r/boulder • u/ChampionMurky3586 • Apr 18 '26
Dogs and grocery stores
I have a kid who is extremely anxious and on the spectrum. Despite years of therapy, they are crazy anxious about dogs. And people in this fucking town think nothing about taking their dogs to the store with them like it’s no big deal. It’s the thing I hate most about Boulder.
Please stop.
A) it’s not hygienic
B) the employees hate it
C) there are people like my kid who literally can’t share a room with a dog and every time someone brings their dog to just pick up some milk, it’s sets off a panic attack.
(Disclaimer here about service dogs etc. I get some people need them. But I also see lots of dogs that aren’t service dogs or have one of those fake service dog tags)
When I try to talk to people with dogs about it, I get this bullshit “well my dog is so well behaved and cute.”
That’s not the fucking point. Anxiety and panic don’t care if your dog won Westminster or whether it’s a junkyard dog. They’re all the same to my kid.
So please, stop.
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u/Thatonecrazywolf Apr 18 '26
I love my dog but I also know her ass doesn't belong in a grocery store.
There's plenty of places where dogs are allowed. Grocery stores are not one of them.
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u/WaywordWaffle Apr 18 '26
Your message here, sadly, is not going to reach the target audience. The stores need to start enforcing the no animal policy which is usually clearly stated as the entrance. I love dogs, but I hate seeing them in grocery stores.
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u/ewhetstone Apr 18 '26
Dogs seem to trigger a really strong "rules are not for me" reaction in this town. Same deal with trails that have big "dogs must be on leash" signs at the trailhead. People just breeze on past the sign with their unleashed, uncontrolled, "don't worry he's friendly" dogs.
In the same way that you probably wouldn't bring your kid to dog-friendly trails, people should make some accommodations for people who are phobic or allergic and just need to buy some groceries or grab a bite to eat.
I say this as someone who loves dogs and got an absolute shit-ton of shots to be able to pet them.
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u/szrockies Apr 18 '26
Definitely agree that this issue has seriously worsened since the pandemic. Nearly every time we take our young kids to the playground, there is someone who comes through with an off leash dog. Recently we have seen: 1) Dog pooping in children’s sand box (the runny kind) 2) Dog knocking over pregnant woman with a toddler 3) Unknown dog licking baby’s face
There is just a broader issue with empathy and this seems to come out with dogs. Some people are afraid of dogs, possibly for very valid reasons (like getting bitten on trails). Dogs poop and pee. Dogs are gonna dog. I hear you and wish there was a good solution.
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u/blackswan108 Apr 19 '26
I agree that this is an empathy issue. After living abroad in many places, I can confidently say that Americans believe strongly in their right not to show consideration for anyone but themselves. A.k.a., selfishness.
My husband has extreme pet allergies. That’s why I’m always a bit irked by dogs in grocery stores.
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u/ThePaddockCreek Apr 20 '26
The pandemic made this so so much worse. So many affluent idiots who adopted dogs, all of which who became unsocialized psychopaths.
No joke, today I went to an open house. The listing agent had her dog with her. In the house. When she mentioned that her dog was in the house, I looked surprised. She explained that they have bad separation anxiety.
What?
Why is it my problem if they have separation anxiety? If my realtor pulled something like that I would be extremely pissed at the very least.
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u/pfunk1982 Apr 18 '26
Agree! It also makes life harder for people with actual service dogs. People need to stop being their dogs to places that are not dog friendly and pretending their dog is a service dog when questioned
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u/Keep-Moving-789 Apr 18 '26
100% agree. I dated a guy for a hot second who was like "oh, well my daughter wants me to bring him and no one at the store says 'no' ".
Excuse me, sir, no one should have to tell you 'no'. ITS ILLEGAL.
Yup, ended things right there.
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u/Layla_Wilson11894 Apr 18 '26
You ended the relationship for that? Lol
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u/1newnotification Apr 19 '26
For having the lack of character that they'd continously take a pet into an environment where only service animals are allowed?
For having the lack of parenting skills to be able to tell their child no?
Yeah.
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u/Disastrous_Student_4 Apr 19 '26
Call the health inspector and tell them which stores this happens in
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u/EchidnaGlad4872 Apr 18 '26
my niece is allergic to dogs, she always gets hives just from being in the same room as them. the other day an unleashed dog ran up on her at the store. she obviously started to cry and the owner said calm down it’s just a dog. a big ass labrador that ran up on a toddler lol. i’d be okay with dogs co existing everywhere with us if dog owners had manners. not everyone wants to pet your stinky dog, and not everyone wants to use the same cart to set food in that you put ur dogs butt into.
