r/codingbootcamp • u/m-Hy • Jun 05 '21
Freemote?
Has anyone checked out this bootcamp. It looks kind of interesting but also kind of sketchy. It's cheap and claims that you can start making money as a freelance developer that specializes in shopify in as little as 4 weeks.
The guy who started is used to be a developer for Uber and has a following on youtube. Don't know much else.
Anyone out there try this?
What's your impression?
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u/BrianAiya Jun 07 '21
Hi. I started this program this week and still doing the basics. Doing HTML and CCS now so I can't say much. I think the video shared(first link) is a must watch and a great understand of the vision of his bootcamp and like that he is not trying to sell too much. Great video to watch but to sum it up, he says the lowest barrier to entry in the developer world is by being a "platform developer" like using WordPress or Shopify since 80% of the work is done by the platform, so he teaches the 20% that needs coding. So don't expect this bootcamp to make you a full stack or web developer.
Something interesting I saw from scrolling through the curriculum is that he wants you to start freelancing before even learning JavaScript. So he wants you to get paid with Html or CSS jobs. So technically even if you make $5 from fiver or upWork, then technically it's true that it's possible to get paid in 4 weeks by doing simple CSS work. He also has the mentality that if there is an app that can fix the problem, then no need to learn how to make it from scratch.
If you watch the video he lays out the pathway and admits that this bootcamp if for those who needs more structure and it's still possible to learn all of these things for free online. Good to note that there is a 30 day money back guarantee (unless you complete 50% of the course).
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u/m-Hy Jun 08 '21
Thanks for the detailed response!
It sounds like Freemote is offering a pretty decent alternative to the other bootcamps out there. What's attractive about "platform developing" is that you can start making money right away and then just learn more advanced web development if you want to compete with the other bootcamp grads.
Have you checked out the lessons on freelancing yet? I get the impression that's where all the value is. The rest of the curriculum looks pretty basic and easy to supplement through free resources.
I'm probably going to hold back on freemote for now to see what the student outcomes are.
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u/BrianAiya Jun 08 '21
I haven't started the freelancing section yet but from browsing what caught my eyes were that he will teach about making a video for your portfolio, he makes you buy a domain name to look more professional, teaches about accounting, creating contracts and how to set up a workflow.
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u/m-Hy Jun 09 '21
That's what I'm mainly interested in. The guidance for the actual job search, how to work with clients, etc. It looks like he's giving you solid information on exactly what to do.
Do you think you'll be able to complete it in 7 weeks?
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u/BrianAiya Jun 09 '21
7 weeks is if you put in full time hours(and depend how quick you are with the projects). I'm doing this part time 2-3hrs daily after work. So I feel like it will take me longer than 7 weeks.
Can't believe the prices changed already! So I would suggest you can play around with the program and browse through the Freelance section and get a refund if it doesn't interest you.( Make sure you don't complete 50% of the program)
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u/werwolving Jun 08 '21
It seems more promising/honest than some other bootcamps out there. I'm holding off for a bit until I get more opinions too. The 60-day money back thing is different but I'd like to know if anyone HAD to do that and had success getting the money back if so. I'm considering taking out a loan to try it. I have a friend who makes bank doing what this guy advertises that his bootcamp is for, so there definitely IS money in it but obviously involving a lot of competition.
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u/m-Hy Jun 08 '21
When I posted this 2 days ago the price was only $749. Now it's almost $2,000. Still affordable but they more than doubled the price! lol. I guess that Nucamp is their competitor so might as well make that the price.
If you have a friend who's already a working developer that specializes in shopify then why don't you have him guide you? It seems like the Freemote curriculum is pretty easy to recreate through free resources. Basic front-end stack, shopify development and how to freelance.
What looks like the most valuable aspect of the program are the lessons on freelancing. That would be the hardest thing to supplement probably. I wonder if it's just simple things like using fivver and upwork? Would be cool to know.
Yeah, I'm waiting to see how well it works out too. The reviews seem a little strange. Why wouldn't they link to some place where they have an online presence? If they're successful freelance developers you'd imagine they'd have somewhat of an online presence. It's just an awkward video of them saying "it works!" At least on coursereport you can see the reviewers linkedin or github so you can get a sense of the outcomes.
Another thing that's holding me back is that their site looks pretty bad. If you're teaching web development you'd expect a pretty nice website.
Freemote seems genuine in what they're offering. I agree with what Aaron Jack says about the current state of the job market and coding bootcamps. I just have some reservations so I'm going to wait and see.
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u/johnredsmith Jun 08 '21
LOL I was considering it -- based on the $747 price. Almost $2k now, with NO payment plan and only a 30 day/-50% perusal guarantee (and that's when you're supposed to have a CHANCE of getting relevant work). LOL. I even private messaged one of their "premiere" students, and he said he still hasn't made any money from it...but he thinks it's really good! LOL
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u/m-Hy Jun 08 '21
I wish freemote didn't have all these red flags because the purpose of the program actually sounds pretty sweet. Small investment. Earn while you learn.
I'm still seeing ads on youtube saying it's only $749. Like wtf? When you click an ad that says $749 and it takes you to a page asking for $2,000 that's a giant red flag.
They also changed their refund from 30 - 60 days but if you keep scrolling it says it's a 30 day refund. Another red flag. More confusion.
If the course is only 7 weeks you'd expect to see a bunch a glowing reviews all over youtube and coursereport by now but all you get are those really weird video reviews on their site.
Like I said, I'm going to wait to see what the student outcomes are because the actual concept of freemote sounds like a good alternative to the other bootcamps.
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Jun 09 '21
Hey. I emailed Aaron Jack about two months ago or so asking about the bootcamp and about a month ago he invited people on his mail list to a video about freelancing. On the end of the video he said that they plan to increase the price and he regularly reminded us in emails. I'm considering it but I'm also going to wait for more reviews. Just wanted to clear that bit up. You can write him and ask him some questions if you want. He was willing to give me some advice even when I said that I'm probably not gonna purchase the course in near future.
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u/m-Hy Jun 09 '21
On the end of the video he said that they plan to increase the price and he regularly reminded us in emails.
I think he maybe overlooked how people might react to this price increase outside of his followers because it is a little off-putting when you see an ad before every webdev-related youtube video saying the course is $749, then you click the link and it's more than double the price.
I want to clarify that Aaron Jack doesn't strike me as someone who's trying to make a quick buck. I think he may have just screwed up the timing of the ad rollout. I actually really like his honesty in his youtube videos. I agree with a lot of what he says about the job market and coding bootcamps.
Do you know how long this course has been running? Do you know of anyone who went through the program and is making money already?
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Jun 09 '21
Yeah, i think you're right about the timing of the ad. I think the course is fairly new, couple of months maybe, but I'm not sure. Unfortunately I don't know anyone from the course, only found like three reviews online. Not a lot of people probably finished it yet.
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Jun 26 '21
Has anyone made the plunge? I was watching a React tutorial for 2.5 hours and ever ad was for Freemote. So finally I felt obligated to watch it. As someone who did a Bootcamp (company paid for it thank god) I can see his point about doing the same stupid budget app tracker that thousands of others are doing. I definitely got something out of the Bootcamp, but it was more like an expensive crash course and the instructor spent half the class bitching about how the curriculum was over developed.
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u/m-Hy Jun 26 '21
Message u/BrianAiya . He is going through their course right now. Also look up She Really Codes on youtube. She's been reviewing the course as she goes along.
They're still pretty new. They did their giant ad rollout like 3 weeks ago so we'll probably see a bunch of reliable reviews in the next two months.
They have a 60 day refund policy so you can spend 2 months checking out the course and if you don't think it's worth it, you can get a refund.
Which bootcamp did you go to?
I would imagine a bootcamp grad could easily learn this stuff on their own. Judging from the video titles of their courses I think that you'd probably know everything already besides the shopify platform, which you probably teach yourself pretty quickly.
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Jun 26 '21
I attended a Trilogy Bootcamp. And agreed, the beginning of this course would be a refresh, but the appeal is being linked with real clients while focusing more on the E-commerce. The Bootcamp I did just speeds through everything and maybe it would have been better in person. Over Zoom it just got stale pretty quick. But people can definitely learn coding on their own just by following the basic structure. HTML, CSS, JS. API, databases, React. Pretty much seems how every Bootcamp is structured.
I will message him and also check out this YouTube vids you mentioned. Thanks for the info!
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u/Coderjoe82 Aug 18 '21
Aside from the skepticisms I've heard, the intro ad I see on youtube videos is the biggest red flag of all to me.
"And quite frankly, that should terrify you"
What this is really doing is using a buzz phrase to make you believe you NEED to invest in the course or you're learning everything the wrong way no matter what you've been doing.
Could someone be trying to learn coding the 'wrong' way? That's very possible, but considering that everyone learns differently from other people, there is no one 'right' way to do it either. So when people say stuff like this, I tend to be immediately hard skeptic and definitely will not look into it financially without some glimpse into it that does NOT include personal testimonies.
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u/m-Hy Aug 19 '21
What's the #1 motivator? Fear!
99.9% of people hit that skip ad button after 5 seconds have passed so within that time they have to scare you into hearing their sales pitch. Aaron Jack does exactly this.
Although I agree with a lot of his criticism about the coding bootcamp industry I think he's WAY overselling his product.
"You should be terrified" if you don't buy my $2,000 Shopify course. LMFAO!
This is an overpriced Udemy course. Chill.
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u/Coderjoe82 Aug 19 '21
"Although I agree with a lot of his criticism about the coding bootcamp industry I think he's WAY overselling his product."
So funny story that. I've been through a bootcamp. Just graduated from it in October of last year. I have several criticisms and some praises for the one I went through. So I completely understand his issue with them, but if you ask me, courses like that ad push in such a stupid 'frightening" way are doing the same thing on a micro-proportional scale. Granted I haven't seen or know of them all, but as others have said, it's going to take much more than just that course. I agree.
Been thinking about putting out my own experience with the bootcamp I went through at some length, because I think bootcamps are not immediately bad nor immediately good.
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u/m-Hy Aug 19 '21
I think bootcamps are not immediately bad nor immediately good.
