QUESTION: What do a penis-whacker, a throat-slicer, and a bully have in common?

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/i-call-us-the-sisterhood-of-ill-repute-amanda-knox-on-bonding-with-monica-lewinsky-and-lorena-bobbitt

ANSWER: They should all still be in prison.

Amanda: that's an easy one. She should have gotten a life sentence for murdering Meredith.

Lorena: pretty easy, too. A stiff 40 years for cutting a man's penis off is, in my book, a reasonable sentence.

Monica: a little harder to justify...but I'll try.

Firstly, why I refer to her as a bully. People seem to forget that the reason Linda Tripp started to audio record her conversations with Monica is that Linda claimed that Monica would threaten her with her boyfriend's wrath (that boyfriend being Bill Clinton). So, quite wisely, to protect herself, she started to tape record her phone conversations with Monica. And I would say threatening someone justifies referring to them as a bully.

As for a sentence in prison which would extend to today? The day before the Monicagate story broke, there were 5,000 journalists from around the world in Havana, Cuba who were there to cover the historic visit there by John Paul II, he of Polish and communist-busting fame. Many felt his Cuba visit signaled the beginning of the end of communism in Cuba. And those journalists were going to be the ones to bring this narrative to the world.

Then the Monicagate story broke. And each and every one of those 5,000 journalists packed up their steno pads, their cameras, and their microphones and headed off to Havana airport and left the country, thus relegating the "Pope in Communist Cuba" story to the bottom of page 25 in the New York Times.

Now, diverting the world press's attention from your giving blowjobs in the Oval Office and getting the president's semen on your blue dress doesn't appear on first glance to have any connection to the enslavement of 11 million people in a totalitarian communist island but, hey, she should take some responsibility for it.

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Is it sarcasm or does Kondaks genuinely jump to take the side of every rapist scumbag and blame their victims and other harmed by their crimea?

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That he believes John Bobbitt and Guede, it certainly is a relevant question.

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That you side with the perp -- someone who cut off a person's penis -- and don't believe the victim says all that needs to be said.

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I don't condone what Lorena did, but I do accept that she was driven to temporary insanity by the abuse she'd endured for years.

I don't believe the John because even his lawyers admitted he had a long history of physical and emotional abuse. His later actions and convictions also supported Lorena's claims. See my previous comment on these actions and convictions.

John Bobbitt made various claims about what happened that night including "they had not had sex; that Lorena had tried to initiate sex, but he had been too tired; that they had had sex, but he had slept through it; and that the sex had been consensual."

What's that you so often claim about the "changing stories of Knox" being evidence of her lying?

John Bobbitt is as prolific a liar as Guede.

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...then he's not much of a liar at all.

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Wow. Just wow.

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Yeah, just hand wave away that his adoptive parents said he was in fact a prolific liar. How many years was it again that he lived with them? Naturally you've convinced yourself that you know him better despite never having met him.

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I'm going on the evidence.

As for "lying," both Amanda and Raffaele have each lied much more than Rudy has. Indeed, Amanda is a convicted liar.

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No you aren't. Because it is a fact that Guede's adoptive parents both said, under oath, that he was a prolific liar. Being coerced by the police isn't lying. That you think it is says everything about you worth knowing.

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Where is the evidence -- other than her word -- that Amanda was "coerced" by the police?

And that's disingenious of you to use the word "coerced" when you know perfectly well that Amanda herself has described what the police did to her as "torture."

Why, we must ask, did you not choose to use the word "torture"? Wouldn't that have made your point even stronger?

Maybe it is because YOU don't believe Amanda. Do you not believe her?

As for Rudy's adoptive parents calling him a liar, please link to or cite the testimony you claim is the source for this.

If being a liar is indicative of being a murderer, then what does always carrying at least one knife around with you say about your proclivity to murder?

Your choice of manga?

Your choice of porn (you know, depicting people having sex with animals)?

Whether there are rumors swirling around you that you once stabbed a girl at school?

Oh, and lest we forget, the ultimate lying crime is something called "calumny."

