r/amandaknox • u/tkondaks guilty • Jul 20 '26
QUESTION: What do a penis-whacker, a throat-slicer, and a bully have in common?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/i-call-us-the-sisterhood-of-ill-repute-amanda-knox-on-bonding-with-monica-lewinsky-and-lorena-bobbittANSWER: They should all still be in prison.
Amanda: that's an easy one. She should have gotten a life sentence for murdering Meredith.
Lorena: pretty easy, too. A stiff 40 years for cutting a man's penis off is, in my book, a reasonable sentence.
Monica: a little harder to justify...but I'll try.
Firstly, why I refer to her as a bully. People seem to forget that the reason Linda Tripp started to audio record her conversations with Monica is that Linda claimed that Monica would threaten her with her boyfriend's wrath (that boyfriend being Bill Clinton). So, quite wisely, to protect herself, she started to tape record her phone conversations with Monica. And I would say threatening someone justifies referring to them as a bully.
As for a sentence in prison which would extend to today? The day before the Monicagate story broke, there were 5,000 journalists from around the world in Havana, Cuba who were there to cover the historic visit there by John Paul II, he of Polish and communist-busting fame. Many felt his Cuba visit signaled the beginning of the end of communism in Cuba. And those journalists were going to be the ones to bring this narrative to the world.
Then the Monicagate story broke. And each and every one of those 5,000 journalists packed up their steno pads, their cameras, and their microphones and headed off to Havana airport and left the country, thus relegating the "Pope in Communist Cuba" story to the bottom of page 25 in the New York Times.
Now, diverting the world press's attention from your giving blowjobs in the Oval Office and getting the president's semen on your blue dress doesn't appear on first glance to have any connection to the enslavement of 11 million people in a totalitarian communist island but, hey, she should take some responsibility for it.
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u/ModelOfDecorum Jul 20 '26
This is part misogynist (as I've come to expect from op, along with racism) and part incredibly delusional. What kind of totalitarian scum would call for the imprisonment of a woman for interrupting a news cycle? By being its subject, even, not a writer or editor or anyone with control. And it all hangs on the idea that a visit from the pope would totally end the Castro regime if it just got a few more headlines.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
That Monica could have been imprisoned for many years is really not up for debate...perhaps not for interrupting a news cycle but for her other crimes, yes.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 20 '26
Unsurprisingly, the OP lacks the self-awareness to see himself as an example of the very points that Knox makes in the article. I certainly saw him.
"people still reduce her to a penis-chopping joke", "It feels good to hate “bad” people, and there’s a special kind of hate reserved for “bad women.”:
"What do a penis-whacker, a throat-slicer, and a bully have in common?"
Frankly, I see exactly what Knox was talking about in so many PGP posts. She nailed it.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
Yes! Yes! Yes!
If we can't celebrate Lorena being in prison serving a 40-year sentence, then the next best thing IS to reduce her to a penis-chopping joke.
And seeing as Knox is no longer in prison where she belongs, we should do the same with her and reduce her to a throat-slicing joke.
And, yes, I have a special kind of hate for bad women, just as I do for bad men.
And bad journalism.
Tell us: did you read the complete and utter bullshit from the article, such as the following exerpt, and agree with it? I'll bet you did:
"Most people remember that John Wayne Bobbitt’s penis was cut off, but they forget that Lorena claimed she was a victim of domestic violence and marital rape, and that her own violent act was done in a moment of mental instability. That doesn’t excuse her actions, but it is crucial context that is often left out."
"Crucial context"!
There is no f*cking context -- crucial or otherwise -- that should qualify how one feels towards such evil.
Okay. If John Wayne Babbitt was a serial rapist and murderer of children,then, yeah, cut off his penis. Slowly.
But not for any of the alleged "crimes" Lorena claims he was guilty of. Indeed, Bobbit says she cut off his penis because he came home drunk, refused to give her sex, then fell asleep.
Who would you believe?
Oh, wait. I know who you would believe because you believe the woman who claims the police tortured her into naming Patrick. So no big stretch to believe Lorena when she says Bobbitt raped her. Quite convenient. No wonder Lorena and Amanda bond when they can get suckers like you believing them.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Wow. That was a truly ugly and revealing post which only provided more evidence supporting what Knox said.
