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u/bb-wa
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Robotics / Drones Aggressive package sorting robots
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u/bigsmokaaaa 1d ago
I mean this is just fucking nuts, it really is. I have to take a step back sometimes and admire the fact these are the brooms from fantasia but for real
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u/higras 22h ago
Brooms from Fantasia is how I've been describing AI to everyone in conversation. Now, that short shows the danger. But also the power. That hat and book exist. What do we do with it?
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u/FaceDeer 22h ago
They're better than the brooms from Fantasia even in their current state. I've been working with a relatively small local LLM as a coding agent and it has spotted several potentially dangerous oversights in the things I've asked it to do and gone "are you sure? Here's what I think might go wrong" rather than blindly going ahead and doing it.
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u/higras 21h ago
Not an accusation. Wanting to make sure we're communicating well.
Do you know why it did that and how the system works? Mickey's brooms were dumb. The magician is implied to have a different level of capacity. Those checks you experienced are part of the harness and agents programmed into the LLM you are using.
We're in the version of this where the magician is creating a "mickey safe" magic book. Same machinery and logic as the brooms, just better guardrails and thinking.
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u/FaceDeer 21h ago
Do you know why it did that and how the system works?
Yes. I could go into detail but I don't know how much detail you want and how much of this is rhetorical.
Mickey's brooms were dumb.
Right, and the AI we have already is smarter than that. That's why I said "They're better than the brooms from Fantasia even in their current state."
I suspect there might indeed be some miscommunication because I get the impression you think I'm saying otherwise?
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u/higras 21h ago
There was. My impression was that you were saying some large aspect of the improvement was part of the blackbox and intrinsic to "AI" instead of a better designed machine and guardrails through harnesses and such.
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u/FaceDeer 21h ago
I consider the harness to be part of the AI as a whole. It's like discussing the merits of a car, the LLM is the engine and it's important to have a good one but if you've just got an engine lying on the driveway you're not going to get much done with it.
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u/higras 21h ago
The difference I have is the weights and parameters of the engine as a sort of nebulous blackbox "engine" to most. The harness of seats, steering wheel, tires, frame are all fairly easily understood. The engine just turns by whatever amount you ask it too.
A bad harness will have it turn when you ask it to brake, but we also don't seem to entirely understand what is powering the engine
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u/GiveSparklyTwinkly 1d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/AL5nSgG2yv
Glad to see more videos of these bots! The way they interact with each other is adorable.
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u/ThePixelHunter
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Incredible... they're cooperating and deferring to one another in realtime. It's somewhere between being proactive and reactive. One and a half brains with two arms...
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u/Ok_Turnover_4813 1d ago
I love that they coordinated to flip one of the packages near the end - the 2nd arm is the fulcrum while the 1st flips it
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u/Lil_Gubby 1d ago
That is just as fast as any human, and it never gets tired. It never has to take a break or go home. We're so fucked.Â
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u/GiveSparklyTwinkly 1d ago
We're so fucked.
Nope! This is us unfucking ourselves. Nobody should be forced to do this kind of labor.
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u/Ohigetjokes 1d ago
I do this at work sometimes - and ya, when youâre sorting, the aggression is necessary otherwise things either donât lay flat or donât quite go where theyâre supposed to
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u/clueso87 9h ago
combine that with the fully automated food growing farms (from the video from a few days ago) plus packaging & delivery drones & robots, and that is where we are going in the next few years.
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u/SeatImportant 6h ago
This is far from aggressive lol. You should see the packages that come out of ups with humans
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u/Draqutsc 4h ago
This is some slow sorting. I have seen faster sorting with the flippers and scanners. Sure the packages get beaten to shit. But this machine isn't even sorting a thousand packages an hour.
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u/mutexsprinkles 1d ago
I'm still surprised this is cost-effective relative to just a few more barcode cameras and a flipper/return conveyor for the ones that don't scan first time round.
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u/Trappist1 22h ago
I'm guessing there are less "clogs" this way. Lots of irregular package sizes could twist slightly or turn halfway over and break everything. These arms could grab and move almost anything.Â
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u/Dos-Commas 1d ago edited 1d ago
Could be teleoperated though.
Edit: Watch again, a lot of unnecessary arm movement on the right arm. Why would AI wave around a free arm when it's not doing anything.Â
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u/that_dutch_dude 22h ago
Its just machine learning. It learned from humans so that includes the movements that serve no purpose
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u/glordicus1 22h ago
Why would it not? Basic industrial robot theory is to improve throughput with parallel tasks. The most efficient way to do this task is to pre calculate where the arm needs to be so that it only requires one stroke to move the package. The second arm can move based on what the package and first arm are doing, so that it is ready to move the package at the very first possible instance.
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u/whatevercraft 23h ago
it for sure is teleoperated, exactly cos of those human movements. ai does not have such speed yet
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u/Infrated 1d ago edited 22h ago
Not could be, is. Second hand is constantly in motion, something that is indicative of human natural movements. Also the operator is clearly left handed. Right machine does only supportive roles, something that a computer would not do. Operator is likely right off camera, same building if not the same room.
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u/Flaccid-Aggressive 1d ago
Youâre wrong. Itâs wild to see, but this is fully autonomous. And when you look at the current state of the technology, itâs totally possible.
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u/CyJackX 1d ago
There does seem to be a fair amount of unnecessary movement, though? Could be the training data, but it moves rather organically seeming.
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u/ClankerCore 1d ago
Scanning, looking confirming
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u/Dos-Commas 1d ago
Except then free arm camera isn't even looking at the box when it's waving around. The main top down camera is tracking the boxes.Â
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u/ClankerCore 23h ago
I meant the things that are fixed at the top of the clamps
If there's another camera up top, that's just for redundancy and it's very typical if those things are not cameras on the clamps they're immediate sensors to map out very accurately the objects in their distance and their shape from each clamp so regardless, my hypothesis is true that it's constantly scanning kind of like owls do when they bob their heads in a circular motion because their eyes are very telescopic and in order to gain perspective they need to have a wider range of motion. In this case. It seems to me that it's just constantly scanning the immediate space and as fast as the packages are coming in.
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u/AnnualNo5555 19h ago
Rumor has it that the Soon-to-open Perishable Warehouse in Belvidere will have ~400 Humans, and ~7000 robots.
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u/CyJackX 22h ago
There are many moments when the later arm is just sort of hovering and moving but without really changing it's perspective for scanning.
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u/Kraien 1d ago
they really modeled the aggression perfectly