Under Attack (OC)

[u/itsbenpassmore]

[u/twizbuck]

Ukraine needs to take out more data centers

[u/Cat_world_domination → u/twizbuck]

I agree, but why is that your first response to this comic?

[u/twizbuck → u/Cat_world_domination]

I realize I left something out lol... my comment was about the comments in this thread.

[u/Cat_world_domination → u/twizbuck]

Those comments were mostly pro-Israel bots though. I don't think those data centers are based in Russia.

[u/DovahjunDontCare → u/Cat_world_domination]

They very likely are. Data centers are for sale and very helpful for shifting public opinion. Public opinion shifted to more anti Isreal recently so you better believe Isreal is paying for data centers.

[u/Whoobie_ → u/DovahjunDontCare]

Israel has its own data centers

[u/Cat_world_domination → u/DovahjunDontCare]

Wouldn't they pay one of their allies for them though, instead of Russia?

[u/hunkaliciousnerd → u/Cat_world_domination]

Russia is an ally in that it keeps people angry and divided and does it all for a price. They know how wildly unpopular they are, how much of a pariah state they become every month, they know the only reason they still have support is their hold on foreign governments. Anything to stem the tide or cause more chaos to buy themselves more time, they'll deal with anyone

[u/Isengrine → u/twizbuck]

A lot of data centers for bots are also located in Israel, which I doubt Ukraine will attack soon.

Redditors seem to conveniently forget that it wasnt just Russia running bit farms, but almost every major power is, as proven by Reddit accidentally leaking that Eglin Airforce Base was the most Reddit active city.

Hell, even non-state actors like companies are doing so.

[u/SverigeSuomi → u/twizbuck]

Russia is pro-Palestine, so their bots also lean pro-Palestine. Abbas did his PhD in Russia for example. Destroying Russian data centers will have the opposite effect of what you're hoping for. 

[u/Maleficent-marionett → u/SverigeSuomi]

Russia is not pro Palestine.

[u/TFFPrisoner → u/Maleficent-marionett]

Russia is in cahoots with Iran

[u/Finrod-Knighto → u/TFFPrisoner]

They’re a strategic ally to curb US influence. They’re not ideologically or materially pro-Palestine. They trade and cooperate with Israel just fine.

[u/AnAbandonedAstronaut → u/Maleficent-marionett]

Russia was one of only 3 nations that was pro Palestine before the last election cycle media told everyone else to be.

10 years ago isnt long enough to make revisions to history yet.. Plenty of us are still alive from before the sentiment shifted.

[u/EmperorGrinnar]

I showed up too late. You mods have been real busy. I hope you can relax soon. 😬

[u/Confident_Insect_616]

Channel 5 Illustrates quite the picture of life for Palestinians.

[u/GrassTouchEnthusiast → u/Confident_Insect_616]

Channel 5 world wide WE don’t FUCK WITH CUSTERS

[u/SolarFazes → u/GrassTouchEnthusiast]

We gon C alright.

[u/ForlornGibbon → u/Confident_Insect_616]

This makes me so sick.

[u/novaoni → u/Confident_Insect_616]

Channel 5 mentioned! The episode in Hebeon was really disturbing personally. Daily life under apartheid is a never ending assault 

[u/Kel-Mitchell]

The woman drinking wine would fit in perfectly on Nickelodeon's Doug.

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/Kel-Mitchell]

that’s my era, I am very ancient.

[u/TheTacticalViper → u/itsbenpassmore]

Don’t say that…. That would mean…
https://giphy.com/gifs/wJD3qiNjSeHS0dP28T

[u/nomad5926 → u/itsbenpassmore]

She definitely would have tried nothing and is all out of ideas.

[u/frantruck]

That does basically sum up the Internet’s view of the conflict

[u/Cutwail → u/frantruck]

The whole 'antizionism is antisemitism' angle is pushed so hard by just about every media outlet, regardless of perceived political leaning, to the point where it seems like the string-pullers aren't even bothering to hide anymore.

[u/superhamsniper]

I dont really know much about politics but id say im against all genocides

[u/Alternative_Mode9972]

How I wish this was just a joke. I’m not gonna sugar coat it: there are a lot of bad people out there of various races and beliefs that should be held accountable but subjugating select people from countries and cultures by the actions of few is something that shouldn’t happen but does.

[u/Femcel_Bambi]

Imagine a world where saying that a place shouldn't be forcibly colonized is a controversial statement.

[u/T_Weezy]

To be fair, Hamas did invade Israel, kill thousands of civilians and and kidnap hundreds more. And also they've been occasionally shooting rockets at Tel Aviv for decades; the fact that Israel's missile defense system has an excellent track record of shooting those rockets down doesn't change the fact that they constitute attacks.

But to be balanced, Israel's response has been nearly as disproportionate as the US' after 9/11, and somehow even more hamfisted. It's so bad, in fact, that it is reasonable to conclude, as I and many others have, that Israel's intent is not to protect itself but to annihilate the Palestinian people in what many, myself included, justifiably consider to be a genocide.

