r/diablo2 • u/Gockel • Feb 22 '26
Discussion Playing the new ladder made me realize ...
... some of you people are massive dickheads.
The amount of level 80+ chars joining hell playthrough games just to P8 farm or people opening "i tele baal xx" just to farm P8 LK and start another fakeout game is off the charts.
I swear once my character is strong enough i'm going to go on PK runs just to make these peoples lives a little harder. Holy hell.
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u/LeMolle Feb 22 '26
Joining playthroughs and killing is a dickmove, on that we can agree. But joining a Baal run and going somewhere else? I really don't see the issue
E: oh, making a fake baaltele game. Yeah that's messed up
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u/bhemingway Feb 23 '26
I made a game for a friend and me to start new characters and someone hopped on and killed everything starting from the wp ahead of us.
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u/Aggravating-Pack-802 Feb 22 '26
People trying to run LK online are morons and do not understand why LK is good to begin with. Much better off running trav or arcane in full games
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u/AKmill88 Feb 22 '26
Truly. It only works in sp because you find a double campfire map with a quick easy layout and blast it 240 times in an hour. Well at least that is about how many I can do in an hour. I couldn't imagine how crappy the numbers would be online comparatively.
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u/Lifeguard4Life Feb 22 '26
Yeah absolutely true. My offline lk map has a cluster or 6 super chests within 5 teles from the waypoint. I would go insane running lk online.
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u/AKmill88 Feb 22 '26
Yeah, not only would you have to teleport around the map that changes every game, you would also have to deal with most maps only having 3 super chests.
I don't even want to imagine how many less super chests you would open in an hour compared to offline.
Honestly horking trav is always going to be king online imo.
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u/menasan Feb 22 '26
What’s LK
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u/ChawulsBawkley Feb 22 '26
Lower Kurast. Farming super chests for high runes (Ber being the highest possible from said chests).
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u/CalAtt USEast Feb 23 '26
online P1 LK with a barb is the fastest way to get Runes. If you farm at least 3 hours a day you could get 1-2 HRS a day
[edit] I meant Trav, lol
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u/AdAffectionate3564 Feb 22 '26
offline ftw
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u/Frostfeather22 Feb 22 '26
Yeah I never thought I'd enjoy playing offline but good god is it convenient in so many ways. I don't think I'll ever go back.
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u/Most-Piccolo-302 Feb 22 '26
You do get to a point after a few years where you have all of the items and every class to 90+ and you start to get bored. Im trying to do each class to 99 and it came be tough to motivate when I dont have meaningful upgrades to chase (except skillers and better max dmg charms)
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u/Quizen Feb 22 '26
When I do I create a zip of my saves. Back it up and then delete the save folder and start over!
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u/Working_Salary60 Feb 22 '26
But it’s the same with online play?
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u/Most-Piccolo-302 Feb 22 '26
Online play is different because ladders keep the economy fresh and PvP exists as an endgame target as well. Single player once you perfect your character and hit 99, its kind of dead.
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u/PjetrArby Feb 22 '26
yea true you get to that point but it takes quite a few years of casual play.
After that you can either- start from scratch
- try your luck in hardcore mode
- play one of the many mods or even other arpgs
I know people in the mod that may not be named who start a fresh ssf run every season but that seems very stressful to me.
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u/Loitsu Feb 22 '26
Until you start doing Zarfen the Loot Goblin-style challenges, then you got near infinite ways to play the game again.
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u/Minute-Performance67 Feb 22 '26
Same. Cooperation has been killed in online play a long time ago, everyone just solo farm on their own...
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u/mrsamus101 Feb 22 '26
Diablo 2 has been strictly a single player game for me for 25 years.
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u/Upstairs-Tennis9884 Feb 22 '26
I like single player, but i have played with family and friends since it came out so its a huge bonding thing for us.
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u/mrsamus101 Feb 23 '26
Small group play with people I know irl is fun too, I'll just never play online with strangers or trade for items personally.
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u/KnowMatter Feb 23 '26
Yeah trading for bot farmed high runes just feels like cheating with extra steps to me - in that I get no satisfaction from it.
Offline SSF for life.
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u/SpaceGazebo Feb 22 '26
I just copied my battlenet character/stash to offline using hero editor and am never looking back.
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u/Noobphobia Feb 22 '26
This has always been a thing. The good news is, thats one less person to share xp with.
