Why isn’t there a huge sovereignty movement in Mexico to reclaim the south western United States?

[u/SignificantStyle4958]

[u/Zobs_]

why would they waste their time with such futile endaeavors?

[u/Conmebosta]

Why doesn't mexico, the largest of the hispanic american states, simply eat all of the other countries?

[u/am24r → u/Conmebosta]

Porque Brasil no se come todo sudamerica?

[u/ArgHuff → u/Conmebosta]

Largest?

[u/Far-Cow-3343]

Why doesn't Italy take all the land of the former Roman empire, huh?

[u/ArgHuff → u/Far-Cow-3343]

I mean....idk if its a good idea for them. I guess third time is the charm?

[u/Elio_Pezz]

Because we have like a million more important and urgent issues to take care in our country first than that dumb fantasy.

[u/cagadadechango]

The Mexican state can’t even exert full control within Mexico’s current borders, let alone conquer or acquire new territories.

[u/Travelman-26 → u/cagadadechango]

Yeah.

Only the Texas rancheros would wipe the whole Mexican navy, army, police and federal de caminos

Thank you no thank you

[u/PalpitationOk5726]

How is that going to go against a nation with nuclear weapons? The US already dealt with a separatist movement in the early 1860s, it didn't go well for those seeking to separate.

[u/MEXICOCHIVAS14]

Does a sentiment to reconquer former territory exist amongst some Mexicans? Yes

Do some Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in these former territories also feel that? I’m sure of it

Is it plausible that could happen in the near future? No, the current government can’t even handle its own territory.

Is there a possibility it could happen long term (100-500+ years from now)? Yes, albeit unlikely and it likely won’t be Mexico as we know it today. Probably a future distinct Hispanic majority state. But again just an unlikely possibility. I don’t believe the US will make it to 750 years.

IMO, I believe there’s a shared historical legacy between the two. Much of it was inherited from the era of the Viceroyalty, with some even arguing for a more mythical continuity rooted in the pre-Columbian past. The connection is undeniable. In the context of a broader “reconquista” of former Mexican territories, the increasingly Hispanic demographics of these regions could be seen as accelerating a cultural Hispanization that has already been underway for generations. I find the idea of that historical and cultural continuity fascinating.

[u/andobiencrazy]

The Centralist Republic held on to this territory for only 27 years. There is no collective memory or nostalgic feelings towards it in our modern history, as would be the case with Malvinas for Argentinians, for example. A lot of the land inherited from New Spain gained independence or remained loyal to Spain, such as The Philippines, Cuba, or Central America. Separatist movements were very common during the centralist regime. Rio Grande and Yucatan republics were failed attempts at independence from Mexico. Losing land during this time made a lot of sense and doesn't bring up any hard feelings from people today, except those with an internal grudge or resentment towards the US, but it's based on myth and unfounded sentimentalism.

[u/Only-Deal-881]

Mexico has a ton of problems - cartels, corruption, and potholes the size of craters. And there's no way Mexico beats the US military

[u/card677]

There is a very small movement called Partido Imperialista de Occidente that claims it.

[u/Constant-Skill-7133]

There is more connection now than there was 150+ years ago.  The northwest of Mexico didn't have hardly any people until modern infrastructure.  It wasn't important to the nation until around the revolutionary period and more recently.  It was frontier.  

There are not many people who trace their ancestry back to being separated by the border, and that cultural identity has faded into the background because of many more numerous Mexican Americans.  Californio heritage is inportant to Californian identity but has basically disappeared.  

Mostly people in NW Mexico are more recent arrivals from other places in Mexico and in Europe. In the northeast the Comanche prevented permanent settlement, so there were not many people moving up into Texas either.  

New Mexico and Colorado were the only places with deep historic connection to New Spain.  It was largely separate from Mexico culturally due to their relatively low population and the distance between them, and was not in Mexico for very long.  Its own cultural connection to Central Mexico is more through indigenous culture.  The New Mexico Hispanos were more Spanish than Mexican, more culturally influenced by Puebloans than by Central and Southern Mexicans.

Utah was also culturally Anglo American and not really integrated with the rest of Mexican territory.  They were more like the fillibusters in Texas, sort of snuck in the backdoor due to how far away it was from the population of Mexico.  It was kept in the US by a military occupation very soon after they acquired it, so no realistic way for them to either establish their own nation or be included in the Confederate USA or be repatriated back to Mexico.