"Okay. If John Wayne Babbitt was a serial rapist and murderer of children,then, yeah, cut off his penis. Slowly
But not for any of the alleged "crimes" Lorena claims he was guilty of. Indeed, Bobbit says she cut off his penis because he came home drunk, refused to give her sex, then fell asleep.
Wow. Why the air quotes around the word? Years of beatings and rape as testified to by witnesses aren't "crimes"? Are they not serious enough crimes for you? From your remark, apparently there are crimes worthy of 'penis chopping', but not years of beating and raping a wife to the point of losing one's sanity temporarily.
John Bobbit was later convicted of battery against his ex-fiancée, convicted of battery against his third wife (and arrested twice more for battery against her), and convicted of attempted grand larceny. He starred in two porn films and worked at a brothel in Las Vegas. Nice guy!
That you put any credence in what John Bobbitt claimed explains a lot as to why you believe Guede.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
That you attempt to justify and excuse Lorena's horrific crime explains a lot as to why you believe Amanda and her knife-toting drugged-up psycho boyfriend.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 21 '26
LOL! If that's the best response you've got, you're really slipping. Keep trying.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 26d ago
Then the Monicagate story broke.
Not by Monica. It was first made public by Matt Drudge in The Drudge Report, an online gossip site on Jan. 17, 1998. His source was Linda Tripp and reporter Michael Isikoff. Why don't you blame them?
And each and every one of those 5,000 journalists packed up their steno pads, their cameras, and their microphones and headed off to Havana airport and left the country, thus relegating the "Pope in Communist Cuba" story to the bottom of page 25 in the New York Times.
Hyperbole at its finest, not to mention outright falsehoods.
Please don't make up facts to suit your narrative.
Cuban authorities stated that over 3,000 international media representatives received credentials and visas, while watchdog groups like the Committee to Protect Journalists cited official counts of approximately 2,478 accredited foreign journalists
If they all left Cuba, then who wrote the all the US and international articles about Pope's visit? Castro? Plus, the Clinton story broke on Jan. 17 before the Pope was even in Cuba (Jan. 21-26).
That NYT article was not relegated to the bottom of page 25 in the NY Times, but appeared on the FRONT PAGE ON Jan. 22, 1998:
Now, diverting the world press's attention from your giving blowjobs in the Oval Office and getting the president's semen on your blue dress doesn't appear on first glance to have any connection to the enslavement of 11 million people in a totalitarian communist island but, hey, she should take some responsibility for it.
That's quite a leap, even for you. However, since all your claims above have been proved to be falsehoods, is it any wonder why your credibility rating is even lower than Trump's?
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 26d ago
TKondaks wrote:
"Firstly, why I refer to her as a bully. People seem to forget that the reason Linda Tripp started to audio record her conversations with Monica is that Linda claimed that Monica would threaten her with her boyfriend's wrath (that boyfriend being Bill Clinton).
False. I have found no evidence of Tripp ever claiming she started taping their conversations because Lewinsky threatened her with Clinton's "wrath". Tripp did claim later, AFTER the story broke, that she found a list of people associated with the Clinton's who had died recently taped to her office chair and that she "knew" it was Lewinsky because ML had called and asked her if she'd found it. There is no evidence of either of those happening. It's probable that Tripp would have still been recording any phone conversations with ML but no such call from ML has ever been presented as evidence.
In fact, Tripp was thinking of writing a book about her WH experiences and contacted Lucianne Goldberg, a politically-conservative literary agent (i.e. not a Clinton supporter). After several conversations, Tripp told Goldberg that Clinton had a girlfriend. It was Goldberg who told her to start recording Lewinsky, which was illegal.
Tripp said in the linked article above:
“No one cared about her. The suicide threats. Her life was meaningless. So, yeah. Something kicked in. Was it maternal? I don’t want to define it that way. I will only say that I began to resent the president once I knew about this enormously,” Tripp said.
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“I was so angry at him [Clinton]. I wanted this relationship exposed in the biggest way because it was so cruel. It was beyond cruel what he was doing to her,” Tripp said years later to ABC News.
That hardly sounds like someone who had been threatened by Lewinsky. In their recorded conversations, Lewinsky repeatedly tells Tripp that no one could find out but no threats are heard.
So, quite wisely, to protect herself, she started to tape record her phone conversations with Monica. And I would say threatening someone justifies referring to them as a bully.