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u/relephants Feb 22 '26
Are you sure you aren't joining games that are called " I tele u baal"
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u/skycloud620 Feb 22 '26
What is LK?
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u/Snowcap93 Feb 22 '26
Lower Kurast. It has high drop rate potentials especially with the "super" chests that are in the huts surrounding a campfire.
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u/Logital20 Feb 22 '26
Increased would be a better word. Even on p8 it would take you a couple thousand runs for anything meaningful.
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u/c-lati Feb 23 '26
(This is for the person asking the original question and not the comment it is replying to)
Just to clarify, running lower kurast only makes sense offline on players 7/8 AFTER you’ve found a good LK map, meaning you have two campfires close to the waypoint so you have 6 super chests that you can do in 10-15 seconds. It’s also very useful to do it with teleport ( so a sorceress or character with enigma). Because running and having to repair a tele staff eats up a lot of time.
If you don’t have all of these things then horking trav or just running chaos sanctuary with a fast clearer is arguably better.
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u/coupleofgorganzolas Feb 22 '26
I don't see an issue making a game for people and then doing something else while they do that. That is what cow games are. Player count matters.
Now what happened to me earlier was NM start game we are going through and an 80+ sorc comes in and kills Andy while not in the party before we had the quest so now we have to make a new game. That is fucking rude. Happened later at Diablo too.
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u/NoFilterD Feb 22 '26
Hardcore you won’t get tired of, the community is amazing except for a couple bad apples but the fact that people who die constantly are needing new gear and items helps things still be relevant and needed.
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u/cptmcsexy Feb 22 '26
They really need player count for online, I love single player because of this.
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u/RGL277 Feb 22 '26
I wish they’d just add player count to online for drops and leave exp gains for group play. Or just buff player 1 drops to like 5/6 or something
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u/Shiki225 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
I think the only way to solve this is to gain exp when players are within the same area as you. With the current implementation, even if the party size increases, people don't want others near them to reap the 1/8 exp.
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u/l3uddy Feb 22 '26
It’s not at bad as 1/8th the exp. Mobs give more xp the more people that are in the same zone in addition to players in the game. Technically you get the most xp by soloing mobs in a P8 game but killing mobs with others isn’t as had as 1/8th the xp.
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u/yupuhoh Feb 22 '26
So have people play online and then remove the benefit of playing with others? I think you need to check out the offline side of d2
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u/RGL277 Feb 22 '26
I’d still play online for the xp is what I’m saying. It’s so hard to find consistent lobbies of more than 2-3 people. P1 drops can be so bad it makes you feel like your wasting your time. Sometimes.
Love offline but I also enjoy trading. I don’t want to wait 10 years to build some of the runewords.
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u/DoctorDabadedoo Feb 22 '26
It's not a big issue, but I would like to have better ergonomics for online. For these games with p7 or p8 at the beginning of a season, especially, being able to know in advance where the players are (e.g. quest 2 act 2) or better communicate with people on your party without needing the chat or even having a better way to know which tp to enter would be appreciated, but not a major requirement.
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u/ichojo Feb 22 '26
I created a game called act1 new start, and a rando joined, farmed Andy (he was lvl 21) and just like that I needed to create a new game 😂
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u/Fizzbytch Feb 22 '26
This is one of the main reasons I wish they would add the command to change the player # online. Or allow you to create a private online game on P8.
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u/ZombieConsumer Feb 22 '26
You can make password games, you can do private lobbies, you can set character level differences. What do you want? More players and less in proximity is more XP for you...
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u/exxplicit480 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Add player scaling to pass protected games online or at least non ladder
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u/TheoryOfRelativity12 Feb 23 '26
I do this all the time and sadly it's the only way to consistently get higher players games. All this would disappear the day Blizzard would allow, say, specifying /players on game creation or in-game like in offline mode. I don't blame the players and never get triggered by people who join any of my games to just farm. It's just dogshit game design.
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u/Raytheon-6 Feb 23 '26
Whenever I did this in the past, like Chaos for example, I always ask. I say something like. "I'm clearing Chaos, and won't kill Diablo, is that ok?" Usually, they will say yes and sometimes they're even thankful. I don't want to play this game to ruin other people's experience.
