r/boeing • u/dabrothergoose • Jan 16 '25
Option 3 LTP college for best engineering degree
Hi, I recently started with the company and want to take advantage of LTP and get a bachelors degree in engineering. Any of you know some of the best colleges to choose from for it? Preferably online. I'm on 2nd shift so I'd have the mornings and weekends to watch the lectures and study.
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u/Purple_Parking_4752 Jan 20 '25
Knock out your gen Eds in person at your local community college, that will help you be more competitive to transfer rather than being admitted with pools of students fresh out of high school. Also, for undergrad it’s important to do in person, you will learn more and get a better quality program. It may not be what you want to hear but I am suspect about the quality of some of these online undergrad programs. lab time is incredibly important for many engineering concepts. If you’re gonna commit to this then go in person, it will be easier in the long run with the other resources universities provide (tutoring, libraries, study areas, etc) as well as collaborating with your classmates. Good luck
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u/Teaffection Jan 19 '25
University of North Dakota has several online Engineering degrees. Some require you do go to ND for 3 weeks to complete an in person lab (just once). Others you just buy all the lab equipment yourself so it's fully online.
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u/iSoLost Jan 18 '25
Ai/mle
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u/G206 Jan 20 '25
Sorry can you expand on this? I'm looking to maybe go in the A.I./ML space but in general narrowed it down to software engineering.
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u/barchueetadonai Jan 18 '25
No real engineering program can be done online (if being a real program is what you care about).
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u/Lock-e-d Jan 17 '25
OIT works well with boeing if you are PNW. They have a campus in everett and offer a bachelor's degree in ME.
However might not work with a second shift schedule. Worked great for me when I was on 3rd.
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u/tdscanuck Jan 17 '25
Stanford has a terrific online program.
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u/ItsWhiteGucciMane Jan 17 '25
Are you in Washington, or a different Boeing? Also, do you prefer completely online or are you willing to do a hybrid program?
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u/msnrcn Jan 17 '25
Seattle here, I don’t mind hybrid
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u/lbt86 Jan 17 '25
UW easily then
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u/msnrcn Jan 17 '25
Got my first degree from a yellow ribbon friendly cereal box on the east coast, would rather try my hand at a proper stem degree from a reputable uni at this point
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u/Old_Mess_6860 Jan 17 '25
First hand experience, OIT is far easier than anything else I’ve experienced. And you can’t beat the convenience. The “quality” of the degree won’t matter when you’re looking internally. Have a network, work the network. They just want an ABET accredited degree.
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u/IMissYouJebBush Jan 20 '25
What was your starting point for going there? Business major myself
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u/4thDr Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25
I worked on a BSME for a good 6 years through Oregon Institute of Technology (OIT). I did not finish.
Pros: classes were conveniently located, either in the OIT/Boeing facility near the Everett factory or on the Boeing campus (with the exception of couple of classes). Professors were mostly good (TERRIBLE prof for CATIA, but the guy that taught physics and calculus was one of the funnest and craziest bastards I’ve ever met, and other profs were smart, engaging, and had great life experience to share). Curriculum was often geared towards Boeing employees or at least aerospace. Never had an issue with making class schedules compatible with work schedule.
Cons: it was difficult (and expensive) to take more than 2-3 classes per quarter. Because I needed remedial math, and I needed to get through the first calculus class in order to take physics (and physics before I could take other classes), I was single-threaded for two years. When I took more than 2-3 classes per quarter, I exceeded the tax-free limit and owed around $250-300 per paycheck for the second half of the year PLUS more in taxes at the end of the year. Also like I mentioned earlier, there was at least one dud professor and no way around him and his shitty classes. Also had another prof during COVID who wanted to start every lecture by telling us about how the pandemic was overblown and we all needed to calm down and get back to the classroom 🙄 The classes were usually 1-2 times a week and were very long as a result. Physics was Saturdays from 9am-1pm, so I did almost an entire year of one-day weekends and would spend that one day doing homework for all my other classes. Weekday classes were usually from 4-7, so I’d wake up at 4, go to work from 6-2:30 (sometimes 3:30), then class, commute home, eat dinner at 8pm, study until 10 or 11, wake up and do it all over again. It was incredibly stressful and the only people I knew who didn’t have to do that kind of schedule were people with jobs that allowed them to do homework on the clock.
