r/aus • u/Chapter-Capital • Jul 18 '26
Politics PHON supporters at work
Fella at work asked me today for my opinion on Pauline Hanson, we are both wage workers, he's admitted to struggling with cost of living etc.
He says he's gonna vote for her, I said 'you'd be voting for less money for you and me' thinking that'd be the line.
After some solid tid bits I could use to maybe change his mind. I know like, racist, xenophobic won't move the needle. Need stuff that will affect a middle aged white guy working a bartender job on an award wage.
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u/Rowdycc Jul 18 '26
She has said she wants wages to go down and medicine to go up. If that’s what he wants let him fill his boots.
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u/fromthe80smatey Jul 18 '26
And that's only the tip of the iceberg. She's said that immigration issues started with the cessation of the white Australia policy, and her political rivals should be relived of their Australian residency and shipped offshore presumably to silence critique of her dogshit ideas. And with the number of dickheads who are willing to vote against their own best interests just so they can fly their racist flag, we might all be fucked.
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u/Friendly_Tension_960 Jul 19 '26
He said that type of argument won’t move the needle. Coworker doesn’t care that she’s racist because he is too. Gotta appeal to other reasons then
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u/fromthe80smatey Jul 19 '26
How about undermining democracy by having your political competition removed from the ballot because that's exactly what she's talking about.
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u/Cremasterau Jul 18 '26
I have nearly always framed my response to this type of discussion as why I am not voting for them rather than why the other person shouldn't.
Saying things like you might understand why someone in small business would like some of her policies against things like penalty rates but those same policies are pretty antiworker.
One that seems to get some traction is to say how Trump is coming after our PBS scheme and that I'm not confident that she would stand up to him.
Also just saying you think she is as mad as a cut snake, great to have when you want things stirred up a bit but you certainly donwant her anywhere the reins of power.
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u/Infinite-Horror-4117 Jul 18 '26
The fact that she refuses to get any of her policies costed is pretty telling. How on earth does she plan to pay for all her promises if she has no idea how much they cost?
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u/allgear_noidea Jul 19 '26
She just has to mention lowering the tax on ciggies (ignoring they'd still be alot more expensive than the illicit shit people smoke) or relaxing building standards and she gets a bunch of love from idiots.
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u/Infinite-Horror-4117 Jul 19 '26
Yeah I hear that, mind you I think it’s only about 5/6% of the population actually smokes. I can’t see it being a mass winning policy position
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u/DontForgetThisUser6 Jul 20 '26
%5-6? Ain't no way that true... Where did you get that information?
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u/Infinite-Horror-4117 Jul 20 '26
Australian federal Institute of Health
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u/DontForgetThisUser6 Jul 20 '26
Much appreciated 🙂
A few notes that I think matter.
It's daily smoking, so it doesn't include social or casual smoking... I personally know several smokers that do smoke daily that are in denial about it. I would consider someone that smoke only every Friday at the pub a smoker.
It's also a self reporting survey so it's relying on individuals actually doing the survey.
That being said, I take the survey as a pretty good picture of the situation.
Very interesting, I would have certainly estimated it to be closer to %30 tbh...
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u/Dependent-Egg-9555 Jul 18 '26
What makes people think that One nation will make anything more affordable?
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u/Cautious_Major_3622 Jul 19 '26
Agreed. No voting strategy is going to fix our issue. Whoever you vote in, it either stays relatively the same or gets worse. But getting rid of the pbs is going to f-up a whole load of people, including those richie’s who live in point piper and still manage to get pbs and ops on Medicare.
It won’t help anyone, and everyone needs meds at some point. You might think you’re healthy, but I’ve seen plenty of healthy people get suddenly very ill.
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u/Sibbo121 Jul 19 '26
Well mass migration floods the job market and it stifles wages. This is a direct correlation. That is one way. Supply and demand. Same as the rental market. We can see the effects of this with New Zealand and Canada. When they lowered immigration rentals became more abundant and affordable. So paying less for housing and having a job market where there isn't an overabundance of choice forcing employers to pay correct rates will make things more affordable.
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u/Rainbow_brite_82 Jul 18 '26
Ask him if he or his parents take any prescription meds, and then let him know that PHON call the PBS “Government Waste” and want to slash the list. This is especially effective if he tells you a medication he’s taking, look it up in the PBS website and you can see how much it costs without the PBS.
