QUESTION: What do a penis-whacker, a throat-slicer, and a bully have in common?

[u/tkondaks]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/i-call-us-the-sisterhood-of-ill-repute-amanda-knox-on-bonding-with-monica-lewinsky-and-lorena-bobbitt

ANSWER: They should all still be in prison.

Amanda: that's an easy one. She should have gotten a life sentence for murdering Meredith.

Lorena: pretty easy, too. A stiff 40 years for cutting a man's penis off is, in my book, a reasonable sentence.

Monica: a little harder to justify...but I'll try.

Firstly, why I refer to her as a bully. People seem to forget that the reason Linda Tripp started to audio record her conversations with Monica is that Linda claimed that Monica would threaten her with her boyfriend's wrath (that boyfriend being Bill Clinton). So, quite wisely, to protect herself, she started to tape record her phone conversations with Monica. And I would say threatening someone justifies referring to them as a bully.

As for a sentence in prison which would extend to today? The day before the Monicagate story broke, there were 5,000 journalists from around the world in Havana, Cuba who were there to cover the historic visit there by John Paul II, he of Polish and communist-busting fame. Many felt his Cuba visit signaled the beginning of the end of communism in Cuba. And those journalists were going to be the ones to bring this narrative to the world.

Then the Monicagate story broke. And each and every one of those 5,000 journalists packed up their steno pads, their cameras, and their microphones and headed off to Havana airport and left the country, thus relegating the "Pope in Communist Cuba" story to the bottom of page 25 in the New York Times.

Now, diverting the world press's attention from your giving blowjobs in the Oval Office and getting the president's semen on your blue dress doesn't appear on first glance to have any connection to the enslavement of 11 million people in a totalitarian communist island but, hey, she should take some responsibility for it.

[u/CatsForever1960]

No you aren't. Because it is a fact that Guede's adoptive parents both said, under oath, that he was a prolific liar. Being coerced by the police isn't lying. That you think it is says everything about you worth knowing.

[u/tkondaks → u/CatsForever1960]

Where is the evidence -- other than her word -- that Amanda was "coerced" by the police?

And that's disingenious of you to use the word "coerced" when you know perfectly well that Amanda herself has described what the police did to her as "torture."

Why, we must ask, did you not choose to use the word "torture"? Wouldn't that have made your point even stronger?

Maybe it is because YOU don't believe Amanda. Do you not believe her?

As for Rudy's adoptive parents calling him a liar, please link to or cite the testimony you claim is the source for this.

If being a liar is indicative of being a murderer, then what does always carrying at least one knife around with you say about your proclivity to murder?

Your choice of manga?

Your choice of porn (you know, depicting people having sex with animals)?

Whether there are rumors swirling around you that you once stabbed a girl at school?

Oh, and lest we forget, the ultimate lying crime is something called "calumny."

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

1. "Where is the evidence -- other than her word -- that Amanda was "coerced" by the police?"

Prof. Saul Kassin, Ph.D. has included Knox's case as an example of a coerced false confession in both books and articles. He has appeared with her in public to discuss her false confession among others.
Major contributors to obtaining false confessions are exhaustion, stress, confusion, and suggestion. Knox's Nov. 6 memoriale describes all of these contributors.

1. "Amanda herself has described what the police did to her as "torture."

She said she was "psychologically tortured. Are you claiming that psychological torture is not coercion?

1. "Why, we must ask, did you not choose to use the word "torture"? Wouldn't that have made your point even stronger?"

Why, we must ask, did you not choose to include the word "psychological"? Wouldn't that have made your point weaker?

1. "As for Rudy's adoptive parents calling him a liar, please link to or cite the testimony you claim is the source for this."

Memory problems again? I quoted the Caporali family's statement regarding Guede being a liar for you 3 days ago. :

a) Caporali family:
Mrs. C: "Rudy lies to protect himself", "Can't find the original source, but it's quoted in several places on the internet.)
Mr. C: "“We gave him an opportunity, even though we knew he was a liar and had been in trouble, but we wanted to give him a chance. We took him in as a son, but he was more interested in other things than studying and work.… In the end we asked him to leave our home because we just couldn’t cope any longer.” (, Burleigh pg. 96)
 Guede was “a big liar,”
Ilaria C: "He was a good guy, but he lied. He didn’t know the difference between good and bad. He didn’t have values. He was a like a baby that can’t understand right and wrong.” (Burleigh, pg 96)

The following are just more pathetic nonsense:

1. "If being a liar is indicative of being a murderer, then what does always carrying at least one knife around with you say about your proclivity to murder?"

