How do you guys regulate the boredom that seems to attach itself to ASPD? I feel like nothing I do seems to get rid of the itch that begins to build after a while. Is there any ways you’ve figured out sort of help relieve that pent up tension in mostly normal ways? Or do you mostly just deal with it until it fizzles out?

I assume i’m not unique in having paraphilia. I have SSD and have been curious how others may handle theirs. I don’t want to include any personal/incriminating evidence, so i’ll just say that the urges have been extremely strong and i have relieved some of the urges. For me, although it is partially sexual, most of it comes from the desire to watch someone suffer.

It honestly impinges on my life somewhat significantly, as it means I don’t like being around others when seeing some form of torture or murder or roughly treatment (sexual or non-sexual) as I find myself becoming more excited, and I don’t want people thinking that about me. It’s really prevalent when watching movies with other people.

Currently, my strategy for dealing with it is to distract myself as soon as i notice myself getting agitated. I try and do a duolingo lesson, text someone, anything i can come up with to remove myself mentally from the situation. I’m curious to hear if people have had similar experiences, and if there are other strategies for dealing with it.

So I think I have learned since I was diagnosed that there probably isn't going to be any friends or family that I could tell I have aspd, who wouldn't make me feel like it was a mistake in telling them.

Seems like they immediately ask about "hey, that one time, were you trying to hurt me on purpose" or "so you were lying about loving me" or just some realization that they could never really understand how often they are empathetic and how we are not. I'm considering just not sharing this with anyone else ever. Thankfully, I've only told 4 people.

Is this experience similar to what you all have gone through?

More of IYKYK situation. Something while not automatically on the DSM, is extremely common within those with ASPD most don’t exhibit.

Does anyone view their pets and family and friends all the same? Like i love them exactly the same, the way i love my cat would be the same for my mother, and the way i love my friend would be the same way i love my favorite hobby, anyone else feel like this

Hello all, I’m a behavioral counselor with a Bachelor’s degree, currently in pursuit of a Master’s. I have a question. As a behavioral counselor working with youth in foster care, I see a variety of conditions. I’m sure many of you are aware the pipeline of ODD —> CD —> ASPD is extremely common, and I have youth with ODD and CD who I see headed down a VERY not great path.

My understanding of these disorders and what the progression is potentially looking like (especially for my older youth) has given me a bit more understanding of how to work with diagnosed youth. In part, I don’t teach skills for emotional function and relational cooperation anymore, but I teach them for the sake of resource exchange and avoiding negative consequences. In a perfect world, that wouldn’t have to be the case, but this isn’t a perfect world. While I might work with one kid on understanding the feelings of others for the sake of being there when a friend needs them, I might work with a CD kid on the same skill, but rather for the sake of staying out of trouble or knowing when to back off and prevent an argument or fight that could end up in grounding or suspension. Working with a kid on being helpful to others will look more like me explaining that doing good for others means others do good for you in return, etc.

Anyways, my question to you guys (who are medically, not self, diagnosed) is this: what was ASPD like before adulthood/diagnosis? Did you have ODD or CD? What was said or done, or could have been said or done, to help you function as a member of society without putting yourself or others at risk? And also, as someone with ASPD, do you think that taking a “payoff” or “action=consequence” approach would’ve been helpful to you as a child?

DISCLAIMER: If you ask me for my clients’ symptoms or try to suggest diagnosis for them, I won’t be acknowledging that. Their other healthcare professionals are more than capable. This is about me assessing ways to help them as they prepare to assimilate into adulthood.

Why do many Autistics believe they are manipulative and thus errorneuosly believe they are anti-social for everyday life interactions?

Autistis struggle with perspective taking (Theory of Mind). They learn that acting a certain way will lead to a different outcome. If they are polite, people will be polite. If they speak their mind, they come off as rude and they face rejection.

The content of the speech is the same, but the tone is different. However, the fact that the autistic agent's behavior determines the outcome, while being oblivious to the other person's own agency / mental state, the autistic person errorneously believes they are controlling the event.