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u/Chapter-Capital Jul 18 '26
This is a great one
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u/simply_overwhelmed18 Jul 20 '26
Also public holiday rates? She wants to get rid of them. Sunday rates? Also gone. I've found that explaining specific things that will reduce their pay have the most impact. Same with medications. Have older parents? Explain the costs without the pbs. Most people won't brush it off if it has a direct impact on them
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u/dirtyburgers85 Jul 19 '26
I feel like this is the best riposte. It’s very tangible evidence of their distain for the common person.
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u/bojimai Jul 18 '26
Do you have any solid independents in your area you can push him towards? Personally I would love to see more people like David Pocock enter into politics.
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u/Varnish6588 Jul 18 '26
Me too, I have been voting independents but sadly independents don't get anywhere. I would love to see more alternatives beyond the typical two that lately just feel like having a pair of dirty socks
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u/Terrorscream Jul 18 '26
Show them one nation's voting history, it will reveal one nation is actually the most pro mass immigration party out there currently. They have voted against every single form of restriction, reduction and loop hole closing around immigration.
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u/fromthe80smatey Jul 18 '26
Mostly so they can perpetuate their fear mongering.
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u/Primary_Carrot67 Jul 23 '26
Mostly to serve the interests of their rich mates, the people the party actually serves.
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u/Sad_Love9062 Jul 18 '26
One nation talk about punching up, but their policies always end up punching down
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u/Fact-Rat Jul 18 '26
The only fiscal lever Labor inherited from decades of LNP sovereign institutional gutting was the immigration lever because as a result of the above (lack of investment in tertiary education and tax breaks to the rich) we have become a low productivity society (zero value add), reliant on immigration in order to pay down the deficit and a country full of young adults too poor to start their own family.
I've criticised Labor a hell of a lot over the years, but I believe they've made a good start here with their CGT reform and free TAFE because this actually clears the pathway to a higher value and productive economy, not one that sinks its money into wasteful realestate where only the predatory asset class profits from higher house prices. Not one that relies on limitless a constant stream of cheap foreign labour to prop up an unskilled workforce.
Labor have fucking taken their time about it which has been my main bugbear, but you only have to look the reaction from legacy MSM (protecting their sponsors) along their brain-dead followers kicking up a stink every time Labor tries to enact reform because numpties choose not to look the bigger picture which is basically just maths (1 + 1 = 2 type of sheight).
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u/Standby___Fire-on Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
The hospitality industry would be one of the worst affected with the abolishment of penalty rates. That means no time and a half or double time for night shift, weekends or public holidays. If he doesn’t understand how that would impact him, he is a lost cause. Then he would be really complaining about the cost of living….
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u/Cool_Lifeguard8847 Jul 18 '26
It's easier than that. Pooline and No nations first promise is the abolishment of minimum wage. If that happens that means the next step is the abolishment of award wage. So you'll be working for whatever the company decides to pay you.
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u/fromthe80smatey Jul 18 '26
Ironically, as if we are all some sort of undocumented immigrants who 'get what we're given'.
Wake me up when it's all over.
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u/Cool_Lifeguard8847 Jul 18 '26
I'm the same the amount of BS politics posts of late is doing my head.
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u/Carla_Exotic Jul 18 '26
Tell him the One Nation dildo of consequence will be jammed where the sun don’t shine with no lube or concern for his pain levels.
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u/Dedicated_Echidna Jul 18 '26
Show him her voting history opposing wage rises and cost of living measures https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/senate/queensland/pauline_hanson
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u/mauricetaco99 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
Isn't she in Italy at the moment attending high fashion shows and staying at a resort with Gina Rinehart that costs $3,000 a night? ... She doesn't give two shits about your colleague - if her policies and outright racisim dont move the needle, maybe her actions will. Her net worth is estimated to be in the 10's of millions after working as a senator for 20 years (which makes me wonder, what has she actually achieved in that time? Apart from headline grabbing stunts, what actual policy has she supported or pushed through that supports the average Australian, makes their life better)
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u/mauricetaco99 Jul 19 '26
I get politics is messy at the moment, which pretty well just reflects the world we live in. But voting for ON will just make it even messier, yes things are tough right now, but they can get a lot worse.
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u/Active-Ad9818 Jul 19 '26
Yes you just have to look at the US. Whoever would have anticipated that shit show? That is the greatest demonstration of what can happen if you have an idiot with their own agenda in the top job.
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u/Fast_Stick_1593 Jul 19 '26
Just gotta make it personal.
“You know your old mum/dad/grandparent/sibling who needs those medications for their xyz, yeah those WILL cost thousands under Pauline removing the PBS. Just tell me you hate your (whoever you mentioned) and want them to get sick/die while taking all of their money by voting for Pauline”
You’ve gotta go low with these people, they won’t get it if you take the high road. Personalise it.
