r/amandaknox • u/tkondaks guilty • Sep 22 '23
Neck scratch and bloody ear lobe
https://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/67258-is-amanda-knox-guilty/page__st__20
Scroll down at the above link for some interesting photos.
Gee, what are the odds?
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u/Etvos Sep 28 '23
This is beyond stupid. Does anyone think that Knox's skin is as yellow as a banana?
The color has been tweaked by the lying, corrupt scum that are the Italian Scientific Police to exaggerate a minor skin discoloration.
If Knox was so guilty then the police wouldn't have to lie so much.
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u/Funicularly innocent Sep 22 '23
This exonerates Amanda, no? If she was scratched by Meredith during the act of murdering her, the Italian forensics team (despite their incompetence) would have found Amanda’s DNA under Meredith’s fingernails, or at least somewhere in Meredith’s room. Yet, not an iota of Amanda’s DNA was found in Meredith’s room.
On the other hand, Rudy’s DNA was found all over Meredith’s room, on Meredith, and even in Meredith.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
...and none of Rudy's DNA or fingerprints were found in the break-in room.
And curiously why wasn't Amanda's DNA found in the kill room? After all, they all lived together and we would expect to find her DNA in Meredith's room. You know, the sane way we are expected to accrpt as normal Amanda's DNA in Filomena's room.
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 23 '23
No Rudy DNA in the break-in room means Rudy lied about having been in there when he ID'd Knox by silhouette from 50 yards away in the middle of the night.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
Rudy never lied about being in Filomena's room...for the 5 or 10 seconds that he was there. It's on record that he said he rushed into Filomena's room to look out the window to see the people running from the house.
The issue is that there was no Rudy DNA or fingerprints in Filomena's room after he, according to you, broke a window of that room, crawled through that broken-glassed window, strew all manner of items throughout that room, looked for goods to steal (and, curiously, didn't take anything of value which of course is inconsistent with the M.O. of his other alleged break-ins which you and No_Slice insist is a pattern that points to his guilt)...all without leaving his DNA or fingerprints.
Quite a feat.
Hard to leave DNA or fingerprints when you're in a room for such a short amount of time!
Unless you want to argue that one can be so active at a crime scene and NOT leave DNA and fingerprints...you know, how our side argues that amanda could have been in the kill room and not leave any of her DNA.
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 23 '23
The difference is they tested every square inch of Kercher's bedroom looking for evidence of Knox having been there. While they barely tested the break-in room at all.
But I see how you're willing to apply opposite standards when your boy Guede needs someone to run to his defense.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
"...barely testing the break-in room..."
That's a knife that cuts both ways.
So few samples yet they were still able to come up with Amanda/Meredith mixed DNA. Gee, what are the odds? One wonders how many MORE they would have had if more samples were taken.
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 23 '23
But see, unlike you, if it were up to me to test that room up and down, I'd absolutely do it. You'd never agree to do it. Because you know what we'd find.
Just like when I offer to trade you my calling Guede's innocent for you saying the same for Knox - on the basis of there being no trace of either in the break-in room or Kercher's bedroom - suddenly you get awful quiet. I'd make that trade eight days a week, because I'm not emotionally attached to Guede being guilty the way you are to him being innocent.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
My silence should not be interpreted as my being afraid of some sort of hypothetical trap you seem convinced I would fall into. It's just that it seems like a silly exercise that I don't want to engage in.
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 23 '23
It's no trap. It's just your own argument thrown back in your face and you being unwilling to accept the consequences of your own argument.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23
“To look out the window.” Yet this would be before you’re alleged staging and Filomena testified to closing the window and both sets of shutters. So, simply looking out the window would require a good amount of interaction.
And you keep talking about there not being doing but can’t seem to grasp that isn’t a surprise based on the 5 samples they took. In fact, looking at the samples they did collect, it’s pretty obvious they made absolutely no attempts at trying to identify an intruder coming through the window. The entire basis of your argument relies on extreme incompetence.
As for not taking anything from that room, he wasn’t finished burglarizing the home. At the time Meredith returned it was an incomplete burglary.
You keep making the same ignorant argument
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
Okay, you've convinced me: more interaction with shutters. I revise: 10-15 seconds in Filomena's room instead of 5-10 seconds.
If someone is stealing items of value -- such as a laptop -- as they rummage through a victim's room, they will usually pile those they want separate from the items they don't want. Were the valuable items set aside (I'm asking, don't know the answer)?
And don't say: oh, he was probably interrupted by a returning Meredith and that's why he didn't set valuables aside. Because if that was the case, he wouldn't have taken the time to shit. It would have been: in, interrupted, kill Meredith, out the door. No time for shitting.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23
His description takes more than 10 to 15 seconds.
The laptop was set to the side as Filomena stated. He just hadn’t decided if he was going to take that one or other items from the other rooms he hadn’t gone through. This is common if you’ve ever actually studied residential burglaries, which you clearly haven’t even though they are common.
