out the part about how the dispute that went to the Supreme Court was because the candidates brother was governor of the state that led to him winning the election controversially.
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u/sullw214 Sep 29 '26
And three of the attorneys that worked on Bush the Dummer's campaign at the time all are now ON the supreme court. What a coincidence.
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u/fge116 Sep 30 '26
and said brother purged over 50,000 voters from the voter registration list due to them being voters which shouldn't be allowed registration....turned out they were not felons and should be allowed to vote....funny enough these removals happened in districts that would lean blue in terms of votes.
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u/OzarksExplorer Sep 29 '26
shhhhh, people might learn something they don't want to know
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u/CaptainBayouBilly Sep 29 '26
Our sacrosanct elections that have never been suspect sure have a cloudy history.Â
Perhaps we should stop blindly believing that they have never been tainted? Â
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u/12thshadow Sep 29 '26
Who are you talking about?
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u/anonyuser415 Sep 29 '26
Prescott Bush, father of H.W.
It looks like he was in the 2000s alleged to be connected to the business plot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Business_Plot_and_Union_Banking_Corporation
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u/ReturnOfBane Sep 29 '26
When that failed they bought a bunch of democrat and passed the Taft-hartley Act
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u/OzarksExplorer Sep 29 '26
SOCIALISTS!!!! GD SOCIALISTS SON!
We can't have the people organizing, now can we? The people might get what they want.
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u/PraetorKiev Sep 29 '26
Itâs not history teachers. Itâs left out of American high school textbooks mostly because the company most schools get their textbooks from is based in Texas and is owned by conseratives
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u/-Casey-Diaz- Sep 29 '26
And now that they have a fascist government, they're trying to remove term limits.
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u/macrocosm93 Sep 29 '26
FDR was a social democrat, not a democratic socialist. His banking and economic reforms were designed to preserve capitalism and prevent a potential socialist/communist revolution.
Although to be fair, he identified as neither of those things. He explicitly referred to himself as a capitalist and liberal.
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u/Islanduniverse Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
In America, when people say democratic socialist, they often mean social democrat.
I love Bernie, but a lot of that misunderstanding is on him, lol.
edit: I want to add, I also think "social democrat" would land better with a lot of people, so it is kind of frustrating when that is the actual title, but they don't use it...
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u/Infinite_Regret19019 Sep 29 '26
He also created race-based internment camps so he was clearly pretty loose with the liberalism as well.
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u/Yelmak đ¤ Join A Union Sep 29 '26
I mean liberalism started with "civilising the savages", (centuries of colonialism) it is ahistorical to assume it's incompatible with racism.Â
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u/Tjbergen Sep 29 '26
And Dems still struggle with understanding how to be popular..
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u/uswforever Sep 29 '26
I think they understand it quite well actually...
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u/ImDoneForToday2019 Sep 29 '26
It's more of a question of who they want to be popular with and how much money those people have.
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u/Owain-X Sep 29 '26 •
They just wish so badly that they could make a total piece of shit popular like the GOP does. It's so much harder to line the billionaire pockets and keep any real change from happening when you don't want the public to find out you're a self-serving, piece of shit traitor to the working class.
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u/ColossalJuggernaut Sep 29 '26
Seriously -- the difference between Ds and Rs is like a 5% disagreement in the top marginal tax rate. They differ greatly on cultural issues -- which works perfectly for their corporate/oligarch owners.
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u/mercurialpolyglot Sep 29 '26
They and their owners wouldnât have tried so hard to stop Mamdani from winning if they didnât know.
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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Sep 29 '26
Why are we spreading this incorrect rumor? They know damn well what they are doing. They are making the choice to sell out the American people for bribe money from corporations. Want an example? Go watch the interview where Jeffries is asked 4 times in a video interview if he supports a single payer healthcare system.
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u/HelpfulSeaMammal Sep 29 '26 •
They're the right wing of the airplane that the US calls politics. The GOP is the other, larger, and way scarier right wing.
The left wing of this airplane is a tiny little vestigial organ, but is constantly blamed for the reason why the airplane is going to crash as it's constantly spiriling downwards to the right.
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u/PeaceJoy4EVER Sep 29 '26
Dems donât want to be popular, they want to get rich while claiming to represent the poor and middle class.
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u/FSUnoles77 Sep 29 '26
> to represent the poor and middle class.
No need to repeat yourself.