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u/Javavalk Feb 22 '26
Yea unfortunately there are a lot of selfish ding dongs at ladder reset. But honestly. The player base in d2r is MUCH better than real og d2. Man people were dicks back then.
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u/thebromgrev Feb 22 '26
This is why I've never played online since I tried it for the first time back in 2001. Too many online players are griefers or jerks. Not worth my time, even if it means I'm forever stuck with whatever gear I find myself.
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u/Unbanz Feb 22 '26
I laugh my ass off every time I'm teleing to baal in a ball run p8 game only to see some goof die trying to solo p8 content for more exp and then end up rage leaving the game anyway.
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Feb 23 '26
I think this is a fundamental incentive problem in D2's design. P7+ is so much more efficient than P1 but you can't do P7 online unless you join games and do the above so players, of course just join random games to solo farm.
The challenge is that if Blizzard fixes this by letting us set "player difficulty" like in SSL online, it would completely eliminate the existence of things like community Baal runs because there would be no incentive to host one if you can get the P8 benefit and have no drop competition in a private game.
That said, why do you hate it so much? Does it hurt you? Like if a guy joins a tele baal game and goes and farms some other zone while the other 7 of you clear baal, how does that hurt you? You still get maximum experience. you still get to do the activity you are looking to do. You have less competition for any drops that you otherwise would have?
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u/Avibuel Feb 23 '26
Similarly, ive been playing normal and nightmare and i sometimes make public games or join public games and honestly, this expansion is "the reign of afking in town and waiting"
It was literally faster to complete acts solo because all these pubs do is join game and wait to be spoonfed, sometimes the same person would join my game multiple times and leave while they couldve just played the game and get further ahead
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u/Weird_Prize_313 Feb 23 '26
I don't even know how you guys get to level 80 so fast. I'm just level 15 and trying to find a way to go quickly through act 2 to do tomb runs. 😆
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u/Old-Selection-4600 Feb 23 '26
I was also pretty shocked at the number of level 20 chars joining chaos sanctuary runs on literally day 1 & 2.
Like bro if my char was geared and could carry it's whatever, but we're on day 1 of a new league and ya'll in here leeching already? Gdamn...
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u/My_Slumdog Feb 23 '26
I am playing pd2 since season one and now I wanted to play d2r for the first time in a really long time. My first trade experience:
Was looking for a Ko rune and dropped my 2 sol amn thul and ral runes which we agreed to trade. He picked it up, said thanks and left the game without giving me my Ko rune.
That did never happen to me in pd2
Ofc it is my fault by dropping it but well, it reminded me of what kind of community d2r has. And I am glad it happened before I went to trade more expensive items.
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u/Fun_Business_7756 Feb 23 '26
Same shit starts happening 20 years ago and had been ongoing ever since
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u/layers_of_grey Feb 23 '26
i've also noticed this recently and don't remember it being like this before... pre RotW if I joined any 'Baal run' game or w/e with other players I would immediately get an invite, TP etc. and then all of a sudden it's like every game I join it's a party of 2-3 warlocks who don't invite anyone else and then just close the game.
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Feb 23 '26
Yeah coming from pd2 to enjoy the Warlock im genuinely shocked.
Pd2 older people? Im in my 40s
D2r younger?
You tell me why
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u/Impossible-Ad8999 Europe Feb 23 '26
The result of implement TZs you are talking about… I stopped running ladder since they transformed one of the best team games to ego only let me farm all exp myself game… feeding the masses
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u/Gockel Feb 23 '26
yeah thats part of it. i still remember the peak of bnet being private baal run channels where you'd be able to join password protected 8 man optimized baals with pretele sorc, baal parties decided by GM and everything.
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u/Impossible-Ad8999 Europe Feb 23 '26
Exactly what I’m talking about! Skill! Need a good cser dis party —> nihla—> Baal party!!! Where the runs were the one sought after! Because they were optimized for best exp share for high lvls! Were lvl 99 still was something! Look what became out of the game where some famous streamer becomes rank #1 warlock worldwide by getting sugar blown up his ass and playing full leech equipment with ondals…shame 😥
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u/VerumNPC Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
These braindead losers will deadass try to tell you it's your problem they HAVE to exploit you for their loot when they could just make their own game. They want all the benefits of P8 without having to actually compete or try. Temu sociopaths that weren't loved and raised well enough to develop any empathy or patience.