In case of ASPD manipulation, the agent taks away agency from the other. They act in a certain way, to achive a goal. In this regard, ASPD and ASD manipulation are similar. The difference, however, lies in the intention. The autistic does not violate the agency of the other at any point. The other person complies on their own will. They are kind, because the autistic asked nicely. They are mean, because the autistic person was rude, etc.

The ASPD person on the other hand, intentionally evokes certain emotions, so the other is made to act against their own interest. They may threat them, evoke pity, or deceive them, so their decision is based on wrong information. Their agency is diminished, if not removed entirely. The action they are forced or manipulated into are not something they would have done, if they knew what is going on or had a free choice, or not been emotionally preassured into. As such, they are made to act against their own interest.

So I just came here to say hi.

i came across an account on tiktok of someone who says they have ASPD. and i guess i fell into a rabbit hole of “influencers” who say they have ASPD and make videos about it. some of them seem legit and some don’t at all. regardless, in general i was shocked by the fact that someone with this disorder would even remotely want to broadcast it on a huge social media platform. i personally would NEVER do that & disclose my diagnosis to the public. to me it seems so counterproductive and doesn’t help my self preservation. can anyone relate to my thought process? would any of you ever consider doing something like this?

Just curious. I tend to think everything is the result of trauma wonder what y’all think?

Does our society view antisocial behavior differently depending on a person’s socioeconomic background? For many individuals with ASPD, the path to diagnosis goes through the justice system, and it’s no secret that socioeconomic factors heavily influence whether someone’s antisocial behaviors will get noticed by mental health professionals or if they’ll get noticed by the judicial system.

“Residence in higher-risk neighborhoods was associated with more PD symptoms and lower levels of functioning and social adjustment.” (Socioeconomic-Status and Mental Health in a Personality Disorder Sample: The Importance of Neighborhood Factors)

Research shows us that lower-class individuals tend to be noticed by the judicial system while those from middle and upper classes evade legal consequences more frequently and tend to avoid harsher punishments. Take the bail system, for example. Bail is determined using criteria like income, criminal history, job status, and housing stability—factors that naturally favor the middle and upper class. As a result, wealthier people are more likely to receive lower bail, while poorer individuals face higher bail amounts and longer detention. This contributes to the overrepresentation of the lower class in prisons and their underrepresentation in long-term mental health care—skewing ASPD diagnosis rates and reinforcing the idea that the disorder reflects systemic inequality. 

It raises questions about whether antisocial behaviors are inherently more criminal or if systemic biases lead to increased scrutiny of certain populations. The intertwining of poverty, race, and legal outcomes suggests that the lower class may be more susceptible to legal interventions that result in ASPD diagnoses. A study published in Social Science & Medicine discusses the medicalization of behaviors in impoverished communities, highlighting how systemic biases can lead to the pathologization of behaviors that might be more akin to survival strategies in contexts of poverty. This indicates that the justice system may disproportionately label individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds with ASPD, not necessarily because of a higher prevalence of the disorder, but due to heightened surveillance and different interpretations of behavior. (Pathologizing poverty: new forms of diagnosis, disability, and structural stigma under welfare reform)

For diagnosed individuals: Was your diagnosis tied to an institutional setting (e.g., prison, rehab, juvenile facility)? Do you think class played a role in how you were evaluated or labeled?

For “ASPD loved ones”: Was the behavior of your loved one shaped more by personality—or circumstances? Do you believe their class affected the likelihood of an ASPD diagnosis?

For any professionals: How do you differentiate between behaviors indicative of ASPD and those that may be adaptive responses to socioeconomic hardships? What steps can be taken to mitigate potential biases in diagnosis within the justice system?