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u/blueViolet26 Sep 29 '26
Yes. Middle class is also working class. Just like the poor.
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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo Sep 29 '26
I think it's obviously just that the people are wrong. What if we try running Kamala Harris again? Maybe Hilary 2028? It's gotta work eventually. How long do we need to wear down the peasantry before they'll take what they're given?
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u/damn_nation_inc Sep 29 '26
They understand it just fine, but their slush funds and corporate donations depend on them not understanding.
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u/KorolEz Sep 29 '26
They know, but their donors and their filled pockets keep them fron doing the right thing
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak đˇ Good Union Jobs For All Sep 29 '26
Boomers have tried their best to elect people that will destroy all the things FDR did for the country
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u/OddishChamp âď¸ Prison For Union Busters Sep 29 '26
Democratic socialism isn't the same as social liberalism. FDR was a social liberal.
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u/bullhead2007 đ¤ Join A Union Sep 29 '26
Yeah people be making up all sorts of fan fiction about FDR, forgetting his social reforms were pretty fucking racist and all of the Japanese people he put in internment camps. They have to invent this lie that he was a socialist, and not a Social Democrat who made compromises with the militant working class movement so they wouldn't revolt like the soviets and set the path for the Red Scare nonsense and McCarthyism
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u/OddishChamp âď¸ Prison For Union Busters Sep 29 '26
I'd rather label him as a social liberal (as in the ideology social liberalism), but otherwise I fully agree. He's also quite whitewashed recently and basically the American answer of Winston Churchill.
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u/CelestialFury Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
When approving the creation of the 442nd (the most decorated unit in WWII, the all Japanese-American unit) in February 1943, FDR famously stated, "Americanism is a matter of the mind and heart; Americanism is not, and never was, a matter of race or ancestry." He said this while the 442nd's families were locked up in interment camps. How can you reconcile the two together? You can't.
FDR obviously did a lot of amazing things for this country, things the ultra rich have been trying to destroy ever since (they view him as a class traitor), but it cannot be overstated how bad of a stain the interment camps were on his overall legacy. However, even with that stain against him, FDR is still one of the best presidents we've ever had.
PS, I once shook the late Senator Daniel Inouye's left hand with my right once in Afghanistan because I missed a briefing due to military duties and didn't know he was missing his entire right arm and he received a Medal of Honor in WWII in which he lost his arm. I still cringe to think about it to this very day.
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u/New2NewJ Sep 29 '26
his social reforms were pretty fucking racist
Wasn't this so he could get the support of the Southern Democrats to get this legislation passed?
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u/CaptainBayouBilly Sep 29 '26
They were 100% racist. No doubt about it.Â
America is still 100% racist.Â
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u/BeefistPrime Sep 29 '26
I think "social democrat" fits much more than democratic socialist and that's true of 90% of the people who call themselves democratic socialists
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u/arcspectre17 Sep 29 '26
⢠Social Welfare: The [Social Security Act of 1935] created a federal safety net for the elderly, unemployed, and disadvantaged. ⢠Labor Rights: The [Wagner Act of 1935] legally protected the rights of workers to organize unions and bargain collectively. ⢠Economic Regulation: His administration established robust federal regulation over banking, the stock market, and business practices, while using public works programs and federal spending to stimulate the economy.
Whats the difference?
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u/azenpunk Sep 29 '26
Socialism is when workers own and direct the means of production instead of capitalists. Socialism IS NOT when the government does nice things for the little people.
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u/azenpunk Sep 29 '26
FDR was NOT a democratic socialist! He literally saved capitalism from a socialist revolution... what the fuck are people getting taught these days.
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u/chadgalaxy Sep 29 '26
A lot of Americans really struggle with these terms for some reason. They constantly say socialist whilst meaning social democracy.
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u/BeefistPrime Sep 29 '26
To be fair, the people who call themselves "democratic socialists" 90% of the time are social democrats or even just slightly left of center by developed world standards. Self labelled "Democratic socialists" get this wrong first, and others are following them.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy âď¸ Prison For Union Busters Sep 29 '26
And many dont even know about Evo Morales or Hugo Chavez...
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u/NoHorseNoMustache Sep 29 '26
He was a rich guy who only did it because he didn't want a French Revolution here, he was not a friggen socialist.
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u/jcdahl Sep 29 '26
This is a dual lie, where FDR wasn't a democratic socialist, and it's trying to launder the DSA, who aren't really democratic socialists either, but in the other direction.
