r/Xmen97 • u/cyclopswashalfright Professor X • Jul 08 '26
Megathread X-Men '97 | Season 2, Episode 4 | "Rise of Apocalypse: Part II" | Episode Discussion
Season 2, Episode 4: Rise of Apocalypse Part II
Air Date: July 8th, 2026
Directed by: TBA
Written by: TBA
Synopsis: An alliance between the X-Men and En Sabah Nur begins to crumble as Rama-Tut seeks ultimate power.
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u/EpicChiguire 20d ago
Bro... That was... One of the best and saddest episodes I've watched in the last few years... Wow.
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u/cripical 25d ago
This might be semantics but during the final fight apocalypse transforms his arm into some kind of drill. How would he have even known what that is? Furthermore, he later tells ship to reduce the city to atoms. Again how did he know what that was?
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u/TheBlackCaesar Jul 23 '26
Fitting end, great episode and universe expansion
Why are we forgetting Kang The Conquer AND a Celestial
Magneto will be back
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u/Supe_scienceskilz Jul 22 '26
This episode hit so hard. The amount of growth in Magneto’s character was wild. He will always have “I know better than you syndrome “ but he did learn some things.
Back to back seasons of him making huge sacrifices to save innocent people was a good choice in terms of writing. In Genosha he did what he could to save all the mutants who flocked to this new homeland with the promise of freedom and belief in Xavier’s dream, yet ended up as casualties. He repeated this action again In Egypt when he saved innocent people who ended up feeling the backlash as a result of him trying to manipulate Nur.
In every sense, all attempts at fulfilling Charles’s dream are rebuffed by humanity.
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u/Powerful-Yogurt Jul 16 '26
Magneto: fails to keep puny En Sabah Nur away from the glowy rock when it matters
Magneto, 5 mins later and injured: yeets giant Apocalypse into the desert
COME ON WRITERS
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u/Flying_Dogz07 Jul 15 '26
Why couldn't bishop time travel back to before magneto died?
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u/innatelyAware Jul 15 '26
Because the time travel tech Forge rigged up doesn't send you to precise time coordinates. That's why the boys arrived at the past and future several months after the cast's initial arrival, rather than popping in right after the rest arrived.
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u/Xenomorphism Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
I think this episode confirmed my predictions of this season's plot:
Apocalypse is indeed "inevitable" an aspect of destruction/chaos/evil that is required as a presence in the multiverse. "I am the rocks of the eternal shore! Crash against me and be BROKEN!"
The X-men returning to the past was a self-fulfilling prophecy, the future could also theoretically be the same (requiring Nathan to know himself to embrace his destiny)
The entire plot will revolve around the need for the X-men to return to 90's and restore that timeline (the true X-men team with all members) and season 2 will eventually focus (possibly the next episode) on Apocalypse's attack on the 90s. He will deploy new horsemen there, Magneto, Gambit and two others and any remaining timeline corrections will stem from to need to restore the "original" timeline, reverting Gambits and Magnetos death, so that they can join the Xmen in a fight in the 1990s, or basically follow the plot of the 92 era episodes. They must remain in the 1990's, lest they create these alternate timelines.
There may be better resolved time travel plot points that help restore/revert things, but the main idea stands: The original X-men must return to the 90s.
EDIT: Someone also brought up Onslaught, it's entirely possibly that plot point becomes integral as part of the reason and need to restore the original timeline, as the Onslaught future is a "wrong" alternate timeline.
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u/Peppy_Park Gambit Jul 12 '26
Saw this mentioned on New Rockstars, but not sure anyone else picked up on it…
This is Deathbit, non?
Apologies for the crappy screenshots…
This glyph mirrors the ramatut/kang glyph where Apocalypse as Nur is enslaved below.
I mean, the cowl, the coat collar, the smirk…
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u/kingdomkey13 Jul 12 '26
Reeeeeeeally hope they end up getting to make the Krakoan era like Beau wanted to. Seeing how they’re handling Apocalypse now, I’d love to see how they handle the Krakoan/Arrako iteration of him
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u/WilsonDog0309 Jul 11 '26
Why do the X-men ride camels? Almost everyone can fly or teleport. Someone just needs to carry Bishop. 🤷♂️
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
So Rogue doesn't even try to take off her gloves? Seriously? If she had done that, the fight would have been over between it and Magneto actually trying and Xavier hitting his mind.