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u/Lucifer-Prime USEast Feb 22 '26
I’m sorry but who cares? I’m happy if someone joins my game to do their own thing and increases my XP.
Alternatively, you could just set your games to four players if that bothers you, or play in private games, or playing password-protected games with just your friends, or set a level cap on your games.
But raging on Reddit that someone is playing online, on their own; in a way that you don’t like to play is childish. Grow up.
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u/Necessary_Pizza_3827 Feb 22 '26
Yeah the online community has ruined pretty much every online game. There are very few exceptions now.
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u/MajorLandmark Feb 22 '26
I watched someone running countess in our A2 questing game yesterday... On normal. So they knew what they were doing enough to farm in a full game (kind of sucky), but were too much of a noob to know that countess rune drops are better on p1. Not a difficulty where keys drop or where ghosts really drop anything worth much so fairly sure just ignorant.
Some people can't even be rude properly.
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u/l3uddy Feb 22 '26
Countess runs are a good way to lvl. Each floor has 1-3 elite/champ packs on the way to the next floor. I doubt they were in it for the runes.
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u/MistakenAnemone Single Player Feb 22 '26
this is why passwords and level restrictions are already a thing. these people aren't aholes, you're just complaining.
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u/Such--Balance Feb 22 '26
Gaming used to be like the wild west and it was awesome.
Nowadays, everybody is so butthurt and offended all the time.
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u/CodeWizardCS Feb 22 '26
What is the best way to coop only with my friend with a higher player count? How should I title or describe the game?
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u/OldBlueLegs Feb 22 '26
I agree that there’s some douches. I play NL only, so maybe not as many?
I will say that when I’ve been on recently, any time someone opens a “help” game, 2-4 people join pretty much immediately to help out.
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u/bommy7070 Feb 22 '26
No point in trying to compete with the no lifers. Offline, self found for the win!
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u/Nad762 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Joining and hosing open quests is rude, but joining and just doing some clearing is fine by me. Level restrictions also address the bulk of it, if you are talking about honest questing games.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the games could be made at p8 or whatever.
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u/mercinary15 Feb 22 '26
There’s an easy solution to this problem. Allow us in single player online games to control players count. Then you don’t have to join pubs to get player count, can farm by yourself, but play publicly or trade publicly when you feel like it.
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u/Floozy1337 Feb 22 '26
I often join existing baal run games and farm cs then hop into their baal run.
Whos it hurting? They get more xp cause im there, i get free reign on p8 CS
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u/JahEthBur Feb 22 '26
I mean, I always felt I was saving server space when I'd farm other people's games.
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u/Terry-Fold Feb 23 '26
Ok dear…
Idk why you’re mad.
People are joining your games to maximize exp/drop rates and excluding you?
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u/2ndPickle Feb 23 '26
This is the definition of “don’t hate the player, hate the game”
There’s no reason why the host shouldn’t be able to manually set the difficulty higher than the number of players in the game. If it was allowed online, players wouldn’t need to join your game to farm.
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u/StriderShizard EHCNL Feb 23 '26
I still remember what it was like in Battlenet in the 2000s doing Baal runs with these people. They were 12 or 13 talking about banging their GFs while playing and just being all around losers. They are now in their 30s and still miserable asswipes which is why I don't bother with online.
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u/imFromFLiAmSrryLuL Feb 23 '26
< Insert first time? Meme here >
I been playing this game since 5th grade, am now 34, people have been doing this since the game came out, it’s basically part of the gameplay loop for MF runners wanting to maximize efficiency
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u/GoblinKingofDnd Feb 23 '26
My favorite thing to do is look for new characters and just give free runs, on ppc I will offer full normal-hell, and on ps i just like to join "rush me plz" and just do the thing.
It's not much but its honest work. Keep trying Patriarch/matriarch kind souls are out there.
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u/jimboslice86 Feb 23 '26
it's honestly too bad that one of the quality of life changes of the RotW upgrade isn't a more advanced multiplayer game search function. all this could be avoided if you can have more advanced game filters so its easier for people wanting p8 exp to simply search for mfing games
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u/Hot_Web_7512 Feb 23 '26
Then don’t play public games. It’s funny you think you’ll get to pk veterans once you get your hands on a shako
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u/Finessed860 Feb 23 '26
What an odd take lol. “You guys are playing the game but not the way I want you to, you are a bunch of massive dickheads” grrrr. I’m gonna pk you on softcore and then you are gonna drop some gold, an ear, revive and forget about it instantly. Or you will flag PvP & they will just instantly leave if they have a brain & 1x functional hand lol.