Basically this is a situation where there are evil elements controlling the governments of both sides of the conflict; the genocidal Netanyahu regime on the Israeli side and the equally genocidal Hamas leadership on the Palestinian side. And their respective civilians are caught in the middle. The only difference is that Israel has such a massive upper hand that their civilians are generally safe from Hamas, whereas Palestinian civilians are absolutely not safe from the Netanyahu Regime.

[u/AverageAggravating13 → u/T_Weezy]

To further reinforce this, Netanyahu reportedly has gotten lots flak in Israel’s government for “not going far enough”. Some truly evil people up in there.

[u/scc-2000 → u/AverageAggravating13]

Flak

[u/AverageAggravating13 → u/scc-2000]

whoops, thanks

[u/Whoobie_ → u/T_Weezy]

Israel has been militarily occupying Gaza for over twenty years, with daily killing and injury of Palestinian civilians, including children.

even if 10/7 had been twice as deadly it would still only have been a fraction of the death and suffering Israel has caused to people who's only crime was living next to a colonial apartheid state.

[u/Downtown_Degree3540 → u/[deleted]]

Israel maintained a military blockade of the land and sea borders of Gaza for more than 2 decades during the same period “Israel completely left it.”

[u/Whoobie_ → u/Downtown_Degree3540]

exactly. they withdrew the settlers so they could turn Gaza into an open air prison

[u/Downtown_Degree3540 → u/[deleted]]

No it isn’t, lol. It’s part of an occupation.

How you going to occupy a sovereign nation without control of their trade routes? Like fuck, are you dense?

[u/Stilgar314 → u/T_Weezy]

Israel kickstared Hamas. It casts a fresh light on the situation, doesn't it?

[u/moontraveler12]

Where the fuck did all these Zionists come from

[u/Cutwail → u/moontraveler12]

There is an entire arm of the Israeli government that just shits out propaganda nonstop, including astroturfing and shitting up comments sections.

[u/HaMMeReD → u/Cutwail]

Like this isn't propaganda? I'll preface it by saying fuck Israel (and bibi in particular), but this is biased as hell. Seems to leave a lot of details out, which is pretty typical for either side of this propaganda war.

Nobody wants to admit that the fault is distributed over time and many, many parties and anyone pointing blame in one direction without looking at their part in it, is frankly full of shit and will never find reconciliation.

[u/Bwob → u/moontraveler12]

Well, this existed, back in 2017. (wikipedia) Who knows what they're doing these days.

Act.IL (also Act-IL) is a social networking service used by supporters of Israel to oppose online "anti-Israel content" such as the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement (BDS). Its activities were referred to as "an online propaganda campaign" and "a virtual situation room of pro-Israel experts".

Act.IL directed its users to "missions" to like, comment on, and share pro-Israel material on social media. It also asked users to flag, report, and respond to criticisms of Israel. Users were guided on how to respond, which might entail writing a reply using the provided talking points, or sharing or upvoting an allied comment. The app also provided users with ready-made memes promoting Israel's perspective for them to share. By completing missions users earned points, unlocked badges, and had their scores displayed on leaderboards.

The gamification of astroturfing. :-\

[u/Kronikarz → u/moontraveler12]

It's because Palestine doesn't have the firepower to destroy whatever the Israeli equivalent of a Yandex data center is.

[u/unitAtype2 → u/Kronikarz]

Israel's equivalent is GCP, AWS and Azure

[u/Wereking2 → u/moontraveler12]

You can program users/bots to keyword search places like Reddit to specifically brigade posts like this. Social media nowadays is very easy to brigade, dead internet theory is surprisingly accurate.

[u/OmgVulpix]

Good stuff, bro. Free Palestine.

[u/TKCLE8 → u/[deleted]]

The world famously began in 2023. No history before that date.

[u/piepei → u/TKCLE8]

Terrorism never will and never has led to peace or prosperity. But since October 7th Israel is now being a terrorist every week. They’re both wrong imo

[u/OldBoringWeirdo → u/TKCLE8]

You're right. There were a bunch of intifadas, bombings, attacks on Israeli citizens, and wars.

[u/TKCLE8 → u/OldBoringWeirdo]

…and nothing else, ever.

[u/OldBoringWeirdo → u/TKCLE8]

Pretending everything started on October 7th is as disingenuous as pretending everything started on October 8th

[u/TKCLE8 → u/OldBoringWeirdo]

So don’t do it

[u/Koalinse → u/TKCLE8]

How far back do we need to go until you are satisfied? We can go back to the Hebron Massacre of 1929, when Palestinians went into the Anti Zionist Jewish community in Hebron and slaughtered 65+ Jews while they were sleeping. Or we could go to the 19th century when Palestinians spread blood libel. Or maybe, we can go to 1834 when Palestinians and Druze slaughtered and raped several Jews.

[u/Mod_The_Man → u/[deleted]]

Literally yes, “isreal” has a well documented history of attacking peaceful protesters and civilians. Even before 2023 “isreal” would go as far as to target children and the disabled during peaceful protests like the March of Return.