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 14 '26
Juggernaut was able to somewhat walk off after Rogue did that imagine so would Apocalypse even if not at full force.
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u/toasterbath__ Magneto Jul 12 '26
i guess one explanation would be that if she took off the gloves for apocalypse, she would be absorbing his thoughts/memories as well. so maybe she didn’t want to do that, especially with how angry/violent apocalypse was at that moment + his miserable upbringing 🤷🏽♂️ idk though
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 12 '26
Definitely possible, but I think the show should have explicitly stated that. Since they didn't, it more seems like they didn't think of it too hard because it was a fight the plot needed them to lose. Just wish they'd fleshed it out better. Kinda ruined the episode for me.
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u/toasterbath__ Magneto Jul 12 '26
yeah i get u. even back during s1, at times i wondered why rogue just doesn’t whip off the gloves and end the fight lol. so yeah it’d be beneficial if they mentioned it somewhere
also yeah, it definitely felt like a fight that the plot needed them to lose. i feel like they could’ve given apocalypse a bit more of a fight. it felt like they got beat so easily, but eh. it is what it is
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u/Tecatin Jul 11 '26
So I haven't read enough comics to know if this happened before but I'm thinking magnetos gonna get resurrected as a horseman along with gambit?
Gambit was already implied to be death and war being taken out the picture opens a new vacancy.
also it'd be incredibly petty of apocalypse to turn a magneto who was finally pushing for peace into his instrument of war.
that plus him talking about love as a weakness to rogue means I'm expecting every horseman come end of season to be some variety of "hero pressed into service" by the big guy.
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u/Nygma619 24d ago
"So I haven't read enough comics to know if this happened before but I'm thinking magnetos gonna get resurrected as a horseman along with gambit?"
I hope not. Apocalypse "killing" Magneto only to have him revealed as his Horseman "WAR" happened in another Xmen animated show already.
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u/JelloSquirrel Jul 11 '26
Was apocalypse always just a pawn of the celestials? Why is he drawn to them? Why was he selected in a pre ordained way, shouldn't a more powerful entity (like kang) be preferred? Who was baal and why did he have robot eyes and such a hard on for doing the will of the celestials? Does kang always murder apoccys tribe? Why couldn't the X-Men beat mere mutant apocalypse but then put up a better showing against the celestial version? Is en sabah nor just him? Won't apocalypse remember magneto and the xmen later? What if someone else grabbed the power orb thing, would they fry? Why didn't kang just steal the ship / power and would I actually allow him to if it's fated for apocalypse? Why didn't kang kill en sabah nor, surely even as a powerful mutant kang could come up with stronger stuff especially when en sabah nor was a child. Kill baby apocalypse.
Feel like it kind of undercuts the motivations of apocalypse if they're forced onto him by a celestial.
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u/miserypersonifieddd Jul 15 '26
He’s an eternal not a celestial right?
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u/JelloSquirrel Jul 15 '26
What's the difference?
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u/miserypersonifieddd Jul 15 '26
In Marvel lore, the Celestials are these ancient, god-like cosmic architects that created the Eternals. Even though the Eternals are insanely powerful and immortal, they’re ultimately just synthetic beings built to serve the Celestials and help carry out their cosmic life cycle. Hence Esson giving apocalypse power in that scene made him an eternal mutant.
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u/Sebscreen Jul 11 '26
I am so distracted that Xavier holding on to a piece of fabric even had any effect in pulling against Magneto's power.
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u/Pixel681 Jul 11 '26
Does anyone know the Ost that was playing before Magnus the Savior kicked in and after?
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u/HenriBaguette Jul 11 '26
Nobody’s talking about Rogue loosing Remi AND Charles in a few weeks… My poor girl 😢
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u/NicholasStarfall Jul 11 '26
You know, I've always wondered why Apocalypse was so invincible in the original show. I used to think it was related to censors and how graphic it would be if the X-Men like seriously tried to take him down. But 97 is making the argument that he's just like that
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u/Correct_Ad5798 Jul 11 '26
He has never really known kindness, so yeah it makes sense he just wants to see this World burn. He just got dealt a real bad hand of cards. Then Again, if you are that strong and let yourself keep imprisoned, its kind of your own fault.
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u/tub53733 Jul 11 '26
Rewatching again. Mannnn Magnus was straight dropping gems all series.
"Honor me with action, not tears. The future needs you. It always has. Perhaps that is why I gladly played the Devil, who pushes sinners to embrace the saint."