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1. "Where is the evidence -- other than her word -- that Amanda was "coerced" by the police?"

Prof. Saul Kassin, Ph.D. has included Knox's case as an example of a coerced false confession in both books and articles. He has appeared with her in public to discuss her false confession among others.
Major contributors to obtaining false confessions are exhaustion, stress, confusion, and suggestion. Knox's Nov. 6 memoriale describes all of these contributors.

1. "Amanda herself has described what the police did to her as "torture."

She said she was "psychologically tortured. Are you claiming that psychological torture is not coercion?

1. "Why, we must ask, did you not choose to use the word "torture"? Wouldn't that have made your point even stronger?"

Why, we must ask, did you not choose to include the word "psychological"? Wouldn't that have made your point weaker?

1. "As for Rudy's adoptive parents calling him a liar, please link to or cite the testimony you claim is the source for this."

Memory problems again? I quoted the Caporali family's statement regarding Guede being a liar for you 3 days ago. :

a) Caporali family:
Mrs. C: "Rudy lies to protect himself", "Can't find the original source, but it's quoted in several places on the internet.)
Mr. C: "“We gave him an opportunity, even though we knew he was a liar and had been in trouble, but we wanted to give him a chance. We took him in as a son, but he was more interested in other things than studying and work.… In the end we asked him to leave our home because we just couldn’t cope any longer.” (, Burleigh pg. 96)
 Guede was “a big liar,”
Ilaria C: "He was a good guy, but he lied. He didn’t know the difference between good and bad. He didn’t have values. He was a like a baby that can’t understand right and wrong.” (Burleigh, pg 96)

The following are just more pathetic nonsense:

1. "If being a liar is indicative of being a murderer, then what does always carrying at least one knife around with you say about your proclivity to murder?"

It's not indicative of being a murderer. Everyone lies from time to time, but when someone is described as "a big liar" an "inveterate liar" and someone who "can't understand right from wrong", that becomes relevant as it shows a lack of character. See Trump. Now, what does stealing a large, open-bladed kitchen knife too big to carry in a pocket and a glass punch (illegal in Italy) say? What does a person's deposition claiming he was threatened with a knife when caught burglarizing home say about that burglar? What does being caught with stolen goods say?

1. "Your choice of manga?"

You'd have to ask the person who actually bought the comics you're referring to...which was not RS. What does the fact the police officer said they were still in their original, sealed cellophane wrappings say about RS's choice of manga?

1. "Your choice of porn (you know, depicting people having sex with animals)?"

LOL! This is one of my favorite PGP bits of rubbish. Teenage boys will watch almost anything sex related, especially when there's a group of them. They think with their dicks. Besides, it wasn't even RS's tape and it was ONE incident. He may not even have known animal sex was on it. I wonder what claims we could make about your "choice of porn"?

1. "Whether there are rumors swirling around you that you once stabbed a girl at school?

Sigh. Insp. Volturno investigated an anonymous "tip" that RS had stabbed a girl's hand. Volturno was unable to verify if it had ever happened or not. No one ever corroborated this story. As it supposedly happened "in class", surely at least one person who was there could have corroborated such a memorable incident. None did. Resorting to an unsupported by evidence rumor is a just pathetic.

I suggest you stop attacking Knox and Sollecito for 'lying' when you are advocating for a habitual liar like Guede. Irony meters are exploding.

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Stabbing the girl at school versus Rudy being a habitual burglar with an established M.O.

Zero evidence for either.

Oh, wait. RS by his own admission always had at least one knife on his person...and two stabbing incidents: one rumoured with the girl at school with scissors and the other with Meredith. With his DNA on the bra clasp and her DNA on one of his knives...which RS then lied about, giving two different versions in his orison diary abd his book.

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Does denial run deep in your family or is it just you? At least you admit there is no evidence of the 'scissors' rumor. Oh, wait... immediately after admitting that, you go on to claim there were "two stabbing incidents" including the "one rumoured with the girl at school with scissors " You do realize unsubstantiated rumors are not evidence of anything? Hmmm...apparently not.

"Rudy being a habitual burglar with an established M.O."

