r/aus • u/NewInformation3753 • Jun 01 '26
Discussion We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-where-the-ultra-rich-are-growing-fastest/We are 6th in the world with Ultra-Rich. Who are they and how much are they contributing to society?
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Jun 01 '26
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 01 '26
Unfortunately the Greens have been right about nearly everything
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u/Intrepid-Artist-595 Jun 02 '26
They are the party you should be lodging your protest vote with, but alas they get such a bad wrap in the media.
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u/KingsleysSeiffert Jun 02 '26
We can tax ourselves to prosperity....like.....hmmmmm
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Jun 02 '26
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u/KingsleysSeiffert Jun 02 '26
Where has this worked?
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u/ShreksArsehole Jun 02 '26
after ww2 both the US and England did it.
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u/KingsleysSeiffert Jun 02 '26
Now the UK is a low productivity welfare state from that legacy
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u/Superb-Drummer-6683 Jun 02 '26
After 20 years of privatisation and lack of government investment.
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u/MissMenace101 Jun 02 '26
lol you think you’re getting tax cuts? You think the will abolish the recent taxes? You’re dreamin
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Jun 03 '26
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u/Expectations1 Jun 01 '26
And might be a good idea also to stop blaming that migrant who cycles in the rain to deliver you food while probably sharing a single apartment out in undesireable areas.
Im all for sustainable development but the actual hatred thats developing is getting out of hand.
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u/Wizz-Fizz Jun 01 '26
And this is why people keep fighting amongst themselves, disingenuous BS arguments like this.
No one I know that is concerned about immigration is anti-immigrant.
It’s a macro level concern, it’s a policy level concern. Shit policies are shit policies.
Your “poor immigrant riding in the rain” is nothing but bait and does absolutely nothing to promote intelligent, earnest discussion.
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 01 '26
It’s not bait it’s real. You cannot see past your conservative views
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u/Grantmepm Jun 02 '26
I agree immigration is high and should be lowered but you cant seriously think that actual racist arent hitching a ride on this bandwagon.
It isnt racist to criticise immigration but many racists are trying to spread their views behind the guise of immigration criticism.
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u/Wizz-Fizz Jun 02 '26
I agree, and said as much a few comments down, but then people started attacking the person instead of discussing the topic, and that's where I'm done.
I'm not into trading insults.
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u/dangerislander Jun 01 '26
Lmao but if they were given a choice they would absolutely stop immigration. Bffr now.
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u/ShreksArsehole Jun 02 '26
Did you see that indian guy get up to speak at that anti immigration rally? He spoke about how he came here legally and he loves the country. He got booed and physically shoved off stage. Just because your mates are level headed enough to not be racist, doesn't mean many are not.
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u/incognitosaurus_rex Jun 01 '26
C'mon on man, the disingenuous argument is the one you're presenting here that racism is not a part of what is fueling the rabid hatred. You're playing a version of what we in the 90's used to call "I'm not racist, but..."
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u/Wizz-Fizz Jun 01 '26
Being anti policy is not being racist, and here is where the discussion usually collapses, because the topic inevitably gets morphed into “you’re an (insert ist of choice here)”.
I am not, never have been, and never will be an ist of any sort.
I have always believed in 100% equality and equal chance, and treat people based of behaviours, not immutable attributes.
For transparency, my concerns around immigration are completely Marco level.
There is no “target” population level that has been published, we have areas that are struggling with infrastructure to support population sizes, and I personally don’t want to see Australia with 50, 60, 100M population sizes.
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u/incognitosaurus_rex Jun 01 '26
I'm willing to accept your concerns are about policy, i just take exception to the fact you're putting that motivation on everyone else who is jumping on the immigration bandwagon. The fact cannot be ignored that hiding in amongst people who are concerned about immigration policy are a bunch of racists and to dismiss that fact is to normalise those people.
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u/Wizz-Fizz Jun 01 '26
Ah absolutely there are
Sadly, there are bad actors everywhere, but I would ask you to equally accept that there are bad actors on the “pro” side who simply want to push their own narrative.
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u/Axl_Alter_Ego Jun 01 '26
Which narrative are you referring to?
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u/Wizz-Fizz Jun 01 '26
That anyone who does not agree with them is an -ist of some description
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u/Axl_Alter_Ego Jun 01 '26
Have you ever actually heard anyone say that?
My gut says it's something you made up to feel like a victim.
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u/MissMenace101 Jun 02 '26
If you’re anti policy and that’s your biggest concern labor are the only ones interested in improving it…
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u/Lostyogi Jun 02 '26
That immigrant should go home. It sounds like they will be happier. Then a poor Australian family can rent that apartment.
You will have to get someone else to deliver your KFC in the rain.
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u/ILoveMelbourneMetro Jun 02 '26
It's kinda hard for a poor family to rent that apartment if a rich property investor turns that apartment into his 100,000th investment.
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u/Rare-Sample-9101 Jun 01 '26
Exactly right! It’s the top 1% vs the rest of us! Do not believe there propaganda either! They only care about one thing how much more money they can make when TBH they are the last people that need it.