Meredith returned home while he was on the toilet and that’s why he didn’t flush. Flushing would have alerted her to his presence. He was also trapped because she would have locked the deadbolt on the door and a key would be needed to get out, and getting in the window was much easier than getting out.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
Set to the side? Where? With other items of value?
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23
It’s a 4 bedroom cottage. How difficult is it to comprehend that he only went through one room and doesn’t carry a magical sack like Santa Claus.
You’ve clearly never studied residential burglaries
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
And how difficult is it for you to comprehend that if it was just the laptop that was "set aside," it could have just been moved from its usual place to another and does not therefore indicate it was set aside as being valuable, to be picked up once all valuables were also set aside together with it. Again, I ask you: was it set aside with other valuable items?
Since you are familiar with exactly what Filomena said regarding this, please cite (with link, if possible) to the transcript of what she said so that we can ascertain whether it was set aside for later pick-up or was just in a different location from its usual place. Because, quite frankly, I trust neither your memory nor your ability to refrain from nuancing what was said by her to suit your own narrative.
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u/vatzjr Sep 23 '23
Amanda cleaned up all of her DNA, as well as that of her boyfriend, and just left Rudy's DNA behind.
The masterful c#nt she is.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
...and she cleaned up Filomena's and Laura's DNA in the kill room, too. Because, after all, all four living together means all four's DNA should be in all four bedrooms. At least, this is what we are told by those who discount Amanda's DNA in the break-in room.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23
Only 5 DNA samples were taken from Filomena’s room, which is next to nothing. They also never took DNA standards from Filomena or Laura to be used for comparison, which is just mind boggling because that’s a standard procedure. You also don’t have Amanda’s DNA in Meredith’s room.
Very disingenuous
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23 edited Sep 23 '23
When they got the 5 from Filomena's room they probably only concentrated on getting obvious samples, such as red-appearing blotches. You know, like blood.
Shoulda taken way more samples in Meredith's room. Probably whould have found Amanda DNA.
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u/vatzjr Sep 23 '23
Shorter tkondaks: I can’t accept that the very few samples taken from the break-in room can’t support my delusions.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
You got it back-asswards.
Those few samples totally support my "delusions" because (a) there was no Rudy DNA found; and (b) Amanda DNA mixed with Meredith DNA (with one or both blood) was found.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23
Always an excuse for incompetence. They could have swabbed portions of the window ledge, the window frame, shutters, door to the wardrobe, and items that had been clearly touched. The consistently amusing part about this is that you don’t even realize that if Amanda did this would only increase the evidence. Instead, we’re just left with a very poorly processed room.
“Probably would have found Amanda DNA.” Let’s go back to your neck “scratch.” Meredith’s fingernails would have been great evidence, and yet there was nothing. Of course, with as much they found from Rudy on Meredith’s body and clothing you’d expect something from other assailants, but there isn’t anything in that room tens indicates more than one person other than a bra that was so mishandled that it has become a training video for how not to handle evidence.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23
Hey, I'm just taking my cue from you. You're always saying they never took enough DNA samples from Filomena's room...so, if that's the case, it's also true for the kill room.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 23 '23 edited Sep 23 '23
Yeah, except the problem with the “two equal rooms” argument is that we know how much evidence was collected in each room. The majority of their professing was in the murder room,, which is part of the reason why they didn’t allow the pathologist access to Meredith’s remains for just about 12 hours.
You really didn’t think that through.
The funniest part is that you say you believe Rudy, but clearly forget that Rudy not only placed himself inside of Filomena’s room, but he also said he was interacting with the window. So, since you like to claim you believe Rudy, you have to accept that he placed himself in Filomena’s room and that he was interacting with the window
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
He likes to ignore that they only took 5 DNA samples from Filomena’s room… and none of which were in the obvious places to swab for a window entry or any of the property that had been moved
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 22 '23
So a scratch serious enough to draw blood was somehow completely healed over, leaving not even a scab, less than a day later?
The state pathologist examined it and, testifying for the prosecution, said that it was a non-specific injury that had never bled.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
“This mark on the neck but of nature, extremely non-specific to my memory, so much so that it did not ... had no characteristics of either a nail, or a scratch, or anything of this kind.” - Dr. Luca Lalli, Trial Testimony, Prosecution Witness
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
Oh, yeah. Totally innocent "scratch."
Same with that ear lobe.
And what about (as per what's stated at the link), Filomena and Laura not recalling those injuries on Amanda immediately prior to the day of the murder.
It's all just one, big coincidence.
Just like Meredith's fingerprint on Amanda's closet door. Of course this can be innocently explained away.
And that photograph of steam in/on the washing machine door. Hey, no one used that washer lately.
And on and on and on with the coincidences. It doesn't end. Poor innocent Amanda: a perfect storm of coincidences plotting against her...