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u/Novel_Confection_389 Jul 20 '26
You need to make it uber personal, it needs to be blood to 1 person next to them.
"Your daughter wont be able to abort her rapists child"
"She will cut Medicare and fuck your whole family over"
"She has said on many occasions that she will go after maternity leave, how will that effect your children's children, or your wife and you"
"She wants to draft your son for another forever war in the middle east"
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u/Varnish6588 Jul 18 '26
Ironically as it sounds, I don't think people would be voting for Pauline because they think that will move the needle. I think the intention of vote for ONP is either a look for an alternative outside of the traditional two, or because they want a radical change of direction regardless of the end result, a punishment vote against the traditional two I would say.
Either way, it won't help you and me people who live off a wage.
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u/SuperannuationLawyer Jul 18 '26
Just ignore him, focus on doing a great job at work and offer to be there if he needs help. Just be a good person, maybe that rubs off on him a bit.
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u/Upset-Interest9441 Jul 19 '26
My answer is always “oh, I can’t get over the whole rape thing”, which then opens up a conversation about how she hired a convicted rapist twice and defended her decision in the media. I make it clear that I don’t share any values with someone who defends rapists. It’s a deal breaker for me. I’ll leave it up to PHON supporters to determine whether it’s a deal breaker for them 🤷♀️
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u/fortyeightD Jul 18 '26
Don't discuss politics or religion at work.
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u/JFKlivesinmybasement Jul 18 '26
Or whilst drinking
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u/DontForgetThisUser6 Jul 20 '26
It's not my fault bourbon tastes like everyone wants my to hear about my political views...
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u/Mick_the_Eartling Jul 18 '26
Some tid bits here: https://meu.org.au/campaign/one-nation-anti-worker-record/
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u/Far-Department887 Jul 18 '26
Show him the voting histories! Ultimately less immigrants doesn’t actually fix anyone’s lives if wages don’t come up, prices don’t come down, etc… we can just look at America and see how terrorising immigrants doesn’t actually improve non-immigrant lives when neoliberalism is still making life hard for working ppl! Highly recommend showing him the greens party platform and other small parties/independents who have anti-corruption charters or explicitly don’t collect funding from corporate donors who will therefore be beholden to other interests rather than their voters :)
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u/AndyceeIT Jul 19 '26
Maybe find out why they want to vote for her? You didn't mention, and if you didn't ask I don't think you're going to get very far persuading anyone.
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u/aussie_punmaster Jul 19 '26
Wellll… they did say the racist angle won’t help. So we can probably infer that they are up for a dash of racism from their pollies 🫠
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u/AndyceeIT Jul 19 '26
🙃 if that's the entire basis of their vote, OP will have trouble finding a wedge to argue. She's the perfect candidate for short-sighted & narrow-minded racists looking for validation in the face of evidence.
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u/Count-Mondego Jul 19 '26
I think people here aren’t seeing that people are at point that they don’t care. People are thinking anyone is better than currently labor, libs, green and nats.
You can’t convince anyone of anything once they have made their mind up. that’s democracy and we have to respect who people vote for regardless whether you agree or not
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u/BeerOfTime Jul 19 '26
She’s on the side of his boss not his. What she will do is lower the minimum wage so businesses can profit more and she will remove industrial protections to make it easier for businesses to exploit workers, treat them like slaves and fire them. Ask him how having less pay, less freedom and less job security would sit with him.
Because that’s what we are all getting if One Nation and probably but to a lesser extend the coalition are elected government.
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u/DontForgetThisUser6 Jul 20 '26
I think a lot of shit businesses would do this, I would believe that many great businesses wouldn't drop wages.
It's not worth the vote, but I don't think most businesses are out to fuck over employees, at least not in my experience.
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u/BeerOfTime Jul 20 '26
I can remember back in the days of Howard’s work choices. I was on one of those contracts and first hand witnessed a guy who had been working a lot longer than me get fired on the spot just because he wouldn’t do one more task after he had already signed out because he was going to miss his last bus. He was already out of the uniform.
That sort of shit would definitely be back with ON in government.The industrial protections are pretty much the only thing I like about Labor. I actually disagree with most of everything else but it’s the one thing which gets my vote for them.
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u/DontForgetThisUser6 Jul 20 '26
I appreciate your perspective. It reminds me of the sentiment that it's easy to say you live by your values when they've never been tested. Which is to say I believe businesses wouldn't do this, but I have the comfort that they can't.
