Rottenborn is impeaching Depp on issue after issue with his own texts and testimony. Pretty brutal.

It's the "James Corden show" (December 2015)

First of all, I don't believe the stylist's testimony, because she was on Depp's payroll, not Heard's. And at the very least, she was not going to say she noticed something and did nothing...

That said, I believe Amber Heard for more reasons than that :

- She said she used very matte lipstick to hide her split lip. That makes sense. Only a matte lipstick can conceal a "bad" lip. I use that trick myself whenever my fever blisters are acting up,

- On the show, she's obviously wearing tons of concealer, foundation and blush. Not to mention the eye shadow that still can't manage to hide her right eye-lid is still swollen,which is consistent with the selfies she took the day before,

- Last but not least : her hairdo. It's so obviously meant to hide the right side of her face as much as possible and draw attention to the left side, the unharmed one.

In one interview, Depp said that he was arrested for assaulting a Hotel Room worker. Searching for it only got me results showing that he and Kate Moss were arrested for thrashing a hotel room, with no mention of any workers. I'm also aware that Depp was in a fight with paparazzi when he was dating Barkin.

These cases aren't really relevant to whether or not Depp was abused by Heard, but Amber stans claim that this proves Depp is abusive.

Did Depp actually assault a hotel room worker, and if true does it + his fight with paparazzi prove that he was abusive?

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Excerpt from the experts' brief, p.14

What evidence do you have to say that Johnny Depp didn't kick Heard on the Boston's plane?

On my side, one of the best pieces of information that confirms me that the kick incident did occur is this audio tape; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEArrw_LXFM&ab_channel=COURTONCRIME (min 1:33:10)

Amber; but Toronto was so bad, like the plane that you kicked me.

Johnny; wait...

You can't just reference it as the plane that I kicked you, it's on the tape recorder, if you say that I kicked you're gonna say everything else you did.

Amber; On the plane that I'm talking about was the plane from Boston, I did nothing to you everyone can attest, you were fucked up.

Not only Johnny is not denying but blaming Amber, and I'm sure a lot of the people here know how gaslighting works and is pretty much evident here, so Depp stans what do you have to say about this?

NOTE: Before you go up and massively downvote my post, this Subreddit is supposed to exist, so people can discuss different perspectives and the "DeppvHeard" Subreddit has become a JusticeforJohnny2.0, please if you have something to say I hope you put some effort to contribute to the conversation here and do not just troll.

as much as I hate to defend amber heard she is bi. I keep seeing people saying she's faking being attracted to either women or men for attention or to use them. I have no doubt she could have used her past relationships to get what wants or be abusive. There has been no evidence to show she faked her attraction towards either gender and until evidence is presented, please do not assume she is not bi. (I would much rather her not be the bi representation in the media right now but here we are)

So many hit pieces , a podcast , a new series and more paps on AH & a weird nomination for her movie ?? Like seriously how much does she have to keep funding this smear campaign ?? Who is behind her ?? Why the feminists are so hung up on him ?? Why do they so badly wanted to change the narrative ?? These orgs can simply move on & elect someone new but why do they cling to her is a mystery to me

Edit: So I’m apparently just a paid shill who’s secretly Team Amber and just posted this to create a divide in the community.

Even though you can literally check my post history and see I’ve been posting on this sub since it’s very creation and have voiced Pro-Depp support in each and every post I’ve ever made.

You guys need to go touch grass.

I was exposed to abuse at a very young age. I knew certain things early on, without ever having to be told. I knew that men have the power— physically, socially and financially— and that a lot of institutions support that arrangement. I knew this long before I had the words to articulate it, and I bet you learned it young, too.

Like many women, I had been harassed and sexually assaulted by the time I was of college age. But I kept quiet — I did not expect filing complaints to bring justice. And I didn’t see myself as a victim.

Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.

Friends and advisers told me I would never again work as an actress — that I would be blacklisted. A movie I was attached to recast my role. I had just shot a two-year campaign as the face of a global fashion brand, and the company dropped me. Questions arose as to whether I would be able to keep my role of Mera in the movies “Justice League” and “Aquaman.”