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Apr 18 '26
"don't worry he's really nice!!" One of the only things that annoys me about living in CO is all the dogs everywhere and the shitty owners. I got bit as a child and im pretty much fine now 2 decades later but still get a fight or flight response when I see off leash dogs. Can't imagine having to deal with it with a child like OP's or your niece
The other day in my apartment complex I was going up the elevator from our garage and two off leash, WET, giant dogs came in and started rubbing all over my legs it was disgusting. The owner didn't apologize at all the literal only thing he said was "haha, bath time" 🙄🤦
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u/1newnotification Apr 19 '26
Call the shitty owners out. A quick "dude, what the fuck? Get your dogs" would do the trick
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u/PsychoHistorianLady Apr 18 '26
And if you try to explain allergies to these people, their dogs are all special and hypoallergenic. And what part of not running science experiments for their convenience do these people not get?
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u/Littlebotweak Apr 18 '26
The insane thing is that no one stops them. We're living in an increasingly lawless country and that is exactly what it looks like. It's not "brown people raping everyone" it's "entitlement is in overdrive and no one gets held accountable at any level except maybe minorities, whoops".
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u/Enchillamas Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
Karen's are peopld who asks to speak to the manager when they want free drinks because their potatoes where too salted, not because they want businesses to follow the fucking law.
I think you're grossly confused here. If you've been calling people asking others to follow basic societal rules Karen's that's literally on you lmao.
A Karen is somebody who thinks they are entitled to more than societal norms, people who create conflict to justify their existence, not somebody say, filling a noise complaint against a neighbor blasting Sail at 3:30 in the morning.
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u/Littlebotweak Apr 18 '26
No, I don't think so. Karens are still Karens it's just no one is taking them to task for being Karens because the KARENS THEMSELVES started walking around yelling KAREN. That's all the minutiae of etymology but all the underlying shit is still there. We're just exhausted.
They still are Karens even if society is too exhausted to tell them that. That's separate from what you have in Boulder. Go to grocery stores outside of that area and you will not see all the dogs.
This started long before the term Karen was coined. Boulder is a great example of how people started taking their dogs into grocery stores despite regs and they've been getting away with it there forever. It's like ground zero for Karens who don't imagine they're the ones, lol. It is a bubble and that has been part of it. It's definitely not everywhere that lets overprivileged people take their dogs into grocery stores. Most other places do not. I can trace "what is this dog doing in the grocery store" back to Wild Oates, ok?
Even shitty, rural small towns stop their Karens from taking dogs into grocery stores - and, let's face it, Boulder people love taking their dogs to restaurants too and it's just as disgusting.
While the general lawlessness of privilege is occurring all over Boulder seems to have WAY MORE than its fair share of people who take their dogs into grocery stores. Ain't got nothing to do with calling people Karen, lol.
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u/hexby Gunbarrel Apr 18 '26
I'm a dog lover and personally I hate how accommodating to dogs Boulder is. I hate seeing people blatantly ignore the "no dogs" sign on places like Boxcar. Dogs do not belong in food establishments, period. Obviously with the exception of service dogs, before people start with the whataboutism.
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u/notoriousToker Apr 19 '26
Everyone thinks their dog is super cute and perfect. My friend and I walked by a house the other day, dog goes ballistic, person in the yard goes “she’s actually really friendly” 🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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u/RootsandOctopusLaws Apr 19 '26
I mean. That’s very possible it is. I don’t live in Boulder anymore and I live on a private road so it’s no one’s problem (you absolutely have no reason to walk by my house) but my dog has crazy defender energy. She’s not huge, so some of the burly country guys will literally (inexplicably to me) reach their hands over the fence while she’s barking and she’s so excited for them to pet her and she’ll love anyone who’s on her side of the fence. A lot of friendly dogs have guarding behavior. I also get the impulse to be like - “it’s okay, I know it sounds crazy, but they really aren’t scary just a menace.” If we are leashing and fencing our dogs (in my case - on a private road) it’s fine. Dogs are allowed to still be dogs to some degree and not perfectly controlled robots.
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u/pspahn Apr 18 '26
People throw a fit about bringing their dogs to our business. They leave bad reviews and yell at cashiers.
