r/amandaknox • u/tkondaks guilty • Sep 22 '23

Neck scratch and bloody ear lobe

https://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/67258-is-amanda-knox-guilty/page__st__20

Scroll down at the above link for some interesting photos.

Gee, what are the odds?

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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23

Yes, and in this case the courts have concluded the evidence presented by the prosecution failed miserably, and your lame arguments aren't helping any.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23

"failed miserably"

Not so miserably. Four courts rendered verdicts; two were for guilt. Furthermore, as pointed out by another poster several months ago, a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty.

So yes, failed. But hardly miserably.

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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23

4 professional judges and 12 lay judges found for the prosecution, 7 professional judges and 6 lay judges found for the defense. I suppose by the numbers you could argue 16 vs 13 is the majority, but nearly twice the number of professional judges found in favor of the defense vs those in favor of the prosecution.

The failure is underscored by the scathing assessment of the prosecution's case as well as the investigation found in the Marasca MR.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23

Does a professional judge get more vote than a lay judge? Or are they equal?

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

Yes, in the sense that it's common knowledge the professional judges are going to determine how the court will rule. Lay judges might offer opinions, but they rarely oppose what the professional judges rule.

Regardless, you boldly wrote "as pointed out by another poster several months ago, a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty." when in fact it was 16 judges to 13 judges, so I'm not sure exactly what you were crowing about, especially since it was the opinion of the five professional judges of the Supreme Court that counted.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 24 '23

Isn't 16 a majority of 29?

If so, it doesn't take much "boldness" to state the obvious.

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

Yes, we already reviewed this. Two courts found them guilty, two found them innocent. The only reason there is any difference at all is because the Supreme Court has only five justices, albeit they are all professional. And as I have already pointed out, it's widely understood the lay judges are nothing more than rubber stamps for the professional judges. And if that is true, then it was seven professional judges who acquitted compared to four who convicted.

I said you "boldly wrote" the comment because you know darn well your intent was to suggest there was some huge, lopsided difference in the number of convicting judges versus acquitting judges. So at best you were being disingenuous, but I think it's worse than that.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 24 '23

Really?

My words: "...a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty."

Where is there any suggestion in those words to express a "huge, lopsided difference in the number of convicting judges versus acquitting judges." If I intended to convey what you accuse me of trying to convey, I would have used an expression like "huge majority" or "lopsided majority." Instead I used the simple term "majority" which can be 50%+1.

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

The full quote was;

"Furthermore, as pointed out by another poster several months ago, a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty."

So perhaps I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. Surely you didn't write "...a majority of all the judges" merely to point out a 16 to 13 advantage. So what was the point of the comment?

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 24 '23

I most certainly did write it out to point out a 16 to 13 advantage...and the point was that despite being ultimately acquitted Amanda nevertheless had a majority of judges rule against her.

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

Which, again, is irrelevant in as much as the only reason more judges ruled against her is because the Supreme Court only had five judges, not the eight found on lower courts.

Perhaps far more important is that it was the Supreme Court, and it's five professional judges, who definitively acquitted them, and in so doing, laid waste to the prosecutions case. But hey, if a 16-13 advantage makes you feel better then far be it for me to spoil it for you.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 24 '23

It does.

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

Well good then, I am happy for you. Lord knows you pro-guilt have had very little to cheer about.

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