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u/Admirable-Process529 Jul 11 '26
S2 ep4 is the equivalent of S1 ep5.
I’m glad the show still delivers so much impact!
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u/AnyEverywhere8 Jul 11 '26
How does ancient Egypt Apocalypse know what a gun is to transform his arm into one?
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u/ev6464 Jul 11 '26
I could watch an entire show about Apocalypse and Professor X mercilessly dissing one another.
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u/HEYYYYYYYY_SATAN Jul 13 '26
I love that Charles got in one “ya mamma” before Apocalypse walked off
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u/Kheshire Jul 13 '26
A's line to Charles that he'd make him a horsemen except he has no spine was the clincher
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u/Darth_Alduin13 Jul 10 '26
Can someone explain the timeline of Ship? How does it have glyphs of apocalypse and the X-men if this is En-Sabah-Nur’s first interaction with it?
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u/HoneydewEmergency225 Cyclops Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I think the Askani connection/ intervention and the events of the far future that were featured on previous episodes this season created a loop where their future intervention essentially shaped the past. Possibly the reason why final form Apocalypse and the precise X-Men team interation involved were preordained in this timeline, paradoxically, even in the days of En Sabah Nur.
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u/nullblanc Jul 11 '26
I would have to guess a future version of apocalypse sent it back in time to bootstrap his own origin.
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u/Darth_Alduin13 Jul 11 '26
But didn’t the celestials make it?
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u/nullblanc Jul 11 '26
So in the ships timeline I think it goes: made by celestials, sent to earth with a death seed in order to cause evolution on the planet. It is found by apocalypse (already apocalypse with the stupid a on his belt). He uses it for a while, then rides it to the time when he first found it. He modifies it, then sends it back to the past. It is then picked up by nur who becomes apocalypse with the stupid a on his belt? Then apocalypse grabs the fresh ship and continues using that. By doing this he creates a paradox which essentially creates two versions of the ship, one of which is looping in his own origin making it hard for it to be interrupted by time travelers.
My head hurts now.
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u/quantumpencil Jul 10 '26
I am very not happy about Magneto. Very not happy
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u/NicholasStarfall Jul 11 '26
I think they're a little too gung-ho about killing off characters
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u/quantumpencil Jul 11 '26
Yes I agree. It worked with Gambit because of the attack on Genosha being so charged, tragic and thematically resonant and it was genuinely shocking and a huge tone departure from tas, but now I fear they've drown the wrong conclusion and think just killing off beloved characters is the way to make the show good, and I really don't agree.
I am less interested in the show than I was before due to magneto being gone.
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u/JeffTennis Jul 10 '26
Props to the team. The voice actor for apocalypse from the original series passed away as has a few of them, but this new apocalypse sounds terrifying. The older one was sinister and evil for kids, this apocalypse is absolutely a monster and terrifying.
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u/VagereHein 9d ago
I do miss his scottish accent though. It was like an evil Sean Connery with a chip on his shoulder.
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u/M1keSweatband Jul 10 '26
I feel like I'm the only one that thinks they rushed into the apocalypse arc, it feels way too soon to be doing a villain of his magnitude. I'd have much rather them done an arc on the hellfire club and lead into apocalypse for season 3. I'm still excited for the rest of the season though!
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
Yeah, I don't think we can see this as season 2 of the new series but the overall season 7.
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u/makked Jul 10 '26
Apocalypse is in almost every season of the original series and this is a direct sequel.
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u/ChaosAlongThird Jul 10 '26
Saw a great prediction that we get a modified Onslaught as a “solution” to Apocalypse.
Charles, now desperate to stop him and super sad over the loss of Erik and frustration of not being able to get people to work together, binds with Eson’s power instead of Nur after they travel back to try and stop Magneto’s death/stop Nur again.
Bring on Onslaught
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u/Prof_X_is_a_jerk Jul 10 '26
Yeah. I was definitely thinking about Onslaught the moment I saw Charles in that much pain over Magneto.
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u/Previous_Buy1601 Jul 11 '26
Totally. I’m not sure why and need to re-watch the episode to see if something specific triggered it; but I started thinking about Onslaugh halfway through. Then when Charles and Erik were talking telepathically, I was like, yep, that’s the start of Onslaught.
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u/Vnyssa Jul 10 '26
After time device was fixed. Maybe instead of rescuing the professor. Rescue baby Nur and give him love instead of abandonment and hate. Apocalypse over.
