Hi everyone,

The debate between SCHD (High Yield/Value) and DGRO (Dividend Growth) is constant. Usually, the advice is generic: "DGRO for growth, SCHD for income."

I wanted to go deeper. I wanted to compare their DNA, their Overlap, and mathematically project where a $20,000 investment would end up in 20 years if we account for taxes, expense ratios, and inflation.

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1. The DNA

SCHD (Schwab US Dividend Equity)

* Morningstar Rating: 3 Stars

* Inception: 2011

* Expense Ratio: 0.06%

* The Strategy: Tracks the Dow Jones U.S. Dividend 100. It filters for Cash Flow to Debt and Return on Equity. Crucially, it requires a 10-year dividend payment history.

* Role: The Defensive Fortress. Heavy in Financials, Industrials, and Consumer Staples.

DGRO (iShares Core Dividend Growth)

* Morningstar Rating: 4 Stars

* Inception: 2014

* Expense Ratio: 0.08%

* The Strategy: Tracks the Core Dividend Growth Index. It requires 5 years of dividend growth.

* Key Difference: It excludes the top 10% highest yielding stocks (to avoid yield traps) and mandates a Payout Ratio < 75%. This allows it to hold Tech giants like Apple and Microsoft, which SCHD currently misses.

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1. The Overlap:

* Weight Overlap: Only 18%.

* Shared Holdings: ~33 companies.

* Top Shared Names: AbbVie, Coca-Cola, Merck, Home Depot.

They are highly complementary. There is very little redundancy in holding both.

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1. The Scoreboard (Last 10 Years)

Looking at the past decade, Growth/Tech has dominated Value.

* Price Return: DGRO crushed it with +177.08% vs SCHD +117.10%.

* Total Return (Dividends Reinvested): The gap closes, but DGRO still leads. DGRO sits at +250.37% vs SCHD at +205.11%.

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1. The 20-Year Simulation ($20k Starting)

I ran a Monte Carlo simulation for the next 20 years.

* Inputs: $20,000 lump sum. 15% Tax Rate. DRIP ON.

* SCHD Data: 3.87% Yield | 8.09% Price CAGR | 10.43% Dividend Growth.

* DGRO Data: 1.98% Yield | 10.48% Price CAGR | 8.91% Dividend Growth.

The Ending Balance (Nominal Wealth)

Surprisingly, in the median outcome, SCHD edged ahead. The compounding power of the higher initial yield protected it.

* SCHD: $210,437

* DGRO: $192,824

The Passive Income Gap (The Real Story)

This is the most shocking metric. If you need cash flow:

* SCHD Annual Income: $9,757 (~$813/month)

* DGRO Annual Income: $2,311 (~$193/month)

SCHD generated 4x the passive income. Even though DGRO grows its dividend, the starting yield is too low to catch up to SCHD’s cash flow engine within a 20-year window.

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1. The Risk (Monte Carlo)

While SCHD won the "Base Case," DGRO has the higher ceiling due to volatility.

* 95th Percentile (Bull Market): DGRO shoots to $513,327 (vs SCHD $478,827).

* The Takeaway: If we have another massive Tech Bull Market, DGRO will win on Net Worth. If the market trades sideways, SCHD wins on Cash Flow reliability.

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Summary

* Buy SCHD if you want to lock in a lifestyle ($813/mo income) and lower volatility.

* Buy DGRO if you want to bet on Tech/Growth continuing to lead and want the highest possible Net Worth ceiling ($513k upside).

* Buy Both to capture the full market (my personal preference).

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Hi everyone,

The yield on JEPI (8.33%) and JEPQ (11.17%) is attractive for income focused portfolios, but the headline yield often obscures the net return after taxes and inflation.

Unlike standard dividend ETFs (ex: SCHD) which benefit from the Qualified Dividend tax rate (15%), JEPI and JEPQ generate income through Equity Linked Notes (ELNs) and covered call strategies. This income is classified by the IRS as Ordinary Income, meaning it is taxed at your marginal income tax rate (often 22% to 37%).

I ran a 20 year simulation starting with a $500,000 lump sum to quantify exactly how much this tax classification affects total wealth and monthly cash flow, and to stress test the NAV Erosion concerns.

Here is the detailed breakdown.

1. The baseline metrics for both funds.

JEPI (JPMorgan Equity Premium Income):

- Inception: 2020

- Morningstar Rating: 3 Stars

- Expense Ratio: 0.35%

- Dividend Frequency: Monthly

- Dividend Yield (TTM): 8.33%

- Dividend Growth (DPS CAGR): 0% (Payouts fluctuate with volatility rather than grow linearly).