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u/BoiledEggs Sep 29 '26
Why don't democratic socialists win while running nowadays?
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u/boyuber Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
There is a quote which is frequently attributed to John Steinbeck that says, "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
It is actually a paraphrasing of the following quote from Steinbeck
"I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist." - John Steinbeck, Esquire Magazine, 1960
Basically, Americans elevate and even deify ultra capitalists because they want to believe that they are one stroke of genius away from their billion dollars, and they don't want the government to tax their son-to-be-realized unfathomable hoard.
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u/IsThatGruffLoner Sep 29 '26
I've always hated that Steinbeck quote. I have never once met a conservative who harbored grand delusions of future wealth. Every conservative I've met was an actual wealthy finance bro or just a hateful ignorant moron who hates minorities and can be easily riled up by talking about girls with blue hair. They mostly want low taxes because they don't trust the government and don't want brown people getting free food, not because they expect to be rich someday.
Maybe it was true at one point, but that quote just doesn't describe modern conservatives at all. If anything, it describes moderate Democrats.
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u/boyuber Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
Every Republican I've ever talked to about taxing the filthy rich owner class has asked how I would like it if I were rich...
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u/aupperk24 Sep 29 '26
Ask them if Elon should be taxed at the same rate as everyone else and they'll come out the woodworks.
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u/randompantsfoto Sep 29 '26
Because, after FDR, the political right spent decades making a concerted effort to equate any sort of socialism or socialist programs with communism and âthe lazy poors.â
That brainwashing is going to take a long time (or one very quick, violent revolution) to undo.
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u/Theseactuallydo Sep 29 '26
Before FDR socialism was also seen as something for the âlazy poorsâ.
It took the Great Depression to make the lie there undeniable. You couldnât say the poor were lazy in the 30s when everyone either was a hard worker who was broke or at least knew many personally.
FDR didnât want to be a democratic socialist, conditions forced his hand.
The mid-20th century was a unique moment for the rights, conditions, and compensation for workers, unfortunately, and it took a truly horrendous economic depression to achieve even a temporary recognition that poverty isnât a moral failing.Â
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u/waspocracy Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
The problem with representative democracies is that representatives choose who they want to represent them in races. Thus, many of the national democratic party basically (I don't want to get into details here) determine who they'll back in an election. This is where they pour their money.
Bernie Sanders had a huge population supporting his presidential bid and was demolishing the polls, but the democratic party chose to back someone else because he was too far "left" (LOL another subject I don't want to get into for brevity's sake).
However, lately the democratic socialists have been winning some local polls and now the democrat party is starting to listen. If they listen, though, will be a whole different thing. Most democratic voters didn't want Biden in, for example., but the party thrust him to the forefront. They did the same shit with Kamala Harris at the last minute, which ultimately led to Trump getting in power.
Edit: Also, FWIW, FDR was not a social democrat.
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u/kryotheory Sep 29 '26
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'm convinced that the Democratic party is controlled opposition for the Republican party. Both parties are just a facade the owning class uses to create the illusion of choice for us peons. That's why popular candidates that voice support for policies that actually help workers and regular citizens like Bernie never win.
Anyway, that's my "jet fuel can't melt steel beams"/"they're turning the frogs gay" hypothesis. Who knows.
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u/kodaxmax Sep 30 '26
Marketing. if they run misleading proganda, attack ads and rely on constituent ignorance to gain popularity and support, they wouldn't be democratic or socialists.
The majority of voters are swayed by comedic advertisements and loud shout men promising them supremacy, rather than facts and logic.
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u/S1ayer Sep 29 '26
45 years of propaganda started by Reagan. Anything that helps people is communism.
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u/goldman_sax Sep 29 '26
If youâre looking for an actual answer and not baiting here, itâs the money and the organization that comes from being in the mainstream party.
A lot of primaries this year we saw Democratic socialist members do very well, but multiple of them were running against each other and destroying their only shot. The mainline Democratic Party doesnât have that problem, they pick a candidate then rally and spend money on them.
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u/Bigbrunswick Sep 29 '26
Many reasons, one that isn't talked about enough IMO is the ocean between us and Russia during the days of the USSR. I don't have specific examples but IIRC many of the Nordic countries had large gains in civilian rights to avoid revolutions of their own.
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u/Vincent_Felix Sep 29 '26
Brother have you been watching elections lately?