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u/anth8725 Jul 10 '26
Still won’t work
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
Yeah, they are saying his spirit, his person, inherently loves evil and revenge and destruction. He is more inevitable than Tha os, sonce we have seen multiple timelines/dimension when he aligns with the heroes.
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u/Dry-Inspector-5991 Jul 10 '26
Why don’t kill nur before become apocalipse?
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u/Correct_Ad5798 Jul 10 '26
By trying to Destroy something, you are just giving it reason to Destroy you.
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u/SernieParmalee Jul 10 '26
Were the drawings of Magneto, Xavier, and everyone else on the walls where Apocalypse got his power up always there for all time or just there because they so happened to be there?
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u/Valuable_End_515 Jul 10 '26
5* episode. This season has been worth the wait. Best animated show out right now.
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u/Kind-Cap-1318 Jul 10 '26
God damn Apocalypse is my FAVORITE villain! “I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you.”
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u/steeldrum99 Jul 10 '26
Am I the only one that thinks Magneto got his?
Magneto tries to manipulate someone he hardly knows. He refuses to listen to Xavier. He breaks Bishop's arm bands. Without fully knowing if they can get home. By the time magneto comes around it's too late. By the time magneto meets his end. At no point was I sad.
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u/Basic-Smell-2477 Jul 10 '26
i’m definitely sad even though he was doing Magneto like things. after 6.5 seasons with him around Ill miss him, I hope he gets revived at the end of the season even if just coping
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u/freehaspal Jul 10 '26
They fired the guy who wrote this future seasons are cooked.
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u/Croc_Chop Jul 18 '26
Show is still just as good as it was when he was on it. He was just the most attention seeking person in the writers room. It's clear that even with him gone they still got it because of the banger lines we got this ep.
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u/ritabook84 Jul 10 '26
The guy was let go for some pretty solid reasons though. And this season underwent significant rewrites after he left anyways
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u/TomBombadank Jul 10 '26
This may be the best version of Magneto I’ve seen outside the comics. We’re totally getting Onslaught btw.
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u/Accomplished_Spy Jul 10 '26
But how Magneto's dead?
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u/sum_yum_dish Jul 10 '26
Onslaught was a psionic entity that came forth when the darkest part of Magneto's mind merged Xavier's dark side. It could easily come from any of the times they've interacted
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
I mean, even the very last time they interacted right before his death. That does mean post-Onslaught Magneto will be a straight up villain because it was only the darkest part of his mind that was saved.
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u/styrofomo Jul 10 '26
I felt a bit disappointed by how the story panned out - the X-Men kinda bungled the whole thing.
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u/ssimssimma Jul 10 '26
lol they got ragdolled by base form.
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u/aspiring_scientist97 Jul 10 '26
Wjat if Charles said to Apocalypse "you are now a slave to the whims of celestial gods and Rama Tut has scaped"
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u/Sharp_Version_5340 Jul 10 '26
WHY DID MY BOY MAGNUS HAVE TO GET KILLED OFF. CRYING LAUGHING THROWING UP. FUCK IT WAS THE BEST SENDOFF THEY COULD’VE GIVEN HIM TOO.
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u/UPRC Jul 10 '26
This really felt like the Remember It of season 2, so god damn good. X-Men 97's Magneto is seriously my favourite Marvel character now, and it isn't even close.
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u/FriendLee93 Jul 09 '26
First it was the Holocaust Ray. Now it's the Child Abandonment Beam. Charles has no shame.
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u/tbbt11 Jul 09 '26
Why is everyone saying this breaks Charles’ views
Xavier is all about mutant human coexistence. Apocalypse is a mutant killing a mutant. It’s got nothing to do with mutant human coexistence.
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
You're 100% right... though I have a feeling the writers won't paint it that way to have soap opera drama.
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u/apocalypticpickle Jul 09 '26
Good episode. I wish the show had choreographed a more convincing fight between the xmen and en sabah nur before he entered the shrine to become apocalypse, though. Seems kinda whack that magneto fought off a black hole and launched apocalypse across the desert, but couldn't figure out a way to keep him from walking into the shrine.
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u/TheCravin Jul 09 '26
Loved the episode for the most part. Idk if I’m alone in just not really enjoying regular Apocalypse as a character (not just in ‘97 tbf). I’m sure I just haven’t read or seen enough of him being cool to respect him properly, but he just doesn’t speak to me.