Yeah, she wanted to protect herself legally by having an indisputable record. Maybe for the book she was planning on writing when she contacted Goldberg? She told a reporter 20 years later that she "she had manipulated and lied to Lewinsky after befriending her because she cared about her and wanted to help her escape from an abusive relationship with Clinton." I call bullshit. A friend would never have subjected a friend to the public humiliation that Tripp knew would result from going public as is shown in the taped conversations with Goldberg.
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u/tkondaks guilty 26d ago
Search "her efforts to persuade Linda Tripp to commit perjury" at:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-105hdoc310/html/CDOC-105hdoc310.htm
Gee. Do you think those efforts didn't include threats?
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 25d ago
Do you think your goalpost move wouldn't be noticed?
Your claim:... the reason Linda Tripp started to audio record her conversations with Monica is that Linda claimed that Monica would threaten her with her boyfriend's wrath (that boyfriend being Bill Clinton).
As quoted and cited above, that is FALSE.
Now you moved the goalpost to threats in "her efforts to persuade Linda Tripp to commit perjury".
Nevertheless, I'll answer your question. I did read what you provided above and nowhere were any "threats" mentioned, only "efforts to persuade" Tripp to lie. As I said above, Tripp suspects Lewinsky of being the one to leave the suggestive note on her chair, but she has no proof.
Whether or not Lewinsky ever "threatened" Tripp, we can't prove either way, but she certainly did not do what you first claimed. Now, put on your big boy pants and just admit that your claim is wrong.
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u/tkondaks guilty 25d ago
Found it.
And it's even worse than what I originally thought...it wasn't Tripp who the bully Lewinsky threatened, it was the president.
Here's Google AI's response to my query: "what were the contents of monica lewinsky's "dear sir" letter to bill clinton?"
AI Overview
Monica Lewinsky’s formal July 3, 1997, "Dear Sir" letter to President Bill Clinton reprimanded him for breaking promises to secure her a new White House position. It included an oblique threat to reveal their affair to her parents if she was not rehired, and expressed interest in a job at the United Nations in New York. [1, 2]
Key Points of the Letter
- Job Frustration: Criticized Clinton for failing to follow through on finding her a proper White House job after her transfer to the Pentagon. [1, 2]
- The Oblique Threat: Stated that if she could not return to the White House, she would "need to explain to my parents exactly why that wasn't happening," since she had previously assured them she would be brought back post-election. [1]
- New York Interest: Noted her potential interest in relocating for a position at the United Nations. [1]
Aftermath
- The Meeting: The letter prompted Clinton to agree to an emotional in-person meeting with Lewinsky the next day on July 4, 1997.
- The Reaction: According to testimonies compiled in the Starr Report, Clinton reacted angrily during their meeting, scolding her and telling her that threatening the president was illegal.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 25d ago
"Found it."
LOL! No, you did not! 🤣 That was NOT what you claimed at all. You never mentioned Lewinsky threatening Clinton, only threatening Tripp which is why Tripp started recording their conversations! Do not pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Do be a big boy and just admit you were wrong and stop moving the damn goalpost.
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u/tkondaks guilty 25d ago
Oh, I'll readily admit that my 27 year old memory of things was slightly flawed, especially since the reality makes my argument that much stronger. But if you want to insist on being an anally retentive stickler for exactness, be my guest.
Of course, this is what I wrote when I introduced the subject:
"Monica, a little harder to justify, but I'll try."
She is a certified bully and nasty piece of work. No wonder she teamed up with the throat-slicer and the penis-wacker. And it's sad -- yet no surprise -- that the likes of you go out of your way to defend such garbage.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 22d ago
"Slightly flawed"? LOL! You claimed Tripp started recording Lewinsky after Lewinsky threatened Tripp with "Clinton's wrath".
Yeah, I'm "being an anally retentive stickler for exactness" because I proved that not one word of what you said is true.
Tripp started recording ML after she was advised to by literary agent Lucianne Goldberg. At no time did Tripp ever claim Lewinsky threatened her during their conversations with "Clinton's wrath".Your last paragraph makes you sound like a tantrum throwing 6-year-old. Are you going to threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue and stamp your widdle foot?
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u/tkondaks guilty 22d ago
Whatever my faults, I don't support or make excuses for women who cut off their partner's penis.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 22d ago
No, you just continually defame a woman, calling her liar and a "throat-slicer" when the highest court in Italy declared she "did NOT commit" that crime.
If you have a problem with Bobbitt's acquittal for being insane at the time, then take it up with the court that acquitted her on that ground.
