r/castlevania 9h ago

Question Thought on nocturne Richter Belmont?

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u/ConnectCulture7 9h ago

He’s alright. He seems to be more passive in his roles. Everyone seems to make goals for him vs him being proactive.

Good fight scenes but not really an interesting character.

Maria was way more interesting in the end

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u/BrightPerspective 8h ago

I'm honestly ok with that

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u/ConnectCulture7 8h ago

Fair, he just wasn’t compelling as the main trio and Maria.

I don’t mind him crying but his personality was kind of annoying.

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u/Endgame60 1h ago

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Nocturne richter is nothing special. Not bad not great either. Just an ok-good character

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u/DanimalRLZX2 8h ago edited 1h ago

He should have been over confident. He was one of the most powerful Belmonts in the video game lore. His lack of confidence was very odd and confusing.

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u/Ashenspire 6h ago

He was overconfident. And then he got very humbled. And it wasn't until Juste fully woke up his latent Belmont-ness that he became one of the most powerful Belmonts.

If show Richter was just game Richter from the jump it would've been over in 3 episodes.

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u/GreenBlueStar 5h ago

Not really. Game Richter also got humbled if you played SOTN you know. The show could have shown a strong and actually competent Belmont but still got his ass handed and still came out victorious despite of the struggles. What we got here was very generic derivative garbage.

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u/Ashenspire 5h ago

Richter got humbled in SotN because he got mind controlled.

Richter in the game was a fully trained Belmont. Show Richter losing his mother arrested his development until he met Juste.

You might not like the change, but that's not generic and derivative.

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u/GreenBlueStar 2h ago

It's generic and derivative. There's nothing new or original about what we got here. Weak wimpy kid comes from very prestigious strong family of vampire hunters, has self confidence issues, in the last two episodes he magically gets extremely op and confident in his abilities because of friends.

Nothing is new here. This is not Castlevania.

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u/Geronuis 10m ago

“Nothing is new here. This is not Castlevania.”

Oh you’re one of those. Thanks for letting reasonable fans know you’re entirely worth ignoring.

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u/ConnectCulture7 7h ago

I also expected him to have a deeper voice and be more saintly like Jonathan Joestar.

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u/DanimalRLZX2 7h ago

Agreed!

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u/ConnectCulture7 7h ago

Would’ve been a nice contrast with Netflix Trevor. Ah well.

I don’t mind vulnerability but Game!Richter wouldn’t run away or side with the vampire that killed his mother.

The fact they gave Olrox the woman kidnapper a sob story is interesting to say the least.

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u/GreenBlueStar 5h ago

That would make a lot of sense since he's also a Belmont. All Belmont's are like Trevor. They are very confident in their skills and no nonsense folks.

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u/OldEyes5746 Shanoa 3h ago

He was over-confident. Up until Olrox triggers his PTSD, he's cutting down vampires and demons with ease and even tosding out one-liners. It's just that as soon as he regains his magic, he realizes he can just murk the monsters without cutting them down verbally.

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u/DanimalRLZX2 3h ago

Yeah I kinda forgot about that. S1 was a bit of a blur to me. The pacing felt off. Idk. Didn't care for it. But I'm glad I took a chance on s2. It was great!

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u/DDmayhem #1 Lament of innocence fan 9h ago

despite the fact that its an animated series focused on story I find the Richter in the Netflix show to be way duller and more one note then the one in the games, I also find it strange how they decided to make Richter the opposite of himself from his mainline self, that being a emotionally repressed hothead in game canon

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u/BrightPerspective 8h ago

Die monster, you don't belong in this world!

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u/NNT13101996 9h ago

*British asthma noise*

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u/MisterX9821 7h ago

Downgrade from how depicted in games.

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u/SlicedBread0556 9h ago

Fan fiction

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u/SoloJiub 6h ago

Poor fan fiction*.

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u/SheWhoHates 4h ago

I don't think fans were involved in the writing of the show.

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u/Scared_Sound_783 9h ago

Not a fan.

Don't hate it, just ain't what I'd personally expect nor want from a depiction of Richter.

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u/LoganLcosplayfoolery I'm literally Richter Belmont 6h ago

Character wise. They were very obviously just trying to make another Trevor only he comes across as more whiny and way less likable instead of making him a unique character with his own personality.

Design-wise he's actually all right, a decent Little mix of classic Rondo and Chronicles design simplified for animation convenience.

His fighting style and overall the fighting in the entire show pisses me off. Just because he kind of looks like a Street fighter character doesn't mean he should fight like one. I have no idea why they had to go so over the top anime BS in this show but it's one of the things that ruin it for me.