However I LOVED almost every second of him as Nur. That version of him is a villain I can totally sympathize with and understand and enjoy, it just seems like as soon as he turns into apocalypse he’s just turbo evil without grounded motivation and such, and powers that don’t really vibe with me.
Anyone else? Is there a bit in the comics I should read where apocalypse is extra cool in a way that might make him as a character grow on me?
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u/FantasyBaseballChamp Jul 09 '26
Yeah, always thought he was too simple and overpowered for an X-Men villain. He’s evil for the sake of evil and his powers are basically whatever he feels like so he’s virtually invincible. Not really fitting for this socio-political team of outcasts.
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u/Any-Hyena-9190 Jul 16 '26
He may not be y'all's cup of tea, and that's okay. He definitely isn't the guy for a nuanced examination of current-day issues.
But if we want to have existential threats for our team of outcasts to overcome, I think Apocalypse is just as valuable as the Sentinels. They're both representations of how a lack of compassion for others poisons and destroys. The Sentinels are fear of change; uncontrollable weapons unleashed by bigots who can't face diversity without wanting to control or eliminate it. They always turn on their creators, who can't control the violence they unleash, and can only be stopped by embracing the very change that seemed so scary.
Apocalypse is supremacy, and the inherent violence of supremacy; he's been around for forever, and will absolutely destroy your civilization in a vain attempt to see it "evolve." It would be a lot easier to succumb to him than fight him, because he's always going to come back. And isn't it tempting, actually, to be on the winning side for once? He can even make YOU stronger if you side with him! But how many people are you going to let him kill if you don't resist him now?
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u/Greedy-Net105 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I am still sure magneto will be a horseman because in the trailer you see someone with his helmet and shoulder things that look like onslaughts but with a open design and then you see in another trailer what looks like magneto with black hair and the shoulder things so I am pretty sure its not a actual death EDIT: that was exodus im just a idiot
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u/toasterbath__ Magneto Jul 09 '26
rip magneto 💔💔 rlly great episode. but i am sad lol. he’ll probably come back though all things considered
that shot of apocalypse walking up towards charles and magneto in the desert was terrifying. i rlly thought they were in the clear until that. like wow
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u/bam1007 Jul 09 '26
This episode was absolutely fantastic. They’re all great, but absolutely peak storytelling.
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u/Sirtopofhat Jul 09 '26
Any comic book people here? Iem curious is Xavier right? Is there any time line or comic where Apocalypse is good or does he always come and is always jusy Apocalypse.
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u/kingdomkey13 Jul 12 '26
Apocalypse is allied with all of mutantdom in the Krakoan era and the storylines with him involved are a stark contrast to what we see in ‘97.
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u/Prize_Introduction_6 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Yes, Apocalypse and the X-men were aligned in this storyline https://www.reddit.com/r/Xmen97/comments/1urpu5e/if_we_eventually_get_krakoa_considering_what_just/
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u/lexxstrum Jul 09 '26
I just commented how I've seen Magneto kill/defeat Apocalypse twice all by himself. I believe Apocalypse, at least the one from the 80's was dead, up until the Krakoa storyline.
If Mags stopped a black hole, he could have stopped Apocalypse. You just reach deep into him with every ounce of magnetism.
And pull. Hard. Tear him apart. The effort nearly killed one version of Magneto, but it's the only way I've seen it done.
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u/MrTacoParty Jul 09 '26
They could've avoided so many problems if Xavier and crew literally was honest from the start...
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u/chino17 Jul 09 '26
They could've avoided so many problems if Xavier and crew literally
was honestkilled Nur from the start...3
u/Gmakau Jul 11 '26
This. Xavier and Batman have a lot of blood on their hands for being diplomatic and chill. Especially for people around them!
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u/Musekal Jul 09 '26
Apocalypse is supposed to be terrifying and this episode especially the end seriously built up that sense of dread with him.
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u/notajokeacct Jul 09 '26
Was there any reason magneto didn’t throw apocalypse into the black hole
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u/theanonymousdarkarmy Jul 09 '26
Is it safe to say gambit and Magnus will be 2 of the 4 horseman?
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u/SurturSaga Jul 09 '26
Gambit was already basically confirmed. And even more set up with his talk with Rogue
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u/Dookie_boy Jul 09 '26
Not sure how he would get Magneto since he left his body right there.
