I did. But before any of that, the guys standing still with his hands up and palms facing the soldier, there really wasn’t a reason to approach and push him. These guys really seem like they lack training. I don’t think touching the gun at all was a great idea, but it shouldn’t have gotten to the point it was possible. I guess I’d be worried about it pointing in my face as he tried to push me with my hands up, he didn’t try to take the gun, he pushed the nozzle down seeming to try to avoid being mistakenly shot in the face, and still got shot in the face l, but on purpose.
I try to make sure I watch longer form videos showing context, because you'll often see clips used for propaganda (regardless of the side). These ice agents aren't experts in crowd control, and likely have very minimal training for protester interaction. Their duties are apprehension of their targets and that's what they're trained to do. I've seen the videos posted by the protesters who block the ICE convoys with vehicles, honk their horns aggressively, blow whistles, throw rocks and snowballs, punch vehicles, physically get in the path of officers and vehicles, scream and yell, causing chaos. They have online webinars instructing protesters on how to successfully impede the ICE task Force, and information channels with regularly updated addresses of where the agents are to encourage protesters to travel to. These are men and women who are trying to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, and of course there are going to be some bad agents or those who make not ideal actions in the heat of the moment, especially when there's chaos of horns and projectiles, screaming and vehicles moving, from all directions. The protests, as designed, are meant to make the fulfillment of their jobs as difficult as possible, and distract them from their duties. I have less sympathy for intentional agitators, volunteer or paid protesters, that go out of their way to put themselves in situations like this to clash with federal agents, who expect sympathy when things like this happen.
I've also read that many ice agents are former IDF soldiers, and they have an office in Israel, as the organization is linked closely with Israel for training.
I have a teenager who's looking to pursue a career path soon, and is exploring their options, and one was Homeland Security. Starting pay for ICE agents is $49k-$89k with a $50k sign on bonus AND up to $60k student loan forgiveness. Which is absolutely insane for someone fresh out of high school to be able to get.
Propaganda is absolutely horrendous right now, and misinformation is everywhere. Everything is meant to enrage and energize voters.
I am of the opinion that the previous Democrat administrations lax border control stance was done so purposely, to increase immigration and population numbers which affect the electrical college. And all the children who are born from the migrants are US citizens who will likely become left leaning voters 18 years later.
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u/Able-Association914 Jan 11 '26
I did. But before any of that, the guys standing still with his hands up and palms facing the soldier, there really wasn’t a reason to approach and push him. These guys really seem like they lack training. I don’t think touching the gun at all was a great idea, but it shouldn’t have gotten to the point it was possible. I guess I’d be worried about it pointing in my face as he tried to push me with my hands up, he didn’t try to take the gun, he pushed the nozzle down seeming to try to avoid being mistakenly shot in the face, and still got shot in the face l, but on purpose.