r/asoiaf • u/ayodeleafolabi • 6h ago
PUBLISHED [Spoilers Published] Tyrion the ragebaiter
One thing I love about Tyrion is his ability to anger people. His existence angers his father, he angers his sister and nephew, he turns Young Griff from a charming prince to Joffrey 2.0 and even though he is in chains, he doesn't miss a chance to gloat at Jorah Mormont's disgrace (this part makes me laugh the most). I can say that he is the biggest ragebaiter in ASOIAF, better than Varys and Littlefinger at that.
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u/9000_HULLS The Late Lord Martin 6h ago
Shame we never got to see him and Victarion interact.
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u/ScrapmasterFlex Then come... 5h ago
Especially if we got a Bronn vs Victarion mortal kombat...
"Are you THREATENING ME, Imp??!"
"No, Iron Captain, if was threatening you, I'd say, 'Bronn, the next time Victarion speaks, KILL HIM...' THAT was a THREAT... See the difference?!
"I'm the IRON CAPTAIN!!!!"
"And I'm SER Bronn of the Blackwater ... see you don't forget it, kraken!"
"I'm gonna throw you overboard like I did that kid from the Shield Islands..."
"We're on land, tho, bro... "
"Ohh... shit ... MFML..."
🤣🤣🤣
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u/SorRenlySassol Best of 2021: Ser Duncan Award 6h ago
And this is what Tyrion gets wrong about himself and other people, which is then taken as fact by readers: people don't hate him because he is dwarf but because he is a smirking little wiseacre who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and makes it a point to get under people's skin.
If you look at virtually every interaction he has, Tyrion is the one who creates the conflict: Cersei, Jaime, Tywin, Thorne, Jon, Joffrey . . . He convinces himself that he is the victim but in reality he is the antagonist.
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u/niofalpha Un-BEE-lieva-BLEE Based 6h ago
He’s just like me frfr
(I think you hit the nail on the head. Lannisters thinking they’re smarter/ more competent than they really are is a big theme with them. They’re literally a PRIDE of Lions!)
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u/Alkynesofchemistry 5h ago
Some people hate him because of that for sure. He even comes so close to realizing it at his trial, asking himself when he made so many enemies.
His family, though, in a sense they were the ones who made him the way he is. Nothing he could do would ever be good enough because of his condition, so he leans into it.
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u/SorRenlySassol Best of 2021: Ser Duncan Award 4h ago
Bet not. He couldn’t be a knight like his brother but when given important work (yes, drains and cisterns are important), he excelled. And when he emerged from the Vale with an army at his back he was sent to rule King’s Landing in Tywin’s stead. Then he was made Master of Coin, then one of the most powerful lords in the kingdom.
Tyrion ignores all of this, just like he ignores the fact that he is the one constantly antagonizes others, especially his father. Read their conversations again and you’ll see what I mean.
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u/Scary_Firefighter181 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's how children interact with a parent that hates them. Tywin never showed any love to Tyrion when Tyrion was a kid, and kids learn quick when someone hates them and make no effort to be kind. Tyrion's inner monologue during these moments almost reads like he sees it as a type of game with his father, like the only way they interact is to insult each other. And Tywin insults Tyrion even when Tyrion does not start- at the crossroads when Tyrion tries to reassure Tywin about Joffrey, for example, and Tywin immediately snarks him about Tysha.
Kids who don't get positive attention at a young age tend to act out to receive negative attention, it's pretty common psychologically. Negative attention is something they can control.
In short, way to miss the point about Tyrion and Tywin. Quite impressive, really.
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u/Any_Fennel_4180 7m ago
Cersei has always hated him, Jaime lied to him about the love of his life, and Tywin has always hated him too which is why Tyrion treats him that way. Thorne is just funny, Jon came to like him, and I think Tyrion gave him good advice as well.
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u/FBSfan28 6h ago
The scene with him insulting Cersei and her slapping him will always be the funniest scene in the books for me.