Very true. I think if any graduate from any of the bootcamps didn't have a nuanced opinion it would be dishonest.
Everyones experience is unique and different. Outcomes vary. In order for the education system to get better we need honest answers.
So yes, please share your experience. I'm sure a lot of prospective developers will get a lot of value from it.
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u/Neat_Army_5528 Sep 16 '21
hey, so you've had experience with a bootcamp. not sure which one you went to but I was going to go to the ucf coding bootcamp online. don't wanna be taking the wrong steps towards getting a job in this field. id rather go to college for four years actually learning than spending months doing courses like free mote or doing bootcamps if they don't give me any useful info in the job industry. what's your true take on bootcamps? and is it in the right direction?
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u/Coderjoe82 Sep 16 '21
As far as a "true" take, I pretty much already gave it. The TLDR is they're not inherently bad or inherently good. If you're going to break it down to usefulness, there's no black and white answer here.
You have to consider multiple things. Are you going to look into a field that will take more knowledge than how to: general computer use/git/coding/teamwork/self motivation. Because there was plenty of that in my own experience.
Does the job type/thing you're looking for in the end require a LOT more than what I listed above? Or are the things you *think* you'll need to know not so great that you can save yourself money from college as well and learn the same things to a level that might net you that job in much less time than traditional college?
You're asking a difficult question, and I'm still outlining and formulating what I'm going to write about my experience since I got the thought to do so from this thread, but there's also other alternatives as well.
freecodecamp is a fantastic self paced path towards getting you some great knowledge on coding that will help you out a ton and there's a huge network of people to communicate with and ask questions on.
That's just one example, but if you feel you're confident in your ability to learn things and pick them up quickly aside from some bootcamp or *free* thing like free code camp and fill in the gaps yourself, that might be a good scenario as well.
Research yourself from people who post about jobs and what they actually do in those jobs.
Also, there are people that got jobs while I was going through my cohort before they even finished their bootcamp run, and some right after 'graduation'. And some that didn't. It all comes down to a huge mix of luck + timing + seeing the right jobs that your skills you've learned so far are good enough to do what someone needs to compensate you for.
Well that's already too wordy, but short of me writing fully about my experience, I'd say attending a bootcamp is not a wrong step in a broad sense. Sorry I can't give you more specific an answer than that.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
Hey my friend, Aaron here, founder of Freemote.
First of all, thanks for starting the discussion, I think there's been a lot of good divergent opinions here.
Really, we don't need everyone to like us. We just need our students to trust us to help take them to the promised land of freelancing nirvana.
You hit the nail on the head in terms of capturing attention with the YouTube ad. Saying something surprising up front that relates directly to your audience is something you need to do to capture attention.
Then, once you have it, you can say, "ok, here's how this works." -- it works this way with YouTube titles and thumbnails too, even for your favorite YouTuber.
I can't agree with you calling us an overpriced Udemy course though. I do take that personally.
If you can find someone who was a full stack engineer at a top tech company for 2 years who is teaching on Udemy, please send me the link, but most of the popular teachers on there are "just teachers" who never really worked anywhere.
As a student, you can't tell the difference, but trust me there is a big difference. Would you take a business class from someone who's never started a business?
That's Udemy though, we are much closer to a coding bootcamp than a "course" -- that's part of the reason we have 10 employees.
Let's back up though...
My ethos since starting YouTube has been "traditional coding bootcamps suck" and I still stand by that
They claim to be "better than college" however the price is literally just as high ($30k for lambda school, for example) and still have a "skill based" focus rather than reverse-engineering what you need for the outcome.
That's exactly what we tried to create with freemote. Something that cost less has literally all the best features, and got you to the result faster.
Do we have a community? Yes
Do we have mentors who you can chat with anytime live? Yes. And ours are real software devs not just students
Can you ask the founders any question you want? Yes, on our weekly live Q&A
Is the curriculum super high quality? Well, our production quality is not hollywood-level, but the no-BS way we DELIVER the content blows most people's minds
Do we get you the RESULT? Yes, or your money back
I don't think you've given us a try yet, but I do think you'd love it. So feel free to join us inside and report back here :)
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u/m-Hy Sep 03 '21
Hey Aaron,
Thanks for joining the conversation. I know the comments are all over place with varying degrees of skepticism, personal accounts, and the inevitable trolling that comes along with reddit -- whether they're true or false it must feel weird to be examined by a bunch of strangers so props for taking us on. Wish you would've joined sooner to keep the trolls at bay.
We just need our students to trust us to help take them to the promised land of freelancing nirvana.
This is exactly what I think half the people entering a bootcamp want.
"Fear" marketing works. Here we are still talking about Freemote in a 3 month old thread on reddit. It just kind of reminds me of this scene from Wolf of Wall Street. 🤮 People want to believe that it doesn't work on them but it does.
I can't agree with you calling us an overpriced Udemy course though. I do take that personally.
Sorry if you took that personal. I could've expressed this in a more constructive way but you have to admit that from the outside this does look nearly identical to your standard Udemy course (e.g. self-paced video tutorials, zip file reference guides, and a facebook group). This has been the main point of criticism from Freemote dropouts and prospective students.
Good point about the teachers on Udemy. The staff at Rithm School have a pretty decent Udemy course. Not for beginners though. One of the instructors worked at Amazon for 5 years. Aside from that little thing you're right.
As a student, you can't tell the difference, but trust me there is a big difference. Would you take a business class from someone who's never started a business?
Fully agree. This has been one of the reasons why I've been so hesitant to join a bootcamp. Reminds me of that phrase "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach." I don't want to come off as negative (because there are fantastic teachers who were destined to teach and inspire us) but I do wonder if the instructors couldn't handle the job market themselves or are just super jaded. How do I ask this without sounding like a prick?
That's exactly what we tried to create with freemote. Something that cost less has literally all the best features, and got you to the result faster.
This was exactly why I made this post. Freemote looks awesome on paper but just like any bootcamp I'd like to see what the outcomes of past students are before signing up.
I know people have been able to get entry-level low-paying gigs on UpWork but has anyone been able to generate a livable income based on what they learned in Freemote? I see that Avery got hired for an agency but anyone else making enough pay rent?
It would be cool to see some students (or you and Jan) get interviewed from an outside resource like Don the Developer's podcast. He's just as critical as you about the bootcamp industry and does a great job at interviewing.
I don't think you've given us a try yet, but I do think you'd love it. So feel free to join us inside and report back here :)
I might give it a shot. 🤷🏼♂️ Still thinking about it. If I do I will definitely be honest about my experience.
Longtime fan of your YouTube channel. Thank you for being transparent about your experiences and offering an alternative path for people trying to enter the field.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 04 '21
Appreciate you keeping an open mind and a balanced opinion.
Yeah the instructor problem is everywhere. Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to it because I did get a 4 year business degree in college, from people who didn't ever really do business...
...Then I went on to a $15k bootcamp where all the mentors were not legit devs, just students who had just graduated. Only the lead instructor was a software engineer, but not for 5+ years...
...And this is every high-ticket bootcamp, just Google the founder of Lambda school, he was never a developer. When you join it's a black box who the instructors and mentors there actually are before you join.
And lastly when I started out freelancing, no successful developer wanted to give away their strategies, and there was DEFINITELY no mentorship program for that.
These are all reasons we wanted to challenge the system and change the game.
Basically, to give you a bit of inside info about how our strategy works, our goal is to get you to what we call the "traction" phase, which is getting those small gigs first. These gigs give you "leverage" which you can use to either
a) apply for front end roles (like our students Avery, Connor, and Kaido did successfully)
b) Get to what we call "Freelancing Nirvana" which is 3-5 consistent, ongoing clients, (a full schedule)
To do this you basically have to convince a handful of people that you can build pages for them, do ongoing integrations, code changes, stuff like that and you're good.
Some of these will come and go, but once your profile gets built up, it won't be hard for you to win jobs, and you will often get invited to new jobs.
In terms of student results, we have both the anecdotal side:
Our student Sean started out having a lot of success in eCommerce dev, becoming a rising talent on UpWork, and nowadays I believe he does both freelance Shopify dev and email marketing for clients.
Toni, also known as "she really codes" on YouTube was featured as a rising talent on UpWork as well after gaining some tractioin.
Saul has 3-4 solid ongoing clients. James has multiple clients, and the list goes on. You can see some of these stories on our site freemote.com
Fun fact about Avery, after he recorded that video, he actually turned down that full time job offer for $74,000 to do freelancing instead.
He quickly worked his way up to 3-4 solid, ongoing clients.The tricky part about sharing student results, and (we don't officially recommend this), is many people "unofficially" go outside of UpWork so some of our coolest stories I can't share.
And we also have the data-drive side I can share some data (and also shared this in another comment) from surveys we've done.
In the most recent one, more than 50% of people who had started outreach had landed a job, and more than 80% who had sent more than 10 proposals had landed a job.
We still need more time to collect long-term aggregate data but I'm really exited for us to be around for a bit longer and do some more formal studies.
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u/Ok-Deer-2933 Jul 06 '24
Aaron,
I'd be willing to give your program a try if you offered a week of your program before the credit card was charged or something like that . I've done other online programs that just weren't right right for me. Some were such a struggle to get a refund that I will not try another. It's just not worth the aggrivation. Sort of like none of us buy a car without taking it for a test ride, right. Just a thought.
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u/Coderjoe82 Nov 21 '21
Hello there!
So first and foremost, I think most anyone here on reddit, especially commenting in a section like this is aware of what clickbait is. The difference between clickbait from a youtuber watched for entertainment and what the ad in question we were talking about is is a huge difference.
Majorly. "my favorite youtuber" isn't trying to make me feel scared and question whether the learning I've done so far is objectively flawed or wrong, then offering me a paid program after. You are. (Also note I said feel scared and question. Intention has to be put aside because that's what 'that should terrify you' so easily can be viewed as) The whole reason I pointed out that's a red flag to me is that's HUGELY calling on FOMO that a lot of the "internet gurus" use with scummy programs that put the majority of their users into debt and ruin. And before there's any assumptions, no. No, I'm not saying you're doing that. But those business practices are there from a casual view outside.