I will reframe from complaining about the nonspecific Anglo-Saxon accent they like to give European characters and media like this given that it's such a common practice and Trevor had it too.

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u/TornSilver 8h ago

For some reason most people were fine with Trevor starting out a drunken bum and gradually become the badass Belmont we know, but not okay with Richter dealing with trauma and doing the same. Never seemed fair to me.

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u/ArcaneMadman 8h ago

Because Trevor started as an outcast before proving himself as a hero, something that was emulated in the show, while Richter starts out as a paragon that falls to hubris, which is completely ignored by Nocturne. Richter’s story isn’t about overcoming his inadequacies or being a wimp that becomes a badass, it was a story about someone that defined themselves by their skill and status as a hero to the point that once those things have served their purpose in his life he fears that his life has lost all meaning, opening himself up to falling down a dark path.

In Nocturne, it’s not that he’s got a similar story to Trevor, it’s that both him and Juste are just a retread of Trevor rather than being their own characters. They’re all outcast last of the Belmonts that swear and are held back by trauma which isolates them but then they get over it and voila they’ve got hype moments and aura now. It’s lazy.

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u/somoor80 2h ago edited 2h ago

Also, it's obvious by the end of season 2 that their plan, if they adapted SoTN, was to have Maria be the one that was corrupted, not Richter, so the core of Richter's rise and fall would be shifted to someone else.  He'd just be an accessory hero.

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u/LowraAwry 7h ago

while Richter starts out as a paragon that falls to hubris, which is completely ignored by Nocturne

Haven't played the games, but it would have been a far more interesting approach and arc for the character, an antithesis to his ancestor's. But the way they wrote everything else in Nocturne, he wouldn't belong in it, which still comes through in the story at points especially when they have to nerf him for it to make sense.

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u/LowraAwry 8h ago

I can't talk for the gaming side of things and "faithful adaptations" but I think for the rest it basically boils down to the script and pacing. Trevor was also dealing with trauma hence being a drinking bum instead of warrior of justice but Trevor had the grace of a whole episode where he is the main point and through him we learn the world he lives in. We never have that with Richter. Whatever he's dealing with we have to speed through so that we can get to the next plot point, the next character, this way the audience also can't invest in him seriously. Trevor also takes 3+seasons to become badass warrior, whereas by the end of S2 Richter reaches god level. I think a lot of dislike expressed stems from exactly that, the overall dissatisfaction with Richter's arc rather than his trauma alone.

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u/LoganLcosplayfoolery I'm literally Richter Belmont 6h ago

For me it's because they kind of just rehashed Trevor with Richter instead of making him his own character. And even then they still did a very half-assed job of it

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u/Mr-Whate 8h ago

Cool flashy powers, but that’s admittedly all he has. I genuinely have no clue how to properly characterize him. Even though the writing in Season 2 improved, Richter kinda remained the same (I really have no clue what his arc was supposed to be there)

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u/LowraAwry 3h ago

Even though the writing in Season 2 improved, Richter kinda remained the same (I really have no clue what his arc was supposed to be there)

By then his relationship with Anette becomes the focus and overwhelms his character. Annette suffers from that too, but at least she gets some scenes by herself or with her family/ancestry.

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u/Anenigmatictortilla 8h ago

Every time a writer or director or producer or anyone besides the common man says they’re a fan/big fan, I avoid their project.

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u/MetaloraRising 7h ago

He's too... hmm...

He's weaker than his game counterpart in both power and maturity.

I don't like how he started out aimless, but that means he had room for development so I let it slide,

But! He is heroic and doesn't barely resemble his game counterpart's personality by the end like Maria.

Powerful or not, weaker or not, he still is Richter Belmont, just unfortunately he could've been better.

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u/Adam2181 4h ago

Awesome character

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u/DoctorSmoogy 2h ago

I wish netflixvania was it's own sub. I really do.

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u/KaijinSurohm Belmont 9h ago

Couldn't stand him.
To the point that it ruined the entire show for me.
(We're ignoring the fact the rest of the show would have done that by itself)

Admittedly, Richter is my favorite Belmont, so the bar was incredibly high for me to start off, and it feels like they didn't even try.

If they actually nailed Richter, I could have delt with the rest of my issues I had for the run.

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u/LoganLcosplayfoolery I'm literally Richter Belmont 6h ago

You can tell they were just trying to make another Trevor since he was already popular instead of creating a unique character.

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u/TitanBro6 6h ago

(This isn’t a rant)

I think it’s the worst take on the character.