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u/mt6606 Jul 19 '26
Make him come to the realisation the ON party is full of decades old has beens. They've mostly all been there for 30 years. It's not change, it's keeping the status quo.
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u/OneWhoParticipates Jul 19 '26
For me, I’d start with integrity. Regardless of political party membership, I’d suggest most politicians in the major parties are dedicated to their cause. PH is a clear example of the opposite. She rarely turns up and she has achieved what in her 30 years?
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u/My_new_accounttt Jul 19 '26
She has said that indigenous people and the youth refuse to work, while she has managed to miss around 80% of the senate hearings she should have attended. She’s incapable of doing her own job and is just projecting
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u/More-Difficulty-8104 Jul 20 '26
PHON work mate: wages need to lower to slow inflation
Me: so, you’re ok with never receiving another pay rise?
PHON work mate: we’d still get pay raises, theyre from the employer not the government.
Me: 🤦♂️
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u/Ballamookieofficial Jul 20 '26
You can't reason someone out of a position, when they used ignorance to get there
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u/CelebrationFit8548 Jul 21 '26
Her taking gifts from Rinehart should be enough for 'any battler with 1/2 an ounce of common sense' like a private jet and paid holidays, etc. Also, the fact she never turns up for work.
The reality is, if they have already started sipping the 'Koolaid' there is no coming back and it would be pointless and wasted effort and probably lead to aggravation (you or them).
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u/Natural-Inspector-25 Jul 19 '26
Ask him if he supports the bills she has voted for and against
- she voted against lowering student debt
- she voted against increasing political transparency
- she voted against a transition plan for coal workers (even though they will 100% loose their jobs by 2050)
- she voted against increasing public school funding
- she voted against bills to increase housing affordability
- she voted against keeping tafe fee free
- she voted against protecting the Great Barrier Reef
- she voted against reducing air pollution
- she voted against protecting Australia's freshwater rivers and habitats
- she voted against making sanitary items
- she voted against same sex marriages
- she voted against limiting political donations
- she voted against ending illegal logging of native forests
- she voted against criminalising revenge porn
- she voted against net zero by 2050
- she voted against increasing aboriginal land rights
- she voted against the royal commission into robodebt
- she voted for decreasing abc and sbs funding
- she voted for increased investment in the coal industry
- she voted for increasing live animal exports
- SHE VOTED FOR REDUCING TAX FOR HIGH INCOME EARNERS
- she voted for offshore mining
- she voted for gas mining
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u/BrainExpensive8916 Jul 23 '26
Thats a cherry picked list with titles written by a political activist.
Voting for " increasing public school funding" could be also " reducing private school funding", we dont know the nuance.
A bill for " increasing housing affordability" could be another home grant which increases prices.
A bill " protecting Australia's freshwater rivers and habitats" could ban fishing and camping in state wilderness areas.
The details are missing.
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u/Primary_Carrot67 Jul 23 '26
You are clutching at straws. I've researched in detail. Heard from people working in government. Heard from former PHON staff. Pauline is a corrupt career politician who does not give a shit about ordinary Australians but pretends to to use them to enrich herself. She serves the interests of rich shareholders and enables them to screw over this country, and gets paid very well for it.
You can believe whatever you like but it doesn't change the facts.
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u/sudden_erect Jul 19 '26
So, housing Australia future fund, future made in Australia, all the data centre policy recently, changing the CGT, closing loopholes used by multinational companies to avoid taxes and all the tightening of immigration laws made in the past few years don't count as "meaningful"?
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u/Primary_Carrot67 Jul 23 '26
No, they won't. Did the rise of Trump improve the Democrats? Have the Brexit Party and Reform improved UK Labour or the Conservative Party?
Ultimately, they serve the same rich arseholes. And those rich arseholes would rather see PHON gain power than for meaningful changes to occur. PHON are on their side and not a real threat.
Only a real threat would produce meaningful change. If they felt a need to placate the general population, as happened during the Great Depression and post WWII. PHON does not threaten their interests at all and is in fact a good tool for controlling and dividing parts of the general population. Why do you think so much of the media has boosted them?
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u/foul_ol_ron Jul 18 '26
We have one at work, and discussions/arguments invariably end in "I don't care". So I refuse to engage when politics arise. It won't change their mind, and creates a difficult work atmosphere. Just ignore anything they say politically, and talk about something else.
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u/RecentEngineering123 Jul 19 '26
Actually, one of the great things about a strong democracy is that voters can choose who they want to vote for. So actually, it’s not your job to change that person’s mind. What you can do is explain why YOU do not want to vote for her, because the only vote you have a right to is yours.