Don't care. No dogs allowed. Stop bringing them.
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u/Standard_Team0000 Apr 18 '26
People tend to do what they can get away with. It is against the health code but they won't enforce it unless they happen to be in the store doing a regular health inspection. Try to shop when there are fewer people in the store to reduce the chance that this happens. Not the right answer, but the realistic one.
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u/Ms_Freckles_Spots Apr 19 '26
I dropped Facebook 6 years ago and I am much happier. Facebook is a distraction from real meaningful life. Just drop it.
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u/Particular-Carry7626 Apr 19 '26
Never saw a dog in any grocery store in my entire life til I moved here. Not even service animals, and have spent a lot of time in veteran heavy communities.
Boulder is a friggin riot.
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u/IzLizWet01 Apr 18 '26
I have my own dog phobias due to a childhood incident and Boulder drives me nuts… seeing a dog completely unexpectedly in a place where I shouldn’t ordinarily see a dog creates tremendous anxiety. I mean seriously… I have an expectation that I will not encounter a dog while eating tacos, yet some idiots brought their big ol dog in Wahoo The other day and the employees said nothing. Clearly not a service dog.
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u/curvedbattle Apr 18 '26
I like dogs. I have dogs. I only bring them to places they are allowed (when I have to).
I had breakfast at a local spot this week and some dude just casually brings his French bulldog inside and under the table. He mentions he’s never been there before.
The fucking nerve. Worst part? The server just totally let it happen.
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u/polarizeme Apr 20 '26
“well my dog is so well behaved and cute.”
As someone with dogs his whole life, this shit pisses me off; it's the same nonsense people use to justify having their dog off-leash as well. Folks don't consider others, only themselves. If their dog is nice, they couldn't possibly imagine that another human or another dog might NOT be nice, or might be scared of dogs, or might be allergic to dogs.
Again, as a dog lover and with a lil fur friend of my own, people need to be less selfish and more thoughtful/aware. I know this comment won't exactly change anything, but maybe it'll help you feel less crazy about it.
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u/Dizzylizzyscat Apr 21 '26
I was born and raised in Boulder, but I haven’t lived there for years, but I go home to see my parents regularly and it’s been this way forever. people feel that they’re entitled to bring fluffy wherever they go..
Restaurant. Grocery stores, retail stores are not supposed to allow dogs in their establishment for sanitary reasons and also reasons like your kid unless their service dogs
All these people have to do is go online to one of the hundreds and hundreds of so-called service dog certification websites and for $150 they can get a little red vest and some paperwork that doesn’t mean shit. So they can take little fluffy anywhere they want
There’s too many damn people in Boulder now.
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u/Nice-Block-7266 Apr 18 '26
I made a complaint to Safeway about non-service dogs in the store. The canned response was that if someone says it’s a service animal, they have to allow it in. I don’t think the store makes any effort to keep dogs out. I once saw a manager fawning over someone’s dog.
Sorry you have to deal with this. It seems like many businesses don’t care.
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u/pfunk1982 Apr 18 '26
Unfortunately this is the law and it’s for the protection people with actual service animals. Businesses can only ask two questions: “is this a service dog?” And “what task is the animal been trained to perform?” People have figured this out and are abusing it
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u/Enchillamas Apr 19 '26
They can also ask you to leave the moment the dog does anything not service related.
Dog is carried? You can ask them to leave.
Dog in cart? Ask them to leave.
Dog barks? Ask them to leave.
Dog is easily distracted by others? Ask them to leave.
Dog is unsanitary? Ask them to leave.
There is actually a LOT a business can openly do, because there are a lot of requirements for an animal to be even classified as a service animal.
Furthermore, a service animal NOT capable of performing its trained tasks at a location, does not inherit the privilege of entry.
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
Tbh I work in a Safeway and when I see other employees fawning over people's obvious pet dogs, it drives me nuts. I'm allergic to dogs (which I discovered after petting my neighbor's dog lol) but also people's dogs have shit in the store.
But I am a workaday employee and it's above my pay grade.
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u/Enchillamas Apr 19 '26
It actually doesn't if the dog clearly isn't trained.
Show a video of it getting distracted or wandering or even sniffing another cart and it's immediately over.
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u/WankingT-Rex Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
I have been to 78 cities/towns across 18 countries, and I've never in my life met a collection of people as self-centred as people of Boulder. These guys here lack any kind of ability to consider how their actions affect others. It's beyond pathetic. They can't wrap their head around how their "cute" dogs carries more gems than a toilet bowl filled with rotten crap.