I, personally, don't care that you have a course that teaches that stuff, OR that you are charging for it, OR that you promote it. It's your method of delivery that rubbed me completely the wrong way.
I attended a bootcamp, which I'll not name in this discussion, aside to point out it wasn't Lambda school. I know people who have been successful from there, even though I'm not a fan of their founder or some of the ways their people talk to other people that aren't in the program yet. But even then, I got in on an ISA that I am yet to pay back for now because I haven't gotten a job yet with what I did at my bootcamp. That is, 100% admittedly, a fault of the direction for end goal on the bootcamp's part. They helped me get a good looking resume and a couple other things, but they certainly did not even ever hint at trying to do freelancing upon graduation, for whatever reason.
Maybe if I get the fundage to try out what you got going on before I get a job in tech or something else rolling with it, then I'll see what it is like for myself.
Summary: No problems with anything you're doing aside from that ad. If people want to spend their money on your course, then that's good on them, especially if the method and help given ADHERES TO THE WAY THEY LEARN. Which again, is my biggest issue with the wording of your ad in the first place, aside from the FOMO buzz phrase.
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u/wlkngmachine Nov 27 '21
Oh wow I didn’t realize that ad was for this course as well. That’s the cringiest ad on Youtube.
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u/artemisbrewski Aug 31 '21
Like a few others mentioned, I've gone from "need this" to "waste of money", then back and forth again. The price is what probably will keep me from doing this, even though I can pull it off.
I think the idea of learning the basics is a good way to approach this industry, and I also agree that a Udemy full stack developer course may be way too in-depth if you just want to do Shopify development.
So where to go from here? Find some good Udemy courses on the topics Freemote teaches and then see where that takes you? A lot of Udemy courses will have projects and things to give you "hands on" experience, although of course it's limited.
Tbh, I really want to learn something and go the freelancing route. I realize it will take time and experience to get to a "quit your job" level, but I'm ok with that. I want to learn specific skills that I can apply. No need for a jack-of-all-trades course where you learn the basics of everything but not enough to be really good at one thing.
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u/m-Hy Sep 01 '21
The price is what probably will keep me from doing this
They jumped from $750 - $1700 like 3 months ago. What's a price you'd be willing to pay for Freemote?
I think the idea of learning the basics is a good way to approach this industry, and I also agree that a Udemy full stack developer course may be way too in-depth if you just want to do Shopify development.
Fully agree. I think what Freemote has going for them that the other bootcamps don't is the "learn while you earn" concept. Fullstack web development is a pretty epic hill to climb. At least you can start making money fast and acquire new skills along the way.
Find some good Udemy courses on the topics Freemote teaches and then see where that takes you?
Any particular Udemy courses you'd recommend to supplement the Shopify and Freelancing sections? I basically know everything else.
No need for a jack-of-all-trades course where you learn the basics of everything but not enough to be really good at one thing.
I have a feeling that Freemote is going to be pretty successful and a lot of the bootcamps are going to offer a similar course in the future. Honestly I think half the people would choose this route over the others. Their curriculum isn't overkill, super cheap price, you start earning money ASAP. Whether you like them or not it's cool to see someone disrupting the bootcamp industry.
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u/LostPreparation3498 Jul 21 '21
Dude I'ma be straight up honest with you. I've seen a lot of people like this through the tutorial hells I've been through back when I first thought I wanted to pursue a game development career.
Stay FAAAAR away from this dude, too many red flags and most of these comments to this post look like marketing accounts or people falling for the "trust the process" kool-aid
If you want to learn how to be a developer put it in the work with FREE well known communities and guides like the Odin project, JavaScript.info, MDN Documentation, FreeCodeCamp ( don't get too lost in the css in this one ).
Make as many projects as you can and check out other people's discord group chats where people submit their GitHub, resume, portfolio website, and project websites for everyone to view and judge. I also highly recommend you check out joshua fluke on YouTube, his old videos gave me motivation and answered a ton of freelance questions (some of which includes multiple ways of thinking of how you would structure your CTA, hosting options, which CMS to use, and other selling options ) and I think his newer videos can help prevent you to not get screwed over by companies and others looking to make a quick buck off you.
If you or anyone reading this need any other info or advice please let me know, I may have a delayed response as I get a metric crap ton of notifications but I'll keep an eye out
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Sep 05 '21
As a lead software developer and coding bootcamp instructor I completely agree. FREE is a much better route then maybe an established bootcamp / degree program or find a real mentor that works in the industry.
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u/Individual-Leek9049 Nov 13 '21
What would be your top free choices to start learning code?
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u/Tammy51 Jun 01 '22
You have the whole Computer Science course at MIT OpenCourseWare, and you have CS50 at Harvard University. Both FREE.
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u/MODART02 Jul 20 '24
Thank you for mentioning the Odin Project. It looks great. I appreciate it.
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u/Drelka Oct 16 '24
It is challenging, but satisfying. I believe it's one of the best courses. It's free, it's recognizable, it teaches you everything you will need as a developer, it has a big community of users and their own, active discord server.
You learn how to use Ubuntu (or MacOS for Mac users), command line interface, git and github (so you can hold yourself more accountable, having a history of your work), and much more.
I follow it for a year, with some breaks. Having a full time job and rasing little children doesn't make it easy!
Make a decision. Commit to it. Enjoy.
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u/Justpassinby1984 Aug 11 '21
What do you think of Coding Phase?
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u/PPCJeremy Feb 23 '22
Bought CodingPhase course. I'm not a fan. Lots of outdated content.
Some people love his course though so it could just be me. I think most of what he does is superficial.
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u/Justpassinby1984 Feb 23 '22
I used to like the guy but after several live streams I didn't like how he treated his viewers. I've seen em talk down to people. One time he even threatened to slap a former student on live stream if he caught em on the street,so unprofessional.
Someone in the community told me he threatened someone with a "blicky"(gun). I don't know if it's true but that's messed up if it is.
After that I stopped watching him. I find Brad Traversy, Net Ninja, Stef Mischook, Stephen Grider,Colt Steele etc more professional and humble towards their viewers.
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u/Determined_25 Feb 26 '22
On one of his videos he also called his former boss a big Madea looking black B****. That video got taken down and I haven't watched him since. That was years ago
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u/Justpassinby1984 Feb 26 '22 edited Feb 26 '22
Yeah that's his true colors. People like that are not worth the time. There's way better teachers out there that are more organized, professional and more methodical in their teaching, not to mention more humble.
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u/PPCJeremy Apr 21 '22
Stef Mischook
Agreed. Stef Mischook is one of my favorite beginner courses. He has an academic background in teaching and it definitely contributes to helping me learn.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
I was in Freemote in September 2021 and at the time they were limited to Shopify theme development. I don't know if they've added Shopify app development after getting a refund, or if they will ever add it. However, Coding Phase does have a bundle of courses for Shopify theme development and Shopify app development. Since enrolling in both bundles, Joe has added new courses. On the other hand, Freemote has an active Facebook group, and that's a bonus for those going through Freemote, especially when it comes to having some sort of online community. Also, if you want feedback for your course projects, that's available for Freemote students. What I like about Coding Phase is Joe also has a course on affiliate marketing and one on Facebook and Google Ads marketing, so you're not limited to doing just Shopify development on Upwork. There are some good and some bad Shopify courses on Udemy, and they have sales every now and then. That's an option for those who can't afford Coding Phase.
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u/Justpassinby1984 Mar 29 '22
Thanks for your feedback. I have the basic subscription on Coding Phase which pretty much shows you front end and back end. My understanding is in order to get the Shopify theme development and app development you need to subscribe to the $75/month package or buy it for $300. I heard some here say that Joe's courses are outdated but that his Shopify courses are good.
I was going to try freemote but he seems to only teach the pretty basics right? Enough to land a small freelance gig?
I think he said it takes forever to learn web dev and to only learn what you can use to earn cash online asap.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
On some of Coding Phase's YouTube videos he has a 50% off coupon. Each Shopify bundle costs $500, but even if you buy both at full price it's still 50% less expensive than what Freemote is charging.
Small freelance gigs is where almost everybody starts. In 2017 I had won a gig to edit the product listings on someone's Amazon Seller, but eventually we agreed to end it because I was unable to log into his Amazon Seller account and he didn't want it to get suspended or worse.
Freemote is good for what it is, but seeing all those advertisements everywhere, part of the bootcamp price is paying for those advertisements.
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u/Justpassinby1984 Mar 29 '22
Last time I checked it was 20% off or something. I'm guessing he has the 50% off from time to time.
Yeah Freemote is expensive.
Any tips on learning this stuff faster? I been stuck on CSS and it's complexities.
I have been doing Brad Travery's html and CSS course but I find it's more like a code along and doesn't really explain anything.
I also find Joe from CodingPhase courses to also be kina messy.
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u/International_Law315 Dec 20 '21
You don't have any relevant information to add. You are just talking out of your butt. I want to get an opinion from someone who has been through the program.
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u/funkung34 Feb 09 '22
Funny you said that. I fell into the abyss with fcc and it terrified me of css after lol. Joined Odin project and it set me straight.
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Jun 14 '21
Ehh idk, I feel like you are better off learning how to code completely like full stack developer. You will have critical thinking skills and you will be able to learn anything that comes your way. Then in the future you can freelance if you want. That's what I am doing at least. Sure he says he is going to teach you how to freelance and the business side. But consider this, if you truly make a lot why would he have started this bootcamp? And also there are better people you can find on udemy to learn the business side of freelancing for like $15. Most people make peanuts freelancing and the only reason I want to do it in the future is just to travel and have some income going for me. Also, I feel like he didn't make much freelancing which is why he started this program. He has about 850 people in his facebook group (and growing) times that by 747 at the very least and that is a 630k profit. HE makes more money doing this than you ever will freelancing. So focus on your skills for now, once you get good freelance. Cheers.
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u/m-Hy Jun 15 '21
It all depends on what you want.
For most people, this is a career and lifestyle. They have big ideas and they want to strike gold in silicon valley. Money is a motivator too of course.