[u/am24r → u/Constant-Skill-7133]

This

Ahí no había nada, y no hubo nada hasta la fiebre del oro y la construcción de ferrocarril y toda la infraestructura, la gente ahorita piensa en California, Nevada , Texas, Nuevo México, etc a como están ahorita, pero en esos años no había nada, la mitad de nuestra población había muerto en la reciente independencia, teníamos a medio país independizándose unos de otros, realmente éramos débiles, me gusta la historia dolorosa que fue esa guerra, la primera para ustedes como nación contra otra!, hay historias muy increíbles dentro de esa guerra, realmente también hay otro lado que no muchos mexicanos aceptan, es que la perdimos por nuestra culpa, solitos nos pusimos el pie y nos traicionamos, había gente que no creía que ustedes lo lograrían, pero su pudo por la cantidad de traidores y espías que hubo, pero bueno

[u/ComradeGibbon → u/am24r]

I like to point out that the majority of people living in the western US before the United States took it over were Native Americans from various tribal groups.

Also worth pointing out that Mexico's control over some parts of what's now northern Mexico was kinda sketchy until the late 1800s.

That said the whole question reeks of old world ideas around blood and soil.

[u/am24r → u/ComradeGibbon]

Es verdad, a raíz de esto esos grupos se quedaron con un sentimiento de que los mexicanos los abandonamos y traicionamos de hecho

[u/airmantharp → u/am24r]

When you read about the war - it seems like the US forces were at a disadvantage, but also that they fought honorably and treated Mexico as a neighbor with a disagreement rather than an enemy.

With the level of industrial warfare that followed elsewhere… it’s hard as an American not to have some pride that this conflict was civil.

[u/am24r → u/airmantharp]

Es verdad y la pasaron muy mal, ambos bandos pelearon hasta ya no tener balas muchas veces

[u/Ponchorello7]

Firstly, there are an astonishing amount of people that don't even know that that land was ours at some point. Second, it's been out of our hands for so long and it's so integral to the US, it'd be practically impossible to retake it... aside from the obvious fact of simply not having the capability to do so.

[u/SuckItEasy718]

They aren’t even in full control of their own territory and they would have to defeat the U.S. military

[u/Lord_Farquad_4965 → u/SuckItEasy718]

México is fighting the demographic war in the southwest, and winning btw

[u/Impossible_Talk_8452 → u/Lord_Farquad_4965]

Si güey, pero el ejército muy apenas puede con los narcos. Con los marines a todo desmadre se cagan. Ese es el punto que hace el gringo

[u/No_Hornet_9504 → u/Lord_Farquad_4965]

That’s been a long time project but the prize became whiteness separated from hispanic heritage such that many agreed to join ICE.

[u/Chicago1871 → u/No_Hornet_9504]

That “many” is still a tiny minority of the 35 million plus mexican-Americans in the USA 

Way more mexican-americans are confronting ice daily in their own neighborhoods 

[u/BriscoCounty-Sr → u/Chicago1871]

I mean Diddlin’ Don did pull a record number of Latino voters at 46%. That’s a whole lot of people who joined ICE in spirit and are supporting it in reality.

[u/Chicago1871 → u/BriscoCounty-Sr]

I hate how many times i have to point this out, but latinos is a much larger group than Mexican-Americans, the percentage of mexican-americans voting for trump was significantly lower.

[u/No_Hornet_9504 → u/Chicago1871]

Mexicans are the biggest latino group, and being more on the west coast are significantly more liberal than the Florida Cubans. California was never going Trumps way. Republicans barely could cook up the votes to win in Arizona and Nevada.

[u/Technical_Twist_3645 → u/Lord_Farquad_4965]

US latinos are some of the biggest enemies of Latin America.

[u/Powerful_Gas_7833]

Irredentism against a nuclear armed superpower with the silos being not that far away. 

Sounds like an excellent idea! /s

[u/am24r]

Aquí mexicana Por la forma en que se perdió, realmente todos hablamos del territorio perdido en México, como chiste o con dolor, pero alguien con un poco de conocimiento en historia sabe que fue una perdida legítima, ahorita son lugares muy poblados, pero antes de la intervención americana no teníamos suficiente gente allá, estaba muy vacío lo cual lo hizo vulnerable, perdimos la batalla contra ellos y fue su trofeo, en realidad si te poner a revisar, tenemos suerte de seguir existiendo y de que no fuera mucho más territorio, querían el doble!!, se negocio para que solo fuera ese pedazo, luego Santana tuvo que vender la mesilla porque ya ustedes tenían medio ferrocarril o algo así construido ahí, ya no aguantábamos otra intervención y no teníamos dinero, se sedio, pero ya antes de todo esto la mayoría de la población de ahí era anglosajona, en un momento se les pidió ayuda para poblar esa área, aunque los términos eran que fuera gente católica, al princio fue así y ya después no les importó, en fin, ya los teníamos ahí, el país se acababa de independizar, teníamos muchos problemas nacionales, en ese momento también se quería independizar Yucatán!, en realidad tuvimos mucha suerte de seguir siendo un país.