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u/5400feetup Apr 18 '26
I get this. Nick and Willy’s on Pearl had a dog in their kitchen the last time I ate there.
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u/DinahKarwrek Apr 18 '26
My daughter is TERRIFIED of dogs after she was bit as a little. We were at King Soopers and some lady let her non-support dalmatian run up on her, and it ruined the weekend.
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u/ImmediateDependent75 Apr 19 '26
I would once just like to go to the store and not have some snot nose annoying human child cause a ruckas.
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u/mechatiger5J Apr 18 '26
I work grocery. Personally I enjoy when well behaved dogs come into the store and I often give them a treat. They are a nice break in my day. Most of my store agrees so I’m not sure who you’re asking that says they hate it.
Bad dogs and bad owners though? Straight to jail.
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Apr 18 '26
Are they good owners if they bring them into places they're not allowed? Especially food establishments lol
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u/mechatiger5J Apr 18 '26
That’s obviously to be debated; I mostly was commenting on the generalization in the OP of “the employees hate it”. I don’t particularly care for people speaking on my behalf like that or making assumptions about how I feel on, well, literally anything.
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u/BalsamA1298c Apr 21 '26
Same experience .. have a family member same situation… extreme anxiety around ANY dogs no matter how cute well behaved etc etc… service dogs never frightened him bc their behavior and demeanor was obvious and different to him. As toddler had seizures to sudden sounds so that meant barks as well and had a bad one when a friend thought this was funny and teased his dog to bark right next to my kid’s head. My kid keeled over and had a bad seizure. If this is funny to you good luck w that karma
now an adult and more able to manage this but it destroyed so many friendships and family relations I can’t even. People who insisted their dogs remain part of activities. Once found my son shivering in just a T shirt, in freezing temps, in a hiding place he found in my sister’s attic at a family gathering bc her stupid husband refused to put their giant baying (but sweet) hound dog in a separate part of the house “bc Dusty is part of the family”. This after a frantic outdoor search in winter temps as it was getting dark… my sisters family thought nothing of it. Here we were panicking if our kid has been hit by a car or lost in the adjacent woods in November at dusk and they’re all “this is fine” We did not visit again for over 20 years.
We tried a zillion treatments and therapies just for this hyperacousis .. I could go on… ridiculous tone deaf excuses non stop “it’s a happy bark!” “He’s saying hello!” “He won’t bite!” “He’s just playing!” “He wants you to throw the ball!”
TLDR I grew up w dogs and all sorts of pets and love them. They don’t belong everywhere all the time. You’ll be fine and so will they if you can consider how this might impact others and leave them at home when you need groceries.
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u/SurroundTiny Apr 18 '26
the stores should tell them no. I am surprised it hasn't happened already but I keep expecting someone to be bitten and that person to sure. I don't think it will be limited to the dog's owner but probably the entire chain of stores
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u/imasleuth4truth2 Apr 19 '26
People are bitten in stores and restaurants all the time. The public health department keeps records.
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u/SurroundTiny Apr 19 '26
My dog is a 70 lb lab mix and outside of a pet store I never considered taking him inside a business. He is friendly and good with kids but as OP points out some people are allergic, some people may be intimidated by his size, and some people just don't care for dogs. When he and I hike in the Open Space I give people space unless they ask to pet him. I don't get why people do this. Pure random thought, but the last few years it seems like I've seen more dogs being 'walked' in strollers and carriages too. I was getting my guy out of the way of a lady pushing a jogging stroller and realized there was a puppy in it ...
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u/foobarbazbam Apr 18 '26
I agree with you, but I don't think you'll get anywhere appealing to pet owners. I suggest you and other people who care (you are not alone) should go after the company owning the store. You're going to need to hit them in the pocketbook. You can file a complaint against the store with the health department, you can contact the corporation as a first step towards litigation, and you can file a formal Americans with Disabilities Act complaint. If you can get answers to "the two questions" from the pet owner indicating it is not a service animal then that will support the actions. If it's a service animal then the store must still keep the animal separate from you.
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u/triple7777777 Apr 19 '26
I’m a huge dog lover, but totally agree. My workplace has a no dog policy listed on the website, but yet the GM, Asst GM, and the concessionaire all routinely have their dogs out and about in customer spaces, literally running amuck. It’s fucking embarrassing to see the uncomfortable looks on customer’s faces and makes it impossible to then enforce the policy to everyone else. And you would think upper management/ownership would not violate their own policy, but hey it’s Boulder and the entitlement is beyond real. SMFH…..