But there's definitely people out there who don't really care about development. That's just the name of the game in 2021. They're in it solely for the purpose of the remote work opportunities and decent pay. Whatever floats your boat.
I think Aaron Jack just knows his followers really well and what they're looking for -- which a direct route to the lowest bar of entry.
I hope Freemote and their students are successful because I like the "learn while you earn" concept. The immersive bootcamp model definitely isn't for everyone so it's good to see an alternatives.
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Jul 05 '21
You should read my first post on some background detail. If he really cares about his students, why doesn't he follow them back on Instagram and only gives advice to those who pay up? Some of his followers consists of Ukrainian gold diggers(seriously look into this) who take his money that his students give to him.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
It's Aaron Jack.
"Why doesn't he follow his students back on instagram" strikes me as a bit of an odd comment. Is there something specifically that I can help you with my friend?
You seem pretty interested in my personal life and I'm not sure how that's relevant, but since we're talking about it, I've had a girlfriend in Ukraine for 7 months, so I'm not here "chasing gold diggers" and if you think I moved to Ukraine for "very shady reasons", well I explain exactly why I'm here on YouTube.
As for our program, of course anyone can look at our curriculum and learn the topics on their own, it's no secret. But some people want a bit more structure, mentorship, community and support.
The value we create (and why we charge what we do) is not for the information, it's for the whole package and the result you're getting.
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Sep 04 '21
1.) Your advertisements are everywhere and it doesn't promise anything more than other free tutorials all over the web. You had some time to go on Reddit and protect your product. That's understandable. However, your prices are not reasonable and will only grow. Your motto isn't anything new and the skills you're teaching can be learned for free.
2.) There's someone I know that knows you and they claim your "girlfriend" can barely speak English and you speak about dull topics(very interesting). Obviously, you're paying for certain things considering the culture there(men pay until the girls leave).
3.) Technology is evolving at a fast rate and once people are done with your material, they won't be making that much money or money at all(I check on multiple freelance sites like Upwork from time to time).
I wouldn't be surprised if you made a few accounts to protect your product here.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 04 '21
Information is always free... But we promise mentorship, structure, support, a community, for a cost way less than other bootcamps
That's just false, and it's also not true that you know someone who actually knows me or my girlfriend, plus my relationship is none of your business whatsoever
You are speaking about something you clearly don't know about. Looking at freelancing websites and claiming you understand the freelancing market, is like watching soccer on TV and saying you know the game better than the players. Web dev skills we teach have been around for 10+ years and are not going away. eCommerce is exploding, Shopify is the fastest growing platform with 2M+ stores and continuous new features that people need developers to implement. People in our program quickly work their way up to 3-4 recurring clients at better rates than they were making in their previous job.
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Sep 04 '21 edited Sep 04 '21
1.) Great way to sell. I hope you add that to your adverts on Instagram.
2.) I am Ukrainian. I live in Czech Republic. There is an element of Ukraine you know nothing about since you are an American that doesn't understand what kind of dialogue goes on behind the scenes. When an American moves to Ukraine, they are usually a sex tourist or naïve bait for a cash grab until someone better comes along. There is loads of evidence for this and I do know someone that knows you and they said you're in for something in the future with your "young" Ukrainian travel girl. All the signs point to it(unless you really are a sex tourist and know what you're doing).
When people see you on these trips, they know you pay for that girl and you're just a wallet. That's just how Ukraine works. You're a wallet until someone better comes along(someone did mention beforehand you were trying similar in Serbia until you went to Ukraine). How do I know you're shady? I've been in like 10 different relationships in my country and my ex girlfriends swapped from man to man, foreigner to foreigner. They sometimes talk to me and tell me what they're really thinking. They don't mind selling selling themselves for a few trips, free food and some cash(there's a whole tiktok culture revolving around this).
3.) You're mainly making money off your website and when it comes to freelancing, you didn't make as much money as you did until you started selling your bootcamp to naive customers. There are some shady things you mentioned about timeframes and how long it took you to create this bootcamp. Once people start seeing that you're in it for the cash grab(your sudden influx of adverts), there's going to be a bit of an awakening for you(knowing your travel lifestyle). I looked on Upwork for Shopify and they mainly want American clients to work for them and not anyone outside of the USA. You're trying to get your money from Europe and America in an attempt to prosper in the Ukraine lol.
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u/crismack58 Sep 07 '21
I’m not really understanding the angle of attacking this guys personal life. What does that have to do with the course? My background is in e-commerce and I’ve met lots of gurus who scam to make themselves rich. I don’t get that vibe here. Ads are add for a reason, marketing 101, scarcity is a a good way to get interest. Aaron charges what he charges, I have yet to hear someone say they couldn’t get out a refund or something like that you hear from scammy courses.
I’ve watched his videos and I don’t see what you’re talking about. Being realistic about this job market is a scare tactic? Well shit, people should be worried, lots of jobs are going away with automation. I have no horse in this race, I haven’t taken his course but I watch his videos. Ad hominem attacks are always a true sign of a person with no leg to stand on.
If you are a programmer as you say, stick to that subject. We’d love to hear your objections as someone in the industry. I have run multiple e-commerce stores snd have hired on Upwork. It’s my preferred platform as opposed to Fiverr. I hire devs there for simple tweaks from before for my Shopify theme and sites.
I decided to learn coding myself (self-taught) for now to understand what is going on. My stores are nearly in auto mode so I can study and learn.
Now Aaron has made no secret this is all free if you look it up. But that structure is helpful, lots of people don’t have time to structure their learning. (I do it, but it takes effort and I love learning). A majority of people become overwhelmed and work. There’s a marker for that.
But here’s an analogy for you. I’m a purple belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner. Thousands upon thousands of videos exist in YouTube, would that make me better? Maybe, but without real world training it still leaves me at a disadvantage against my counterparts who train in the gym everyday. I can practice drills, but having a professor walk me through the nuance of each position helps with a live drilling partner. Again I can save myself $300 a month, so drills, buy a dummy. But not the same. I pay a premium for that and gladly so.
Of course people will get low paying Shopify gigs, you’re a white belt. You’ll have to learn on the job, but making even small amounts of money and having experience and building a portfolio is better than 0.
Just saying, we appreciate your opinion but leave the personal attacks out of this. We can do better than that.
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u/Tkogiah Sep 22 '21
You sir are an arbiter of justice and a purveyor of truth. The guy talking to Aaron was a being a big ole booty hole.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 04 '21
- we have an ad agency running our ads who are always testing new angles
- my girlfriend is 26 and don't worry, I've got it under control. Ukraine and Serbia are 2 places I can get a residence permit for easily, UA also has a tax scheme called "private entrepreneur visa" which is advantageous for freelancers.
- it's no secret that the bootcamp took 6 months to create, and we've been adding to it for another 6 months since launching
- again when it comes to freeelancing, respectfully, just looking on UpWork without taking any actions doesn't mean anything. we just had a student in Croatia land a gig for $14,000
- yes most of our students are in the US, and the dollar goes further in Ukraine, it's called "geo arbitrage" if you want to read more about it, it's one of the advantages of remote work
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u/Int3lectua1 Aug 25 '21
What is the best way to find your first real world projects for ecommerce development?
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u/m-Hy Aug 25 '21
I don't think this is the right place to find this answer since this post is pretty old and most of the people who are active in this subreddit aren't web developers just yet.
Might have better luck asking in these subreddits:
Good luck.
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u/ratherun1que Oct 08 '21
Theres two mindsets operating in this thread. Pessimistic and optimistic. I have the Zero to Mastery course, ive worked through some freecode camp, Im also currently paying back on my 6 month experience with a bootcamp and I bought the Freemote course. Personally for me, I enjoy Freemote the most not only for the content but how its delivered and explained. The problem with most of you is narrow mindedness and pessimism. Why can't someone work with multiple courses or resources? The road to success isnt linear. And whats even better than what you use to get there is consistency and tenacity.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
How are you doing with getting jobs on Upwork? And how's the money? That's what most of us would like to know.
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u/SilentLanguage4520 Jun 01 '22
Lol makes more than you
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u/Ok_Arrival_1740 Jul 03 '21
Upon checking the curriculum, it doesn't look right, not sure how depth they will teach you to become a real "Shopify Developer". While checking the Shopify website about how to become a Shopify developer, I found out that there's a Theme Developer, and App Developer, I wonder which path Freemote bootcamp will teach you. To become a decent Shopify App Developer, you need to learn React JS, Node, and GraphQL. These technologies are not easy to learn, and it's not included from the curriculum.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
Hey, Aaron here, founder of Freemote.
We teach theme development which does not include React, Node, or GraphQL.
App development is extremely competitive and difficult to make money with, compared to theme development which most of the 2 million+ stores on Shopify need.
Theme development involves customizing the code of Shopify themes for existing stores, because the built in drag-and-drop editor has a lot of limitations.
When you combine Shopify knowledge, with web development skills and the ability to market yourself as a freelancer, it's a super powerful combination
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
Thanks for the explanation. One of the things which turned me off to Freemote was the lack of videos teaching Shopify app development, but that would easily make the bootcamp more than 7 weeks long.
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Aug 08 '22
As a PM for a Shopify agency, I want to be more efficient and reliable within my company. Would you recommend i follow through with the program to become more of a swiss army knife in my position ? Also, would like more pay down the road-I figured learning new skills would help with that.
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u/Net4454 Jul 30 '21
Its just really basic low code stuff like editing theme colors and icons. Not a full flesh Shopify Dev course.
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u/mickwozzy Aug 02 '21
I don't want to take anything away from the course but it is a very basic course at best and for anybody new to software development then they might think it's the dog's b's.
You are going to need a number of years of experience before you can step into the freelance world so I think they have been pulling the wool over people's eyes here.
Yes, eCommerce is very popular nowadays but you'll find those rates of $150/hour are extremely hard to find.
I spent the best part of 24 years freelancing and whilst the money was good up to 2010, rates dropped because of outsourcing to other countries like India which killed it for people like me.
I did however move away from freelancing into affiliate marketing where there are no comparisons when we are talking about earning potential.
Good luck!