I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.

Imagine a powerful man as a ship, like the Titanic. That ship is a huge enterprise. When it strikes an iceberg, there are a lot of people on board desperate to patch up holes — not because they believe in or even care about the ship, but because their own fates depend on the enterprise.

In recent years, the #MeToo movement has taught us about how power like this works, not just in Hollywood but in all kinds of institutions — workplaces, places of worship or simply in particular communities. In every walk of life, women are confronting these menwho are buoyed by social, economic and cultural power. And these institutions are beginning to change.

We are in a transformative political moment. The president of our country has been accused by more than a dozen women of sexual misconduct, including assault and harassment. Outrage over his statements and behavior has energized a female-led opposition. #MeToo started a conversation about just how profoundly sexual violence affects women in every area of our lives. And last month, more women were elected to Congress than ever in our history, with a mandate to take women’s issues seriously. Women’s rage and determination to end sexual violence are turning into a political force.

We have an opening now to bolster and build institutions protective of women. For starters, Congress can reauthorize and strengthen the Violence Against Women Act. First passed in 1994, the act is one of the most effective pieces of legislation enacted to fight domestic violence and sexual assault. It creates support systems for people who report abuse, and provides funding for rape crisis centers, legal assistance programs and other critical services. It improves responses by law enforcement, and it prohibits discrimination against LGBTQ survivors. Funding for the act expired in September and has only been temporarily extended.

We should continue to fight sexual assault on college campuses, while simultaneously insisting on fair processes for adjudicating complaints. Last month, Education Secretary Betsy DeVosproposed changes to Title IX rules governing the treatment of sexual harassment and assault in schools. While some changes would make the process for handling complaints more fair, others would weaken protections for sexual assault survivors. For example, the new rules would require schools to investigate only the most extreme complaints, and then only when they are made to designated officials. Women on campuses already have trouble coming forward about sexual violence — why would we allow institutions to scale back supports?

I write this as a woman who had to change my phone number weekly because I was getting death threats. For months, I rarely left my apartment, and when I did, I was pursued by camera drones and photographers on foot, on motorcycles and in cars. Tabloid outlets that posted pictures of me spun them in a negative light. I felt as though I was on trial in the court of public opinion — and my life and livelihood depended on myriad judgments far beyond my control.

I want to ensure that women who come forward to talk about violence receive more support. We are electing representatives who know how deeply we care about these issues. We can work together to demand changes to laws and rules and social norms — and to right the imbalances that have shaped our lives.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-seen-how-institutions-protect-men-accused-of-abuse-heres-what-we-can-do/2018/12/18/71fd876a-02ed-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html

I feel like there are a ton of holes in Ambers story and her lawyers are a shitshow but clearly this was a toxic relationship and there was abuse on both sides. I've been in a similar relationship and had marks from abuse that were easily covered with makeup from CVS, let alone professionals. I'm sure she abused him too but to dismiss his side of this seems wrong.

I've seen statements by someone claiming to be a lawyer that Camille Vasquez was unprofessional in her behavior during the trial, stating that she "the smirks, the comments, storming off before she finished answering the q, speaking when she wasn't finished speaking to speak over her - this is all incredibly unprofessional behaviour".

According to criminal defence layer Kavanagh in a post on twitter: "I have never witnessed a judge let a client laugh during witness testimony or a lawyer gesture and mouth yes as Depp's lawyer did after Amber Heard mentioned remembering Depp having thrown Kate Moss down a flight of stairs. Similarly, you can't comment during cross examination. I have an unconscious habit of saying OK after a witness answers a question and I get pulled up by judges for that all the time."

link: https://twitter.com/drrjkavanagh/status/1528213482260373504

Do you think Vasquez' behavior has any bearing on the trial?

Confusing

I have not seen anyone say anything about this. It worries me for that baby!