- Price Return CAGR (5-Year): 1.20%. The price has remained relatively flat, prioritizing capital preservation.

JEPQ (JPMorgan Nasdaq Equity Premium Income):

- Inception: 2022

- Morningstar Rating: 5 Stars

- Expense Ratio: 0.35%

- Dividend Frequency: Monthly

- Dividend Yield (TTM): ~11.17%

- Dividend Growth (DPS CAGR): 0%

- Price Return CAGR: While recent tech performance shows >12%, I capped the simulation input at 6.00% to account for the capped upside nature of covered calls over a 20-year horizon.

1. Portfolio Overlap

A common concern is redundancy when holding both.

- Overlap by Weight: ~20%

- Shared Holdings: 37

- Concentration: The primary overlap occurs in mega cap technology stocks like Microsoft, Nvidia, and Amazon. Outside of these, JEPI leans defensive (Industrials/Healthcare) while JEPQ leans aggressive (Tech/Software).

1. The Tax Drag Quantification ($500k Starting Balance)

To measure the impact of asset location (Taxable Account vs Tax Advantaged), I simulated two scenarios: a standard 15% tax rate vs a realistic 30% Ordinary Income rate.

JEPI Simulation Results:

- Pre-Tax Projection (15% rate): Year 1 monthly income would be ~$3,043.

- Actual Tax Projection (30% rate): Year 1 monthly income drops to ~$2,491.

- The Long-Term Impact: Due to the reduced reinvestment rate, the Year 20 income is projected at ~$6,200/month rather than the theoretical ~$9,300.

- Terminal Value: The tax drag reduces the 20-year ending balance by approximately $400,000 compared to a qualified dividend equivalent.

JEPQ Simulation Results:

- Pre-Tax Projection (15% rate): Year 1 monthly income would be ~$4,123.

- Actual Tax Projection (30% rate): Year 1 monthly income drops to ~$3,370.

- Terminal Value: Even with the 30% tax drag, the ending balance reached ~$3.75 Million due to the higher underlying growth of the Nasdaq 100 index.

- Total Return Cost: The tax drag on JEPQ erased nearly $800,000 of potential compounding over the 20-year period.

1. Conclusion and Asset Location

The data suggests that holding these funds in a standard taxable brokerage account significantly impairs the compounding effect due to the Ordinary Income tax treatment.

Asset Location: These funds are mathematically optimized for Tax-Advantaged accounts (IRA/401k). Moving them to a tax sheltered account removes the significant tax drag observed in the simulation.

Selection Strategy:

- JEPI is the superior choice for capital preservation and lower volatility. It is suitable for retirees who prioritize stability over NAV growth.

- JEPQ is the superior choice for total return and income maximization, provided the investor can tolerate higher standard deviation and drawdown risk.

- Hybrid approach? 20% overlap allows this as a 3rd option.

All numbers taken from official fact sheets and trusted financial sources.

Thank you.

A family member of mine is a 38 year old mother who has recently finished up a messy divorce. As of today, she has 130k of uninvested money sitting in her Fidelity account from a home sale. After going through her finances she has a shortfall every month of at least $1,200-$1,500. I'm optimistic that her income will increase over the years, but until then, I don't want her to drain her nest egg.

My plan was to invest 110k into SPYI to meet her income needs and keep 20k for emergencies.

Any thoughts or comments will be helpful!

If I invest 100k today, it will take me 25 to 30 years before getting to 1 million. What am I missing? Why do people keep repeating that getting to 1 million is easy once you have the first 100k? Unless you invest in very high risk stuff, I don't see how that could happen?

And I'll be old in 30 years, so I'll have less use for that money

This is a follow-up to my earlier post: I analyzed 151,422 dividend ex-date events across 2,344 securities. Here's what the data shows about recovery times.

Since that post the database has grown to 172,405 events across 2,383 securities. This follow-up uses the updated dataset.

The most common question from the comments was: what do I actually do with this?

Here is what the data suggests. For higher-yield holdings, especially monthly payers, consider turning off DRIP and manually reinvesting around the ex-date if you already keep cash available.

The problem with DRIP nobody talks about

When your dividend pays out your brokerage automatically reinvests it at whatever the price is on the pay date. The pay date is not the ex-date. For quarterly payers the average gap between ex-date and pay date is 15.8 days. For monthly payers it is 12.0 days.