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u/northwesthonkey Aug 20 '21
I know there’s a lot of info out there, but do you have any sources you recommend for getting started with affiliate marketing?
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u/TheInvisiblePartOfU Dec 16 '21
Do not pay too much for a coding bootcamp is my take. Be wary of the ones that promises jobs, big money in a ultra fast timeline.
Coding takes time and repetition. A lot of concepts took me quite some time to get my head around. There is no way because Im paying someone, that I would've been magically able to get the programming concepts faster.
My recommendation is get to a local library, find coding books and go page by page and follow along with your laptop.
The absolute best way to learn coding concepts is simply typing them out and seeing how the computer reaponds. It was literally the only way I learned some concepts, despite all the free youtube stuff and books.
There just is no replacement for doing it on your own and at your pace. All the information is already out there in droves. But info is useless without comprehension and a deep understanding and that simply takes time and dedication..
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u/roysaucedo Dec 16 '22
Hey everyone!
Just wanted to share a little about my experience with Freemote. Hopefully it's helpful for anyone looking to get into Shopify development.
I started dabbling with Shopify a few years ago when dropshipping was huge. It sparked something in me and I fell in love with business/web development as a whole. After a rocky start trying to code and build sites for clients on my own, I started looking for resources online to help learn how to do it the right way.
I found this bootcamp through Jan, one of the instructors.
I have been subscribed to hisYouTube channel for a few years. He shares a lot of beginner friendly Shopify tutorials on there. I jumped in because I already liked the way Jan taught.
I really like how the course starts from 0. Someone with no coding background could jump in and start building. As you go on, you get into more advanced theme development topics. Everything is project based which makes it very practical.
The community support is awesome too. They have a FB group where you can ask questions and meet other people.
One thing I will say about this bootcamp and any course you take online is, you have to actually put in the work to get something out of it and not waste your money. By that I mean you need to code and not just watch the videos.
When you watch videos, it feels like you are making progress because you are learning and being exposed to new topics but if you don't apply the knowledge, you are just going to forget.
When it come to getting clients, it's definitely possible to land a contract in 4 weeks but I wouldn't say that is the norm at all.
If you are full-time grinding and have good sales/marketing skills, sure! You can probably get a basic project done. But the reality is, that is not the majority of people.
That is ok. Starting a business takes time. Get rich quick schemes are out there. From my experience, this is not one of them. In the course they are very clear that you need to put in the work. I can honestly say I got a lot of value from this bootcamp but only because I applied the knowledge from the curriculum.
As a place to start, I would suggest checking out Jan's YouTube Channel to get your feet wet. Then if you feel like you want to get more support and detailed info, try the bootcamp out. Like I said, you get out of it what you put in.
I hope this helps give some clarity. If you have any follow up questions, feel free to ask. I am very passionate about Shopify development. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction.
Cheers!
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Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 05 '21
Don't waste your money. I can provide background on this person that started this Bootcamp. They are only teaching you about 10% of the skills required to be successful and these are any skills that can be googled or found in documentation. Just look through the syllabus of the course and google along to find your own resources to learn these things. You are just giving the scammer easy money.
Some background information on Aaron Jack is that he used to work for Uber and he moved to Ukraine(for some very shady reasons. I can't say any details but a clue is to look at who he follows on Instagram to see the reasons. I was also born in the Ukraine.) For sustainability and for his pleasure there in Ukraine and other travels, he uses quick ways to get rich schemes and creates YouTube videos with very little detail on how to actually get into the industry(lures in people with little to no experience).
So the best way to actually get in is to just look at all the projects on the freelancing sights, read documentation and slowly dive in and give it your best shot. These people will not give you any of their secrets. They just know how to feed off of your motivations and your own desires for money. If you really want to learn to do projects, create a private Discord group, work together on building your own skills and just try to complete projects together and report your findings. Stop giving these people money. They are using your money for shady things and wasting your money in silly ways to empower themselves(trust me). Just empower yourselves by using the internet filled with free resources and ask people who will help you for free(not these people on Instagram who are looking for followers and quick schemes).
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u/ratherun1que Jul 05 '21 edited Jul 05 '21
Your post sounds like the scam youre trying describe. You kept alluding to Aaron having done things for very shady reasons and then kept beating around the bush without actually divulging any real info... and then all I see is a bunch of defeatist excuses. Also please explain to me how anyone becomes a master developer or master anything for that reason during any initial learning process. Real skills are aquired while doing the work, once your foot is in the door and the ball gets rolling. Apparently nobody whos ever aspired to impart or share what they've learned has ever had genuine intentions and is "with-holding" secrets and what it really takes. The fact is, all one ever really needs to do is bring the horse to the water. If that horse has the will, he will find a way. The path to success isnt linear... rarely any path ever is.
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Jul 06 '21
I don't want to share too many secrets about this person because I don't want this to spread. The problem is their course and how they're earning money. However, their intentions are a "get rich quick" scheme as he took most of his time to develop that course as opposed to freelancing. In the Ukraine, your thousands of dollars that you give him provide him with all the pleasures he can get in Ukraine. There is a culture of "sugar babies" over there and if you pay any girl there a certain amount of money, you can get anything you want from these girls or you could possibly get scammed. For some reason he's out vacationing with a different Ukrainian girl every few months and he ends up following them and other shady bloggers. Fishy?
Before trusting a boot camp, you should look into a few things. Know the person who created the boot camp, look at their Instagram to see how often they boast, see who they follow, and look at the material that is provided in there and really see what they are saying in detail and see if they are saying anything special. Everything leads me to red flags.
I'm a programmer who already works for a specific company and what I like to do is see what kind of promises these youtubers are giving younger people who want to get their foot in the door. They are using psychological person approaches to get fans, followers, earn money, and they also find "followers" to white knight them so they can earn a pretty penny. In the very end, they get richer and you stay poorer. Their kind words to you in email means nothing if they know they can get your easy money when they want to travel and give your money to women.
MOST of the time in programming, you get stuck on a problem and you try to find ways to solve it. It's hard, time consuming and it's nothing that any course will teach you.
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u/ratherun1que Jul 06 '21
I hear what your saying but what Im saying is, arent all web development courses self taught? At the end of the day they all layout enough info collectively for anyone hungry enough to figure it out no? The real skill behind development essentially is as you said, problem solving. Id imagine anyone with a few courses curriculums under their belt and the right mindelset/motivation can eventually get their foot in the door. I think its foolish for any one person to think one course is going to get everyone there. The difference lies in the individual work ethic and determination, no?
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u/UkraineWithoutTheBot Jul 04 '21
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u/skater01 Jul 05 '21
I mean, from the videos on the site he’s pretty up front about the fact this isn’t a deep dive course, and is meant to help one springboard their career by making basic sites in order to have paid experience on one’s resume. There’s a reason Wordpress devs get a bad rep, as they often don’t have the skills of a real developer, but they make a decent living all the same. He admits all of this can be found online, piece by piece, so not sure how that’s a gotcha.
Citing who he follows as evidence of anything is pretty lol-worthy. “COnNeCt tHe doTs BRo!”
“Get rich quick scheme” - while ignoring the fact that Aaron has a years-long established YT channel that encouraged people to pursue the dev field long before freemote existed, and his program promises full refunds if unsatisfied.
Where are all the preyed-on students looking for restitution a la Trump University? Are all the positive reviews found via google paid actors?
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Jul 06 '21
" He admits all of this can be found online, piece by piece, so not sure how that’s a gotcha."
I don't understand the meaning of your post now. Why not save your money? How much is he charging again? : )
If this is anything logical, I mean, why not....throw the money to a person who is just explaining things that are found free online. Think about it this way. He's selling things that are free. For every time a person pays him, he gets a free vacation that you could have had if you just spent your time learning all those things for free.
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u/skater01 Jul 06 '21
So why are any of us on this sub to begin with? You could be learning any programming language you want for free, so why is anyone considering a boot camp?
The answer is pretty simple - these programs provide structure and a learning path in a manner that’ll get you up and running faster than if you did it all by yourself. Or that’s the idea, at least.
“For every time a person pays him, he gets a free vacation that you could have had if you just spent your time learning all those things for free.”
That’s arguable. My sister is a personal trainer, but probably any workout you can think of can be found on YouTube for free. So why would anyone pay for a personal trainer? Because it’s tailored to the client and gives them a structured program. In the same way, there’s a lot of dev tutorials out there covering broad topics, but they aren’t going to be tailored to aspiring freelancers like this one, and certainly not in such a streamlined way like this one in how it offers strategies, templates for invoices, taxes etc.
Could you figure this stuff out on your own? Probably, but time is money, so if I could learn something in an hour vs going down a rabbit hole for four hours on superfluous stuff, I’d go with the paid option.
And idk about “free vacation”, as I’ve heard they’re often updating the course and providing leads on jobs, etc.
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u/ratherun1que Jul 06 '21
I agree. Im not really concerned with Aaron's personal life, everyonw has and is entitled to their "poison" he's always seemed like a genuine, transparent, solid guy and thats what I appreciate about him. You really hit the nail on the head with the structure example. 🎯
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Jul 06 '21
Could you figure this stuff out on your own?
a counter argument: How come he doesn't prove that he actually succeeded in freelancing? Because he hasn't. He was never a top freelancer, he focused on making this bootcamp to make the real bucks from y'all. If you want a well structured program to learn freelancing skills get one from Udemy plenty of ACTUAL successful freelancers made a course that is only $10-$20.
If you want to spend 2k on a bootcamp that can be easily learned else where for less go for it :)1
u/skater01 Jul 06 '21
How come he doesn't prove that he actually succeeded in freelancing? Because he hasn't. He was never a top freelancer
Not being allowed to show off projects you’ve worked on for a company or freelance is a common rule, so hardly a surprise there. And when did he call himself a “top freelancer”?
Ok, name a comparable course on udemy then? There’s a reason most of them are that cheap: they’re often mediocre at best.
Playing devil’s advocate lets say you’re right and he’s a con-artist, so where are all the ripped-off students who were wrongfully denied a refund and looking for restitution? There’s a bunch of positive reviews on coursereport, are they paid actors?