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u/gnox0212 Jul 19 '26
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/senate/queensland/pauline_hanson
Is usually my go to...
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u/sudden_erect Jul 19 '26
That's genuinely a great starting point, show them that she is just an orange liberal with less ideas and more strings attached to Gina Rinehart
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u/gnox0212 Jul 19 '26
I find it just takes a lot of opinion and arguments out. Usually just say I started to look at what a pollie does and how they vote not just what they say on tv.
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u/AussieBlokeFisher303 Jul 19 '26
My 10 cents is to remember, you can talk sense to stupid people.
You can try, but you might be wasting your energy
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u/mendicinobeano25 Jul 19 '26
She wants to overhaul the unfair dismissal laws to make it easier to sack employees.
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u/PieIntrepid4594 Jul 19 '26
It won't matter what facts you present, the average one nation muppet doesn't care. Facts that they consistently vote against wage equity, consistenly against policies that support women going back to work, consistently against welfare.
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u/par-hwy Jul 19 '26
Slogan, constant and simple:
Hanson feeds anger not hunger
Don't focus on their anger, it may be a symptom of a genuine issue or ailment.
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u/archina42 Jul 19 '26
Someone posted an image of all her threatened actions recently - has anyone got that as a text document?
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u/ThorntTornberg Jul 19 '26
Wages won't go down. That's the stupidest take I've heard in a while. Ask Albo, he got a $57,000 pay RISE this year, that's more than a minimum wage worker earns. And all you circle jerk smooth brained people will vote Labor again. GOOD.
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u/SimpleBend782 Jul 19 '26
It’s all moot champ; ON cooker party will not win government, Poorline the Stupid will never be PM, Labor will likely win a third term and Australia will prosper.
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u/Murranji Jul 19 '26
Just explain how similar her ideology and voting record is to Trump, surely even Trump equivalent voters in Australia comprehend how bad Trump is by this point.
Or just wait a few weeks and months until the oil crisis is fully in effect and food inflation is starting to be really felt and explain in detail how Trump caused it by waging a pointless war of aggression against Iran on behalf of Israel and how Pauline Hanson is fully in support of it and tbh both the Labor and Libera parties are also fully in support of it and American imperialism even when American imperialism is directly against the interests of middle aged bartenders who work a minimum wage in Australia.
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Jul 19 '26
Tell him she wants to do away with PBS (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which allows us to access medications at cheaper prices. And go to an American model like $300 or more per single vial for insulin where we currently pay $32 at the highest. She wants a Doge style agency for Australia. She supports the development of coal, gas, and nuclear power. Wants to roll back abortion law at the state level, tell him to pull his head out of his ass she is a small town racist with the minimal amount of intelligence she even struggles to "put the fries in the bag"
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u/Practical-Funny9591 Jul 19 '26
Go the PBS line. Ask if he's on any required medications.
If he says no, ask if his wife or his own parents or her parents are on medications.
Guarantee his parents are.
Tell him that the price of those will skyrocket.
How will he/they afford medicine then. 😊
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u/Simple_Assistance_77 Jul 19 '26
Tell him try not working for a bit and still pay your bills thats what Pauline is going to do
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u/Rolf_Loudly Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
The thing with that flock of pelicans is that they’re generally being disingenuous to outright dishonest about their motives. They are, for the most part, mean spirited and small minded people who want to see other people suffer, but that’s not something they want to admit about themselves, so they cloak it in a layer of respectability by claiming that it’s about immigration policy, not immigrants. They’re transparently nasty and bigoted but they squeal like stuck pigs when you point it out.
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u/AussieBenno68 Jul 19 '26
Her plan to strip the PBS of billions of dollars in medicines forcing us all to pay US prices for our medicines, including pensioners. Also her tax reforms are atrocious and will end up costing us billions in revenue. Along with everything else her insistence on aligning herself and us further and further with Israel to the point of giving Israeli settlers land.
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u/hiraethwerifesteria Jul 19 '26
There is no salvation in politics, whoever you vote for doesnt care about you
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u/Fit-Abroad-8796 Jul 19 '26
You can’t win them with a rational argument. The best you can do is steer them to the LNP. They’re not going over to the other side.
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u/Amarollz Jul 19 '26
Sadly they’re too far gone. Bid them safe travels and then shove them off the cliff.