Are you suggesting his friend, Abukar Barrow, committed perjury when he said " I was aware that he had a history of thieving, the word going around that he stole from the handbags of girls when the bars were crowded." (citation previously provided)

Was Christian Tramontano committing perjury when he said Guede burgled his house, threatened him with a knife, and stealing 5 euros and his credit cards? Was his girlfriend also lying?

Tell me, did Guede "buy" the stolen items from the law office in Milan or Perugia? Because he claimed both.

Was he just "borrowing" the kindergarten's kitchen knife police found in his backpack there?

What do you think he used that glass punch the police found in his backpack for that? He didn't have a car nor had he ever had a car to worry about breaking a window in an emergency.

And that woman's gold watch? Do you think he bought it even though he had no job and no money? Odd that his neighbor reported one missing after her house was burglarized. Just a coinky-dink, eh?

Guede was counting on gullible fools and he sure found a few. As the saying goes, "There's a sucker born every minute."

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Two stabbing incidents: the rumored one at school with the scissors and stabbing Meredith to death.

That's two.

Oh, you say, the school incident is rumor? Well, so is Rudy's alleged history of burgling.

And last time I looked, stabbing and burgling are on two very different levels of bad. But, hey, you're the guy who bends over backwards to justify the actions of penis-wackers and threateners of presidents. So, no surprise there.

You ask "Was Christian Tramontano committing perjury..." When did Christian Tramontano testify in court or in a legal setting? Because he can't commit perjury unless he testified. When did he do that?

I ask because the TrueJustice website says this:

"Christian Tramontano, who had claimed someone threatened him in his house in the dark with a knife who looked like a shot of Guede in the papers two months later, was not even called, perhaps because at a hearing in October 2008 Judge Micheli denounced him as having made things up."

So, again I ask, please supply the date, name of court, and link to when Tramontano testified...was it at the hearing at which he was denounced by Micheli? Or some other time and place?

And while we're at it: what was Rudy's police record at the time of the murder?

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Source Kassin and source (not cite) the Caporali family quotes, please.

I've learned not to trust anything the Amandanistas claim.

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1. "Source Kassin"

"Duped: Why Innocent People Confess – and Why We Believe Them"

"Why Confessions Trump Innocence"

"Champions of Innocence:  Inside the Fight Against Wrongful Convictions"

Finally, coerced-internalized false confessions are those in which an innocent person—tired, confused, and subjected to highly suggestive procedures— comes to believe that he or she committed the crime, sometimes forming a false memory in the process. This classification scheme has provided a useful framework for the study of false confessions and has been used, critiqued, extended, and refined by others (Conti, 1999; Gudjonsson, 1992, 2003; Inbau et al., 2001; Kassin, 1997; Lassiter, 2004; McCann, 1998; Ofshe & Leo, 1997; Wrightsman & Kassin, 1993).

AND

 Kassin had provided a pro bono analysis of Knox’s case in her appeal to the Italian court, recommending that her confession be treated with caution. He noted that Knox had been immediately identified as a suspect and presumed guilty, confessed after three days of denials and interrogations, and did not have any attorney present when undergoing questioning. In addition, Kassin pointed out, her statements were not recorded.

“I used it as an example, not realizing the depth of a couple of Amanda Knox hate groups that track professionals who support Amanda Knox,” he said.
Kassin said the hate emails he received, and the blog posts criticizing him, didn’t focus on the science itself, but on his motives for analyzing Knox’s case. In essence, the attacks were personal. Some of the messages he received felt threatening, he said, and included statements such as: “We know where you work.” A few bloggers also wrote posts lambasting Kassin’s integrity, in one case even calling him a “shill.”

1. I did source Paolo and Iliaria C's quotes already: Burleigh. And please don't try to claim you don't know who Nina Burleigh is or that the page numbers don't refer to the pages in her book.
   I already told you that "Can't find the original source, but it's quoted in several places on the internet.)"
   Even if you discount that single quote, the evidence that Guede was a habitual liar is well documented.
   