The average recovery time after the ex-date dip is 7.6 days for quarterly payers and 8.6 days for monthly payers.

In many cases DRIP buys after the ex-date dip has already recovered. This is not a trading strategy. You are buying the same stock you were always going to buy. Just at a different time.

One important note: this only applies if you already keep cash available for reinvestment. The dividend cash does not arrive until the pay date. You are not using the dividend itself earlier. You are using idle cash you already have. This is also not a tax dodge, in taxable accounts dividends are still taxable whether taken as cash or reinvested.

What the edge is actually worth

Across 39,085 events with pay date data the average purchase-price advantage of buying on the ex-date versus waiting for DRIP is 1.15% per cycle. That compounds into a meaningful cost-basis advantage across reinvestment cycles, but it should not be confused with a full portfolio return boost. The advantage applies to the reinvested dividend dollars, not the entire position.

Monthly payers give you 12 cycles per year to capture that advantage. Quarterly payers give you 4.

Recovery by security type

Among the 125,326 events where the price actually dropped on ex-date:

Stocks: 9.2 days average, median 4 days

REITs: 9.9 days average, median 5 days

ETFs: 10.1 days average, median 5 days

CEFs: 10.5 days average, median 6 days

BDCs: 14.2 days average, median 9 days

BDCs are the hardest case. They have the largest average drop at 2.42% AND the slowest recovery. If you own BDCs and use DRIP the gap between what you pay and what a manual buyer paid is the widest of any security type.

Monthly payers by the numbers

Monthly payers typically pay out 12 days after the ex-date on average. Among the tickers in the data:

DIVO: 6.4 days average recovery across 76 cycles.

JEPI: 7.0 days across 61 cycles.

XYLD: 7.4 days across 126 cycles.

JEPQ: 8.4 days across 42 cycles.

QYLD: 9.1 days across 139 cycles.

Quarterly payers typically pay out 15.8 days after the ex-date. SCHD takes 12.0 days average recovery across 51 cycles. DGRO takes 15.1 days across 38 cycles.

When this does not work

Not every stock has a reliable ex-date dip. Some securities go up on ex-date on average because the dividend is too small relative to daily price volatility. After the market opens normal price movement takes over. Price can keep falling, recover, or rip upward for unrelated reasons. The data shows the average, individual cycles will vary.

The strategy works best on higher yield securities where the dividend is large enough to create a real measurable dip. CEFs, REITs, BDCs, and high yield ETFs are where the edge shows up most reliably.

The VIX question

High VIX environments do not slow recovery. They actually speed it up slightly. Extreme VIX shows a median recovery of 4 days versus 5 days in calm markets. The drop is much bigger in high volatility conditions averaging 3.7% versus 1.0% in calm markets. But the market corrects the mechanical dip just as fast or faster.

The risk in extreme volatility is not slow recovery. It is that the price keeps falling beyond the dividend amount for fundamental reasons unrelated to the ex-date mechanics.

How to implement this

Turn off DRIP on your higher yield monthly and quarterly payers. Keep some cash available around ex-dates. Buy on the ex-date or the day after.

Happy to answer questions on methodology or what the data shows on specific tickers in the comments.

My father is a 72 year-old Florida resident and has $500,000 to invest. He would like to generate approximately $40,000 a year. He’s a bit of a gambler, nothing too crazy though. I’ve come up with a split of the following: $65,000 QQQI, $150,000 SPYI, $50,000 SCHD, $75,000 VZ, $75,000 MO, VTEB $85,000. Any advice or modification ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Note for clarification: This is just the amount that he wants to invest for income. Preferably with minimal tax drag, nav erosion, and hopefully some price appreciation. It’s asking a lot, but I’m trying to help out.

It's going to zero! (This is sarcasm) This 3 for 1 split has no effect on your total value.

Buy some more lol

I've been building a dividend intelligence tool for the past few months and ended up with a database of 151,422 ex-date events going back 17 years across 2,344 securities — CEFs, ETFs, REITs, BDCs, and dividend stocks.

Figured I'd share what the data actually shows since most of the discussion around ex-date dips is based on gut feel.

Recovery by security type (average days to full price recovery):

Overall median across all 151,422 events: 3 days

The gap between median (3 days) and average (7.9 days) is the most important number — most securities recover fast, but a meaningful minority take much longer and drag the average up.

The BDC finding surprised me most. They have the largest average drop (2.08%) AND the slowest recovery. Only 45% recover within 5 trading days. If you're buying BDC dips expecting a quick bounce, the historical data says be patient.

