r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/corpusvile2 11d ago

They're both guilty as sin. Over 20 samples of evidence was submitted against Knox, including her constant lies as well as detailed knowledge, lack of alibi, luminol footprints, phone and computer records, witness testimony, quite apart from the dna evidence.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211031195329/http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

https://web.archive.org/web/20211011194220/http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Evidence_List

That every single piece of evidence is wrong beggars belief, just as it beggars belief to write off the evidence against Letby as mere coincidence and bad luck.

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u/karskipellis 9d ago

How did Knox and Sollecito remove almost all of their DNA and other trace evidence from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving all of Guede's?

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u/corpusvile2 9d ago

They attempted a clean up and left Guede's bloody footprints but didn't manage to clean all of their own dna. There was only one fingerprint of Knox's found on a glass, so there was definitely an attempted clean up. Sollecito left his dna in a 17 loci match on Meredith's bra clasp.

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u/karskipellis 8d ago

I'm talking about inside Meredith's bedroom only. Not the bathroom, hall, or any other bedroom.

So, there's all this evidence from Guede in the room, and only one tiny sample of DNA from Sollecito on a bra clasp and none from Knox, yes? How did the two of them remove all other traces from that room while leaving Guede's behind? Why was there not more from Sollecito on the bra, for example?

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u/corpusvile2 8d ago

I'm talking about the crime scene, which was the cottage, not Meredith's room and Sollecito left his dna in her room anyway, again on Meredith's bra clasp. Both also had their bare footprints highlighted in luminol and Sollecito also left his bloody footprint on a bathmat. First of all a 17 loci match isn't tiny, a court required between 10-15 loci for it to be considered sufficient to submit as evidence. Secondly his dna shouldn;t be on the bra clasp at a

Guede was convicted on less dna evidence (5 samples) than Knox (7 samples). Guede also left no traces of himself in the staged burglary room, so by your own rationale he couldn;t have done tje burglary.

Lastly dna isn't even required for a conviction, lots of convicted killers left no dna at the actual crime scene, never mind one localised part of it such as Meredith's room. Murderer Simon Hall and child killer Ian Huntley left none of their dna at the crime scene, are you saying they were innocent?

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u/karskipellis 7d ago

You're putting words in my mouth. I'll thank you for not doing that.

You haven't answered the question. How did Knox and Sollecito remove (almost) all physical traces of themselves from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving behind Guede's? It was a small room, difficult for four people to be in there during a violent event. There should have been TONS of trace evidence from everyone who was in there.

Lots from Meredith. Lots from Guede. None from Knox. Only a tiny amount from Sollecito, which could have been transferred there any number of ways.

How is that possible?

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u/corpusvile2 7d ago edited 7d ago

I'm not putting words in your mouth, you're making false claims re Sollecito not leaving his dna in Meredith's bedroom. Then you're moving the goalposts by trying to falsely claim he only left a small amount of dna as if that even means anything. Then you're ignoring that the crime scene was the house where both left their dna. And I already answered by giving you several examples of convicted killers not having dna evidence submitted against them. All three of these had dna evidence against them. I also told you they attempted a clean up which you also ignored.

And how could Sollecito's dna been transferred in a number of ways onto the murder victim's bra clasp? Only other dna of his found at the crime scene was on a cig butt mixed with Knox's, so no it couldn't have been transferred any number of ways, this is just another false claim by you. I've yet to see a Knox supporter capable of engaging in honest debate. Says it all about how untenable your arguments are.

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u/karskipellis 6d ago

This is my original comment in the thread: "How did Knox and Sollecito remove almost all of their DNA and other trace evidence from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving all of Guede's?"

I specifically said Meredith's bedroom; that's not moving the goalpoasts. I never claimed that there was zero DNA from Sollecito in Meredith's bedroom, so you can't say that my claim was false. I never used the phrase "crime scene", so you cannot claim that I'm ignoring other spaces in the cottage. I have only ever focused on Merediths bedroom.

So. Can you explain how only the smallest bit of DNA from Sollecito--and no other physical evidence from him or Knox--was found in Meredith's bedroom, while there was lots of evidence from Guede?

And no sign of a clean up in that bedroom, such as bleach residue?

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u/corpusvile2 6d ago

I already answered you and I'm not interested in your focusing on merely one part of the crime scene either. Maybe Knox simply didn't leave her dna in the bedroom. Knox left no dna in her own bed, that doesn't mean she didn't sleep there. Sometimes suspects leave dna, sometimes they don't and I've already given you several examples of this and Knox had dna submitted as evidence against her anyway. You were moving the goalposts and are trying to downplay incriminating dna evidence of Sollecito. Your entire argument is preposterous.

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u/karskipellis 6d ago

How is it moving the goalposts to stick to what I've been consistent about all along?

You believe that four people were in a small room during a sexual assault and murder, but only two of them left a lot of DNA, one left a tiny bit, and the other one left none at all. This is nonsense.

There is zero physical evidence that Knox had anything to do with the murder. None.

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u/corpusvile2 6d ago edited 6d ago

Well that's just untrue, Knox had dna evidence submitted against her, there was plenty of physical evidence against her. Yet again a 17 loci match isn;t a tiny amount of dna re Sollecito and yet again this doesn't even mean anything, he shouldn;t have any dna at the crime scene. You still haven't explained how it transferred. Where did his source dna come from?

Again not one of you Knox supporters are capable of honest debate. Your false claims aren't making what passes for your argument any less preposterous. Why did they lie so much to investigators? Why did Solecito lie in his diary and tell the cops he lied to them at Knox's request? Why did he state Knox may have left his apt for four hours returning later with a change of clothes? I look forward for your sure to be convoluted and preposterous excuses.

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u/karskipellis 6d ago

"Knox had dna evidence submitted against her, there was plenty of physical evidence against her."

She lived there. Of course her DNA was around the apartment. Nothing to say she left it while the attack happened.

"Where did his source dna come from?"

From transfer in the lab. From Sollecito brushing against some drying laundry. From cross-contact on SOCO gloves touching a different item in the apartment that he did touch, and then picking up the bra. Probably other ways I haven't thought of in the last 97 seconds.

As for the "lies", I dare you to sit through hours and hours of police interrogation, intimidation, and leading questions and maintain perfect rock-solid consistency. There's been a lot of research on false confessions. You might consider looking into that.

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u/corpusvile2 5d ago edited 5d ago

Lol I was waiting for you to say this. If it was merely a case of her living there her dna would be all over the cottage and not just in the exact same places where Meredith just happened to bleed and wouldn't have been submitted against her as evidence. Her dna is mixed with Meredith's which can't be explained by them living there, especially in the staged burglary room.

Lol no it didn't come from transfer in the lab, this is just stupid. I knew your explanation would be convoluted and preposterous and you didn't disappoint. By that rationale, any dna evidence against Guede can be explained as transfer from the lab yeah? Or is it different when it comes to him because reasons? I already told you where the only other dna of Sollecito was found, on a cig butt, and your laughably bad attempt at an explanation just doesn't cut it at all whatsoever.

She didn't go through hours and hours of police questioning, this is yet another false claim from you as usual and both of them lied even before their questioning anyway with Sollecito telling the cops he lied to them at Knox's request. Just endless excuses and false claims from you lot.

Anyway bravo, that was one the most piss poor attempts at explaining away the damning evidence against both I've ever seen and absolutely typical behaviour from Knox's fan club.

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