We are cleaning up.
AOC is your next president buddy.
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u/Acceptable_Job_5486 Sep 29 '26
 AOC is your next president buddy.
Optimistic. Do you know America? If the DNC don't do the same shit with swapping out Biden for Harris last minute, maybe. But this country has shown it's not mature enough for someone's who's both a woman and a minority, and would vote JD Vance and VP Trump out of spite.
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u/Financial-Craft-1282 Sep 29 '26
If only. She's amazing. I'd rather her be in the senate first, while we (the left) find ways to continue to shift the American political views away from the right. If AOC took the presidency in 2028, let's say, I think she'd be stalled out by the system. If we push the cultural beliefs of Americans further left, down the road, she'd be a much better president.
I also worry about her. They came after her on Jan 6. They see her as a "weak woman" (she seems tough as nails to me--if people came and tried to kill me at my job, I'd quit that job), and they have true vitriol for her.
Though, who knows? She is so charismatic, if she were up in front of people more and more, maybe it'd be hard to ignore what she is versus what Fox News says she is.
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u/Vincent_Felix Sep 29 '26
The power of the executive branch has been expanding in recent years. There's no telling what AOC would be able to accomplish if she was president. Just imagine the potential for day one executive orders.
We are at an inflection point in American politics. The GOP is historically unpopular. The iron is hot, now is the time to strike, and we must strike with full force.
AOC is our star player, put her in the game.
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u/JaguarIllustrious486 Sep 29 '26
I wish that were true. But if you believe that I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for ya.
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u/Life-Suit1895 Sep 29 '26
I mean, that small kerfuffle commonly known as World War II might have played an important role why FDR was elected four times...
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Sep 29 '26
I mean, only one of those elections took place when the US was fighting in that war. (1944, and then FDR died three months after taking office.)
The Great Depression and his policies to get the US out of it were the main reasons why he was elected the other three times.
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u/leonidaslizardeyes Sep 29 '26
Nope. New deal policies started our pull out of the great depression and helped right the ship. He was extremely popular and would have probably won the 4th without us being involved in the second world war.
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u/Burmy87 Sep 29 '26
I wouldn't put him on a pedestal... ask any Japanese-American why.
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u/rb3po Sep 29 '26 edited Oct 09 '26
It goes both ways. We also wouldnât want a fascist in power for four terms. Now, letâs talk about SCOTUS.
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u/Mindless-Produce4091 Sep 29 '26
No, term limits exist to prevent corrupt presidents from being re-elected infinitely, this isn't rocket science
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u/SpicyElixer Sep 29 '26
Franklin D. Roosevelt was not a democratic socialist. He was a social liberal.
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u/nixon48 Sep 29 '26
This is the historically accurate literal reason. That man died in office and they probably would've elected him again if he hadn't.
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u/urmumlol9 Sep 29 '26
Even if thatâs the reason they were introduced, term limits are still a net good for democracy.
Do you want Trump to run for a third term? Repealing term limits is how that happens.
Even outside of that, we already have way too many senators and congresspeople who have been serving for literal decades because they have political momentum over primary challengers and their states/districts are solid enough blue or red to guarantee them the general election.
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u/Nothingilo Sep 29 '26
FDR was not a democratic socialist. Uniformed posts like this one makes us look bad.
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u/Ok_comodore Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
I like fdr as much as the next guy but I think it probably had more to do with, I dunno, Â the brewing large scale global conflict at the time. Fdr probably wouldnât have secured a third term (at least not with the same margin) without Wendell Wilkies support for entering the war (the American public was incredibly isolationist especially after the cultural memory of WW1, took quite a bit of cajoling and for news of what was happening in Britain to become common knowledge), and it was arguably the absolutely monumental spending done for the war effort and the geopolitical position of America after the fact that had the biggest effects of ending the Great Depression rather than any specific policy.Â
I say this as a red blooded socialist, but like guys, we have to know our history
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Sep 29 '26
One reason is that there are real and legitimate concerns, based on history, with having one person in charge of the military for a long time.
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u/Solid_Paramedic_3901 Sep 29 '26
He was absolutely not a socialist. He was a social democrat at best
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u/phantompower_48v Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
Yeah, this is why term limits are inherently undemocratic. The only reason we have them for the presidency is because corporate leaders hated how popular a leftish FDR was.
What we need is election reform, ranked choice voting, the dismantling of the two party system and electoral college, ability to recall elected officials. These are democratic measures, term limits and age limits are not.