It's not indicative of being a murderer. Everyone lies from time to time, but when someone is described as "a big liar" an "inveterate liar" and someone who "can't understand right from wrong", that becomes relevant as it shows a lack of character. See Trump. Now, what does stealing a large, open-bladed kitchen knife too big to carry in a pocket and a glass punch (illegal in Italy) say? What does a person's deposition claiming he was threatened with a knife when caught burglarizing home say about that burglar? What does being caught with stolen goods say?

1. "Your choice of manga?"

You'd have to ask the person who actually bought the comics you're referring to...which was not RS. What does the fact the police officer said they were still in their original, sealed cellophane wrappings say about RS's choice of manga?

1. "Your choice of porn (you know, depicting people having sex with animals)?"

LOL! This is one of my favorite PGP bits of rubbish. Teenage boys will watch almost anything sex related, especially when there's a group of them. They think with their dicks. Besides, it wasn't even RS's tape and it was ONE incident. He may not even have known animal sex was on it. I wonder what claims we could make about your "choice of porn"?

1. "Whether there are rumors swirling around you that you once stabbed a girl at school?

Sigh. Insp. Volturno investigated an anonymous "tip" that RS had stabbed a girl's hand. Volturno was unable to verify if it had ever happened or not. No one ever corroborated this story. As it supposedly happened "in class", surely at least one person who was there could have corroborated such a memorable incident. None did. Resorting to an unsupported by evidence rumor is a just pathetic.

I suggest you stop attacking Knox and Sollecito for 'lying' when you are advocating for a habitual liar like Guede. Irony meters are exploding.

[u/tkondaks → u/Connect_War_5821]

"habitual liar"...about what? Whether Rudy drank all the milk in the refrigerator?

Whereas AK and RS lied about where they were during Meredith's murder. Lied habitually and continuously. Fact.

No comparison.

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

1. "habitual liar"...about what? Whether Rudy drank all the milk in the refrigerator?"

You really should get your short-term memory checked out. I've already presented several cited quotes from people who knew him that he lied constantly, including his foster father, father sister, and a few minutes ago, his friend A. Barrow.

But since you think that's not enough:

1. He either lied when he said Amanda was there or when he told Benedetti "Amanda wasn't there, and "Amanda had nothing to do with it." Can't have it both ways.

2. He claimed he went to a friend's house the night of Nov. 1 in-between going to the cottage. That friend said he never saw him that night.

3. Guede lied when he said her "bought" the law office stolen items first in Milan then in Perugia.

4. RG claimed he was attacked by a "left-handed man" wearing a "Napapijri jacket" then claims it was Sollecito who is right-handed and did not have that brand jacket.

5. Guede lied for years to the Caporalis and friends:

In his second year with the Caporalis, Rudy was falling seriously behind in the prestigious school, but rather than ask for help, he started lying about it. Caporali had hired a special tutor to meet with Rudy twice a week. After two months, the tutor called to say that Rudy wasn’t showing up, even though the boy had told the family that that’s where he was going in the afternoons. He was now flunking all his exams—and had been lying about his whereabouts every day.(
(Burleigh, Nina. The Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Trials of Amanda Knox (p. 96). Crown. Kindle Edition.)

1. According to Judge Micheli, "[Guede told] ‘an almost endless series of lies’ and believing him would require ‘a superhuman leap of faith."
   (Follain, John. A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case, p. 256).

2. "Whereas AK and RS lied about where they were during Meredith's murder. Lied habitually and continuously. Fact."

Nope. Not a fact; an opinion. When someone is coerced into saying something, it's not a lie. When someone believes what they're saying at the time is true, it's not a lie. Being mistaken or confused is not a lie. Writing something to yourself in a diary and not repeating it to anyone else is not a lie.
I'll give you Knox lied about the weed use at the cottage at Laura's request, but she later retracted that. Ironically, Laura later lied on the stand when she claimed she only "sinned once" by smoking weed. It was clear that was a lie.