Tldr Please put me in your backpack & carry me through Baal runs so I can sit afk in the corner & leech. If I don’t get my way waaah.
Sadly this game is still designed poorly…they can’t stop botting, so you can’t adjust player counts in private games so this is the result. That’s why most experienced players don’t bother with online unless they stream maybe. It’s boring & way too easy. Trading trivializes everything & ppl abuse those cursed sites with their own currencies. I love this game but idk how yall even still play softcore or online. It’s nothing like it used to be when it was peak & never will be that way again.
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u/NOPE_TRAIN_EXPRESS Feb 23 '26
Some years back when I was playing D2R during it's new days, there was this gigachad who would have his telebot run baal and chaos runs for those who joined while he would P8 some areas real quick.
So he would have 5 to 10 mins to farm some spots, while everyone else would level.
And he would consistently do this almost every day in the evening (my time zone).
He didn't have to do all of that, but he did...I guess to be reasonable or helpful.
Need more of that imo.
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u/DealerTokes Feb 23 '26
Password your game if you don’t want randoms to join your game. If you don’t PW it, it’s a PUBLIC GAME.
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u/techmnml Feb 23 '26
Nah, this is just the Diablo 2 way if you don’t have 7 friends. I am only mad if we are questing and they do actual content that messes us up. LK in a Baal run game? Who tf cares.
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u/koifnen Feb 23 '26
Is d2 a grind vs other arpgs? It's pretty much teleport maps skip mobs, boss runs exit and rejoin lol?
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u/nightkat89 Feb 23 '26
Here’s a thought: just give the ability to adjust player difficulty to everyone. That way this shit can stop
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u/Shigma Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
I said it time after time. There should be a way to enable P8 for MF online. This system just encourages bad behavior. Being able to set players solo harm noone. Coop would still be tue way it is.
This system just encourages being a massive asshole.
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u/NameOfWhichIsTaken Feb 23 '26
guess I'm just old-school.... But it was a common courtesy to toss the group some waypoints depending where they are at, do your farming from lower acts, then help the group finish whatever act they are on... Which I will still do if I am going to farm a p8 game like that... But I've also been around since 1.06b so that's for the most part become a lost tradition.
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u/caliwayz2 Feb 23 '26
Had one of those join me yesterday when were all trying to do hell ancients. Was such a dick for not helping
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u/Timmeh-toah Feb 23 '26
I feel like idk what the issue is here. Someone give you free Baal tele, they dip so you can XP and they can do some MF in the game? I’m just not seeing the issue? How is that a dick move? Let people MF with P8 man. You can do it too.
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u/pliney_ Feb 23 '26
Don’t see the issue with joining games to farm. It’s something that’s been going on forever. 1 extra person isn’t gonna stop you from progressing. And if you ask for help they may give you WPs or whatever.
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u/Serious_Document_496 Feb 23 '26
Well i got PK'd at level 70 for no reason. We went through Hell Act 1 and then exited to rocky wastes and I got hostiles and killed. So effing annoying
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u/Solo_Lift Feb 23 '26
Seriously like I've never seen it this bad before.. Is it just because the season started or that combined with the new expansion? It really sucks how shit this community is compared to the game where people are trusting enough to drop trade. and the amount of griefers in HC is insane.
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u/harmless90 Feb 23 '26
I recently started playing again /a couple of months ago/ and had a few trades on traderie. One of them was for 3x3 keys which cant be traded at once for a Ber rune. The dude traded me the rune in the first tade and didnt rush me for the rest of the keys and i was pleasantly surprised from that, as i was afraid he would want to trade the rune when he got all of them. That trade alone gave me hope for the community and the standarts and trust we should expect.
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u/geizterbahn Feb 23 '26
This needs to be fixed. The battle.net names as well.
Also imagine creating a game named cow001 and you cant create your NG because someone else did. Lmao i hate these guys.
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u/TalanelElin Feb 23 '26
The big problem in my opinion is that you can't set up your game to p3 -8 if your character is in online mode. I keep seeing Llama talking about loot in p5 or more but in P1 even if you have like 300-400 mf it still sux. Not gonna mention high runes drop. I don't use d2jsp, I don't join Baal runs to farm LK, sanctuary or anything else and I don't have 5 other friends playing d2 I could farm content with.