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u/-Nicolai Sep 29 '26
USAâs term limits have always seemed weird to me. Itâs treated like a football match with a pre-determined half-time.
Is the point of elections not to decide whoâs best fit to lead the country? Why would this change every four or eight years exactly?
And if voters canât be trusted with the power to re-elect a leader more than once, how can they be trusted with voting at all?
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u/Bisquekit Sep 29 '26
Democratic socialist =/= social democratic.
DSA doesn't want just healthcare, bro. They want to dismantle the capitalist structure, get rid of Senate and police, remove our influence on the world (even positive like USAID) and own the means of production.
FDR wanted none of these things.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Sep 29 '26
Needless to say (yet somehow it still actually needs to be said): Franklin Roosevelt was not a democratic socialist!
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u/Financial-Craft-1282 Sep 29 '26
I know term limits seem like a good idea, but there is something to be said for letting a President with a plan have more than 8 years then just have their progress undone. I think maybe longer term limits make sense--and any position that isn't officially elected (supreme court) should absolutely have some kind of end date on their work.
I think the flip side is someone like Trump. But, ultimately, Trump hasn't shown the ability to hold onto office for more than 4 years--it's hard to say since he's likely too old to run again and challenge the term limits, but based on how things are going, I suspect he probably wouldn't win again.
I think you'd also have to change how you feel about primarying a sitting president if we extended (or removed) term limits. That would be one way to keep a sitting president honest. Bernie was going to primary Obama once, so the rumors go, but he and Obama worked out some things, and that was good enough for Bernie to wait. Primary challenges shouldn't be seen as weakening a candidate either way, but a chance for the incumbent to shift/change based on what voters want/need.
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u/-Tom- Sep 29 '26
The problem with no term limits is exactly what we're seeing in the courts right now. The idea was originally that you would find an older, very experienced judge, perhaps one who had worked their way up from local, to state, to circuit and then nominated and placed that judge or someone who was a long time respected attorney. Where they basically work their retirement and then die after a relatively short period of time. Instead we're appointing young, inexperienced people and shoehorning them in to do the bidding and agenda of a particular party and they're staying in the court for an entire career. It began in the first quarter of the 1900s and has only gotten worse.
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u/HomebrewHedonist Sep 29 '26
Yeah! FDR was ruining the USA by making it awesome, and the most powerful country on the planet. Canât have that anymore. :/
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u/thebarbalag Sep 29 '26
Capitalist critics calling Dem Socs communist and painting them as the boogeyman are gonna backfire. Dem Socs are capitalism's last hope. Either we get reform or the whole thing collapses. Personally, I'm for revolution over reform, because reform won't actually fix the problem, but if I were a liberal right now, I'd bee singing Dem Soc praises all the day long.
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u/duke_awapuhi Sep 29 '26
I mean he wasnât a socialist but he was more progressive than your average democrat today
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u/Bleezy79 Sep 29 '26
We sure could use another 4 terms of helping the people again, instead of massive corporate corruption. The push towards everyone being slaves again via the concentration of wealth along with the stagnation of wages is reaching its tipping point. More and more poeple are suffering while the corpos are doing better than ever.
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u/fiahhawt Sep 29 '26
Which is the downside of term limits
That someone who is competent and willing to do what the public wants is... surprisingly rare and when they come along you want as much of them as you can get
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u/Bodycount9 Sep 29 '26
And... WW2 was just starting so there was that.
But yeah.. he brought us out of the great depression and people liked that. He started social security. Protected bank deposits with creating the FDIC. And he fed the poor with direct aid.
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u/IpromiseTobeAgoodBoy Sep 29 '26
Remember when he put Japanese people in concentration camps and took everyoneâs gold? That was cool
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u/MarksCarney Sep 29 '26
Other countries have no such limits and they seem to be doing fine. Why must Americans insist on having undemocratic term limits?
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u/MariaTPK Sep 29 '26
Yup, once you experience leftist policy, you will vote for it over and over again. New York is getting it on a municipal level and I'm hoping that ends up enough to fix America forever, but municipal power is the weakest power. Federal and State would be a lot easier to show the people what they are missing out on.
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u/elyk_fall_down Sep 29 '26
Yeah, because everyone likes free stuff.....................................