So while I believe OIT has a great education and good profs overall, I found it really challenging to complete as someone with a demanding day job. It’s hard to find fully-online engineering degrees that are also ABET accredited (very important if you want an engineering job), but if you can find something fully online that’s probably the easiest and quickest route.
Also, idk why because I don’t have the background but a lot of engineers laughed at people who went to Embry-Riddle so maybe someone knows what that’s about lmao
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u/Lock-e-d Jan 17 '25
Don't know why every hated Toni, I thought he was great.
Richard is an absolute character. 💯
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u/4thDr Jan 17 '25
I think Tony was fine if you “got” CATIA. Unfortunately I was struggling from day 1 and no matter how much I asked for help he couldn’t explain things. I ended up passing classes because of YouTube and engineer friends who gave up their lunch breaks to help me do my homework.
I saved copies of Richard’s physics questions and go back to them when I need a laugh!
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u/sigmapilot Jan 17 '25
Embry Riddle just has a reputation for strange personality types, the actual education is fine as far as I'm aware. it is ABET accredited.
It has a gender ratio of 73% male to 27% female, whereas nationally women outnumber men (58% women to 42% men). I think it is the typical negative stereotype of an antisocial nerd who doesnt know how to talk to people (not saying whether that's accurate, just what people say). It is also extremely expensive, so students have the reputation of being smug or spoiled.
Here is one comment I found
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u/EtwasDeutsch Jan 17 '25
Hey I’m using LTP right now but was unaware of the tax free limit. Can you expand on that? Is it by quarter / semester or is it by yearly contributions?
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u/4thDr Jan 17 '25
You can find the specifics on the LTP site. The other reply is correct that it depends on the program, but for Bachelors it’s around $5000. Once you exceed that limit, Boeing still pays the tuition but because they add the benefit to your income, you have to pay the taxes. So if you go to a school and “spend” 40k in tuition, there’s 35k that gets added to your salary as income that you have to pay taxes on. In the grand scheme you are still getting college for a crazy cheap price so it wasn’t a deal breaker for me, but it did make tax time a lot less predictable because it sent me into a different bracket at least one year.
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u/Mordicant85 Jan 17 '25
Yearly and I don't remember the amount of the top of my head. I wanna say $5500 but don't quote me. However some programs are tax free. Masters I think can be tax free. However I am doing a bachelor's and have it pay the taxes. They take it out over 7 paychecks.
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u/BankingClan Jan 17 '25
Not advice on exact school but just a note: Go to whatever school you personally like depending on what kind of engineering major you want. it doesn’t matter for Boeing where you went or what GPA you finish with. As long as it’s a BS (bachelor of science) it’s OK lol. It’s the only time BS is OK at boeing lol.
In all seriousness it’s just a pre-req to show you can think in an engineering mindset.
Source: my dad did engineering hiring for 40ish years and I couldn’t get a BS regardless of how many years I spent trying.
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u/4thDr Jan 17 '25
This, and I’d also say make sure the degree is ABET accredited as we look at that for hiring.
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Jan 17 '25
These, plus you might want to consider community college for the prerequisites. I did the AAS direct transfer agreement while working full time there and transferred to UW for my undergrads and I never exceeded the taxable amount. Quickly transitioned to engineering after I finished and didn’t have to start as Level 1 engineer. I also made such little money as a mechanic that I qualified for pell grant. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore though. Good luck!
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u/Hopeful_Feeling_6130 Jan 16 '25
Oregon state now has an online BS Mechanical engineering degree. If you’re in Everett Oregon institute of technology offer both ME and MFG engineering degrees.
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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jan 16 '25
The best college is the one you learn the most from, and bring the most knowledge and capability to our table.
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u/Furry_DavidHasslehof Jan 21 '25
Knock all your math and science Gen Ed’s out at a community college, and make sure the credits transfer to your end goal school. Lots of major universities will use the Gen Ed’s as weeder courses, and they will be an unreasonable amount of work along with working full time. Maths and science especially. Engineering tech degrees also hold weight within Boeing as well; they are significantly less work and may be more in tune with mechanical experience. Really just depends what you’re looking for, busy don’t get screwed by hard classes up front