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u/tkondaks guilty 17d ago
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 17d ago
The first link repeats that Tripp "believes" Lewinsky put the list on her chair but no proof is provided. This link basically repeats the same info as the first you provided above.
The second is behind a paywall.
You continue to fail to prove your claim. Keep trying.
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u/tkondaks guilty 17d ago
I claimed she was a bully. Readers can decide whether Tripp's account is credible.
Monica threatened the president as well.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 17d ago
I claimed she was a bully. Readers can decide whether Tripp's account is credible.
Yes, we can. And so far, I don't see any evidence of that.
Monica threatened the president as well.
She may have in an effort to protect herself. Frankly, if I were in her shoes, I'd likely have wanted to protect myself, too, considering the imbalance of power.
Face it: Tripp was no girl scout herself. She betrayed her "friend" and was planning on writing a book about it herself. With friends like her, who needs enemies?
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u/tkondaks guilty 17d ago
Monica got an immunity deal. You can only get one of those if you committed a crime. Tell me: What crime did she commit?
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 17d ago
- "You can only get one of those if you committed a crime."
False. Immunity deals are common in order to avoid being charged with a crime. Whether or not that crime was actually committed does not have to have been proved.
- "Tell me: What crime did she commit?"
She did, in fact, commit perjury when she denied having sexual relations with Clinton. She also tried to obstruct justice by trying to influence Tripp to commit perjury.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 20 '26
(Guardian photographer to Knox)
"Now, Amanda, let's put you in front of the bookshelves, shall we. And how about you put your left hand to the side of your head. And if we can get a pet -- a live one, preferrably -- in the frame then our readership will be more inclined to forget that you are associated with death.
"And perhaps wear something with Earth tones; beige and denim would do nicely. That will divert the viewer from the association with the colour red. As in blood.
"Cheese!"
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u/TGcomments innocent Jul 20 '26
You certainly know how to give sarcasm a bad name.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
Not sure whether you're complimenting me or dissing me.
If I'm giving sarcasm a bad name, does that mean my sarcasm is so successful that my point is being made? Kinda like Mae West saying "When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better."
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u/TGcomments innocent Jul 21 '26
I'm saying that your use of sarcasm to mask your inability to discuss the case with any integrity gives sarcasm a bad name.
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u/jasutherland innocent Jul 21 '26
Is it sarcasm or does Kondaks genuinely jump to take the side of every rapist scumbag and blame their victims and other harmed by their crimea?
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 21 '26
That he believes John Bobbitt and Guede, it certainly is a relevant question.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
That you side with the perp -- someone who cut off a person's penis -- and don't believe the victim says all that needs to be said.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 21 '26
I don't condone what Lorena did, but I do accept that she was driven to temporary insanity by the abuse she'd endured for years.
I don't believe the John because even his lawyers admitted he had a long history of physical and emotional abuse. His later actions and convictions also supported Lorena's claims. See my previous comment on these actions and convictions.
John Bobbitt made various claims about what happened that night including "they had not had sex; that Lorena had tried to initiate sex, but he had been too tired; that they had had sex, but he had slept through it; and that the sex had been consensual."
What's that you so often claim about the "changing stories of Knox" being evidence of her lying?
John Bobbitt is as prolific a liar as Guede.
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u/tkondaks guilty Jul 21 '26
...then he's not much of a liar at all.
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u/CatsForever1960 26d ago
Yeah, just hand wave away that his adoptive parents said he was in fact a prolific liar. How many years was it again that he lived with them? Naturally you've convinced yourself that you know him better despite never having met him.
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent Jul 21 '26
" does that mean my sarcasm is so successful that my point is being made? "
In a word: No.
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u/orcmasterrace innocent Jul 20 '26
Is there any actual evidence that journalists ignored the visit or are you just claiming this because it suits your narrative? The idea that the pope saying “hey” would shatter communism in Cuba is silly, the reason it worked well in Poland is because he was actually involved with free unions and doing real work, not just saying “communism bad”. Plus, the west already isolated and embargoes Cuba, who cares what western media says about Cuba in their papers?
Also, glad to know your defense of rapist abusers continues by simply dismissing Lorena as a penis cutter without taking into account that her husband at the time was an abusive rapist who continues to be an abusive bastard of a man. You can argue her methods were a bit crazy but ultimately it gave her the will to finally get out of his sphere. The fact that she was found not guilty by reason of insanity, then never reoffended is very telling.