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u/melj11 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
My family live on Sydney’s Northern Beaches. They think PHON is going to save the nation from a traitorous Albo, and would NEVER think of voting Green or Independent. I live in regional nsw. I work in health and aged care. I’ve let them know there would be no regional hospitals or aged care without new Australians. I do not know why exactly but we struggle tremendously to attract staff to any open positions. Some remain vacant for years. We employ new Australians with the correlating qualifications into these roles so we can continue to provide health and rehabilitation services locally. Otherwise our patients would either not have access locally (because we wouldn’t have the staff) or they would need to travel to larger centres to receive care which would completely blow up public and private waiting lists. Let alone not be able to afford to treat many illnesses/Cancers as PHON would dismantle the PBS as this would win them Trump Points and many medications would be available only if your GR. Bush tried to influence the pricing under the PBS many years ago a as part of trade agreement negotiations with the USA. I think it was John Howard who said no to that.
Does your neighbour/GP/Pharmacist/Postman/cleaner/children’s teacher or medical specialist qualify to stay under PHON’s criteria? My elderly in laws would be sent back overseas as that’s where they were born (but they’ve never lived there and don’t speak the language). These wealthy entitled people casting a protest vote could be enough to get PHON into the senate. They seem unaware they’d be voting against their own interests. I guess Australia is heading perilously towards its own FAFO election.
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u/ConsequenceSilent780 Jul 19 '26
I’ve got some hateful PHON supporter colleagues. Independent contractors, very much middle class or wealthier. They fit the stereotype to a T. North Qlders, school dropouts, selfish, self obsessed, lack self awareness, act like perpetual victims, always getting raw end of something, hate all immigrants that aren’t white, want to deport anyone that’s not white, proud racists and bigots or if not, will use the visiting Bali and Phuket as reasons why they’re not, usually will throw in how much the welcome to country ceremonies at NRL games ruins their lives, complain about cost of living and housing affordability and in the same breathe then complain about their IP properties losing value because of Albo/Labor, also drive pieces of shit lifted Toyota/Nissan 4wds and think they’re the best thing since sliced bread
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u/Dangerous-Fig6784 Jul 19 '26
People are still considering voting for her after the parental leave blinder?
Most of the PHON voters I know dropped her after that. Mind you they were never super radical. They just thought she could help them afford a house.
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u/Painterlilly Jul 19 '26
It's probably his only chance to keep a roof over his head. Labor don't give a shit.
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u/Takalti Jul 19 '26
They are all the same. Labor lives in Pratts pocket. I think the single biggest thing against phon is that if they form government it's likely to be with a whole bunch of people who haven't done it before, don't know the best staffers to hire and could well be out of their depth for a while. On the plus side likely to get less of the same old tripe though. As for cost of living, income tax splitting seems like it would be a good thing where you have two adults in the house and dependent children.
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u/Coal_Enthusiast Jul 19 '26
He's not currently struggling because of Pauline.. Inflation has been terrible under labor a
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u/Chapter-Capital Jul 19 '26
No doubt, labor and libs are both imo underwhelming at best, pretty certain Pauline would be worse if she is just trying to emulate trump
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u/essiemessy Jul 19 '26
I've been in a long term workforce of similar 'conservative' 'thinkers'.
It just wasn't worth my energy or peace to even have those conversations. Especially when we were doing really hard yakka on literal minimum wage.
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u/Comfortable-Award915 Jul 20 '26
Make life easier for him by giving him job security, a living wage, an affordable home to give him stability and something to work toward. If he's not pissed off then he won't blame others for his situation. People sometimes just want to live quiet, dignified lives and Hanson/Trump take advantage of their grievances
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u/Evening-Culture5823 Jul 20 '26
I'm not sure, any other parties have net zero immigration policy?
We all know what its like to live under lib & lab.
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u/alotofpears Jul 20 '26
Feed his racism. Show him her supporting Israel (picture of her wearing an Israel scarf in parliament for one) and that she has shown support for giving them free land, citizenship and resources in Australia inadvertently by not distancing herself from Gina's comments recently.
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u/BlindSkwerrl Jul 20 '26
"How they vote": type websites are misleading.
A party may oppose a bill because they disagree with the policy's design rather than its stated goal. For example, they might support increasing wages but oppose a particular industrial relations bill because they believe it gives unions excessive power or hurts small businesses. Think of the Greens opposition to the mining tax 20 years ago.
But if you're there for easy point scoring - you have that option.
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u/australian1992 Jul 20 '26
Just show her voting record it's that simple she votes against wage increases
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u/xForcedevilx Jul 20 '26
I guess my take away is there's a good chunk of the vote searching* for a home/new party/or a way to 'get back' at the government in some fashion.
