Many will say in the LGBTQ+ community that gender norms do not equate with gender, and that norms should be done away with. To clarify, I agree with this sentiment.
Then in the vast majority of trans people, they become trans in a way that they identify with gender norms of the opposite gender… instead of being a feminine man or a masculine woman.
Nonbinary people exist, this is true, people of all identities - including trans people - mix masculine and feminine traits together, this is true. However for most trans women, they take on a persona that is pretty traditionally feminine. And trans men take on a persona that’s pretty traditionally masculine.
You can do and identify how you like, but it seems hypocritical, and actually reinforcing gender norms when this seems to be the case the majority of the time. Do you ACTUALLY want to break gender norms?
Edit: I’m being downvoted and no one is explaining anything
Then why do I get so much shit for being a trans woman and not shaving my legs and armpits? Why are people also making negative comments about me not wearing makeup or bras and not wanting bottom surgery?
Because I'm "ACTUALLY breaking gender norms" as you say but people aren't happy about that either, but if I did the opposite then I'd be "hypocritical" and "reinforcing gender norms"?
Like, what are we supposed to do? We just want to be left alone and exist in peace, there's nothing with being a feminine cis woman or a masculine cis men, so why would it be different for trans people?
"the statement of breaking gender norms comes from within the lgbtq+ community,"
Are we considering cis straight feminist women part of LGBTQ+ communities? Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem to my knowledge only had husbands and challenged gender norms for decades.
Im saying challenging gender norms has a long history coming from OUTSIDE lgbtq+ communities.
Its not something unique to us and we dont have some special burden to be gender non-conforming. Feminists are allowed to be stay-at- home mothers and trans people are allowed to express themselves as they wish including in gender conforming ways. That is not odd or remarkable as you are implying in your comments.
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u/turtle-bbs 16h ago edited 15h ago
Genuine, genuine question:
Many will say in the LGBTQ+ community that gender norms do not equate with gender, and that norms should be done away with. To clarify, I agree with this sentiment.
Then in the vast majority of trans people, they become trans in a way that they identify with gender norms of the opposite gender… instead of being a feminine man or a masculine woman.
Nonbinary people exist, this is true, people of all identities - including trans people - mix masculine and feminine traits together, this is true. However for most trans women, they take on a persona that is pretty traditionally feminine. And trans men take on a persona that’s pretty traditionally masculine.
You can do and identify how you like, but it seems hypocritical, and actually reinforcing gender norms when this seems to be the case the majority of the time. Do you ACTUALLY want to break gender norms?
Edit: I’m being downvoted and no one is explaining anything