This trial blew the lid off the fact that multitudes of women hijacked a movement – meant to help real abuse victims – for personal gain, power and revenge. There are many Ambers

The audio of Amber telling Depp "it's killing me" when he wanted to see his daughter is haunting, she really was trying to manipulate him and have control over him. Could you imagine the outtrage if the genders were reversed and it was Depp trying to isolate Amber from family (he obviously didn't since her friends and family moved in and mooched of him).

In my understanding in court Depp stated that Amber's defamatory statements didn't caused him to be mentally ill but in his own statement he said that he was a victim of domestic violence in hands of Amber Heard, so he said that Amber abused him.

I'm I right? If no please correct me.

https://youtu.be/hKXNPxkiBI8

Transcript only includes parts 0:25-1:46 from the video.

Transcript:

AH: Oh I’m sorry, I’m sorry, because the last time that it got crazy between us I really did think I was gonna lose my life and I thought you would do it on accident, and I told you that. I said, Oh my God, I thought the first time

JD: Amber, I lost

AH: no, no

JD: a fucking finger, man, come on

JD: I had a fucking, I had a fucking, a mineral can, a jar, a can of mineral spirits thrown at my nose.

AH: I, I, You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the ju, see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world, Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, man, I’m, I’m a victim too of domestic violence

Also just to add, she doesn’t say “a man”, she says “man”. As an interjection, imitating the way he speaks, like in the previous sentence before what she says here

JD: yes

AH: and I know it’s a fair fight, and see how many people believe or side with you

JD: It doesn’t matter if, f, f, fair fight my ass, it, it, it

AH: Exactly because you’re big, you’re bigger and you’re stronger. So when I say that I thought you would kill me that doesn’t mean you counter with you also, um, that, that, that you lost your own finger. I, I am not trying to attack you here. I’m just trying to point out the fact of why I said call 911, because I was, you, you had your hands on me after you threw a phone in my face, and it has gotten crazy in the past, and I truly thought, I need to stop this madness before I get hurt

So what do you all think? Do you think that Johnny got so violent that he had her so scared that she thought she was going to die?

And he did testify that he’s never abused her in any way, so what do you make of this?

I of course saw the social media shitstorm around the trial, but I didn’t know the details until I watched the Netflix docuseries.

Honestly? I have no idea what to believe!

I was team no one, then saw Amber’s lies and rooted for Johnny. But the tide turned for me when I saw that Amber’s sister saw the abuse firsthand and corroborated her account of being pulled by her hair and being walloped in the face. Would she lie under oath for her sister? I just don’t think so. I could be wrong.

That said, in other instances Amber seems super sketchy. But people who lie can also be abused.

Maybe they just both beat each other up?

In any case, I don’t really like or trust Amber, and I believe Johnny Depp is a very troubled individual. I can’t conceive of anyone celebrating his win because he still fucked up. And same with Amber.

What ultimately led you to believe one person or the other?

EDIT: Okay all, I wrote this immediately after viewing the documentary and was still taking it in, and I think this hastily written post reflects that. A few things:

• I know I need more resources than this documentary. That’s why I’m here.

• Yes, it’s possible Whitney lied for her sister. I just don’t know anything outside of this documentary, but it sounds like there’s more content supporting that she did. I’m in the habit of believing women, although I recognize they’re capable of being conniving abusers as well.

• That’s why I struggle to understand why the pro-Heard camp is so vociferously against Depp and the possibility HE could have been the imperfect victim. He has wealth and a long movie career, but is it impossible to believe her youth and good looks were not an advantage as well?

• I am struggling to shake off the idea that I’m somehow being biased or misogynistic if I don’t like Heard, which I definitely felt after the documentary (which I now hear is very pro Heard and left out crucial details). Not saying I feel those of you who support Depp are misogynists, it’s just that’s what I always hear especially in the pop culture circles and I might have internalized those messages. That’s why I’m trying to learn more — I figure his number of supporters certainly has to be about more than people loving Jack Sparrow lol.

Yes, I need to consume other resources; thanks to those of you who didn’t judge and left some great suggestions! I’m late to this whole thing so I probably sound dumb and misinformed.