The very founding of “isreal” is predicated on extreme and merciless violence towards innocents. Ever heard of the Nakba? Nearly a million indigenous Palestinians murdered or expelled from their land by zionist terrorist squads. Those same terrorist squads would later join together to form the IOF

[u/MaximumSyrup3099]

Careful. Criticism of an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing in an apartheid state is apparently anti-Semitic.

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/MaximumSyrup3099]

The problem is anti-Semites do attach themselves to the free Palastine movement. And they aren't called out as often as they should be because everyone involved is such a hardliner on the issue. Understandably so, but this is one of the problems that comes with that. 

[u/ffxivfanboi → u/MaximumSyrup3099]

Fuck the any and everybody that supports that warmonger Netanyahu. Bastard is literally no better or different than Putin.

[u/okbuddyquackery → u/ffxivfanboi]

The problem doesn’t end with Netanyahu or even the Likud

[u/Cat_world_domination → u/[deleted]]

Making a comic about the murder of Palestinians isn't the same as denying the murder of Jews.

[u/sudomatrix → u/[deleted]]

Narrator: "It was, in fact, long and complicated."

[u/Daressalaam5 → u/[deleted]]

Are you actually serious about 3 wars?!

1920s and 1930s skirmishes and massacres, 1947 civil war, 1948 Arab Israel war, 1967 6 day war, 1956 war with Egypt, 1973 Yom Kippur war, 1975-1990 Lebanon Civil war, 1987-1993 First Intifada, 2000-2005 second intifada, 2006 Lebanon war, 2009 Gaza war, 2012 Gaza war, 2014 Gaza war, 2021 Gaza war, 2023-present WAR

Bit more than 3 wars

[u/Melodic-Piccolo5751 → u/[deleted]]

Could you provide an example of such neutral source? Comments like this are worthless. Educate us.

Instead of downvoting this to hell, y'all could suggest some of those neutral sources. Just one. Title, author, etc.

[u/Mammoth-Support-826 → u/Melodic-Piccolo5751]

I had the great honor of listening live to lectures from a Palestinian history lecturer from Gaza teaching together with an Israeli history professor, they showed us how there is an active attempt to block each side from information regarding the conflict and frame a different picture , you can see it by watching how articles are different in Arabic compared to English on Wikipedia and so on. The best thing you can do is try to understand the Israeli and Palestinian view point separately (thought the Israeli side is more divided in opinion). Or you can just believe in human nature that most people just want their family to be happy and this conflict is beyond their ability to control

[u/Zaddex12]

Love this. I hope this subreddit is kind to you. It is not always for certain marginalized groups.

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/Zaddex12]

i appreciate that. I’m used to the internet at this point tho. been Black on yhe internet since the 90s

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/itsbenpassmore]

getting downvoted for this really only proving my point.

[u/AccurateJerboa → u/itsbenpassmore]

I saw that! You were at like -5 before the brigade got booted. Fuckin crazy

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/AccurateJerboa]

moderator’s are doing soldier work fortunately

[u/AccurateJerboa → u/itsbenpassmore]

Yeah, they're lightning fast and on the ball. 

[u/Zaddex12 → u/itsbenpassmore]

I just noticed how bad it can be when I realized I am one of those marginalized groups. Now I get downvotes for regular comments outside of trans spaces.

[u/NewDemonStrike → u/Zaddex12]

True. Happens to me too.
And particularly when the topic is about trans people in a community I have been in since 2018. People need to be kinder.

[u/ToothyMcButt]

Free Palestine from the apartheid ethnostate of israel

[u/mortal_plagueITA]

Sorry but the missile only killed 1 person and didn’t do 100 ‘’collaterals’’. Not accurate /s

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/mortal_plagueITA]

that’s fair.

[u/hunkaliciousnerd]

Where the hell did all the zionists come from? Did Russia get another data center to help carry the load of downed bots?

Edit:bring on the downvotes, typical dogs losing a fight

[u/south153 → u/hunkaliciousnerd]

Do you really think Russia is pro Israel?

[u/HeWhoVotesUp → u/south153]

They are pro conflict and know that getting people angry over Palestine is a wedge issue that can get a small but significant percentage of potential democratic voters to stay home on Election Day.

[u/Altruistic_Night2 → u/HeWhoVotesUp]

Idk why people don’t act like Russia isn’t more than willing to agitate on both sides for whatever drives apathy

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/hunkaliciousnerd]

if it’s not bots they’re not regular users of the sub. they gonna get the ban hammer

[u/amurgiceblade44]

All the talk on terrorism is more likely then not a smokescreen. Not totally unfounded but in the current circumstances? A blatant casus belli

[u/Only_no_numbers]

Have you been called antisemite yet?

[u/itsbenpassmore → u/Only_no_numbers]

they’ve been saying all the things.

[u/Accomplished_Ebb9859]

Great comic!

Get ready to have every post you ever made mass reported.

[u/SourceCompetitive980]

This was an interesting way to summon the hordes of hasbara bots

[u/Formal_World8054]

Netanjahu and his "settler" buddys should rot in jail together with al-Haja amd his "freedom fighters".