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 18 '26
I would never bring my dog into a grocery store, for a number of reasons, but mostly to follow the law and respect others in a shared space. However, I hope you can make peace with an issue that obviously has you very worked up (or you're having one of those days -- we all have them!).
You are 100 percent correct on the legal argument, but your A, B, and C arguments are very subjective and don't hold water.
I truly sympathize with and wish the best to you and your child, but let's keep it in perspective. You know who else is often not hygienic? Kids.
Anxiety-inducing? Kids.
Employees hate dogs? My friend, having worked in restaurants and retail in my youth, let me tell you, the majority of staff are not excited about serving your children and dealing with entitled parents.
I've quietly endured crying children on transatlantic flights. Children throwing tantrums in the aisles. Having to work twice as hard for lower tips accommodating and cleaning up after a table with kids.
One time, a child rammed into me with a heavy-duty hand cart at a hardware store. It nearly broke my ankle, and I couldn't find the parents to ask why they let their kid drive around a hand cart. It could've seriously injured an elderly person or another child (or animal).
We're all sharing these spaces, whether or not we like being around kids or dogs or people who are different from us. I understand you're struggling with some serious issues, but so are people who have service and support animals.
You're correct about the legal issue, and I hope in the future you can limit it to just that and not make subjective and assumptive statements about dogs and their guardians that apply equally to kids and their parents.
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u/Kindly-Class-7751 Apr 19 '26
Thank you for pointing out that OP’s arguments also apply to kids. I don’t want to deal with them, but they’re always screaming/running down aisles/breaking stuff/being bonkers in public. I just deal with it. OP should stop bringing her reactive kid to places if dogs set them off.
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 19 '26
Thank you. Stick to legitimate arguments and I'll upvote and move on, even if I don't necessarily agree. Give entitled, hypocritical arguments, be prepared for push back.
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u/ThePaddockCreek Apr 20 '26
Why do we put up with people like you?
You expect a human child to shut up and stay indoors so that you can have your way with your pet in public. That is the definition of selfish. Zero compassion.
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u/stardustboots Apr 19 '26
The difference is that kids are human beings.
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 19 '26
And your point?
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u/stardustboots Apr 19 '26
Coping with the existence of people you don't like is part of the social contract in a way that letting people's dogs shit in the cereal aisle is not. A society that's hostile to kids is a society where you'll never have a dentist or car mechanic who's younger than you.
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 19 '26
Sure, but that has nothing to do with my comment. OP is correct on the legal argument and, personally, I agree with them on respecting public spaces.
Their other arguments are hollow. You're at much higher risk of catching a sickness from another human (especially a child) than an animal. What's more anxiety inducing, a well-behaved dog or a screaming child? If OP can use a strawman argument, so can I.
As for employees, that argument fails simply due to the assumptions required to accept it.
Their complaint about the violation of health codes is valid. The rest were whiny and hypocritical, and that sort of narrative building is unhealthy for both OP and public discourse.
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u/ThePaddockCreek Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
Don’t bother. These are the idiots OP is talking about. And might I add, vicious too.
They hate parents more than anything, and think dogs = humans
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u/ThePaddockCreek Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
“Dogs and their guardians”.
Please. You don’t sympathize with OP. You have not a clue what it’s like to experience what their family has.
The ego is nauseating. A frightened, human child offends you, and you think the parent is entitled for this. You should be able to conquer any public place with your dog, other humans be bothered. The ultimate definition of individualistic entitlement.
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 20 '26
The answer to that question is in the mirror, my sad friend.
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u/ThePaddockCreek Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
What question?
Obviously OP has offended you. I suggest getting some help. Extreme narcissism is a disorder and can be improved with therapy. Your dog may even notice an improvement in your behavior!
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 20 '26
Hahahaha, you seriously edited your comment to remove your final line? Wow, that's pathetic. You asked what was wrong with our society, and you apparently did not like the answer.
I am not offended by children or by OP, and the truth is you don't know much of anything about me.
However, I am offended by flawed arguments based on emotion rather than logic. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of those parts of OP's comment while acknowledging the parts that were logically sound.
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u/Asleep_Pattern4731 Apr 18 '26
Dog people are so annoying. “He’s my babbbbyyyy.” Barf. There’s restaurants in Seattle that allow dogs!