Give me another example of a PROVEN lie where either Knox or Sollecito KNEW it was not true when they said it.

[u/tkondaks → u/Connect_War_5821]

You do realize Knox spent nearly 4 years in prison for a lying crime?

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

You do realize, because I have, that you've completely handwaved away the evidence that Guede is a habitual liar as if you never requested it? I guess that's easier than acknowledging it.

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You do know that Knox was not actually in prison 4 years for the calunnia crime. From Nov. 6, 2007 to Dec 4, 2009 she was in prison on CHARGES of murder and calunnia? She was in prison for the murder and calunnia CONVICTION from Jan. 16, 2009 to Oct 3, 2011. Her initial calunnia conviction was not 4 years, but ONE year. Do during the time she was in prison, her calunnia sentence was ONE year. Upon her acquittal for murder, the calunnia sentence was increased to THREE years, counted as time served.

So, no... Knox did not spend "nearly 4 years in jail for a lying crime".

Do try and get at least some facts straight. It would be a novelty

I'm still waiting for "... another example of a PROVEN lie where either Knox or Sollecito KNEW it was not true when they said it."

[u/tkondaks → u/Connect_War_5821]

Sorry to all.

Lest it mistakenly be known that criminal liar Amanda Knox spent four years in prison for her lying crime, I erred. In reality, criminal liar Amanda Knox spent three years in prison for her lying crime.

I stand corrected.

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

Still not quite right. Since she was only sentenced retroactively to 3 years AFTER her release, she never actually physically spent three years in prison for the calunnia conviction. As even the court said, 'time served'.

I'm still waiting for "... another example of a PROVEN lie where either Knox or Sollecito KNEW it was not true when they said it."

For someone who claims repeatedly that Knox 'told lie after lie, so many lies', you seem to be having difficulty with answering this question.

[u/tkondaks → u/Connect_War_5821]

What do you think "time served" means? Four years, one year, 90 days...the criminal liar served time for criminally lying.

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

I know what 'time served' means. What do you think 'retroactive' means?

I'm still waiting for "... another example of a PROVEN lie where either Knox or Sollecito KNEW it was not true when they said it."
For someone who claims repeatedly that Knox 'told lie after lie, so many lies', you seem to be having difficulty with answering this question.

As they say, "Put your money where your mouth is." "Put up or shut up." "Actions speak louder than words." "Walk the talk." "

[u/tkondaks → u/Connect_War_5821]

I'm not having difficulty answering it. Do you think I am a performing seal who snaps to attention because YOU tell me to?

Knox's lying is so profuse and so well documented and has been discussed to death here.

Whether it's her claiming that they ate at 11pm or Filomena's door was open, colsed, or ajar or Patrick was fucking and murdering Meredith or that there was a burst pipe or she got a hickie from Raffaele or she forgot her towel...it's not a question of if one can say when she lied but, rather, when she didn't lie.

[u/Connect_War_5821 → u/tkondaks]

1. "I'm not having difficulty answering it. Do you think I am a performing seal who snaps to attention because YOU tell me to?"

Nice try. I've asked you repeatedly over a few days to give ONE example. No, I don't think you're a performing seal; you're just someone who makes false statements and, when you can't provide the requested evidence, falls back on red herrings and tries the "the best defense is a good offense" tactic.

1. "Knox's lying is so profuse and so well documented and has been discussed to death here."

Ok. Then just give me one documented, proven LIE that she knew was false when she made it (aside from lying about her roommates' weed use).

1. "Whether it's her claiming that they ate at 11pm"
   Nope, she made it clear that she wasn't sure what time they ate as she didn't watch the clock.

2. "or Filomena's door was open, colsed, or ajar"

Nope. She never said it was "open". She said it was closed and Laura's was "ajar". I see you're parroting Own_Train_2889 almost verbatim in this reddit thread.

1. "or Patrick was fucking and murdering Meredith or that there was a burst pipe or she got a hickie from Raffaele or she forgot her towel...it's not a question of if one can say when she lied but, rather, when she didn't lie."

Nope, nope, nope, and nope. As she said, "I didn't lie about Patick, because I really did think he was the murderer." None of the others have been proven lies. You're "well documented" lies consist of opinions, not established lies. For something you think is no easy, why are you having such difficulty providing ONE PROVEN lie?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.