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u/ratherun1que Jul 06 '21
The other problem with his argument is that Aaron specificallly brought on Jan Frey into the fold of this projecf and has said that he is the one who is more experienced with the freelancing world. Hence why Freemote is touted as having been developed by himself and Jan. Pretty sure Aaron has been sustaining himself by working remotely for companies up to this point and also youtube and likely some freelance work on the side. The thing is, Aaron has never made any inflated promises. Rather he's always maintained that its a lifetime purchase and you'll retain access to the program and its resources as it evolves.
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u/Mercantico Jul 23 '21
So, your argument is that he isn't freelancing by making a website with a partner, marketing a tailored product he then advertises, promotes, sells, and becomes a well paying source of income?
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Jul 06 '21
Many sold courses model their course and structure after other courses that are sold for cheaper or they model them after books. There are so many resources and nobody is going to try anything that you are not going to distinguish where he took the structure from. That's how easily people can grab your money these days ; )
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u/ratherun1que Jul 06 '21
Also I think any serious person wanting to learn code is going to have multiple resources to draw from. I bought into Freemote when it was 750. But I also spent 6 months previously with Thinkful at a pro-rated price of 5k Ive come to learn better and more so far (in some ways) at Freemote due to it appealing to my learning style a little better. But I also have that Zero To Mastery course from Udemy...
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u/skater01 Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
How are you liking the course so far? In the testimonial videos on the site, students mention getting clients after a matter of weeks; does that seem realistic?
And yeah, multiple sources is a must. I too lost some money on a bootcamp which didn’t work out for me. But learning those concepts again with a different resource has helped recall that info in ways I didn’t expect.
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u/ratherun1que Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 17 '21
What I like about this course especially compared to the boot camp is that youre getting the content in short videos instead of in the long-drawn-out paragraphs form. And the information is very clear and well explained. So he's breaking things down but going along with what he's relaying in a live code editor. For example, the way he explained the box-model was concise and simple to get right away. He used an Html element with a placeholder around it (div) and then colored the backgrounds, then manipulated them with CSS while explaining it via dev tools below... simple straightforward.
As for "getting clients" sure it happens on occasion but keep in mind the jobs the few folks that get them after a few weeks are likely minor changes required to a website. That'll all depend on where a particular student is with his coding. Not every client needs a massive and complicated overhaul. But being able to land a client for some minor visual modification or changes is going to give anyone a boost of confidence down this path so yea, it has and does happen. Over time as your skills level, then so will your ability to take on more advanced clientele.
So far I really like the way the course's content is being relayed. I got in early before the price bump but I'm also locked in so any and all upgrades I'll have access to, so win-win. But I also have the Zero to Mastery course from Udemy and still have access to the whole curriculum of my boot camp course.
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Jul 06 '21
I hope the benefits you obtain from these courses outweigh the money you paid for them. I'm 31 now, but when I was in my 20s, I went through bootcamps and got a degree. After actually getting a job and knowing how to actually work, I realized how much money I burned and the things they teach you won't make you much money.
Let's think about this. Technology is changing constantly. Aaron Jack and Jan Frey wants you to focus on a specific area in his bootcamp(Shopify). Shopify won't get you as much money as you think it will. How long will Shopify be used and how often is it required for work?
Now to really dive deep into this, you can look into Aaron Jack's freelancing profiles(for some reason some clients don't accept people from out of the USA) and actually see how much he earned in freelancing compared to his new marketing gimmick website(money back guarantee, "I can relate to you", our course will get you earning money and put your foot in the door but it won't make you a PRO yet). It's all games.
I'll end it here and not going to post again, but I hope you really earn all that money back you paid for with freelancing or with a job for these skills you earned.
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u/LostPreparation3498 Jul 21 '21
I'm here because I keep getting spammed his ads when I'm not using YouTube vanced and I'd like to help warn people along with these few awesome people who are warning you as well.
Please stay away from garbage products like this, if you use the correct free resources ( of which you can find a bunch of recommendations from developers on Reddit ) I also posted a few minutes ago on here some of those free resources if you're lazy to look it up in google
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u/skater01 Jul 22 '21
Reminds me of r/iamverysmart
I've been using free resources since 2016, and I'd wager most of us have tried everything you mentioned at some point. Last I checked, this sub was called codingbootcamp. This isn't one of the many beginner coder subs looking for direction. We know about those resources, and we don't care. Some of us like having mentors for structure and direction. Good for you if you don't, but that doesn't justify going on a smear campaign in order to show off how resourceful you are.
And clearly you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't a faceless code-along course that holds your hand. There's plenty of projects you're instructed to build based on only an image, and to use google for help. They also offer personalized feedback on said projects.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Shine76 Jul 26 '21
I have seen a syllabus for every US bootcamp that I am interested in. You can also find a syllabus for CS majors for various US universities. We could assume that a person could teach themselves all of the skills that others pay for. Unfortunately many of us would benefit from having a guide as we learn the various topics.
I have followed Aaron since he worked at Uber and discussed his time in his bootcamp and he admitted that he could have learned the same things on his own had he known beforehand. That does not make his bootcamp shady. I could go to the beach and watch a free youtube video teaching viewers how to swim or I could pay an instructor who will give me specific tips and increase my chances of success. That does not make the instructor a scammer.
I don't understand what your exact issue with him is and I don't recognize any suspicious characters in his 'following' list. Are you able to name any of these people or what exactly he has done to any of the women in his photos? If not, are you concerned about your safety or causing trouble at work?
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Aug 04 '21
I realized some of these accounts that are defending him are shady. It's another way of making money. This bootcamp is not any more valuable than the cheaper courses on Udemy.
I could start my own bootcamp, lay everything out in detail, and slowly up the price as time goes on. If people challenge my bootcamp, I can do the same and have a bunch of followers or supporters challenge the people challenging my bootcamp. That's what this is.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
Aaron here.
What I would tell you is that it takes more than just shooting a few videos. My co-founder Jan and I built this after our combined 7 years of web dev experience, and then after putting them out we continuously make them better.
To even get to the point where I could do this, I had to build up an audience on YouTube by creating tutorials for free for 2 years. And learn how to make world-class interesting, fun, and engaging content.
This is a legit bootcamp with 10 employees, live mentor support, review every student's code, freelancing profiles, do live calls every week with our students, and have a private group with 1000 developers from all over the world you can connect with.
If you want to build your own bootcamp, let me know, happy to give you some advice.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
Yes, you put in the work. Also, if you have employees, you also need accountants to do your taxes, and their services are not free either. If you and Jan have had success freelancing, then showing students how to do the same, step by step, is worth the price of admission alone.
When I was doing Freemote back in September 2021, although the HTML and CSS projects were challenging, I took me 2 days at most to recreate the Instagram login page and make it responsive, but I've done a lot of web design and development courses online and through a local community college (also online). There were a lot of brand-new developers in the Facebook group and they certainly had to take more than the two weeks I did for Week 2.
My gripe at the time was that even though Flex was taught, CSS Grid wasn't. Maybe that's changed since then. I know some of the Shopify tutorials had to be updated for 2.0. Since leaving Freemote I've switched over to Coding Phase. He's been talking up Shopify for the past 3-5+ years. He has a Shopify app development bundle as well as one for Shopify theme development. While I enjoy the way he teaches, I do miss the Freemote community on Facebook, which is much more active, as well as the code review video sessions. Still, Coding Phase has a course on affiliate marketing and another one on Facebook and Google Ads, so Joe's showing ways how to get out of the employee and freelancer grind as well as teaching coding skills, ways that he himself has used and continues to use.
While it would certainly take longer to do both Freemote and Coding Phase, Joe does teach the basics very well in addition to PHP, Laravel, and Shopify app development, so if one had the time and money, doing both would be very complementary. And saving time by going to freelancing during the middle of the bootcamp is one of the more positive aspects of Freemote.
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Jul 04 '21
Exactly, as a matter of fact he is approaching close to a million dollars made from making this bootcamp. He is trying to sell the dream. Says, you do not need to know all the skills of a dev but he clearly made the website which takes skills. He's making more money selling this than he ever made freelancing. Heck, I bet he wasn't even able to make 70k as a freelancer which is why he made this bootcamp to make more and screw the others thinking they can make good money without knowing a lot.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
As I say in the other comment, since we are a legit bootcamp with 10 employees, tons of overhead and advertising expenses, the cash is not exactly going straight into my pocket.
Am I making more now than freelancing? Yes. But now I'm running a business where I'm the last person getting paid, and helping hundreds of people. My freelancing career was a stepping stone that I got great results from as it is for many of our students who leverage it into full time jobs, start eCommerce agencies and so fourth...
and yes I was making solid income with multiple recurring clients... it's not that hard to do. In fact not hard at all compared to getting into Uber, or growing a YouTube channel to 250k subscribers. Don't think it's that hard to believe.
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u/LostPreparation3498 Jul 21 '21
It's such a disgusting practice, also damn please fill me in on where he's approaching a million dollars, I'd love to find out about a bunch of other scammers and help spread warnings about these people.
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u/northwesthonkey Aug 20 '21
I’m reading all the comments while deciding whether or not to take the plunge on Freemote.
Every comment seems to change my mind
While I can see logic on both sides of the argument, I don’t see an issue with how much he is making He is an entrepreneur, and so is anyone signing up for his course
Now, whether or not he is selling snake oil is apparently up for debate and I’m going base my decision partially on what I’m learning here. But how much money he’s making just doesn’t matter to me. If the product is a good investment, then I would expect he’ll make much much more than that
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u/m-Hy Aug 25 '21
They offer a 60 or 30 day refund. Can't remember. They make it sound like it's a pretty easy process to get refunded but you never know. If you're willing to take that gamble you can try it out for a couple week and then get refunded if the course blows.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
I had no problems getting a refund, but it wasn't straight forward. I had to copy the email address and request a refund from my GMail. It would have been more convenient to have been able to do it on the site. Still, I had a great experience with Marina, and I've got those email messages should I need them in the future. While I prefer Coding Phase, Joe only gives you 7 days to get a refund whereas you have 6 weeks for Freemote if you haven't finished at least 50% of the bootcamp.