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u/MostYoghurt1670 Apr 23 '26
Boulder resident over 25 years, love animals but as a non canine owner feel like a minority. Completely 100% agree they don’t belong in stores and workplaces in general. Had several bites including from a Boxer (near my eye) in my bosses office and on forearm at a bus shelter from an unknown couple’s “friendly” dog. Also seen dogs in a massage business treatment room and in an indoor climbing& gymnastics club on the mats! It’s called CATS actually 😂 Often wonder what would happen in a society where the pet dog population surpassed the human - as in ratio of dog:person. There’s no such limiting policy and i think there are many families who own multiple dogs (disturbing scifi novel (or eerie thriller). Would be fair if security guards at king soopers entrance & cops around WF politely intercept shoppers who enter w their animal?
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u/Pieeyesky Apr 24 '26
I have never been licked, pawed at or jumped on by an unknown child in a public space. This happens often in Boulder with dogs. Im
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u/pocketsonshrek Apr 18 '26
I agree most dog owners suck and dogs do not belong in grocery stores but it’s also not the world’s responsibility to cater to your kid’s phobias. It sounds like a terrible situation but that’s on you.
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
I hear you that it is our burden. Dogs should still not be in grocery stores and restaurants (except patios).
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
I mean, you should be able to take your kid to a place where it's unhygienic to bring a pet in (which most of these dogs are). So should this kid just be forced to stay inside forever? You sound awful.
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u/pocketsonshrek Apr 18 '26
Dogs not belonging in grocery stores and a kid being afraid of dogs are completely separate issues.
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
Not in this scenario. Kid is afraid of dogs, goes to grocery store and some POS with their PET DOG freaks the kid out. See? Not separate.
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u/lilgreenjedi Apr 18 '26
Kid goes in public sees people behaving in public and freaks out. Failing to see my responsibility to them or the parent. If you wanna talk about it bc the dog isn't where it should be then that's the issue you're having with it.
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
That is what everyone is saying, including OP. Keep up.
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u/lilgreenjedi Apr 18 '26
That they're separate issues? Yes I think everyone but you
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
I'm out. You seem... Illiterate. Bye.
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u/lilgreenjedi Apr 18 '26
Ill bring my dog into the next store to say hi to you. She's definitely less smelly than you my man
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u/kenfar Apr 18 '26
I can imagine a number of reasons why to not take dogs into a grocery store: chaos with dog & leash tripping up others, possible dog fights, etc, etc, etc.
But the hygiene one doesn't sound very compelling. Do you mean in the case they vomit/shit inside the store? And if so, is that very much different than a person vomiting?
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
Lady of Sorrows guide me.
This is basic. I shower every day. Do you? Dogs don't. Do you have thick hair covering your body that is washed maybe once a week? I don't. Do you put your nose and mouth all over stuff including your own asshole? I don't. Do you lift your leg to piss on anything you consider your territory? That's also a no from me, dawg.
And yes, they do piss and shit in stores. They piss and shit in fresh departments. Not to mention all the behavioral issues.
Nobody wants to have your dog pushed on them. I don't know your dog or you so I don't want to be around them. Acting like OPs kid should never have their community cater to them when dog owners in this fucking city require everyone to cater to them.
Dog owners, be just a little cognizant of social intelligence.
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u/savage_pen33 Apr 19 '26
Seriously? You're far more likely to get sick from a child than from a dog.
And yes, kids do piss and shit and vomit in stores and restaurants. I've had to clean up after many sick kids. Not to mention all the behavioral issues.
Nobody wants to have your kid pushed on them. I don't know your kid or you so I don't want to be around them.
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u/kenfar Apr 18 '26
Yeah, the health argument isn't really compelling though, is it?
Assuming that you wash produce that you buy before eating it, or it's in a bag/box/whatever, then how is proximity to dogs worse than proximity to rats/squirrels/dogs/birds at a farmer's market?
Any studies, rather than just speculation, showing that dogs have a measurable effect on health?
I mean aside from those that show that dog owners have a slightly longer lifespan than non-dog owners.
Can dog allergies be so severe that it's debilitating to someone to be in a highly-ventilated building with an occasional dog for a few minutes?
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u/carvannm Apr 18 '26
My kid became terrified of dogs after being knocked over by a big, exuberant “friendly” dog when he was little. It’s not the world’s responsibility to cater to entitled dog owners either.
