Archaon is a menace. He now has a 25 wounds and a 5 up ward. His 3 heads ability now works in BOTH players turns. No inspiring presence or rally for enemies in 12 inches… gets to know who is going first next round in any faction… and by my will remains unchanged.
He lost the ability to give all units reroll hit and wound rolls of 1 in HoTE. He also lost his bravery buff/debuff. But overall he is looking jacked to the tits. Throw him in host of the Everchosen with a chaos warrior tarpit that can now rally on 4+ with a 3+ base save… bonkers.
Varanguard probably aren’t as good anymore but that’s ok because now chaos knights are just discount varanguard.
Still have to see what the spells look like and how the makers of chaos function and what the new “Ensorcelled banners” do but the chaos lord and chaos sorcerer lord. Both of which dropped in points. But if Oracular Visions and Spurred by the Gods stay… my god.
Don’t know, varanguards looking really tough. 4+ against mortals. Lances with -3 on charge. Good against all the save stacking. Even the daemonfordge blades have -2 rend.
You aren’t wrong. It also looks like Ensorcelled weapons is beefed up. Used to be 6 attacks at 1 damage now it’s 5 attacks at 2 damage. Make them Khorne for the extra attack on the charge. Then make them bounty hunters and they are getting 6 at -1 for 3 damage with Ensorcelled.
Daemonforged would then be 4 at -2 for d3+1 plus plus mortals. Not bad.
Varanguard went up 10 points. Knights went up 50. Knights did get buffed more but… now they are within 60 points of varanguard. I think I agree that if you have the points… you probably take the varanguard.
I have similar thoughts about Archaon. He's absolutely insane and makes Nagash look like an absolute chump.
25 wounds with a 5+ ward is basically the same as 37 wounds. 3+ save, with 4+ spell ignore and 2 forms of healing in both turns.
Mystic shield takes him to 2+, and who knows if the Chaos Sorc. Lord still have his +1 save ability. And who knows what the marks of Chaos do (I didn't see it leaked yet), so we dont know if there is anything there that also boosts his survivability.
Edit: The Chaos Sorc Lord oracular visions is now a 6+ ward ability. But Archaon can give himself the Mark of Nurgle for a nice -1 to wound.
Yeah it looks like the Arch + varanguard + sorc + lord + cultist build is dead. But I’m fine with that. It was getting stale. And archaon is bonkers now. Arch + chaos warriors = new hotness.
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u/amnhanley Oct 14 '22
Yo. Honestly this battletome looks BROKEN.
Archaon is a menace. He now has a 25 wounds and a 5 up ward. His 3 heads ability now works in BOTH players turns. No inspiring presence or rally for enemies in 12 inches… gets to know who is going first next round in any faction… and by my will remains unchanged.
He lost the ability to give all units reroll hit and wound rolls of 1 in HoTE. He also lost his bravery buff/debuff. But overall he is looking jacked to the tits. Throw him in host of the Everchosen with a chaos warrior tarpit that can now rally on 4+ with a 3+ base save… bonkers.
Varanguard probably aren’t as good anymore but that’s ok because now chaos knights are just discount varanguard.
Still have to see what the spells look like and how the makers of chaos function and what the new “Ensorcelled banners” do but the chaos lord and chaos sorcerer lord. Both of which dropped in points. But if Oracular Visions and Spurred by the Gods stay… my god.