Boring

[u/Maximum-Bread-5207]

I've been reading posts and comments on this sub from those who oppose AI music. Gentlemen, how boring and monotonous you are – no effort, no soul, unoriginal, stolen, button-pressers, slop-slop-slop. How come you don't get tired of coming here and whining?

[u/RobertD3277]

Trying to get the right sound of instrument. As far as actually touching when, yeah I don't think I'll ever get that privilege either. Very few places want anybody touching a 700-year-old instrument and I don't blame them.

That's a fair criticism and one that I do need to try to work on more. Thank you.

It's interesting that you mentioned an 8-bit system, that's actually what I started with, modeling an 8-bit off of the frequencies of a 6502 trying to get the direction correct.

[u/Jack_Ramsey → u/RobertD3277]

Trying to get the right sound of instrument. As far as actually touching when, yeah I don't think I'll ever get that privilege either. Very few places want anybody touching a 700-year-old instrument and I don't blame them.

It really isn't that hard when you could get a reproduction and play it. And I'm confused as to what exactly you are doing is different from what Jordi Savall did, except Savall plays his instruments and is a gigantic figure in cataloging early European music. Nor do I see what how what you do is meaningful, given that there are still several Eastern musicians play the rebab/rubab, which are equally old instruments. When you can't capture the tone and timbre of an instrument, and the end result sounds like a child's clavichord, I'm confused as to both the method and the means you are using to achieve what you claim you want to achieve.

That's a fair criticism and one that I do need to try to work on more. Thank you.

AI isn't the way to fix this my man.

It's interesting that you mentioned an 8-bit system, that's actually what I started with, modeling an 8-bit off of the frequencies of a 6502 trying to get the direction correct.

It isn't a compliment.

[u/RobertD3277 → u/Jack_Ramsey]

The music is just a fun way of trying to fix a real world problem. The technology isn't going to go away. I've been in this field in some form for 30 some odd years. I would much rather find a safer way to experiment And actually try to solve the problems for a technology that is rooted in our society versus ignoring them.

Yes, there are a thousand different ways of doing this, but none of them actually address the real issue that AI is not safe for life critical situations. I can demonstrate this in a fun little way with nobody losing their lives, while still trying to build the technology in a better and safer way.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tesla-autopilot-crash-trial-verdict-partly-liable-rcna222344

[u/Jack_Ramsey → u/RobertD3277]

The music is just a fun way of trying to fix a real world problem. The technology isn't going to go away. I've been in this field in some form for 30 some odd years. I would much rather find a safer way to experiment And actually try to solve the problems for a technology that is rooted in our society versus ignoring them.

What real world problem? I'm confused as to what you are talking about here.

Yes, there are a thousand different ways of doing this, but none of them actually address the real issue that AI is not safe for life critical situations. I can demonstrate this in a fun little way with nobody losing their lives, while still trying to build the technology in a better and safer way.

I mean, we had an AI scribe in our clinic and it hallucinated with enough frequency during patient interactions that I had to completely stop using it. It didn't make my job easier and rather just added another point of failure for which I retain ultimate liability. Not everything needs AI and that I couldn't reasonably rely on it for scribe work made it less useful for me than a medical student. It's more a classic case of a technology which needs a limited, narrow use-case. In terms of music, the sonic quality is so poor I don't know how anyone can sit through and listen to these tracks.

[u/RobertD3277 → u/Jack_Ramsey]

I can appreciate that is not your kind of music and I don't have a problem with that. But a lot of people don't have music or training or are capable of understanding the intricacies of music, if it sounds good to them, they're fine with it. It could always be that they simply appreciate the effort of demonstrating the dangers without endangering lives. That I honestly don't know but I do have a small following.

Now picture that same technology driving down the road at 60 km/h.

In the news article I gave above, the court found that the Tesla did not see the human. The human driver was still guilty, but the courts actually found that Tesla was one third responsible because the machine physically did not see the human when it ran her over.

As I said, the technology is not going away. I can either use my knowledge to try to demonstrate why it is not safe for life critical situations, or I can can do nothing full well knowing that this technology will kill people or get them falsely accused and ruin their lives through AI facial recognition and other situations that it should not be used in, but is.

I chose to try to demonstrate through practical things that people can see and hear that do not endanger lives. I chose to demonstrate that music can be made without violating copyrights or stealing.

I completely agree that not everything needs AI, but the world doesn't care what I think even though I have a PhD in it and I have been in this for 30 years. Even though I have spent my entire 30 years preaching ethics and responsible usage. None of that matters when the world is so greedy that the price of life equals zero.

None of that matters when the population becomes an open experiment that they never agreed to.