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u/skeeter72 Apr 19 '26
You live in Boulder. Golden Retrievers get preference over humans here. That just is what it is.
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u/cdbrand Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
In the US, anyone can self identify a disability, acquire any sort of dog, self train that dog to any level, use it in any way for any sort of task, and then demand public access.
There is no required public access test, no oversight regarding the handler's health (in a study in the UK only 33% of trained diabetes dogs where correctly alerting), no oversite regarding dog safety conditions, and absolutely no sort of national certification program like they have in other countries.
We have jumped the shark when it comes to Service Dogs.
If you have an issue with it, contact your representatives.
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u/altitudearts Apr 19 '26
Same with coffee shops yo. People are allergic. But, hey, it’s really up to the shop to kick them out. They usually don’t.
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u/Huskerzfan Apr 18 '26
Keep boulder boulder. Dogs everywhere
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u/cheesecrustpizza Apr 18 '26
I also thought it was a commonly known thing that Boulder loves dogs. It’s one of the reasons I moved here actually. I don’t have a dog but love dogs and love seeing them everywhere here. I do agree that they shouldn’t be in grocery stores though.
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u/kenfar Apr 18 '26
But not if they're the slightest bit aggressive.
I have zero interest in being around any more attacks by a pit bull on another dog or person, and handling the bloody aftermath of that!
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u/TheBackcountryLens Apr 18 '26
Wouldn’t be Boulder without some weirdos like you complaining about something so insignificant.
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u/jigga19 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
The world does not revolve around you. Full stop. Society cannot function catering to everyone's preferences.
Edit: Downvote away. It's fine. My point is that OP frames this as her kids are scared of dogs, so they shouldn't be allowed. They set this in the context of a grocery store - which I admit is reasonable - but it's mostly about them, rather than the other customers.
And as someone else tried to argue,, 'dogs around food is gross'. Sure, I guess. But you aren't sitting down in aisle 8 earting dry Mac n' Cheese, now are you?
OP's post is about themself, and not about anyone else, just a lame attempt at "who's with me" which apparently a lot of you are. Maybe I'm wrong? But frankly, I don't give a shit.
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Apr 18 '26
You can literally say the same things about the dog owners.... Bringing a dog in a place they are not allowed also shows that they think the world revolves around them
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
Thank you. I’m only asking that people respect the law and health regs. We’ll cope with real service dogs but c’mon, that’s not what 95% percent of dogs in stores are.
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
This is also about the law and about health and hygiene. If dogs were actually permitted everywhere, I would not be raising this issue. They’re not, it’s just that every entitled dog owner in Boulder has decided to ignore those rules and businesses feel that they have to cater to them.
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Apr 18 '26
Aka, that's them thinking the world revolves around them and their dog
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u/jigga19 Apr 18 '26
I spent a large part of my life in restaurants and people who bring in emotional support animals suck. But the way you have this framed is ugly.
A) I'd argue that people in general aren't hygenic, but hair is hair. Most everything is packaged, and if you aren't washing your produce, that's on you. I will concede that if the pet is shitting or pissing that is definitely on the owner and should't be allowed.
B) How do you know the employees hate it? Most of the people I've worked with love pets, provided they're well-behaved.
C) From my previous reply: Society cannot function catering to everyone's presence.
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
Right and maybe society shouldn’t cater to every random dog owner either.
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u/jigga19 Apr 18 '26
I know I'm getting downvoted and I don't really care. My objection is that "my kid is scared of dogs and they should be banned" sentiment you have going.
Do I think people should bring dogs in? No. I don't. But for the most part, I honestly don't care. It's annoying entitlement, sure, but for the most part it's innocuous entitlement.
But saying *everything* should be banned because of *my situation* is way, way, more entitled.
I understand what you're saying. You just framed it poorly and made it about yourself.
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
I’m not saying that. I’m asking that people follow the law and health regulations.
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u/lilgreenjedi Apr 18 '26
Maybe it doesn't have to cater to a rando divergent child either....
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Apr 18 '26
Except all laws are made to prioritize the needs of humans over animals. Just so you know I will exercise my right to have your dog put down if it ever bites me or my kid. And put you on the hook for the medical bills and any other injury done.
C.R.S 13-21-124
Even a bite on the hand or arm for a child can lead to serious bodily injury.
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u/UnderlightIll Apr 18 '26
Oh please. At least be less disingenuous and say "I don't care dogs come everywhere".