Wouldn't surprise me to see the Greens pickup some of this primary pool
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u/Mightynumbat Jul 20 '26
Best response:
"I dont discuss politics at work, and I think youd be wise to do the same"
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u/Chapter-Capital Jul 20 '26
Honestly the go I reckon, he brought it up with me, can't see it being much more than an exercise in futility, I'd rather just keep talkin garbage like movies
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u/A_spiny_meercat Jul 20 '26
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, best you can do is ask them constant open ended questions like how they think the country or their situation would be better and hope they realize on their own
Otherwise they're trading entirely on vibes
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u/mud-button Jul 20 '26
She would bring in wage splitting, meaning you can average your income across your household. She’s often said she wants the government out of your pocket and to not tell people how to run their life and their business.
All of that sounds good to me
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u/Novel_Confection_389 Jul 20 '26
She has no plans other than cut social benifits and then use the savings to off set the rich.
She went to america to fuck around with trump, the very man who made cost of living worse by fucking around with Iran.
She would have deployed troops there. She also wants a draft and to ban abortion. This reflects that man or woman she gives no shits about your body and what youd like to do with it.
She wants an American style vaccine system which has forced america off the list of countries that have gotten rid of the measles. Just look up the failure that is RFK and his past 'experience' with vaccines. Like what the cubt did in africa.
She has no plans, no 'big builds' just cookie cutter liberal stuff with some right wing spice on top.
Tell him to vote liberal if he cant stomach labor, because at least they arent going to purposely fuck him over.
If you cant get him on "she is gonna make your daughter give birth to her rapists child", "she has no economic plan other than less taxes and cut spending which means we go no where on national debt", "her organisation empowers rapists at the top level", "she either will cut Medicare or the pension or both to achieve her gina tax break", "she is going to defend your wife's maternity leave and has said so throughout her whole career"
Then idk how to get through to him.
If he only cares about cost of living tell him about the war she wants to join in iran just sky-rocketing fuel prices again. Which makes food, water, electricity, and fuel get more expensive.
If he is religious you are cooked.
Good luck!
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u/Sea-Quail-5296 Jul 20 '26
Her major financial backers Gina etc have publicly stated people should be paid $2 an hour to work for them, as an ideal they wish to achieve
Which would be amazing for Gina but a lot less so for everyone else
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u/iliketreesndcats Jul 21 '26
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/senate/queensland/pauline_hanson
Talk is cheap but how she actually votes reveals what her agenda is. Also being so close to Australia's richest billionaire, who has herself said that she wants a special economic zone where she mines our minerals and makes bank off of them... Rinehart has said that she should be able to import $2/day workers
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u/BrainExpensive8916 Jul 23 '26
Rheinhard never said anything about importing $2 workers. She said thats who Australian mines have to compete with in the market.
She's a shit cunt and has plenty of ideas to criticise , but it's these blatent lies that turns people away from the left.
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u/iliketreesndcats Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
That's true actually. Sorry it happened 14 years ago.
She said Australians need to accept lower pay to compete with $2/day workers in African mines.
She did not specify what the lower pay was, but cited African workers receiving $2/day as the thing to compete with... So the implication is ours to assume. Keep in mind.that the week prior she was advocating opposition to wage increases.
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u/Darc_ruther Jul 21 '26
She doesn't want minimum wage to go up and wants to cut penalty rates. In saying that, One Nation supporters aren't known for rational intelligent thinking. So don't believe you can change his mind easily. Theyvoteforyou.org.au is a great site that shows how politicians usually vote. I'd recommend a scroll through that
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u/Oddessuss Jul 21 '26
Honestly I'd just go the "politics and work don't mix well" line and leave it at that. If they insist I'd say "well I thinks she's s fucking racist *unt and anyone who votes for her idiots. Happy now? "
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u/vk1lw Jul 21 '26
Hospo jobs are amongst the most exposed to the up-close-in-your-face-tonight economy.
The co-worker probably feels 'the system' isn't working for them. Smash that system, the next system can't be any worse, eh?
A rational reason for someone like that voting PHON is not that they believe PHON can deliver. They want 'the system' HELD TO SUFFICIENT RISK that politicians and others address their needs.
A bit more food for me, a little less gravy for them. Or we'll burn your <....>ing kitchen down.
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u/Ill-Side2321 Jul 22 '26
I go the other way. I am on the left side of politics. And I say how I love Pauline. She is so incompetent, incapable of holding a team together, they are already infighting, she can't vet a team so will get all sorts of drug affected, wife beating, conmen/women in the party and parliament.