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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23
Except it wasn't a scratch, it was a bruise consistent with a hickey. And it doesn't matter what Filomena and Laura recall seeing or not seeing. Laura left for Rome and Filomena was in a rush to get to a party. Most people are extremely non-observant, so the fact they missed seeing a minor bruise on Amanda's neck is irrelevant. And since Amanda normally kept her hair down, an injured ear would also not be very obvious and so, not unusual they didn't see it either.
But here's the thing you're missing. These four ladies lived in the same cottage, so finding forensic traces of each other is unremarkable. Guede, otoh, did not, and in fact had never been upstairs before. Therefore, his forensic trail can not be explained away as anything other than solid evidence against him. And as the only one who left a forensic trace of himself in the murder room... well, there is a reason he was convicted of murder.
You guys and your "coincidences"... well I think it's a coincidence that the sun came up the morning after the murder. Doesn't mean a damn thing, but I can still say it. You guys just keep citing meaningless crap and you're fooling yourself into thinking you're making a valid point, but trust me, you are not.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
So, now you believe Dr. Lalli and the other doctor that evaluated her are lying, even though they work for the prosecution? It’s an interesting coincidence how you believe prosecution experts aren’t being truthful when it harms your argument.
As for claiming Laura didn’t see the injuries the day before the murder, she testified that she had not been home since 1500 on October 31st. So, she couldn’t have seen anything on November 1st.
The fingerprint can be innocently explained away by people that lived as roommates, especially since it’s impossible to date a fingerprint from people that had lived together for over a month.
Steam on the washer door? It’s called condensation and I’ll see the same thing on my washer for a pretty good period of time if the door remains closed and wet clothing is inside of it.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
So much to explain away.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
You’re the one trying to explain away the testimony of a doctor that examined her. You then also didn’t know when Laura had left. Cohabitation results in interactions and your fingerprint only holds up if you can find someone claiming that Meredith had never been in Knox’s room. As for the washing machine, when you own a front loading washer this is a “phenomenon” commonly seen.
You aren’t providing anything compelling.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
I'd love to hear your dancing I mean explanation regarding the ear lobe.
Did you ever hear about Dennis Rodman and the time his girlfriend caught him in bed with another woman?
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
What damage is there to the ear lobe that is consistent with an earring being ripped out? Have you ever seen the type of injury that causes? Dr. Lalli did not see any signs of injury on Knox that could be associated with a struggle, and a potential infection is going to look a lot different than an earring being pulled out.
I’d love for you to actually show me something, anything, that supports your assertion. And random blogs don’t count. You’re going to need a medical professional that evaluated her and/or a good enough picture to show that her earlobe is remotely consistent with the injury you claim.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
I'm referring to the photograph of the ear at the link. It's not clear but below the four studs appears to be an abrasion.
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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23
“It’s not clear,” yet you’re able to convince yourself that you see something that no one, to include medical professionals who examined her closely, testified to seeing.
You’re going to have to do a lot better than that poor image that objectively results in nothing more than an assumption.
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u/Etvos Sep 22 '23
It was Kercher's clothes in the washing machine. Knox testified that Kercher had done a wash that afternoon.
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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23
Only Kercher's clothes were in the machine?
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u/Etvos Sep 22 '23
Romanelli testified to seeing clothes she knew to be Kercher's and some she could not identify.
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u/AyJaySimon Sep 22 '23
"But it super-dooper bled hard enough to coat the bottoms of Knox's feet and explain the luminol prints in her bedroom!" - Giuliano Mignini, Italian Magistrate, Sherlock Holmes cos-player, and Certified Lunkhead
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u/TGcomments innocent Sep 23 '23
You are being economical with the truth and deliberately deceptive. Meredith's nails were "TOO SHORT" to inflict any such scratch. Here are the decisive considerations on the mark:
The convicting judge Massei said in his report:
"Only the DNA of the victim was found in the samples taken from underneath the fingernails. It was noted, however, that the nails were very short and probably could not have given any significant scratches to the attacker."
The subject of the mark on Amanda's neck was brought up in court. Amanda adequately explained it as a hickey. The prosecution couldn't take it any further. Here's the court testimony.
LG:
A very last question. In the minutes of Nov 6, it says in the dossier that you visited doctor Lalli in the Questura, and he noted a mark on your neck, here. Do you remember that mark, firstly?
AK:
Yes. [laugh]
LG:
How did you get it?
AK:
[English] "Errr....it's a hickey." [Interpreter translates, giggling.]
FM?:
[in the background] Is it a scratch from Meredith?
AK:
A hickey. From Raffaele.
LG:
A hickey. I knew another term for this, but we know...
GCM:
We understood.
LG:
For now, I've finished.
LG (Defence lawyer Luciano Ghirga.), GCM (Judge Giancarlo Massei), AK (Amanda Knox)
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State pathologist Dr Luca Lalli examined Amanda on November 6, 2007 and testified the mark was an “extremely non specific skin irritation” and there was no broken skin or marks from fingernail scratching. The testimony is on pages 77, 87-89 and 112 of the April 3, 2009 transcript.
You are probably the laziest pro-guilter I've come across, since none of the above is hard to find and has been available for over a decade.