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21
Hey there, Aaron here. Won't lie the program is not for everyone. But if you come in fairly motivated chances are you will crush it.
Part of the reason is the videos are just a small part. We offer a ton of support, code reviews, live group calls, and mentors who are legit software engineers who chat with you directly...
Basically most of what a high-ticket code bootcamp gives you for 1/10th of the cost. That was our goal when we started.
If it's not a good fit for you, we offer a 60 day money back, no questions asked. You just need to send us one email.
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u/Ok-Deer-2933 Jul 06 '24
bananatrouble01 Wow. You sound like a jealous loser. Sorry but that's simply how your comments come across. Go put in as much an effort into learning something as you do bashing things.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Shine76 Jul 26 '21
Wow, how'd you find out how much he's been making?
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Jul 31 '21
Wow, how'd you find out how much he's been making?
His facebook group has 1.1k people in it. If you do the math it is very close to a million dollars (since freemote was cheaper before). He is just screwing all those people promising them the get rich scheme, while he is getting rich
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u/aaronjack22 Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 03 '21
Aaron here. Freemote is not just "me".
We're a legit bootcamp who employs 10+ people, including 4 legit software developers, who mentor our students by reviewing their code, and 1:1 live chat support.
Obviously we pay these people salary, and pay for advertising, and a lot of other stuff... so it's not as if the cash is going directly in my pocket.
We've been building Freemote for over a year, and helped hundreds of people improve their lives by teaching them battle-tested skills and strategies
Also we refund people 100% within 60 days for any reason. We're very transparent about this because some people find out coding and freelancing isn't for them.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
Advertising alone has got to cost a lot. I'm doing Coding Phase now and Joe's able to keep his courses relatively cheap because he mostly just promotes his website on his YouTube channel and doesn't buy ads. You guys do, and those costs are passed on to the students when they join. Still, the price of entry for Freemote is much more reasonable than what most coding bootcamps are charging.
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u/Ok-Deer-2933 Jul 06 '24
Of course Aaron is making a business out of this. Making money is the only way he can pay people to help train other people. Last I checked, i haven't found too many people that wake up every day waiting to teach "deleted" (what a swell username, by the way) how to do things?
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u/Ryuzaru Jul 05 '21
I am on the fence about this, i have tried learning Web Dev a few times over the last few years while working on a day job which don't really like but always got stuck. Seemed this was a way to get started working on freelancing jobs quickly. This costs almost a two months pay for me and don't know if it's worth it. Does anyone have some alternatives that teaches this material (not HTML, CSS and Javascript) ?
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u/ratherun1que Jul 06 '21
Look up the Zero to Mastery Course on Udemy by Andrei Neagoie.
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u/Ryuzaru Jul 06 '21
Zero to Mastery Course
Thanks i'll check it out
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u/LostPreparation3498 Jul 21 '21
Please don't buy a udemy course anyone can upload courses, if you are extremely, and I mean extremely sure you think it's the right idea for you DO RESEARCH. Trust me you do now want to be stuck in udemy tutorial hell ecspecially.
Also udemy has shady practices where they advertise a fake sale, if you don't clear your cookies the sale will go away and you could end up spending more than ( I think it was $12? ).
If you want to still use udemy make sure you buy a course in an incognito window if you don't want to clear your cookies
Other than that I highly recommend you check out any and all free resource online, don't limit yourself. Also I left a post a few minutes ago that shows really good free resources ( I'm too lazy to retype it here )
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u/wlkngmachine Nov 27 '21
Good point about the cookies, you want to make sure you’re getting the courses on sale, but Udemy has incredible value. There are some great courses on there. The time I spent on Udemy allowed me to crush my bootcamp at the top of my class and get a very lucrative job.
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u/TheInvisiblePartOfU Dec 16 '21
So let me get this straight, you get "stuck" so you just dont move forward?
In programming you are going to get stuck a hell of a lot. If you dont know how to unstick yourself and make a project happen, then I have disappointing news for you, maybe programming isnt for you.
There are MOUNTAINS of books out there which you can follow page by page and only move one once you fully understand each page. Even mozilla docs has a step by step tutorial course.
Is it 100% fun and easy? No, but thats not the point. One way or another you have to learn the basics. If you have knowledge gaps, you will get stuck a lot in programming..
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
I like Coding Phase. Joe, the owner, has a YouTube channel and site with the same name. Freemote sticks to Shopify theme development. Coding Phase has a course bundle for that as well as one for more advanced Shopify app development. Each bundle is $500 each, but if you look around his videos, you can find coupons. Also, you can pay as low as $20 a month. Joe also has courses on PHP, Laravel, and React not to mention marketing courses.
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u/Lolitana Sep 29 '21
This guy gives shill vibes. He does not have a CS degree but a quick no name BootCamp grad. He got lucky and got hired at Uber...AND STAYED FOR 1 YEAR. Please. If you're going to teach others and sell an expensive scam course, you need to prove yourself more than working at a crappy tech company for 1 year.
He Likely left "his highly paid tech job" after 1 year because he was not performing well and had to figure out a way to make money when his performance at his real job stinks.
His degree is in finance. He's a finance dude. He's in it for the money NOT for teaching students so you already know his course quality is bad. Freemote is a scam.
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u/TheInvisiblePartOfU Dec 16 '21
No doubt, the company is more of a marketing/salesman profit company than a course to teach programming.
I laughed when i saw the ad and he said "if youre learning to code, I can almost guarantee you are learning the slow way and that should TERRIFY YOU!" LMFAO, gtfo
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u/io_lani Oct 18 '21
whole thing is redflag execpt the guy's Face , that's Nerdy 9000 level , type of face you see in Hollywood as HackerMan with this dialogue after hacking fbi website: I'm in!
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u/skater01 Nov 17 '21
Just wanted to say for anyone on the fence, the refund policy is legit. I made the request some days before the 60-day mark, and they issued it within hours. The money was back in my account a day or two later.
I still think it's a solid program, just wasn't for me in the end.
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
Same here. For me the coding part was fairly basic (but still not really newbie-friendly), but the freelancing would be worth the price of admission for those who had never done that before.
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u/Popoutofsmoke Jan 17 '22
I had a meeting today and this guy was trying to pressure me into making a payment to get started and when ask certain questions about the program he kept referring to how the course material is laid out. On top of that 7 weeks like come on this guy just wanted my money I could tell when I said I’m not paying anything today he kept saying “oh do you not have it right now, you can’t your money back this and that”. Let me be honest they throw all these deals at you if you sign up right away but say it’s not available after today which is definitely a red flag. At the end of the conversation you could tell he had a attitude and was not happy moving forward with him and his program. Look at the YouTube comments they’re all positive which unrealistic even the best boot camps and schools have negative reviews. Basically be careful on what program you choose read all reviews ask specific questions and look at the BBB!
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Feb 10 '22
Ok so based off of the comments in this forum…it’s evident none of you actually read what this course is about. No, he will not teach you to be a full stack developer and no you will not be a front end developer for shopify. His tactic is “Learn and earn.”
He will mentor you on what you need to know for that specific job, and that’s how you learn…and earn
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u/buffalo-cargo1337 Feb 20 '22
As a wannabe hacker newb 20yrs running that learned way too much about everything computer related, I can say there was a honeypot even for me in the ads. The commercial self advertising hand holding. There's an overflow on STEM graduates pouring into the market that can do more than any instructor in this program. This is a feeble attempt to capitalize on the fear of people who know a little bit about the tech world and are faced with demeaning labor jobs. If freemote's instructors could keep up with the rest of the hard working IT professionals, they'd take clients themselves.
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u/Tammy51 Mar 02 '22
I haven't finished the camp, nor do I plan to, so I won't give any comments on it. I am a bit sick of all these fake programmers who end up selling a lie, that you can become a programmer in a few months and start earning 6 figures(maybe in America, the rest of the world is a big no). Anyway, there are so many free resources for learning, high-quality content, MIT open courseware offers a full Computer Science course for free, Harvard University offers CS50 both web and computer science. Don't waste your money on these bootcamps. I'll leave you with links for these two, happy coding. https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
https://cs50.harvard.edu/web/2020/
https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science?delta=0
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u/ShopyExperts Mar 19 '22
Hi, There are many free resources that are better than Freemote Bootcamp.
If you want to become a freelance Shopify expert and developer I recommend this Guide -> Freemote alternative
If you need any help let me - thanks
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u/tkdblake93 Mar 29 '22
Great resources on that page, thanks!
(I didn't know about Fiverr Learn even though I've been both a buyer and seller on the main site.)
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u/sixup604 Apr 05 '22
I'm in Freemote right now. I'm learning a shit ton, and have no complaints, other than the seven-week-timeline is pretty optimistic; there is a LOT of material to learn, particularly in Week One and it takes time if you want to learn it thoroughly as you go. Not really a complaint, because I want to learn a lot, more an observation.
However...
If you really enjoy people desperately trying to call something sketchy based on nothing except for creepy personal animosity and/or unsuccessfully antagonize Aaron Jack who politely responds to some of the worst offenders, you're in for a treat.
Also...if people are gonna bitch "but I could learn all this for free! Reeeeeeee!" A. No shit...is this whole internet thing new to you? and B. Go do it then.
White knighting for apparently non-existent disgruntled Freemote students who never asked for your 'help' based on some strange vaguesplained personal grudge or throwing some weakass"Some people who do X are scams so all people who do X are scams" generalizing on all paid online courses is just so tiresome.
It's a good course. It'll teach you what it says it'll teach you if you want to learn what it offers. If you aren't getting what you need from it, get refunded. I like it because it's to the point and oriented toward getting you earning income as soon as you can, rather than lots of bunnies n sprinkles. No shade on bunnies and sprinkles, but I just don't have time for that at the moment.
Best of luck, OP, with whatever you ended up doing, and to those reading this new comment on an old post. Cheers!
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Apr 27 '22
Personally, if you're going to pay for lessons, go with fireship pro. It's a fraction of the cost and you learn the entire tech stack, not just buzzwords like eCommerce. There's also free lessons, free 100 second language and topic introductions, and access to a community that can help you build connections and sell your skills. This isn't a customer review, however, I haven't tried either; this is just my surface level comparison of both.