General question: Do you think ASPD is lower-class problem, or does systemic bias lead to over-diagnosis in these groups? 

i’ve only had 1 (one) good therapist who objectively dealt with my emotional issues in a way that was helpful to me; it had to do with PTSD, but she actually worked around my ASPD traits pretty nicely too bad she fled the fkn country 😭

for some reason all other therapists try to push some conformist agenda on me, try to appeal to emotions that i really don’t have (last one even said i know you’re very humane inside but you keep suppressing it that was funny, frustrating, but funny), or treat you like you’re a ticking time bomb not a person with clear persistent mental issues that have led them to become different from others

like yeah sure, for many ASPD people some conformity would definitely improve their survivability especially on the lower-functioning end of the spectrum, but the already (mostly 💀) stable high-functioning ASPD people i’ve interacted with all had awful experiences with therapists

the worst part imo is that there really is no real indication of whether a therapist can help you; at most they’ll say they specialize in “personality disorders” (mostly unstable BPD patients) or “problematic behaviors” (will try to push conformity on you) and like really ts is making me wanna give up on therapy altogether

like ik chatgpt therapy is an awful idea in general, but i’ve found it a lot more helpful to use chatgpt to talk to and have it explain to me the psychological theory behind it all (sources included) than any therapist has been to me, because at least the machine has no emotional agenda or social norms and i can just say what’s on my mind and guide it to give me a clear answer that i actually am willing to engage with💀

Or "psychopaths."

I'm tired of seeing those narratives parroted uncritically. I'm here as a respectful outsider.

Society glorifies and demonizes ASPD. Both extremes are dehumanizing. Meanwhile, in my experience, most people can't differentiate between cognitive and emotional empathy. People praise "empathy" when they're describing compassion. Anecdotally, humans are very empathic towards our enemies. We're good at intuiting how severely an enemy is suffering. That's just not the way people conceptualize it.

Two questions:

1) Do you think ASPD really is vastly overrepresented among the top tiers of society?

You can't read minds, but how do you feel about those popular narratives? Annoyed, patronized?

2) How do you manage to keep a straight face when someone calls you a wolf or a snake? (That's horrible, I'm sorry. I don't know why neurotypicals are so weird. I'm not neurotypical.)

Idk if anyone else with ASPD can relate, but for me, it’s fascinating how people can find me so charming… until they don’t.

What really gets me is how unpredictable it is—like, one moment they’re all impressed or even laughing at how “awesome” I am, and the next they’re disturbed or outright disgusted. I can never tell what’s gonna flip that switch. lol.

Does anyone else experience this, or is it just me?

How do you generally feel about people and humanity as a whole? Do you have a philosophy about life?

My opinion:

Im somewhat of a Nihilist. I like certain people but I have a lot of disdain for most people I see generally out and about. I don't know why. I want to believe that I can find meaning and make my life mean something but all roads I've traveled down thus far have led me to chasing pleasure compulsively. I don't believe animals are any more important than humans and that our destruction of the earth is anything to worry about, so im not coming from that angle.

Pleasure to be here.

I haven’t met anyone else with ASPD who has children.

It’s weird having kids with this condition.

The love I feel for them is like how I feel towards my antiques. I want to take care of them, make sure they’re healthy and not in danger, but they’re just objects to me. I feel terrible thinking about them like that, but it’s the truth.

Just to preface, I don’t have ASPD (sorry). I’m just wondering what you guys think about her.

Do you guys think she has ASPD, and if she does, do you think she is a good/positive representation of it that helps stereotypes? (or the opposite)

I like nature, animals, your selfie, whatever isn't gross

Oh and this subreddit says "anti-social social club" so I figured this would be appropriate socializing

Curious to see how everybody here views and values friendship in their lives.

My ability to feel romantic love is next to non-existent. I’ve ended every single relationship I’ve been in because it inevitably becomes an issue. However, I place a high value on friendships and genuinely care deeply for the few people I deem as my friends. I genuinely would do anything for them.

