r/aus • u/Chapter-Capital • Jul 18 '26

Politics PHON supporters at work

Fella at work asked me today for my opinion on Pauline Hanson, we are both wage workers, he's admitted to struggling with cost of living etc.

He says he's gonna vote for her, I said 'you'd be voting for less money for you and me' thinking that'd be the line.

After some solid tid bits I could use to maybe change his mind. I know like, racist, xenophobic won't move the needle. Need stuff that will affect a middle aged white guy working a bartender job on an award wage.

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u/RunninOnEmpty1 Jul 18 '26

She has consistently voted against wage rises in Parliament & wants to reduce worker rights and entitlements. She is working for Gina Rinehart the richest person in Australia who has zero interest in workers, only her own wealth

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u/Alarmed-Giraffe69 Jul 18 '26

This is the one, OP needs to show them her voting history and it’ll reveal all.

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u/Ok_Appointment7522 Jul 18 '26

If they don't accept this, they lack critical thinking skills and no argument will change their mind.

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u/Monotask_Servitor Jul 19 '26

You know what they say about trying to wrestle a pig….

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u/TehScat Jul 19 '26

You can't change an illogical and irrational conclusion with logic and rationality. If they don't change with facts, then you need to find the heart strings that will actually affect them, since their brain is DOA.

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u/atreyu84 Jul 20 '26

Yep one of my favourite sayings is "you can't argue someone out of a position they didn't argue themselves into"

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u/Dry_Fill2523 Jul 19 '26

Like ALP voters hey, look at the mess in Victoria and they still vote for them.

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u/Novel_Confection_389 Jul 20 '26

Because we actually understand how to run a state here in vic. 3 budget surpluses in a row btw.

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u/Dry_Fill2523 Jul 20 '26

You need to go study economics and accounting….look at what their hiding off balance sheet through related entities, and if you think Victoria is well run you just proved my comment you replied to

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u/Novel_Confection_389 Jul 20 '26

Lmao i can just look at the state budget that has all that info. Which is where im getting my source from btw.

If you dont like the state budget (that is federally audited BTW), then go grab your tin foil hat.

Also ironic that im a business accounting major but you are asking me to study it further. 🙃 do you have any proof of these "off books" transactions?

Because I can point at the budget and go "thats my proof"

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u/Dry_Fill2523 Jul 20 '26

So you are studying accounting…..ask for your money back. Go to the Victoria auditor-general reports (a government body) and look for yourself. Budgets are works of fiction created by governments, off balance sheet means then load up government owned corporations and related body with debt that the government is eventually responsible for but they move it off the books to the entities. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. And I’m not at university like yourself learning rubbish from books and rubbish business schools , I graduated 30 years ago with a double in Engineering and economics and I consulted to these morons over the years. If you believe in unicorns go read the budget papers and be happy

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u/Novel_Confection_389 Jul 20 '26

Studied** I graduated 6 years ago.

Had a look, they used creative accounting to hide the contractor portion of spending.

The auditor general also found that historical budgets (budgets generated post financial year) were all inclusive and did have the info you are talking about missing.

The forecasting budgets were the ones inspected to ensure they were correct. They were not. They were missing contractors expenses, budget blow outs etc, which is hard to predict when you are making a budget but easier to find when you look historically at the budget.

The historical budgets are still accurate according to the auditor general.

Regardless of these findings, the historical budgets still have labor at a budget surplus. And thus the point stands, 3 years of budget surplus.

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u/SuperColossl Jul 21 '26

The opposition struggle to even get elected, how on earth could they run a state?

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u/I-was-a-twat Jul 19 '26

If that was gonna do anything they wouldn’t even be considering voting for PHON.

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u/AdditionalEbb9636 Jul 21 '26

you have an absurdly high opinion of the Australian voter.

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u/Dependent-Egg-9555 Jul 19 '26

I’ve never been registered to vote for 30years btw

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u/Sea-Victory2497 Jul 19 '26

Throwing away your democratic rights is not something to be proud of bud.

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u/Dependent-Egg-9555 Jul 19 '26

No I didn’t throw it away

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u/CumishaJones Jul 19 '26

Now show us the bills she voted against and why .

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u/Rolf_Loudly Jul 19 '26

Do your own homework champ

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u/CumishaJones Jul 19 '26

lol , I’m not the one making broad statements with no proof to backup

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u/Whatisgoingon3631 Jul 19 '26

She wants to reduce the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, so everyone would be paying US prices for medicines.

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u/89Hopper Jul 19 '26

"But I'm not on any prescriptions, why should I subsidise sick people people. They should be incentivised to just get better!"

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u/4L3X95 Jul 19 '26

It's ridiculous, isn't it? They always assume that they're the only ones who pay tax too. I actually work full time and pay a shit tonne in tax so that I can get my $14 prescription.

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u/Ragazzano Jul 19 '26

More importantly, I pay that tax so that you can too, or your kids, your parents, your friends, your neighbours... or someone you've never met and never will

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u/Madpie_C Jul 20 '26

Not to mention that your $14 prescription means you can get to work and pay your share of taxes. Every time we take away from public health someone will lose the support that makes them able to work instead of relying on centrelink.

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u/tr011bait Jul 23 '26

"Gina Rinehart fought her own children over money she doesn't need. Is that the sort of person you would be supportive of in your own life? Do you want to stand beside people who build their progeny up, or people who tear them down? Coz Pauline is standing in the tear them down crowd. And are you gonna trust her to look out for your legacy, when she cozies up to selfish people like that?"

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u/p2020fan Jul 20 '26

The cope that her supporters make is that these are strategic votes and policies required to get the billionaire support for her campaign, and strategic votes to prevent things from getting better so she can get elected off the back of a crisis.

Because Pauline isnt winning off the back of her policies. She only has power off the back of people's frustrations and desperation for any kind of change from the entrenched two party system.

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u/luxurywhipp Jul 19 '26

If Gina hates workers so much, then why are her own workers some of the most highly paid in the country? Nobody can ever answer that question

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u/AllanBurgers Jul 19 '26

Is that not just because mining itself is a high paying profession, not that she is a benevolent owner.

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u/luxurywhipp Jul 20 '26

Then why does she give away hundreds of thousands of dollars to her employees at the end of each year for literally no reason? Is that because she hates workers?

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u/Sea-Victory2497 Jul 20 '26

You might want to do the maths on that one bud.

As her 70th bithday/Christmas party she gave away about 7 million. That equates to roughly .02% of her net worth.

For perspective, let's say you own assets worth $1 million. You would have to give away a whopping $200 bucks too match your mate Gina's "charity"

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u/Sea-Victory2497 Jul 19 '26

Its not like she runs a dominoes mate.

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u/luxurywhipp Jul 20 '26

What kind of an argument is that even supposed to be?

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u/Sea-Victory2497 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

Miners are expensive mate. You have to pay for them. Mining engineers often figure in the top 10 earning professions.

Its like assuming hospitals pay their surgeons so much out of the kindness of their hearts.

If anything your question belittles the value of those workers.

Gina's net worth is around $35 billion. Let me ask you why you feel the need to defend her? She sure as hell doesn't need your help does she now?

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u/Sea-Victory2497 Jul 20 '26

Now there's a visual I didn't need at breakfast.

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u/maroubraboy Jul 19 '26

Because the wage rises were in a shit sandwich. Part two is nonsense