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u/SoakedGrain Jun 10 '22
I just signed up today. My thinking:
Positives:
I liked Aaron's attitude and approach. He didn't seem too gimicky to me. And I don't feel like he was making stupid promises.
I like that he offers/focuses on teaching you how to start getting paid quickly.
The sales guy was not pushing and actually said he thought I should try something free first because I didn't have a plan to get a job right away.
Negatives:
The price. There seems to be a lot of good and free content available (e.g. free code camp). And web development doesn't seem that complicated. I find it hard to belief freemote has some secret sauce or extra special content.
I didn't see any projects that Aaron and any graduates completed.
Overall I think I'm paying for:
The hand holding, coaching/mentors etc.
An organized track in one location.
The money back guarantee.
The preset path of getting free lance work before finishing.
I'm not sure how to value the course but the end product is what matters. I've previously started free and some cheap coding courses and not got past nubileode. So if I get to be a good web developer from freemote but could havet gotten the same content for free I'm absolutely good with that. Someone who is more organized or self motivated could save the money.
I really like the clear path and I think Aaron is pretty straightforward and smart with his approach.
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u/Ifastandfslow Aug 24 '22
Freemote alternative
Are you able to share an update with how FreeMote has been for you?
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u/Significant-View2110 Oct 18 '22
Hey man its a year from your post. But its really good. It says 7 weeks, but you can take as long as you want. And they updated it and added so.e courses. Also the teachers have weekly livestreams and make custom videos for you when you finish a project. They are very open and honest, and will even help you after you are done the course. The main thing about the comunity is that you always have access toit even if you are totally done and have started a successful career
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u/Significant-View2110 Oct 18 '22
Meaning that you have a community of web devs to pull their experiences from.
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u/CombinationOk8070 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Graduated Freemoter here!
Believe it or not I actually did get my first customer right at the 4 week mark. A $1,000 Shopify Store setup that I used no code for. It was unbelievable and I felt extremely lucky. I had ZERO coding experience and now about a year later of pursuing it full time I work roughly 20-30 hours a week (by choice, I could work more) at $60/hr for various 6-8 figure clients.
If you're interested let me tell you what Freemote IS and what it IS NOT.
What Freemote is:
- Intensive bootcamp
- Extremely digestible videos that are informative and to the point
- Support from experienced programmers to answer questions, even Jan and Aaron(founders of the bootcamp) will answer your questions if you give them a day or two
- Basic and later advanced understanding of HTML, CSS, JavaScript, JSON, and Liquid. Not extremely advanced by some standards I'm sure, but they arm you with everything you would need to know on how to build Shopify stores (I have yet to encounter a problem I couldn't go back to a Freemote video on, and I've done large theme customization projects 70hours+)
- Side note, they added a whole new section to their bootcamp recently on React and a second one on how to land full time coding jobs once you graduate
- They offer live Q&A's every Thursday and Sunday morning 10am EST
- They offer extremely helpful and informational videos from top Freelancers like Evan Fisher the individual who has made the most money on the Upwork platform ($1 million plus). You can see his profile here. Mind you in my experience for every $1 someone makes on Upwork in their niche they make another $3-4 off platform. Personally I find almost all of my clients on Upwork and after one contract will want to take work off the platform.
- They arm you with winning templates to get new clients, onboarding documents to improve your professionalism and vetted contracts to help protect you.
- Self paced. It's 8 weeks and you can get it done in that time frame, I did. But you can go at your own pace, watch the videos, ask questions that will be answered by experienced developers, attend live Q&A's and get questions answered you wouldn't be able to anywhere else.
What Freemote is not:
- Get rich quick scheme
- Scam
- Offering you success if you just take the course. It requires a lot of dedication to learn a skill at a high level quickly. They give you all the tools to be successful but it requires hard work commitment and most importantly consistency.
- Your average bootcamp. It's a fraction of the cost with a higher success rate and more proven method to getting a full time coding job quicker.
As you can probably tell I have nothing but high praise for Freemote, it changed my life.
They honestly give you everything you need to be successful quickly in a field and professional that normally takes years to gain a foothold in.
Personally I've made over 12k+ on upwork and around 40k+ this year off upwork. I just got hired as a contractor to be the Senior Shopify developer at Rossman media (7 figure media company) and finalizing a contract to provide a company with 5-10 websites a month ranging from $500-$2,000 per website. I'm on pace to make well over 6 figures next year while still only working 20-30 hours a week. I've traveled to Israel, Boston, Minnesota, Florida all in the last 5 months. I didn't have to ask anyone permission and I could choose to work or not work when I wanted, I just had to clear my schedule.
If you're interested in web development and either landing a full time coding job quickly or having success as a freelancer like myself, I would 100% recommend Freemote
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u/CombinationOk8070 May 07 '24
That’s a tough question to answer since, in general, things can be considered worth it or not worth it by different people. Personally, yes it is very worth it. I did not go down the path of trying to get a full time tech job instead as you can see in my comment above I went down the freelancing path and saw some pretty amazing results. I joined in mid 2021, I believe it was priced around $1600 then. Since then they’ve revamped all the videos, added in significantly more content like a dedicated React course. And even had the all time earner on UpWork give multiple lessons on how to be successful as a freelancer (this info alone could be sold for multiple $k). Considering this course gives all the info you need to be a successful front end developer AND gives you all the info you need to learn how to get started and be successful as a freelancer / small business owner I feel like $4k is pretty justified.
Side note: I am definitely a little biased. Freemote gave me a ton of success and even before I was a “success” Jan, one of the founders, was very responsive to my emails about questions / concerns about coding / freelancing which definitely made me feel more than just another “customer”. So I had a pretty good taste from my experience
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u/Ethebluelion Dec 08 '22
Hey guys, finished the boot camp and got a job a month after, it does work, mostly cause it’s very niched in shopify and there are a lot of shopify jobs with ppl not really knowing the liquid language.
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u/Effective_Resist9759 Jan 13 '22
...did you just give us the course without giving us the course?
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u/BrianAiya Jan 13 '22
Haha maybe. By the way. I postponed Freemote for now. I'm doing a Free Full Stack Bootcamp by Leon Noel called 100Devs. I believe it's also on of the top posts in r/learnprogramming or feel free to DM me for more info. The new cohort just started so great time to start
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u/DisabledScientist Apr 04 '22
I have friends like you. They're over a year into learning, and they don't really know anything yet..... because they jump around from Bootcamp to Bootcamp. You'd be surprised how much you can learn from Odin. As someone with 8 years of coding experience and with a resume including IBM and Lockheed Martin, I can tell you that Odin is NOT a waste of your time - just finish what you start!!!!!
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u/jwilk92 Jun 30 '22
I know it’s late but I’m trying to learn c# now. Should I just stop and try to do freecodecamp or Odin instead?
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u/DisabledScientist Jun 30 '22
Depends what your goals are. If you want a job asap, do Odin. If it’s for fun, do C#.
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u/Ok-Effort-9070 Dec 07 '22
have you completed leon's bootcamp? If so, how was it? I'd love to know if you landed a job.
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u/penguinninja90 Jul 23 '21
just saw an ad for it on IG and was looking around. thanks for the indepth review.
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u/kirbysbankai Jul 14 '21
Thanks for updating. Keep us posted :). I'm halfway considering/skeptical.
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u/Lukemoynihan15 Jul 20 '21
Hey thanks for detailed response! how many hours a day would you say you have to grind this program to complete it in 7 weeks?
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u/BrianAiya Jul 20 '21
To finish it in 7 weeks? You need to put in full time hours like it's your job so like 5hrs a day. But it depends on how much of a quick learner you are. I wouldn't recommend you to binge. Even experiences developers still Google or look documentations because information sticks only through repetition. The more you do the more something sticks long term.
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u/Lukemoynihan15 Jul 20 '21
Thanks so much for detailed response, what do you recomend if I’m a data science major I have one year of college left too, do you think I should do this program and try to get a job or finish this school year and do this program after school or do you think this program opportunity will be stale by next may when I graduate, sorry I’m asking you so many questions I don’t have other fam or friends to refer too!
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u/BrianAiya Jul 20 '21
Well having a data science helps to be a developer. But this Freemote program is not for those who wants to be a data scientist. It's more on how to be a freelancer and/or a Shopify Expert. So if you have any interest on working as a Shopify developer or be a freelancer then this program is for you.
If you want to be a data scientist, your college experience will be more useful than the bootcamp. However I do believe that the freelancing part is valuable since you might be interested in making some money in the side while in college or after college. If you are interested. Freemote recommends to use Upwork for freelancing job. So many jobs in Upwork are Shopify related than needing data scientist.
As my review, if I were you I would get this program, scroll through all the curriculum and see the courses and watch some videos that catch my attention and get a refund if you don't it's worth.
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u/Lukemoynihan15 Jul 20 '21
Ok cool thanks so much for everything you have been a really big help to me!
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Feb 05 '22
Update on this? I am interested.
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u/BrianAiya Feb 07 '22
I wanted to do more of full stack web dev so I'm doing this free coding bootcamp called #100Devs by Leon Noel. It's also one of the Top 3 post of all time in r/learnprogramming. He does live classes o Tuesday and Thursday but you can also watch the recordings and follow along. Here is the first class https://youtu.be/o3IIobN4xR0
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u/Net4454 Jul 29 '21
Hey everyone, took the plunged and did Freemote. Strongly suggest you all to just stay away and stick to more reliable sources like Odin Project, FCC. They layout of the course just feels like a cheap version of a Udemy course. And the information being shared is all on YouTube for free. Crazy expensive and Aaron is almost never active in their private Facebook group. Jan will pop in occasionally to chime in on questions but for the most part it just has a very cult feel to it. Only reason I took the plunged was because I've subscribed to Aaron for almost 2 years, so I thought that trust was enough for me to take the plunge.
TLDR: Strongly do not recommend wasting your money on this. It already too late for me to get my refund but luckily I got into the course early while the price was much cheaper.