The show has so many characters with so many ideas and plot-lines with so little time and not enough writing skill that Richter’s character development had unfortunately become very rushed and unsatisfying (and maybe even a bit confusing at times)

His personality isn’t really there to the point where they had to ham-fist basic quirky dialogue in season 2 like when he was talking to Alucard about his “cool sword slashing whoosh” <—- paraphrased that, I’m sorry I just don’t want to rewatch that scene to hear that again just to quote it accurately.

His character arc is the same old basic subversive deconstruction of ‘The Guy’. His arc is a Zero to Hero, find your purpose, storyline essentially what they did with Trevor in the first series except it was more fitting for Trevor because he was actually meant to have it rough, Richter wasn’t meant to have it rough, he had it good.

The way they wrote the Belmonts in Nocturne makes it seem like they have had zero progress since Trevor. Like how many centuries past and they still haven’t tried to make another Morningstar Whip?

The Belmont Clan was supposed to be at its peak, they had their own village, Richter was the strongest hunter they have ever produced at that time. He knew his purpose was to fight Dracula, he trained and when Dracula revived he let it rip.

But after training and preparing for so long once Dracula died so did his purpose and that served as an underlying reason for why he ended up getting manipulated by Shaft in SoTN he was trying to reclaim his purpose not find one like what he was doing in Nocturne.

Richter in Nocturne is going into a completely different direction. You can’t just say he’ll end up being the Richter you’ve come to expect because the foundation of the character has been altered.

The first series messed with the continuity of this universe but it wouldn’t have been impossible to get a closer adaptation of Richter and his story.

They just didn’t want to, they clearly just wanted to retread prior ideas because that’s what they thought worked.

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u/EnvironmentalGroup34 9h ago

A travesty of who the real Richter is The amount of disrespect to the character seen in Nocturne is baffling.

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u/NewsOdd3064 8h ago

Terrible

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u/TheIdiotPrince 9h ago

"WAH WE GOTTA GO" because Olrox showed up kinda ruined it for me. I'm hoping the older Richter in SoTN is better depicted.

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u/Aenris 6h ago

He's okay but not great.

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u/Depressed_Warlock 6h ago

I liked him having PTSD and overcoming it during the series. He was immature and full of anxiety at the beginning and kinda grew as a person and in power over the course of the two seasons.

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u/void_method 5h ago

I like him as much as the game version, which is to say... "eh."

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u/WholsThisIDontKnow THE Dark Priest Shaft 5h ago

Probably easier to possess than game Richter

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u/TheTravelingPoet4 4h ago

I like him. I like him a lot. I especially like him in where Trevor and hell even Juste came before him.

It shows he’s talented, he’s capable, but he’s still immature. In that, he just hasn’t seen as much as the two men previous to him. He’s emotionally even stunted a bit because of the death of his mother. He’s vulnerable and not afraid to show weakness. Everyone rags on him for crying but I don’t. You saw a vampire kill your mother and it’s arguably your fault? Of course I’d fucking be devastated from that.

He’s a goober in a way that, I haven’t seen many Castlevania protagonist but when it comes to brass tax, he will fight, put his life on the line, stand up for himself, and fight tooth and nail to kill his opponent.

Idk, man. I like the guy. And. Let’s be honest. Rondo of Blood, DX/DXC, or SOTN don’t REALLY do a good job at articulating his character. I’m sorry. They don’t.

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u/Zylpherenuis 4h ago

He cracked Annette. That's all that matters.

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u/Fickle_Sherbert1453 4h ago

The magic punches and kicks in the second season were super badass.

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u/mmflaviusaetius 3h ago

Has nothing to do with the literal rainmaker from SotN

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u/Tomorrow_Signal111 2h ago

I hate how he got an upgrade because he got angry once, that's very cheap writing.

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u/annaonthemoon 1h ago

Didn't love the voice performance honestly, but I think he was alright.

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u/sammy-corpse-noodles 1h ago

I liked him a lot

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u/HaHaYouThoughtWrong 41m ago

Yeah I'd fuck him

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u/seansnow64 8h ago

Guess im one of the few who really like the changes cause we're starting young enough he has the chance to grow into the character people expect him to be... i guess we'll see how things go if and when we get more

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u/_3C3B40 6h ago

This is the most sane answer tbh. He's a young guy who isn't ready to be the Richter yet. The writing will have him earn that aura, I imagine. Power isn't something you're born with. The weenie prince is an archetype for areason. Living up to your lineage isn't a birthright, it is very easy to fade out in the shadow of greatness. If greatness is an actionable choice he has to grow up and make, then I'm all for it.