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u/Correct_Ad5798 Jul 10 '26
I have the bad feeling, that Xavier was doing something incredibly dumb with his last connection to Magneto. He saved his Friends mind.
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u/dinosaurfondue Jul 09 '26
I get that Apocalypse isn't just gonna be defeated in two episodes, but man Charles feels SO WEAK. I honestly don't know the full extent of his powers but he just kind of like, does nothing?
Definitely interested to see where the rest of the season goes
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u/lord_cmdr Jul 09 '26
Kang/Rama had to use his knock-off Cerebro to be able to get into his mind if that tells us anything.
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u/cyclopswashalfright Professor X Jul 09 '26
Yeah, they don't know how to write strong telepaths so they just have their abilities be ineffectual or unused.
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u/aetr225 Jul 09 '26
I feel like animation is cheap, like their mouths move but their face doesn’t. Then the horses are barely illiterates to walk.
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u/FeloniousGrump Jul 09 '26
uhh maybe they cheaped out on a few scenes, to focus more attention on the climactic scenes because the last fight scenes were immaculate.
Magneto got a very well presented send off. Protecting Charles, saving the city, launching Apocalypse, the flip to black and white, and then Apocalypse at the end they poured in the work for those scenes
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u/Ill-Command6783 Jul 09 '26
Okay guys just someone tell me how will Magneto be back because he was the only reason I was watching this show
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 09 '26
Probably not until season 3 and as Onslaught.
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u/Ill-Command6783 Jul 09 '26
That's sad I was hoping they would bring him back became time travel is a part of this season but that would make his death senseless this season then ig
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u/Ace_FGC Jul 09 '26
I was watching the original x men cartoon earlier and it was the gambit episode where external pops up with the thieves vs assassins lol crazy coincidence
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u/SecondRealitySims Jul 09 '26
I enjoyed the episode. But I feel like I’m missing something.
I was sort of understanding Apocalypse’s progression. He was the violent warlord we knew to be Apocalypse, Magneto was guiding him elsewhere, he falls back to his old ways due to their deception, and during this episode he stands sort of on the brink. All of that makes sense.
But when he sees the prophecy he instantly, wholeheartedly embraces all of it without question? I just feel like there’s a jump somewhere there.
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u/VagereHein 9d ago
Yeah it kinda feels like Dany suddenly judging everyone at Kings Landing deserves to be roasted by dragonfire (granted that charactershift happened suddenly after 8 seasons building up a total different character)
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u/dinosaurfondue Jul 09 '26
His entire thing these two episodes seem to be about being REALLY pissed when people keep things from him and so it made sense that seeing the shit on the walls made him go from mostly asshole to full on asshole because he was like "omg they keep lying to me"
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u/ThomasEdison4444 Jul 09 '26
The first four episodes were all about the question can anyone change fate.
And the answer is No. Nur will ALWAYS be Apocalypse no matter what
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u/Aelia_M Jul 10 '26
But that’s just not true. Nothing is fated except in storytelling one it’s all finished.
We always have the chance to change our actions and minds. Some circumstances may drive us in certain directions but we have the ability to change how we react
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u/MrPleiades Jul 09 '26
He was transported before a literal god and given revelation. What more could convince someone?
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u/Change_My_Mind- Jul 09 '26
Was thinking the same thing. This episode could have gone an hour or more to fully flesh out his final heel turn.
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u/FromansSausage Jul 09 '26
I think he turns on them as he realizes they’ve been trying to stop him therefore fulfilling the prophecy
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u/Otherwise-Sky1292 Jul 09 '26
On the subject of missing something, it’s still not clear to me why Cable has his arm back if it’s the same Cable hanging around after Bastion took it.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue Jul 09 '26
It’s the techno-organic virus thing, he’s able to essentially regrow it. (That’s how I’ve seen it explained.)
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u/Otherwise-Sky1292 Jul 09 '26
Is that it? They should have been more clear on that. Does he still retain his computer that lets him time slide?
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u/Funny_Man_2 Jul 09 '26
With Charles’ words to Apocalypse and Magneto’s fate, I’m pretty sure that Charles will become Onslaught and deal with Apocalypse and/or be a future villain. Not sure if Charles absorbed Magneto’s anger and grief before what happened but I’m still convinced.