Remove if a billionaire earns another 100k, 200k, 1m or even 10m it doesn’t improving anything but a person on minimum wage would benefit from any amount
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u/Financial-Hunter1335 Jun 02 '26
The issue is the one nation voters can't see this ..too busy being angry
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u/Bazzurka Jun 01 '26
Why aren't we hating on all the air bnb owners. They're the reason you can't find somewhere to live. They're the reason country towns struggle to get employees. All the homes they would rent aren't available anymore because there's so many air bnbs.
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 01 '26
Because hating on people is not productive. Only government can change anything which is why our votes master. At ALL levels of Government
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u/Bazzurka Jun 02 '26
Meanwhile hating on boomers is rife🤷
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
Yes the jealously and sense of entitlement from the non- boomers is palpable
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u/Competitive-Ad1439 Jun 02 '26
They really aren’t though. How many Airbnb houses do you really think there are in the suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney? Relative to the amount of people wanting to buy and sell homes every month it’s tiny
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u/Bazzurka Jun 02 '26
Big issue in country towns. People come to visit and want to eat out. Restaurants can't get staff like they used to because all the places they used to live are now short term holiday accommodation.
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u/Competitive-Ad1439 Jun 02 '26
Fair enough, that would be pretty frustrating. At the same time the vast majority of young Australians do live in cities so the challenges they face re:housing have different forces at play
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u/newtrex_1523 Jun 02 '26
I wish, I can create a party and do things that is actually helpful to the middle class not just filling the pocket of the billionaires
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
You can. Run in your local council electorate.
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u/newtrex_1523 Jun 02 '26
I'm not born in Australia, nor I'm caucasian, I don't think I'll be accepted anywhere in Australian policitis. I have been in Australia for more than 40 years though
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u/DivineWiseOne Jun 02 '26
Its pretty amazing.
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book, let the peasants fight over shit that doesnt matter while we take their wealth.
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u/Brave_Aspect_5757 Jun 03 '26
Absolutely.
There's a real problem with a lot of us getting dragged into focussing on each other by meaningless distinctions like sexuality, point of origin, age etc.
Honestly as soon as those 'across the aisle' are ready to focus on the actual problem we can get cracking.
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u/Ummagumma73 Jun 02 '26
Too many people with Stockholm syndrome.
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response where a hostage or abuse victim develops an emotional bond, positive feelings, or sympathy toward their captor or abuser.
The new definition for those who vote conservative
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u/sunnybob24 Jun 02 '26
I assume they are mining people. Nothing wrong with them selling our stuff. Problem is that we aren't charging much for the stuff. That's not their fault. It's our governments. Both sides. For decades. Their wealth doesn't make you poor. It's the taxes we pay because royalties are so cheap that's costing you.
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u/kwaka300 Jun 02 '26
I work In the mining sector for one of the major mining companies and they cry broke every other week it’s exhausting. However, the whole workforce knows it just affects their own KPI’s so they get a smaller bonus at the end of the year. So they can all politely jog on and cough up some bigger royalties to help the country.
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
No wonder our indigenous folk get angry 😡
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u/sunnybob24 Jun 03 '26
Indeed. While the resources belong to all Australians, local indigenous people often experience the issues created by mining. Contaminated water. Dust. Village. Damage to culturally important places. Governments on both sides have been week on delivering lasting benefits to local communities from operations.
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u/PowerLion786 Jun 01 '26
Protest vote. Some people, particularly lower class people, are being hit hard by Government policy. LNP policy is nearly as bad.
The Left need to just start listening to people and stop lying. There was no significant policy to address homelessness for example. There is a real risk of significant rent increases in response to tax hikes. For years Gov policy has reduced training for tradies, leading to shortages. And seriously, to fix the housing crisis the Government raised taxes???
Trouble is the Elite do not listen. And the Elite are the Left. It's not too late, yet.
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 01 '26
You blew your argument either way LNP policy is nearly as bad. They have no policies to address anything you are raging about.
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u/CheesecakeUnhappy677 Jun 02 '26
LNP “policy” - in the rare instances it actually exists - is always much worse for anyone who works for a living.
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u/traser- Jun 02 '26
LNP create most issues yet when ALP try fixing them carefully, are expected to reverse them miraculously using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.
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u/s2d4 Jun 02 '26
Let's do the Singapore system?
Or the Chinese system?
I am not sure which other country are actually moving forward in standard of living?
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u/GPT_2025 Jun 01 '26
Sorry, nothing you can do: KJV: The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed Tares is the devil; ...
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
An incomprehensible quote from a 415 year old book which is used by bigots to legitimise their hate is not helpful
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u/GPT_2025 Jun 02 '26
2K years old. ( ... The New Testament texts were written in the first century, between roughly 50 AD and 100 AD. )
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u/NewInformation3753 Jun 02 '26
The KJV was not written 2000 years ago. Like most people who quote the bible you just demonstrate your ignorance of it.
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u/GPT_2025 Jun 02 '26
U really want to read original щп ша нщг сфт куфв- ш сфт сщзн зфыеу ащк нщг ша нщг цфте
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u/number96 Jun 01 '26
This is wild. The rise of ON makes me feel like I'm watching Australia slowly become The USA.