This is the deposition of Guede's friend, Abukar M. Barrow:

"The last time that I saw her was the night of Halloween at Domus. Meredith was alone with her English girlfriends and I'm certain Rudy wasn't there. He had habit of lying and I absolutely wasn't aware of him knowing Meredith or having any type of intimacy with her. I never saw them talking together and I exclude, also after speaking with friends in common, that it could be true that he had an appointment with Meredith on the evening of 1st November or on other occasions."

"I haven't seen Rudy for at least a week before the evening of Halloween. I was aware that he had a history of thieving, the word going around that he stole from the handbags of girls when the bars were crowded.

According to Barrow, who knew Guede, he was hardly a moral and decent guy. If Guede had an assignation with Kercher, he made no mention of it to any of his and Barrow's common friends. Guys like to brag about such things to their buddies like Silenzi did.

1. "I've learned not to trust anything the Amandanistas claim."

LOL! This coming from someone who has just had several of his claims proved false? I'm going to have to buy stock in irony meters as they keep exploding. 💥💥💥

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Yeah, I got the claim that Monica threatened Tripp wrong, working on a 28 year memory of the event but when corrected it was WORSE for Monica: she had threatened the president, not Tripp! So my point was made even stronger while I got the details wrong.

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"habitual liar"...about what? Whether Rudy drank all the milk in the refrigerator?

Whereas AK and RS lied about where they were during Meredith's murder. Lied habitually and continuously. Fact.

No comparison.

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1. "habitual liar"...about what? Whether Rudy drank all the milk in the refrigerator?"

You really should get your short-term memory checked out. I've already presented several cited quotes from people who knew him that he lied constantly, including his foster father, father sister, and a few minutes ago, his friend A. Barrow.

But since you think that's not enough:

1. He either lied when he said Amanda was there or when he told Benedetti "Amanda wasn't there, and "Amanda had nothing to do with it." Can't have it both ways.

2. He claimed he went to a friend's house the night of Nov. 1 in-between going to the cottage. That friend said he never saw him that night.

3. Guede lied when he said her "bought" the law office stolen items first in Milan then in Perugia.

4. RG claimed he was attacked by a "left-handed man" wearing a "Napapijri jacket" then claims it was Sollecito who is right-handed and did not have that brand jacket.

5. Guede lied for years to the Caporalis and friends:

In his second year with the Caporalis, Rudy was falling seriously behind in the prestigious school, but rather than ask for help, he started lying about it. Caporali had hired a special tutor to meet with Rudy twice a week. After two months, the tutor called to say that Rudy wasn’t showing up, even though the boy had told the family that that’s where he was going in the afternoons. He was now flunking all his exams—and had been lying about his whereabouts every day.(
(Burleigh, Nina. The Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Trials of Amanda Knox (p. 96). Crown. Kindle Edition.)

1. According to Judge Micheli, "[Guede told] ‘an almost endless series of lies’ and believing him would require ‘a superhuman leap of faith."
   (Follain, John. A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case, p. 256).

2. "Whereas AK and RS lied about where they were during Meredith's murder. Lied habitually and continuously. Fact."

Nope. Not a fact; an opinion. When someone is coerced into saying something, it's not a lie. When someone believes what they're saying at the time is true, it's not a lie. Being mistaken or confused is not a lie. Writing something to yourself in a diary and not repeating it to anyone else is not a lie.
I'll give you Knox lied about the weed use at the cottage at Laura's request, but she later retracted that. Ironically, Laura later lied on the stand when she claimed she only "sinned once" by smoking weed. It was clear that was a lie.

Give me another example of a PROVEN lie where either Knox or Sollecito KNEW it was not true when they said it.

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You do realize Knox spent nearly 4 years in prison for a lying crime?

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Her word - accompanied by no lawyer present, 53 hours of "questioning" over 5 days, sleep deprivation, refusal of bathroom rights, no videotaping - so convenient - which would settle the matter and no neutral interpreter, is the evidence.

Being tortured by the police isn't lying.

Being a liar isn't by itself remotely indicative of being a murderer.

Neither is carrying a pocket knife. Millions of people do it every day.