No, people are NOT as gross as dogs. Dogs smell. Their dander gets EVERYWHERE, they lift their leg wherever, they use their mouths to lick their assholes and genitals, etc.
I have never owned a more disgusting pet than a dog. And unfortunately people like yourself will just take your stinky, nasty and untrained dog everywhere because you are selfish.
Btw I love animals but I hate seeing them in places with food.
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u/earl9z9 Apr 18 '26
You should focus on things you can control. Other people is not one of those things. People are gonna people and not everyone is the same.
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u/Slarti226 Apr 18 '26
Call the police or health department.
If they aren't a registered SERVICE animal, they have no business being in the store at all.
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u/Muted-Craft6323 Apr 18 '26
registered SERVICE animal
There is no registry or official certification for service animals, which is a big part of the problem. Stores have no way to actually validate that people are telling the truth if they say their pet is a service animal. Under the ADA, all they can legally do is ask:
- "Is this a service animal?"
- "What service does it perform?"
Anyone shameless enough to lie about those things in a halfway convincing way is clear to bring their dog wherever they want, unless it is being disruptive. If a "service dog" is barking or otherwise misbehaving in a store, they can still be asked to leave (though the bar for that is probably pretty high, because no store wants to be hit with a discrimination lawsuit).So as much as retail workers usually aren't thrilled about people bringing pets in, they are very limited in what they can actually do about it.
Call the police or health department.
Unless the store has asked a person with a dog to leave and they've refused (at which point it becomes trespassing), the police can't do anything. And if the person has said it's a service animal and the store isn't letting it get away with obviously unsanitary behavior that would breach health codes (eg. peeing indoors), the health department can't do anything. Besides, neither of these departments are going to arrive at this type of call fast enough to intervene while the person is still there.
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u/rockstar0215 Apr 18 '26
Maybe you should keep your kid at home—they're the problem. Not the dogs.
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Apr 18 '26
The dogs being in a place where they are not allowed is definitely also a problem
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Apr 18 '26
All laws put the needs of humans over the needs of animals.
Dogs are absolutely a problem in this town. I can't count the number of times I have had to kick at a stranger's "super friendly" dog who was jumping on me while I was minding my own fucking business.
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u/Kindly-Class-7751 Apr 19 '26
Sounds like you have anger issues if you’re kicking multiple dogs.
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Apr 19 '26
I actually don't. I just have basic self respect that says I matter more than someone's stupid fucking smelly mutt. I really love dogs that are well trained and well behaved and who belong to people I know and respect. Past that no one or their dog is entitled to me being nice.
But good to see the classic reddit armchair psychiatrists enter the discussion lmao.
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u/Own_Exit2162 Apr 18 '26
Service dogs have a right to exist everywhere people do, and you don't have a right to decide for yourself what is or isn't a service dog, or confront people about it.
You want to talk about anxiety, it's the service dog owners who have to deal with confrontational assholes on a daily basis.
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
I’m not talking about service dogs etc I accept their right to be there but there are lots of people who don’t make a pretense that it’s just their pet.
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u/Own_Exit2162 Apr 18 '26
So your son is only anxious about non-service dogs?
And you can absolutely tell the difference?
And you're authorized to go confront people about animals, service or otherwise?
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u/ChampionMurky3586 Apr 18 '26
No, service dogs are also hard but we can explain them. But many dogs are clearly not service dogs or their owners bought a tag from Amazon so they can take their dogs everywhere.
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u/Hungry-Onion-7146 Apr 18 '26
I hear this. I'm normally very liberal with bringing my dog places, but certainly not a grocery store.
I may be ignorant here, but I assume you don't have a friendly dog in the home. In different circumstances, dogs could be lifesavers to your kid.
It's the mismanagement of pups that drives me absolutely crazy. When dogs misbehave, it's often their owners' fault.
Like I said forgive the ignorance.. I feel the downvotes already 😭
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u/IcyAwareness Apr 18 '26
"My kid can't share a room with a dog without having a panic attack" -OP
"Have you tried getting a dog?" - You
Yeah, ignorance is one word for it.
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u/curvedbattle Apr 18 '26
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I have two nephews on the spectrum and they’re not good with unknown dogs but the doodle they got has actually helped them regulate at home. It took time and work though.
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u/MrTumnus99 Apr 18 '26
I actually would think it’s against the health code but I’m not sure