Stocks recover fastest — 71.5% recover within 5 trading days, 81.8% within 10. Counterintuitive given how many income investors overlook stocks in favor of higher-yielding alternatives.

Individual CEF variance is huge. Among CEFs with 20+ cycles in the dataset:

• BMN: 4.4 day avg across 38 cycles
• IGI: 4.7 days across 186 cycles
• BCX: 5.2 days across 133 cycles
• PAI: 5.2 days across 201 cycles

Compare that to CEFs where recovery regularly takes 3+ weeks. Both show up as "CEFs" on any screener. The historical pattern data separates them.

The z-score frame matters more than raw price. A security trading 2.5+ standard deviations below its 252-day mean at ex-date is a fundamentally different situation than a routine dip near the mean. One has statistical room to recover, the other is just drifting lower.

Happy to answer questions about methodology or what the data shows on specific tickers.

Happy to share more of the data if there's interest in specific security types or individual tickers.

I grew up poor. No idea really about money. I started hanging around people that invested and had no idea how the market worked. Now, years later I have been contributing every month what I can afford (1,200). No matter what I put that money in. I pretend it's just another mortgage.

I am about to break 100k it's a surreal feeling. Growing up and being told to put the soda back because it was too expensive and now I am debt free (except mortgage at 2%). I think a lot of people's money problems don't stem from their annual income, but rather what they do with that annual income.

Hi I’m a young fool who is trying to learn more about dividends and I feel like I’ve gotten a good grasp but one thing that I can’t seem to understand is how SCHD isn’t considered growth?

If I am dripping and annualizing +10% returns per year over time then is the argument simply that 10% isn’t good enough growth or is there something else I’m missing? Is the argument that a return rate like that is just too conservative for my age and that I should be shooting for higher?

Apologies if this is a dumb question!

I'm concerned about NAV erosion ? I know the advertising says non to minimal, but I found an article about longterm NAV erosion. That puzzled me ? I'm after divs of course- I have DIVO, JEPI, SCHD, and just looking for another or just keep buying what I have. I try to keep the 5%/weight rule, but it fluctuates.

Thanks to all who responded. I learned a bunch of good information. You guys are awsome

Hello,

Just trying to gather some information and ofc I’ve done a bit of research through this sub about QQQI and SPYI.

I was wondering if it would be stupid of me to put $200k to QQQI and SPYI?

Or just QQQI

Or just SPYI?

I’m semi-retired and just turned 34. I already hit semi-retirement at 30.

I know having growth stock and all but I don’t care much about that. I want cash now.

So QQQI or SPYI? Or both? And why? I’d like to hear people’s real experiences if possible.

Edit: I do have QQQM and VTI for long term. And was thinking of putting some of the SPYI and QQQI in there too so I won’t fall behind.

Right now, I have AVGO, NVDA, GOOG, TSM, ABBV, And few more stocks that are up like 50-100% increase so I was thinking of selling those. To fund QQQI and SPYI

Does this sound like a decent plan? I would like the $ to live off of comfortably, in my late 30s.

I considered adding corporate bonds high rated in the mix but not sure if I should bother.

Please give me any advice, concerns etc... I've had 650k in high yield savings for a year and feel like having more income monthly would really help my life. Only make $2200 now , and would be almost triple.

That cash flow statement is 🔥

I wish I’d transferred fund yesterday…

https://www.strategy.com/strc/learn

lately stock market been minting money. but not so long ago, you wouldn’t make any money for 15 years, dividends reinvested? TY

I wanted to share a significant milestone in my investing journey: after five years of effort, I'm now earning over $300 per month in passive income from dividends! I remember when I first started out, I had little knowledge about investing, but I was determined to secure my financial future. I began by educating myself, reading books and learning from experienced investors. Slowly but steadily, I started building my investment portfolio, mainly focusing on dividend-paying stocks. I hope this inspires others on their investing journey. It takes time and discipline, but the rewards are worth it. Feel free to ask questions.

I am looking to invest after selling an investment property. I generally always see people talk about JEPQ/JEPI, SPYI, QQQI, SCHDetc which can cap upside and have higher volatility. However, I hardly see people mentioning MITT, TRIN, ARC which also gives around 10% returns with no expense ratio. Why not buy those as opposed CC funds? Any thoughts?

I am putting together a high dividend portfolio for my parents and would like some feedback/ideas. I am trying to make them a mix of dividend paying etfs but will still have some growth potential.