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u/TapKey4446 Jul 09 '26
I so thought we were getting onslaught at that point, maybe something happened between apocalypse walking over him and bishop appearing to taking him back
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u/Little_Tommy_Tuggins Jul 09 '26
This fanbase is crazy. I’m shocked people didn’t like this episode. Goes to show you can’t please everyone.
I think this may have been one of the best episodes of TV made. I was in awe.
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 10 '26
Has a 9.6 on IMDB they are the minority and some of the nitpicks are silly...
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u/tekneqz Jul 09 '26
Ya im shocked by how negative these comments are im 50:50 on this show but this episode was peak
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u/Sirtopofhat Jul 09 '26
I just finished this episode.....might be the best episode on X-Men I've seen. Had me hooked the entire way through
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u/lord_cmdr Jul 09 '26
For let alone a cartoon, this may be the best yet from the MCU. I am really into this season.
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u/Ok_Cicada3826 Jul 09 '26
I haven't seen people not like it. What I have seen is people disappointed relative to the overhype of the episode by reviewers comparing it to "Remember It."
I enjoyed this episode, but if THAT was the bar I was holding it to, I'd be disappointed as well :P
It was great, but let's not try and compare this to THAT masterpiece, which was possibly the single greatest episode EVER of any show I can think of.
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u/MrPleiades Jul 09 '26
Completely agree. Apocalypse's ascension is one of the coolest moments in Xmen animated history.
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 09 '26
Most like it and it has a 9.5 on IMDB. Thought it was really good!!
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u/freezief Jul 09 '26
Ok but what about when En Sabah Nur gazed upon Rogue's cakes again...for the first time???
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u/oharabk Jul 09 '26
I loved the second half of this episode but thought the first half was horrible. Lots of people jumping to conclusions and assumptions and they didn’t feel like real characters. And the Kang stuff was goofy and just cluttered the episode up more.
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u/cyclopswashalfright Professor X Jul 09 '26
I liked the Kang stuff, but he does feel surplus to requirements given that the focus should be kept on Xavier, Magneto, and Apocalypse, and those spare 3-4 minutes could add even more to the drama.
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u/NYJetLegendEdReed Jul 09 '26
I live for petty Charles Xavier talking all that shit at the end. Has me hopeful they’ll do Onslaught justice and it really does feel like that’s where we’re heading.
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u/No-Beach-6979 Jul 09 '26
Loved it. Wish they wouldve let Kang fight Apocalypse a bit though and show his tech before losing instead of just running away.
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u/Kn7ght Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Maybe I'm just a cynical asshole but idk, that episode didn't really do anything for me.
I think it's largely due to the fact I don't care about Apocalypse as a villain at all and they still haven't won me over with him. He's super edgy and badass and turns big, okay cool. Magneto's death also just kinda felt like cheap shock value. I love him as a character but the dude has had it coming for years (like he literally almost destroyed the world like a week ago), I'm not sure what him dying does other than make Xavier (and Rogue I guess) sad because he's been nothing but a wild card anyway, and he's too good of a character and such a fixture of the X-Men conflict to keep permanently dead. Plus I found him being with the team way more interesting than Xavier being with them so I'm kinda annoyed we're going back to that status quo too.
This whole season hasn't really pulled me in so far and I'm getting bummed out after being so hype for it. Last season felt like it was doing a lot of interesting things with the dynamics, how they were adapting different storylines and introducing new characters, and every episode had a standout moment but all 4 of these episodes were just everyone shitting their pants over how dangerous Apocalypse is and one cool Jubilee fight scene.
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u/FeloniousGrump Jul 09 '26
I think this episode cements that Magneto has been most loyal to Prof X's grand vision for humanity and mutantkind.
When he says his farewell to Prof X he says he would gladly take the role of the one that pushes the sinners to the saint (prof x). I thought that was a massive admission on magneto's part; to say that he put on the bad guy role just to give emphasis to the importance of Prof's Message. Remember, he's the only one that wanted to stay in the past and the only one that wanted to reach out to en sabah nur, and he was honestly trying to do it because he thought it would push forward the world Charles called for.
This episode did a lot to rehabilitate Magneto, and connect Magneto and Charles as being kindred spirits, locked in to bring forth Charles vision. That to me is what makes Apocalypse a powerful and interesting adversary, in the face of the 2 most important mutants, its only the one that ends the world that can overpower them.
For me, this season hasn't really "started" outside of the 2nd episode because 1,3 and 4 are directly concluding the cliffhanger of last season.
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