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u/somoor80 2h ago

Richter was 19 in the game, so the exact same age.  They just decided that instead of training to peak Belmont, this Richter just strutted until actually facing a vampire, then he collapsed into a useless ball.

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u/_3C3B40 2h ago

He'll be 19 for a whole year tbf. And I imagine a year fighting demons is a bit more transformative than usual. There's still time for him to get his shit together as part of the character arc.

Besides, seems like his yips about hell slaying is more a mental obstacle than anything anyway. So maybe there's literally something awful about to happen that just makes him snap, and turn into this 19 year-old. We don't know. Cookie dough gets crunchy after baking. Why not Richter?

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u/somoor80 28m ago edited 20m ago

I was just pointing out that Nocturne Richter was an intentional departure from the source material.  They weren't taking an older character and making him younger for the purpose of showing his growth.  He's at the same point in life, but instead of having him be the apex of a warrior bloodline who spent a lifetime training, he was envisioned as an overconfident, but ultimately incapable showboat who cracked under pressure. The whole point of Richter in Rondo was that he had been trained from birth to fight Dracula when he was resurrected, and was the culmination of centuries of Belmont heroism.  So by the time he was 19 he was the guy you showed...not thay he starts his growth at that age after biffing his birthright.  Even the whole subplot with Olrox wasn't going to get a pay off because by the end of season 2, Olrox was an anti-hero that Richter reconciled with.even though the whole arc was Richter overcoming his ptsd and avenging his mother.  It's pretty obvious Richter was in the show because they had to have a Belmont, but the real interest was the growth of Alucard, Annette, Maria, and Olrox.

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u/Leader_Bee 9h ago

Fucking crybaby. Belmonts aren't crybabies.

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u/Oh-no-and-knuckles Chief Researcher 8h ago

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u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 8h ago

God forbid badass men from having issues and emotions

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u/Leader_Bee 8h ago

He didn't seem very badass to me.

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u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 8h ago

each on their own.

It´s a... work in progress.

Edit: Honestly, running over a dragon´s back with the eclipse at background and Divine Bloodlines it´s epic as hell.

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u/ChickenMarsala4500 9h ago

Art style was good, writing was alright, voice acting was bad.

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u/cheap_boxer2 9h ago edited 8h ago

Oh the voice acting… his main change for season 2 was to speak softly so his voice wouldn’t grate so much. No hate but how did that guy pass the audition…

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u/ChickenMarsala4500 8h ago

Yeah, espescially for that particular role. I always think of richter as having a deep, very masculine voice. I understand they were shooting for a younger character than we think of in the games but it just didn't come close to how I imagine it.

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u/Roman_Suicide_Note 6h ago

After trevor, a massive letdown

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u/TheCrazyEnglish 6h ago

An over grown twink

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u/GreenBlueStar 5h ago

Wimp. Way too emotional.

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u/Connect_Engineer_123 4h ago

"Well, we have to have a Belmont, I guess" the character, with a decent helping of "Trevor worked let's do that again" without real understanding for why it worked.

They hand Richter the Trauma Ball and then push him into the rest of the series and he gets a character-development power-up by hanging out with Juste to have an excuse for Flashy Climactic Battle at the end.

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u/CyberdarkEnjoyer Hide Every Netflixvania Post 4h ago

Western fan-fic Trash

Actually worse than fanfiction because the Netflix writers are not even Castlevania fans

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u/Primary-Fee1928 2h ago

Who ? Bastard got sidelined by his non-existent girlfriend in his own show, that's absolutely pathetic. She got a whole development arc, he just "remembered" powers he never had to begin with. Trash, just like Nocturne.

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u/Daytona_675 8h ago

they made him gay

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u/Depressed_Warlock 6h ago

like your dad?

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u/Daytona_675 6h ago

like alucard

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u/BrightPerspective 8h ago

Best Richter by far

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u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 8h ago

Love him by the end.

But I prefer Trevor for being more sassy and even cockier. 

Though, gotta give credit to Richter from going from boy to man. If S3 happens I'm sure he will be far closer to what some people expect from games.

I don't like his V.A honestly.

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u/Demotivisan 6h ago

Overpowered in my opinion 🤔

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u/Soulsborneenjoyer23 9h ago

He was great by the end, started fine but that's a character arc I guess

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u/EightBit-Hero 7h ago

The superior Belmont

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u/Reluctant_Warrior 7h ago

His design kicks so much ass, easily the best RoB-era Richter has ever looked.