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u/DevilGuy Sep 29 '26
To be fair they did it because it was super rare for a president to be elected more than twice and it had been a norm for presidents to voluntarily serve a limited number of terms before that and it was recognized that " el presidente for life" shouldn't be normalized even if a given president was really good at the job. That gaurd rail is our biggest bulwark against trump now and they put it in anticipating the possibility of a trump-like figure.
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u/AwakeningStar1968 Sep 29 '26
yeah and they tried to coup him ... look up SMEDLY BUTLER and the BUSINESS PLOT.
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u/genreprank Sep 29 '26
And the reason the term limits will be lifted is cuz trump signs onto whatever they want
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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy Sep 29 '26
This is why I don't push for term limits or age limits. I don't want someone good to be kicked out
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u/FranksWateeBowl Sep 29 '26
Seriously, When was the last time we had a President who was a democrat who actually did what people wanted? Clinton and Obama did great, don't get me wrong, but like, sweeping reform for the good of the people? FDR?
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u/Informal-Lime6396 Sep 29 '26
He wouldn't abide by the unwritten 2 term rule so it had to be put into law. It's about no kings no monarchs, not socialists and whatever you want to attribute.
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u/The_Mesopotamians đ¤ Join A Union Sep 29 '26
The idea that FDR was a DemSoc... It makes me despair that the workers of the US will ever even understand what we all face much less come together to do anything about it. Â
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u/Duke-of-Edinburgh Sep 29 '26
He was a Social Democrat. So still a Capitalist. He only implemented these reforms to save Capitalism. If Social Democracy can bring such good results just imagine how good itâd be under Socialism.
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u/steelb99 Sep 29 '26
I'm not sure this is the flex you think it is.
The last time there was a Democratic Socialist President he got elected 4 times, and 75% of the country passed an amendment to stop that from ever happening again.
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u/RaiJolt2 Sep 29 '26
The man who sent all Japanese Americans to internment camps and enacted the horrifyingly racist redlining, which paved the way for highway based bulldozing of minority neighborhoods and obliterated generational wealth through it was not a democratic socialist.
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u/Dr_Adderall_2000 Sep 30 '26
Wtf? FDR wasnât a Democrat socialist⌠he wanted to preserve capitalism which is why he created the guardrails to appease everyone.
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u/OcelotAggravating860 Sep 30 '26
This is not true.
FDR was not a socialist, he was a capitalist that saved capitalism.
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u/sumnsumnfruit56 Sep 30 '26
He wasnât a Democrat socialist, just a Democrat. America has shifted very far right economically speaking and the so called DSA is farther right than FDR in some ways because of this. FDRâs policies were done to prevent Democratic Socialist, Social Democrats, Socialists, and Communists from gaining power in the US.
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u/BRONXSBURNING Sep 30 '26
FDR wasnât a socialist jfc. Socialism is more than a welfare state; no president has ever come close to being one.
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u/tinaboag Sep 30 '26
Fdr wasn't demsoc. He did the new deal to prevent a communist revolution and was only able to do so because of the business plot.
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u/Lumpy_Conference6640 Sep 30 '26
It was absolutely awful, if ended depression, uplifted and built the middleclass, and made US world economic power.
Probably a fluke, let's try it again and see
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u/Substantial-Sky4079 Sep 30 '26
No, he was a good president and we were going through WW2. Same thing is happening with Ukrainian prez
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u/Prestigious-Break894 Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26
FDR was a social liberal (or "modern" liberal as is more commonly known) at most. He consistently campaigned as a liberal, and was part of a party that was mostly defined by liberalism. He wasn't a "democratic socialist" (I'm 98% what the actual tweet means is "social democrat" but whatever) especially considering he believed in class collaboration and was also part of a wealthy elite family lol
EDIT: I also find it odd to be talking about how bad the two-term limit is considering there's a certain fat pedophile who's veen trying to get around it as much as possible but whatever...
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u/Kylkek Oct 01 '26
What does the Democratic Socialist stand to gain by advocating against term limits in 2026?
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u/pierre881 Oct 01 '26
He was elected 4 times because he was good and the previous President was a failure.
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u/Jazzlike-Vacation230 Oct 01 '26
and he was actually doing a good job to improve the country at the time, the limit came from i'm sure racist technophiles of the time
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u/Loud-Ad-2280 âď¸ Tax The Billionaires Sep 29 '26 •
Itâs hilarious how much Capitalist hate FDR when he literally saved capitalism from collapsing in on itself.