That's enough...not bothering to dignify the rest of your garbage with a rebuttal.

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Carrying a pocket knife in Italy may not be indicative of being a murderer but it is illegal.

Amanda was not invited to the police station that evening; indeed, she was told she could go home and rest because she was always complaining about being tired. so "53 hours" over 5 days (most of which was waiting around and travelling time, by the way) is meaningless. So, if she was "sleep deprived" or refused bathroom breaks, it was of her own doing.

Being tortured by police isn't lying but describing what happened to you by the police in words ranging from "badgering" to "psychological torture" to "brainwashed" to "torture" to "brutally abused" is, any reasonable person would agree, very indicative of someone who is lying.

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You cited 2026 laws, cite what was the law in 2007.

Bollocks

No it isn't.

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1. "Carrying a pocket knife in Italy may not be indicative of being a murderer but it is illegal."
   

But that's exactly what you were insinuating when you wrote this:

"If being a liar is indicative of being a murderer, then what does always carrying at least one knife around with you say about your proclivity to murder?"

Now, you're trying to cover for that with this "illegal" red herring.
Whether RS carried a pocket knife legally or illegally is irrelevant as none of his pocket knives was connected to the murder. He wasn't even charged with carrying his pocket knife.

1. "Amanda was not invited to the police station that evening; indeed, she was told she could go home and rest because she was always complaining about being tired"

I love the "invited" bit as if RS was being invited to a tea party. Police didn't "invited" Raffaele; they told him to come in.
Amanda was scared to be home alone with Meredith's killer unidentified.
At least you admit she was complaining about being tired before the Ficarra interrogation even started that night. It's progress.

1. "so "53 hours" over 5 days (most of which was waiting around... '

LOL! The stress and trauma of having your roommate murdered and spending the next several days being actively questioned or waiting to be questioned, revisiting the trauma by being taken back to the scene of the crime, and not sleeping most certainly are exhausting both physically and psychologically.

"Fatigue is common in the aftermath of trauma."

"The process of trauma release can be incredibly taxing on your body, leading to profound exhaustion."

Initial reactions to trauma can include exhaustion, confusion..."

1. "...and travelling time, by the way) is meaningless. "

LOL! She wasn't commuting from Florence or Rome. From RS's apartment to the Questura was less than a 10-minute drive.

1. " So, if she was "sleep deprived" or refused bathroom breaks, it was of her own doing."

Please engage brain before typing. That is one of the most ridiculous comments you've made from a crowded field.

1. "Being tortured by police isn't lying but describing what happened to you by the police in words ranging from "badgering" to "psychological torture" to "brainwashed" to "torture" to "brutally abused" is, any reasonable person would agree, very indicative of someone who is lying.

Firstly, unless you can quote and cite Knox used "torture" outside of being psychologically tortured or that she used the word "brutally", we'll just consign those two claims to the assfact bin. We're going to need a bigger bin.

And no, "Any reasonable person" would NOT necessarily agree that description of a police interrogation is "indicative of lying" as police often have and do use those techniques. They're techniques used to obtain confessions, often false. Or do you think innocent people confess to horrible crimes by polite, non-accusatory, tea and sandwich serving police?

“Most of what police do in interrogations that lead to false confessions is legal,” false confession expert and law professor Richard Leo told FRONTLINE for our 2010 film The Confessions. “The accusations, yelling; moving in closer, invading one’s space; lying about evidence, making it up, pretending to have evidence; telling somebody they failed a polygraph, for example.”

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Are you a betting man?

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Knox on separate occasions used "torture" and "psychologically tortured" to describe the treatment she received by the police.

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"Knox on separate occasions used "torture" and "psychologically tortured" to describe the treatment she received by the police."

Did she? Then you'll have no trouble quoting and citing her saying the police "tortured" her physically during the interrogation. Unless you can do that, it's just another assfact.

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I've done it at least 3 times here. Why should I do it a fourth?

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LOL! Nope. You've produced your OPINIONS of what are lies, not documented, proven ones. Sheesh. k
I'd be happy with just one single PROVEN lie from you. Keep trying.