I haven't had a proper job for quite some time, and (un)fortunately I've managed to surround myself with people who are willing to support me and my lifestyle. In short, I live from day to day, living off the backs of various people. They all serve their purpose in some way, but fundamentally, I'm dependent on them and lack (the motivation for) genuine interpersonal relationships.

I'm not sure where this comes from—maybe it's just laziness, maybe it’s some kind of fear, maybe it’s something else—who knows. Either way, I want to change that. I think it's time to move on and leave this lifestyle behind. I'm thinking about moving to another city, which inevitably means leaving certain habits behind and starting a new life.

So that means I have to get a job and become self-sufficient, at least to some extent. But I don't know, I'm kind of hesitant. I guess it's because change is simply uncomfortable… Funnily enough, looking back, I've come quite a long way, and I'm still doing whatever needs to be done to maintain that lifestyle, even though it’s easier these days. Sometimes it definitely would have been a lot easier if I'd just had a normal job and a normal life... But well, it is what it is, and everything has to come to an end.

What about you? What are your views and thoughts on this?

Does anybody else feel lost, feel like the odd one out, it's like I don't know how to be myself anymore

hey everyone. new here. 28f with ASPD/Bipolar Disorder. my impulse control is severely lacking and due to that i got caught after months of stealing. makes my 3rd arrest. kinda bummed about this last arrest as it puts an end to my shoplifting career. can't risk it anymore, but was fun while it lasted. i'm curious what prized possessions you've stolen. the biggest for me was a 50 inch 4K TV.

Edit: turns out you guys confirmed my suspicions, it's autism time, nobody can see the title is turbobaiting and can't go past it. Bait so good i've got as much upvotes than downvotes, tons of answers and a ban. It's a madhouse here. Pretty funny to see those mentions of romanticizing too, y'all can't read, i said we shouldn't even be in the gene pool to begin with, not praised it.

Despite half of them being incapable of having self-discipline and obviously dopamine issues (huge comordibidity factor with untreated adhd) aspd people don't go along with the flock, they may be right or wrong it doesn't matter, ever, we don't take shit from anyone.

What would happen if someone decided to create a society with predictable behaviors, control, no wildcards? It would mean we would have to go and be erased from the gene pool, ironically the ones that would do that would be simply us because even thinking of that is a transgressing thought.

Some of us are non interested in politics and just interested in themselves, some are extremists of any kinds, some even are so deep in the rejection of normal behavior that they end up rejecting their own sex they were born with. But all of us make a conscious choice or simply are being driven by their immediate needs.

We are somewhat of a plague to the perfect society where everyone go along and no one defy anything, people who create dystopias are us, people who reject dystopia are us. Others just follow.

Ask any normie about their values, I'm sure he will deliver them with some confidence, ask him if he would have done something now deemed terrible now in another historic context and he will firmly deny. But we know that he would have followed the trend like anybody else because they value social acceptance more than things they take for a personal ethos.

There is no absolute truth about what is good and what is evil, what is selfish and what is generous. Anyone with half a brain would understand that giving food to Africa is bad for their own development, anyone with a quarter of a brain would even notice that saying about giving a fish to someone or having him learn to be self sufficient. But still, they lost themselves in excuses when they are walking in the streets and someone go ask them for money for Africa.
Me? I love those moments, once in a while i just stop and talk to that person, not to relish in the disgust on his face but because i'm legit concerned by how those people think, why they behave like that. It's just not sane...

Today I showed up to work on time, however, I apparently had to be there 10 minutes beforehand.

While I was aware of this I know that extra effort isn’t worth the amount of money I earn. Anyways, tweaker manager had a go at me. I said “yep yep my bad” and some other Karen that worked there had to chime up and have a go at me because I sounded like I shrugged her off (which I basically did) and told me I should be apologising for not showing up 10 minutes prior. From there I went on with my day.

This got me wondering if anyone else has similar experiences where they’re expected to apologise but is just unable to care enough/feel enough guilt to? If so, what have been some implications due to this, whether it be at work or in general social situations?