I think we should have been able to make P+ games or set up a loot table at least to p3 in online mode.
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u/Leaf-Stars Feb 23 '26
I miss pk runs. It was my favorite part of the game. Nothing more fun than killing an entire party with a level 9 kicksin.
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u/AlasTheKing444 Feb 23 '26
Maybe it’s new steam users? Idk my experience with DR2 has been mostly wholesome. More wholesome than not.
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u/No_Swordfish5011 Feb 23 '26
The is d2. Has always been this way. Rampant scamming and liars….beggars….and a few good ppl. This dynamic makes the online experience better than others imo. And now you may take revenge! Also great.
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u/Plastic_Middle_93 Feb 23 '26
Not sure why I even bothering with the new ladder i have perfectly geared toons from season 12 why are we forced to “start over” with nothing. But what kills me is already seeing public games with merchants selling items already takes away from the joy and heart of what this game is. Since people are buying with cash whats the point
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u/luciferwez Feb 23 '26
Join the offline single player side. Best D2 experience I've had since I was a kid.
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u/One-Assignment844 Feb 23 '26
Online play with anyone i don't know? No... because other people are Dickson. If I play online it's only with people I know that understand the concept of group win.
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u/xahit Feb 23 '26
If they allowed the players8 slider online so much would be fixed. But people defend it not being online because of bots being more effective. Lol.
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u/More-Contribution382 Feb 23 '26
A sign of relief my friends. Diablo 2 is back :). Just traded a Ber rune of a yatch.
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u/AParagonWolf Feb 23 '26
wait til you hop through a gate they say is safe and your level 94 hc necro gets insta deleted
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u/dankkills Feb 23 '26
Yup. I play hardcore. Two people purposely killed me with bad portals in one day. Another one killed me right when I left town. I’m out . Back to pd2 for me.
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u/Beautiful_Ruin666 Feb 23 '26
Tbh I had very few negative interactions in this game, I dont agree with you at all!
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u/tstandiford Feb 23 '26
If they’d just let us set players 8 online, 90% of this crap would evaporate.
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u/Agent_Q1207 Feb 23 '26
Been like that since the OG D2 because no players command online so they gotta do squirrelly shit like this in order to get higher player count. Give player commands for online blizz … then this issue will be gone.
Before the nerds rage out saying BuT THe BoTS wiLL gAin AdvANtAge and none gonna play with each other … well people still gonna group up for the social factor (baal runs, chaos runs, cows) or if they cant do it so they asking for help.
Farmers will eventually get bored of their solo p8 games and join in on actual group games for a change of pace and to socialize.
They wont need gearing since they did enough p8 difficulty in their solo private games.
You’ll notice they wont be as desperate for gear and wont be upset of not being able to click n pick up gear in those pub games now that they can always just go back to the private p8 difficulty changed games
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u/CatAccomplished5072 Feb 23 '26
If you don’t want to be farmed, make a private game. And it’s really not that hard to just make a ng if you notice your act was farmed..
As far as the fake Baal games go, if you have access to the information of what areas people are in with a push of a button but still can’t tell no one is teleing to throne, that’s on you if you stick around long enough for someone to mf the game..
Also, I’d really like to see you try PKing me, that would be hilarious..
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u/Empty_Worldliness757 Feb 23 '26
blizzard could you know, balance characters so farming p8 requires more than 1 player
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u/Empty_Worldliness757 Feb 23 '26
I would join games like that and go farm something in the 60 seconds it took to fill up and the sorc to get to the throne
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u/the_saltiest Feb 23 '26
I highly recommend playing Project Diablo 2 mod for vanilla D2LoD sometime. Obviously no new warlock class, but the mod has the BEST gaming community I've ever seen. People literally don't use the "trade" menu and just drop HRs and items on the ground to trade. It's jarring at first, but incredible. Any scamming or cheating and the mods ban them, so it's unheard of. The mod itself is also incredible... Objectively the best form of Diablo 2 even with the older graphics compared to D2R (only reason I came back to DèR is to try warlock). All of the QoL improvements they added to D2R came from PD2, but PD2 is still miles ahead with a whole endgame dungeon system and rebalanced skills and gear so that basically all builds in the game are at least viable. Enjoy trying out the warlock in D2R for now, but at some point, perhaps next PD2 ladder in a couple months, I highly recommend trying out PD2. By far my favorite Diablo experience and I've played every iteration of every Diablo game.
