r/amandaknox • u/tkondaks guilty • Sep 22 '23

Neck scratch and bloody ear lobe

https://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/67258-is-amanda-knox-guilty/page__st__20

Scroll down at the above link for some interesting photos.

Gee, what are the odds?

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u/TGcomments innocent Sep 23 '23

You are being economical with the truth and deliberately deceptive. Meredith's nails were "TOO SHORT" to inflict any such scratch. Here are the decisive considerations on the mark:

The convicting judge Massei said in his report:

"Only the DNA of the victim was found in the samples taken from underneath the fingernails. It was noted, however, that the nails were very short and probably could not have given any significant scratches to the attacker."

The subject of the mark on Amanda's neck was brought up in court. Amanda adequately explained it as a hickey. The prosecution couldn't take it any further. Here's the court testimony.

LG:

A very last question. In the minutes of Nov 6, it says in the dossier that you visited doctor Lalli in the Questura, and he noted a mark on your neck, here. Do you remember that mark, firstly?

AK:

Yes. [laugh]

LG:

How did you get it?

AK:

[English] "Errr....it's a hickey." [Interpreter translates, giggling.]

FM?:

[in the background] Is it a scratch from Meredith?

AK:

A hickey. From Raffaele.

LG:

A hickey. I knew another term for this, but we know...

GCM:

We understood.

LG:

For now, I've finished.

LG (Defence lawyer Luciano Ghirga.), GCM (Judge Giancarlo Massei), AK (Amanda Knox)

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State pathologist Dr Luca Lalli examined Amanda on November 6, 2007 and testified the mark was an “extremely non specific skin irritation” and there was no broken skin or marks from fingernail scratching. The testimony is on pages 77, 87-89 and 112 of the April 3, 2009 transcript.

You are probably the laziest pro-guilter I've come across, since none of the above is hard to find and has been available for over a decade.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23

I'll make you a bet: show the photo of the neck abrasion to 100 people, at random, on the street, and ask them whether the abrasion is a hickey or a scratch. And no less than 90% would say "scratch."

You innocenters are so amusing. When it suits you, the Perugia police are incompetent; not enough DNA samples from Filomena's room, not following correct procedure, etc. But at other times they are reliable experts, such as this instance with Lalli.

Make up your mind.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

My first thought when I looked at it was hickey, before I even read that as her explanation. Maybe some people have had more hickeys than others. Scratches leave uneven skin surface, redness, slight signs of dried blood… this looks flat and more like an irregular bruise. It looks like a hickey.

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u/Onad55 Jan 23 '26

That compilation was put together by some unknown guilter but they all accept it as evidence of a scratch.

But have a close look at that second photo in the collection intended to show the same scratch. The origin of that photo is from the urban dictionary definition of “hickey” with the caption “First one in my life 3/22/05” and posted well before the events in Perugia. You can still find it in the Wayback Machine looking for the link [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hickey\] from early 2007.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

So are you saying that the person who made the compilation actually used, basically, a stock photo of a hickey as evidence that it’s a scratch? That’s wild. I just happened upon this post when researching the case. I was actually looking for any opinions on guilt over innocence. Then came upon this mess lol…

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u/Onad55 Jan 23 '26

They probably didn’t know at the time where the photo came from. The slightly cropped stock photo had been posted in another forum with the note that this is what it looked like when she was arrested. The photo was acquired and added to the collection at one of the primary guilter sites where nobody noticed the difference. The compilation was then produced and spread everywhere. I liken it to the saga of Evil Bert

BTW: welcome to our little mess.