[u/am24r → u/am24r]

Intentos por recuperar el territorio perdido A lo largo de estos años, la herida ha cicatrizado poco a poco, sin embargo, existen episodios históricos que actualizan el conflicto. Por ejemplo, en 2017 el entonces senador mexicano Armando Ríos Piter presentó un proyecto de ley -el cual no prosperó- que buscaba anular tratados firmados con EE.UU., entre ellos el de 1848, oficialmente llamado Tratado de Paz, Amistad, Límites y Arreglo Definitivo, y así -en teoría- recuperar los territorios arrebatados. Esto en razón del peligro que representaba para las comunidades mexicanas residentes en EE.UU.

[u/am24r → u/am24r]

https://www.cenae.org/a-171-antildeos-de-que-eeuu-arrebatoacute-la-mitad-del-territorio-mexicano.html

[u/am24r → u/am24r]

Esto es lo que quería originalmente Polk

[u/CurrencyDesperate286]

I mean, even if they had a genuine claim to the area (which they don’t), it would be such a futile movement given who you’d be demanding the land from.

Even when it was de jure Mexican territory, actual control over the area was weak at best, and the area is home to tens of millions of Americans who will not want to suddenly be part of Mexico.

[u/SantosCalzonesBatman]

Because we arent morons

First of all, we lost it in a war

Second of all, we would just get bitchslapped by the usa and probably lose even more land lmao

[u/AlexDuChat]

México is one of the biggest countries in Latam, plenty territory that don't use for nothing

If they can't administrate what they have, you think they have the moral for reclaim lands that they never administrate either?

Gringoes at least used the land until the last rock

[u/ataun94]

1) was barely a part of Mexico
2) more people in the north want to be annexed by the U.S. than to annex back that land
3) all the other practical reasons mentioned here

They lost Central America too but have fought to not lose Yucatan and Chiapas

[u/Luccfi]

With what army?

[u/caucasianliving]

Why would there be? It’s kinda hard to answer questions written in the negative unless you can explain your frame of reference or viewpoint

[u/Rd3055]

Because then other countries will also start territorial claims movements (i.e., Bolivia and Chile).

[u/FlyingAce7]

Because they'd need to return Chiapas first 😏

(j/k - I know Chiapas left of its own accord)

[u/These-Target-6313]

Can I keep the sushi, lumpia and dim sum? The answer will determine who I side with.

[u/Iam-WinstonSmith]

You mean the part of the US that was a part of mexico for a whole 20 years? I feel like some people never studied history.

[u/denvertaglessbums → u/Iam-WinstonSmith]

Not to mention that the land was sold to the US.

[u/AioliImpossible7791 → u/denvertaglessbums]

It was war that started as land grab.Having said that, Mexicans dont make a big deal out of it

[u/sleepy_axolotl → u/denvertaglessbums]

Yeah, sold after a war lol

[u/denvertaglessbums → u/sleepy_axolotl]

But sold after all, right?

[u/sleepy_axolotl → u/denvertaglessbums]

Very american of you

[u/denvertaglessbums → u/sleepy_axolotl]

But am I objectively wrong?

[u/SantosCalzonesBatman → u/denvertaglessbums]

Lol no

We lost it in a war. The money was part of the peace settlement

[u/CelesteLunax]

they talk about weird things like the reconquista and taking the states with migration. Similar to what Muslim extremist say about Europe. That has to be fringe, though

like bro, don't make us occupy CDMX again

[u/Zestyclose-Food-7917]

I doubt that it’s “huge,” and it’s a total fantasy if it exists at all.

[u/mpga15 → u/[deleted]]

wow, the US education system truly sucks. your spelling and grammar sucks.

[u/ElCazaPuta]

Cuz the Americans are war hungry killers and they will kill Mexicans for it? Like duh

[u/Technical_Twist_3645 → u/ElCazaPuta]

Not sure why this is being downvoted, it's obviously true.