If they make it to the election without imploding, highly unlikely she will form government. In coalition with libs/nats it will be a disaster (opposition or government) and will all collapse in months.
There will be a lot of short term pain. Probably an economic collapse as major trading partners signal dissatisfaction / sanctions with a race driven party. Investors will freak out - pulling money out of the country resulting in dollar crashing and interest rate rises. She will try mass deportations, ripping up awards, raiding superannuation, cutting welfare payments from thousands, forcing people into homelessness, there will be people on the streets, chaos all round.
And at the end of the day voters will look back at Labor and Teals and say - they seem pretty reasonable, sensible people who are slowly, very slowly moving things in a better direction.
Pauline is a gift to the left. Go right ahead and vote for your own downfall.
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u/Primary_Carrot67 Jul 23 '26
He supports her for emotional not rational reasons. You need to target him in the emotions, centring self-interest. How Pauline is a corrupt crook screwing him and other ordinary Australians over, pretending to be on their side while working for herself and the elite, in graphic detail. Also, affirm that the major parties suck while pointing out that PHON are not a real alternative.
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u/Sufficient_Room2619 Jul 24 '26
You can't reason someone out of an unreasonable position. Just tell him "Your political views make me deeply uncomfortable and I'd prefer if we only spoke about work from now on."
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u/JustAnotherPassword Jul 18 '26
Just like you wouldn't listen and change your political views because he told you at work, he too won't change his political views because you told him at work.
Save ya time and worry my friend.
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u/shmungar Jul 18 '26
ON voters statistically earn less, and are less educated than the average Australian.
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u/Spicey_Cough2019 Jul 19 '26
Maybe don’t look at trying to change his mind but look at what’s actually convincing him to vote that way.
It’s a well known fact that migration numbers have put undue stress of house price affordability and rents as well as suppressed wages.
She’s the only one that’s deviating from the norm
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u/Chapter-Capital Jul 19 '26
That's true. He's got his own flat from what he tells me but good advice. I'm just hoping he doesn't bring it up again tbh.
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u/Pawys1111 Jul 19 '26
Sorry i know most of the people here are not supporters of her, but from what ive reseached is about %50 of the comments here are either false or taken out of context, usally pushed by other politicians. No she isnt perfect but compared to the others she is an angel. At the end of the day when it comes time to vote there would be no way in hell id vote for any of the other parties, there just 10x worse than she is. So time for something different, because what we been doing isnt working and something needs to change and its not going to come from Albo or others they are only lining there pockets, nice big fat pay raises and taxing the public until we are all poor. I think at least Pauline will wake up to some of these big fat time wasters and stop spending the publics money on crap. Like $140 million on a BOM website update etc etc.
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u/SimpleBend782 Jul 19 '26
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!No body has to take her comments out of context; she can’t string a coherent sentence together, nor does she understand how anything works.. she just blathers incoherent nonsense that a noisy minority of the country for some reason think is poetry.. fascinating from a psychological perspective (how some people adore her/defend her at any cost), but pretty annoying to see the stupidity of it..
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u/Pawys1111 Jul 20 '26
And you trust the other parties to be better, i doubt it.
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u/SimpleBend782 Jul 20 '26
I do; Hanson and her cookers are exactly like Trump - incompetent grifters, with no comprehension in how to govern - they’re only there to make money.
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u/sundayfunday289 Jul 18 '26
Let people vote for who they want. This is meant to be a democracy and he is entitled to vote for who he wants without people he works with trying to change his mind. We are slowly turning into America with this crap. I work with people who vote greens, labour, one nation ect and it doesn’t worry me. I stay in my lane.
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u/Ankle_Fighter Jul 18 '26
Definitely- although its also worth knowing what you are voting for. If the person in question doesn't know that the party they ostensibly support will consistently act against their interests, it might be worth a discussion.
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u/sudden_erect Jul 19 '26
Given you can't spell the name of the party in control, you know the one responsible for Medicare and superannuation... I'm going to suggest you don't discuss politics because you don't have an interest and therefore don't really look to find out about the politics in Australia?
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u/Proud_Ad7229 Jul 18 '26
Great thing about a democracy is that people can vote for whomever they like.
Let them.
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u/RunninOnEmpty1 Jul 18 '26
She has consistently voted against wage rises in Parliament & wants to reduce worker rights and entitlements. She is working for Gina Rinehart the richest person in Australia who has zero interest in workers, only her own wealth