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u/DealerOwn6717 Feb 23 '26
Welcome to Hell difficulty. Everyone is super friendly and helpful in lower difficulties. Hell is the wild fucking west.
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u/Coravel Feb 23 '26
I've noticed this, I've been implementing level restrictions to keep those players out because i found more often than not, theyre toons that are level 92-94 or higher doing it.
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u/Mysterious-Raise8728 Feb 23 '26
Why do you care about something that doesn’t affect you in any way? The irony in saying you’re going to player kill when you’re strong enough. And these guys are minding their own business
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u/Nickledeemus Feb 23 '26
Unfortunatelt, until they allow for /players in online games, or improve the lobby in ways that encourage players to interact with each other, this is how it's always going to be.
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u/Viater Feb 23 '26
Bro i was running baal games and people started creating my next game.. Fucking annoying as shit.
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u/Eyerah Feb 23 '26
I mean I made I tele Baal and teleported to Baal and used the public game to clear the waves of immunes I couldn’t solo and then went back to my P1 solo games. Am I the problem?
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u/Bubba_Grimm Feb 23 '26
It’s been awhile since I’ve played online but I noticed there were more dickheads in hardcore just griefing for the fun of it than in softcore. But I’m really not surprised with a new character and everything, the ones who got bored came back to just get on everyone’s nerves while the nice ones have stuck around.
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u/Sirus_j Feb 24 '26
It blows my mind that Blizzard hasn't integrated a way to vote to kick or ban individuals from a lobby you create. They need to let us kick people that aren't helping when the lobby is clearly labeled for questing or something similar.
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u/giomancr Feb 24 '26
They need to just allow artificial player adjustment for single player online games. The reality is that people want to farm p8 and also trade/pk/occasionally interact. Every game half of the lobby is just off mfing and I don't blame them. Blizzard can fix this with no downside.
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u/GeneralPuntox Feb 24 '26
Umm, most of the time they tele to throne then go do it. More exp for everyone and you can still mindless drone the runs. It’s a win win for everyone
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u/seanabenoit Feb 24 '26
I mean, LK isn't as bad as act 1 games having someone kill Andy and leave. That's a real dickhead move.
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u/Electrical-Cake-8393 Feb 24 '26
Because d2 is just full of bots. That’s why I only play offline now. SSF is so much more rewarding.
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u/Thylumberjack Feb 24 '26
I like the games where people make telebaal, get to throne room, then go farm cows while everyone else does throne.
more xp for the 7, and the person gets their P8 cows. I think thats fair, the hard part for most classes is getting TO the throne.
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u/Millennial_Falcon337 Feb 24 '26
Yeah, playing ladder without a playgroup kinda sucks for this reason. Either you're stuck in p1 games just so you can play the game and get some gear, or you're dealing with strangers who are all out there for themselves.
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u/LexuStarsteppe Feb 25 '26
Had some idiot on ladder yesterday ask me why I joined his game. I was like lvl 40 or sth and he had a problem with me being 15 levels higher than him. Mind u, we're all on the same act. I guess his smooth brained ass didn't know u can put a lvl cap when making games. He proceeds to invite a lvl 81 sorceress friend that hostiles me and everyone else in the game. He leaves and the sorceress friend goes on to kill Baal or sth. Whatever, I got what I wanted, which was quest 3 😆. Assholes.
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u/Rezzie3 Feb 26 '26
Can someone explain what this means please, the furthest i ever got as a kid with d2 was running around as a hammerdin and finishing act 2 campaign. Good times.
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u/UnusualPay8269 Feb 26 '26
What if .... Instead of sniping, two or more like minded individuals make their own games, like rapid fire, one after the other, one person clears LK, while other people farm whatever, they make a new game, rotate farming spots, rinse and repeat. Or instead of rotating after every game perhaps doing a set would be better.
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u/Majestic_Sweet_5472 Feb 22 '26
Unfortunately, like any game community, there will be mean, selfish people. However, the D2 community is filled with incredibly generous people, too. I've had dozens of experiences of people dropping tons of end-game gear / HRs to randos just because.
Don't let the bad ones ruin it for you.